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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On April 16 2015 18:27 Tubesock wrote: Patterns. Town will read this and figure out what I'm trying to say. Go ahead and dismiss it. But i am town? Is this you CC'ing me? im really fucking confused. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On April 16 2015 18:29 Breshke wrote: Yeah i get im dumb and made a bad play so i need to think but have you read trefels post explaining why the vet would 100% claim. I dont see why you would pursue something that literally is a waste of your time. Also that post is not about actions i did the only thing you mention i did is say i wouldnt vote stutters without explaining how that is scummy. The rest you seem to scumread me for what the fact that onegu voted me? Also that iw as in HTS "look into list" which you were also in. If you are saying that is motivation for me to NK her wouldnt you have the same exact motivation? I did read his post about the vet and I disagree. I already said that. I don't see why you would tell someone who is trying to figure out the game that they are wasting their time. I'm one person. Town will decide. I'm going to push my thoughts and reasonings. I think the others will either disagree or not and we will talk about it. It's pretty simple. I said you could be town. Not a lot else to talk about here. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On April 16 2015 18:31 Breshke wrote: But i am town? Is this you CC'ing me? im really fucking confused. I am not CCing. If I were there would be no question and it would be at my choosing. Not my scumreads. | ||
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Bourneq
Sweden800 Posts
I am vanilla town. So the claims are problably legit. Secondly, the evidence against prplhz has mounted up for quite a while now. ##Vote prplhz I am very confident that he will flip scum. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 16 2015 18:01 Tubesock wrote: Just dropping in to say that this says nothing. Assuming that Tubesock's scum team (me, Breshke, and Bourneq) is correct:I think I know what's going on. While I think I'm right, I will acknowledge I was wrong on TheBloodyDwarf. I don't always get all the scum, but I at least get two. Anyway, what I'm thinking. Soren333 was widely towned. Others too probably but I think he was the most towned. In his filter he scummed TheBloodyDwarf, Onegu, Prplhz, Slotspot, and Bourneq. Holyflare subs in. So, doubly obvious night kill. Half the Sky was also widely towned. Trfel and many others of you already agreed she was the obvious night kill. What were her big things? Big case on Onegu. Who was under suspicion? Breshke. Who was scumread? Bourneq. Plotspot. Here's Half the Sky's assessment of Onegu's vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=61#1220 I also think that Onegu's vote on Breshke was a joke. He didn't say hardly anything about it (typical Onegu behavior though) and then came in calling us idiots for not being on the "scumclaim". I asked him where his vote was and then "oh "forgot" ##Vote:  lotspot. I think he was obviously looking to change his vote, that vote wasn't serious at all.Patterns.... TheBloodyDwarf Stutters695 while vigi shot, there is still information. It's not as solid or anything, but things of note. He scummed Breshke. Trfel also said Stuters695 was on his most suspicious list before Stutters died. Breshke last words about Stutters while alive were "I can't vote him now but I hope I don't regret it." then votes The Shining. I'll have individual cases on the three as well tomorrow. We have time to talk about it. First. Replacements don't necessarily copy the reads of the player they replaced, since that simply doesn't work. Holyflare had no reads. Second, Half the Sky was townreading me. She made a case on me at one point, and was then townreading me. I would have no reason to get rid of her except purely for her influence and scumhunting. Furthermore, her strongest scumread was prplhz, who you are saying is town here. Was this the mafia team you are suggesting, I would kill rsoultin, who was townreading prplhz. Third, Bourneq is a strange situation (assuming he is scum). I don't think there is anyone who isn't willing to lynch him at this point, it's just risky since he is hard to read. You simply can't protect him through night kills, the way you protect him is being more vocal and making other people appear scummier, so they get lynched instead. Fourth, me having Stutters695 as suspicious when he died makes me scum why? Because I was wrong? You don't have any reasons why I am scum. All you have is a misrepresented explanation that portrays events to fit a preconceived notion, which still doesn't suggest that I am scum. