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On April 16 2015 15:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 15:32 The Shining wrote:On April 16 2015 15:28 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2015 15:21 The Shining wrote:
Instead, how about you come back to the thread after more of the read throughs on that list are done and we can talk about who is scum to you on that list?
RSo, it's a good point that he'd try to avoid you if he couldn't in fact get the NK on you but...I still...don't understand...why JJB...voted Prpl...my brain hurts. I don't really think they can be scum together.
So I started looking at Prpl's town games VS scum games. His posts are a lot bigger in his scum games. That's off of initial skim through. I'm going to continue diving his old games for meta but his comment on wanting to no lynch in Debauchery made me think he could possibly be a frustrated town at this point, pissed off no other townie is putting in any work and getting disheartened. And the more games I skim through, the more I'm seeing it as a viable possibility.
In that world, I could see town!Prpl pushing RSo this hard believing in his scum read.
Trfel also isn't convinced we've even had a scum up for a wagon yet. If I'm to believe that's true, your world actually makes sense.
Tube/JJB/Bourne/Prpl. Bourne starts the ML on Dwarf. JJB makes sure to stay off of it. Tube gets on the Dwarf wagon somewhat early to try and avoid suspicion. Prpl is town, which is why JJB has no problem AFKing that vote. eh, could be a buss? especially with tube and bourne on dwarf, since one of them has to be scum? i mean i get why it's so nice and shiny to say that someone voting for someone else means they can't be scum together lol >< but that's really not the best logic regardless, it's late :/ i don't know how much further i'm going to get eliminating one of those names until i actually do those filter-dives gnite? It's a really dangerous bus and that's why I'm asking you of all people. Do you think JJB is capable of AFKing a bus vote at EoD? With Tube and Bourne on Dwarf and one of them "have to" be scum, isn't it also possible they're both in fact scum? JJB did mention that Bourne is pretty absent from Tube's filter. I'll have to double check that as well. Still reading Prpl's town games and I'm getting a really queasy feeling that he fits his town meta this game. Yeah, this is goodnight for now. I'm off to smoke and then come back and do some re-reading. Unless JJB or Prpl want to talk about anything? lol you're asking me if it's possible jjb busses? xP
I'm asking you if you think he's confident enough to AFK a bus vote. I think he's much more confident as scum AFKing a vote on the other town in a town v town situation.
Or he's town and AFKd his vote just cuz and it's all for naught.
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On April 16 2015 15:40 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 15:31 prplhz wrote:On April 16 2015 15:19 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2015 15:11 prplhz wrote:
yea jjb can't get me to accept a kill on you hahahahaha come on lol you act like how you're acting in the thread would translate to a scum qt xP i'd been townreading/defending you and voted in part to save your ass day 2, so why would you want to nk me if you're scum? if you're town, pull your head out your ass ^^ please and thank you if you're town i apologize but i can't believe that  Want to take a crack at explaining her scum motivation for moving off of my lynch after I softed blue? That lynch would easily have been blamed on Trfel and Breshke literally yelling at the thread to lynch me, not her.
maybe she thought you'd shoot a townie in the FACE
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or she thought the lynch wasn't going to happen because you were going to claim and she didn't want to counter claim i mean i don't know
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On April 16 2015 15:42 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 15:38 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2015 15:32 The Shining wrote:On April 16 2015 15:28 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2015 15:21 The Shining wrote:
Instead, how about you come back to the thread after more of the read throughs on that list are done and we can talk about who is scum to you on that list?
RSo, it's a good point that he'd try to avoid you if he couldn't in fact get the NK on you but...I still...don't understand...why JJB...voted Prpl...my brain hurts. I don't really think they can be scum together.
So I started looking at Prpl's town games VS scum games. His posts are a lot bigger in his scum games. That's off of initial skim through. I'm going to continue diving his old games for meta but his comment on wanting to no lynch in Debauchery made me think he could possibly be a frustrated town at this point, pissed off no other townie is putting in any work and getting disheartened. And the more games I skim through, the more I'm seeing it as a viable possibility.
In that world, I could see town!Prpl pushing RSo this hard believing in his scum read.
Trfel also isn't convinced we've even had a scum up for a wagon yet. If I'm to believe that's true, your world actually makes sense.
Tube/JJB/Bourne/Prpl. Bourne starts the ML on Dwarf. JJB makes sure to stay off of it. Tube gets on the Dwarf wagon somewhat early to try and avoid suspicion. Prpl is town, which is why JJB has no problem AFKing that vote. eh, could be a buss? especially with tube and bourne on dwarf, since one of them has to be scum? i mean i get why it's so nice and shiny to say that someone voting for someone else means they can't be scum together lol >< but that's really not the best logic regardless, it's late :/ i don't know how much further i'm going to get eliminating one of those names until i actually do those filter-dives gnite? It's a really dangerous bus and that's why I'm asking you of all people. Do you think JJB is capable of AFKing a bus vote at EoD? With Tube and Bourne on Dwarf and one of them "have to" be scum, isn't it also possible they're both in fact scum? JJB did mention that Bourne is pretty absent from Tube's filter. I'll have to double check that as well. Still reading Prpl's town games and I'm getting a really queasy feeling that he fits his town meta this game. Yeah, this is goodnight for now. I'm off to smoke and then come back and do some re-reading. Unless JJB or Prpl want to talk about anything? lol you're asking me if it's possible jjb busses? xP I'm asking you if you think he's confident enough to AFK a bus vote. I think he's much more confident as scum AFKing a vote on the other town in a town v town situation. Or he's town and AFKd his vote just cuz and it's all for naught.
mmm
the others up for lynch at the time were who, bourneq and dwarf? most likely not, then, unless bourneq is like the rb or something and voting dwarf would draw too much negative attention when he was already afking :/ but without rechecking filters no, i don't think that's likely
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But then that brings me back to Prpl being scum. When I explained that scum!Prp would vote you hoping town!Bresh would vote as well and scum would come and scoop in, you said that didn't happen. And you're right. It didn't. Bresh fake claimed Vig instead.
So I'm still stuck wondering if scum!Prp is ballsy enough to push one of the stronger town players in the game. Or if my progressing meta read and doubts on him are right, after all, and D2 ended in town v town.
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On April 16 2015 15:45 prplhz wrote:
or she thought the lynch wasn't going to happen because you were going to claim and she didn't want to counter claim i mean i don't know
okay let's walk this one out, prp, shall we?
assuming you're town, and assuming that shining's vig claim is real which we have no reason to believe otherwise xP
i noticed and 1) instantly removed my vote and 2) did not nk him
if i was concerned about his claim as scum
the other two wagons were town xP since obviously you're town, right?
if i'd kept my vote on him as scum and pushed for his lynch, either we'd lynch who i thought was a blue, or he'd claim and me and my scum team could kill him at our leisure ^^, and still get a town lynch in the process
but you think that i was scared of his claim? lolol or that i'd know if he was vig over the vet?
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On April 16 2015 15:46 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 15:42 The Shining wrote:On April 16 2015 15:38 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2015 15:32 The Shining wrote:On April 16 2015 15:28 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2015 15:21 The Shining wrote:
Instead, how about you come back to the thread after more of the read throughs on that list are done and we can talk about who is scum to you on that list?
RSo, it's a good point that he'd try to avoid you if he couldn't in fact get the NK on you but...I still...don't understand...why JJB...voted Prpl...my brain hurts. I don't really think they can be scum together.
So I started looking at Prpl's town games VS scum games. His posts are a lot bigger in his scum games. That's off of initial skim through. I'm going to continue diving his old games for meta but his comment on wanting to no lynch in Debauchery made me think he could possibly be a frustrated town at this point, pissed off no other townie is putting in any work and getting disheartened. And the more games I skim through, the more I'm seeing it as a viable possibility.
In that world, I could see town!Prpl pushing RSo this hard believing in his scum read.
Trfel also isn't convinced we've even had a scum up for a wagon yet. If I'm to believe that's true, your world actually makes sense.