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Breshke Trfel rsoultin prplhz jarjarbinks Bourneq The Shining Tubesock This means that three of the following are mafia: rsoultin, prplhz, jarjarbinks, Bourneq, and Tubesock The problem arises in that I found reason to townread four of these (all except Bourneq), and reason to not lynch Bourneq. My initial suspicion is that jarjarbinks is mafia here. He tricked rsoultin and I last game. Here, he started off very strong, but I get the feeling that his play has fallen off significantly. I know that rsoultin says this isn't alignment indicative, but it still seems suspicious to me. Furthermore, that jarjarbinks post that I mentioned does look suspicious, as he is doing analysis without conclusion (analysis that can't lead to a conclusion, which he did last game as mafia) and bothered to justify his analysis (what motivation would have have to lie?). I still lean towards rsoultin being town. While her play hasn't been at the highest possible level, it's definitely within her town range. I need to take a close look at her filter, but I expect her to be town here. Tubesock is difficult. I could easily see him being mafia here except for his two crazy theories (first for TheBloodyDwarf being godfather, second for me, Breshke, and Bourneq being the scum team). I'm not sure if he is capable of this as mafia. However, I notice that his second crazy theory was posted after the claims, thus after he started getting suspected. Prplhz is looking more and more suspicious with time. I have yet to check his meta, but it is easier for more experienced players to seem impressive in a newbie game. This could help explain prplhz as scum. I'll take a guess for now that the mafia team is jarjarbinks, prplhz, and Bourneq. I probably won't get a chance to check this until this evening at earliest, though I'll try my best to keep up with the thread (you guys are interesting, and funny!). | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Assuming that Tubesock is mafia, with regards to his TheBloodyDwarf godfather theory: Something would have to prompt him. Perhaps he is the godfather himself, or perhaps someone else was the godfather and had a discussion about playing to a cop check. The problem is that mafia knows the setup, and knows that there is no cop in this game. Thus, in all likelihood, the godfather sees their role and then sees the setup and knows that they are effectively a mafia goon. And they wouldn't even get to the point of thinking about how to play for a cop check. Furthermore, Tubesock hasn't ever played mafia before. It would be very impressive for him to be able to do this in his first game as mafia. I need to check again to see how his play is outside of these two main theories, but for now, I don't really think he is mafia. On an unrelated note, I don't think that rsoultin still being alive says much about jarjarbinks's alignment. Last game, jarjarbinks's desire to remain hidden helped lead him to kill rsoultin on Night 1 (though, that was the correct kill regardless). However, that was a 9 player game, thus there were only two mafia, and the other one was a lurker. This game has three mafia, and so killing jarjarbinks's sister isn't necessarily a priority for scum here. I would definitely see mafia killing Holyflare here no matter what, and I can easily see mafia killing Half the Sky over rsoultin, especially knowing that Breshke is scumreading rsoultin. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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prplhz
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 17 2015 00:46 prplhz wrote: Now that the veteran has claimed, this argument is basically nullified. Since mafia would just leave the veteran alive until the end of the game.unless, there was some crap about us getting another lynch if we lynch roleblocker? i guess we have 33% chance of hitting him if we lynch jjb/bourneq and then you guys can lynch me all you want | ||
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Trfel
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
talk to breshke shining tube about me. | ||
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prplhz
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On April 17 2015 01:10 prplhz wrote: Of course that's a possibility.like if i say "this and that makes me town" aren't you just going to say "HAH! that's just something you did so that later you could say 'this and that makes me town'"? It would just be nice to see the reasons why you say you are town so I can see how they compare with my reasons, and plus it could save me some time. But it's not a big deal if you don't want to share, I understand why. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 17 2015 01:16 Trfel wrote: Of course that's a possibility. It would just be nice to see the reasons why you say you are town so I can see how they compare with my reasons, and plus it could save me some time. But it's not a big deal if you don't want to share, I understand why. alright. well game's on your shoulders. just curious what exactly do you gain from comparing any reasons i would have with your own? | ||
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prplhz
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I'll probably have to take a detailed look at your filter and meta very soon anyway. | ||
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prplhz
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prplhz
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