Tube/JJB/Bourne/Prpl. Bourne starts the ML on Dwarf. JJB makes sure to stay off of it. Tube gets on the Dwarf wagon somewhat early to try and avoid suspicion. Prpl is town, which is why JJB has no problem AFKing that vote. eh, could be a buss? especially with tube and bourne on dwarf, since one of them has to be scum? i mean i get why it's so nice and shiny to say that someone voting for someone else means they can't be scum together lol >< but that's really not the best logic regardless, it's late :/ i don't know how much further i'm going to get eliminating one of those names until i actually do those filter-dives gnite? It's a really dangerous bus and that's why I'm asking you of all people. Do you think JJB is capable of AFKing a bus vote at EoD? With Tube and Bourne on Dwarf and one of them "have to" be scum, isn't it also possible they're both in fact scum? JJB did mention that Bourne is pretty absent from Tube's filter. I'll have to double check that as well. Still reading Prpl's town games and I'm getting a really queasy feeling that he fits his town meta this game. Yeah, this is goodnight for now. I'm off to smoke and then come back and do some re-reading. Unless JJB or Prpl want to talk about anything? lol you're asking me if it's possible jjb busses? xP I'm asking you if you think he's confident enough to AFK a bus vote. I think he's much more confident as scum AFKing a vote on the other town in a town v town situation. Or he's town and AFKd his vote just cuz and it's all for naught. mmm the others up for lynch at the time were who, bourneq and dwarf? most likely not, then, unless bourneq is like the rb or something and voting dwarf would draw too much negative attention when he was already afking :/ but without rechecking filters no, i don't think that's likely
No? Was talking about D2 EoD. Lynches were me, Dwarf, Prpl before everyone came off of me. Then just Dwarf-Prpl. Prpl lone vote on Bourne.
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On April 16 2015 15:50 The Shining wrote:
But then that brings me back to Prpl being scum. When I explained that scum!Prp would vote you hoping town!Bresh would vote as well and scum would come and scoop in, you said that didn't happen. And you're right. It didn't. Bresh fake claimed Vig instead.
So I'm still stuck wondering if scum!Prp is ballsy enough to push one of the stronger town players in the game. Or if my progressing meta read and doubts on him are right, after all, and D2 ended in town v town.
that was my initial reaction? i feel like we're talking in circles ^^;
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On April 16 2015 15:54 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 15:46 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2015 15:42 The Shining wrote:On April 16 2015 15:38 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2015 15:32 The Shining wrote:On April 16 2015 15:28 rsoultin wrote:On April 16 2015 15:21 The Shining wrote:
Instead, how about you come back to the thread after more of the read throughs on that list are done and we can talk about who is scum to you on that list?
RSo, it's a good point that he'd try to avoid you if he couldn't in fact get the NK on you but...I still...don't understand...why JJB...voted Prpl...my brain hurts. I don't really think they can be scum together.
So I started looking at Prpl's town games VS scum games. His posts are a lot bigger in his scum games. That's off of initial skim through. I'm going to continue diving his old games for meta but his comment on wanting to no lynch in Debauchery made me think he could possibly be a frustrated town at this point, pissed off no other townie is putting in any work and getting disheartened. And the more games I skim through, the more I'm seeing it as a viable possibility.
In that world, I could see town!Prpl pushing RSo this hard believing in his scum read.
Trfel also isn't convinced we've even had a scum up for a wagon yet. If I'm to believe that's true, your world actually makes sense.
Tube/JJB/Bourne/Prpl. Bourne starts the ML on Dwarf. JJB makes sure to stay off of it. Tube gets on the Dwarf wagon somewhat early to try and avoid suspicion. Prpl is town, which is why JJB has no problem AFKing that vote. eh, could be a buss? especially with tube and bourne on dwarf, since one of them has to be scum? i mean i get why it's so nice and shiny to say that someone voting for someone else means they can't be scum together lol >< but that's really not the best logic regardless, it's late :/ i don't know how much further i'm going to get eliminating one of those names until i actually do those filter-dives gnite? It's a really dangerous bus and that's why I'm asking you of all people. Do you think JJB is capable of AFKing a bus vote at EoD? With Tube and Bourne on Dwarf and one of them "have to" be scum, isn't it also possible they're both in fact scum? JJB did mention that Bourne is pretty absent from Tube's filter. I'll have to double check that as well. Still reading Prpl's town games and I'm getting a really queasy feeling that he fits his town meta this game. Yeah, this is goodnight for now. I'm off to smoke and then come back and do some re-reading. Unless JJB or Prpl want to talk about anything? lol you're asking me if it's possible jjb busses? xP I'm asking you if you think he's confident enough to AFK a bus vote. I think he's much more confident as scum AFKing a vote on the other town in a town v town situation. Or he's town and AFKd his vote just cuz and it's all for naught. mmm the others up for lynch at the time were who, bourneq and dwarf? most likely not, then, unless bourneq is like the rb or something and voting dwarf would draw too much negative attention when he was already afking :/ but without rechecking filters no, i don't think that's likely No? Was talking about D2 EoD. Lynches were me, Dwarf, Prpl before everyone came off of me. Then just Dwarf-Prpl. Prpl lone vote on Bourne.
at the time he AFKd the vote xP
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meh i'm tired shining ^^; i'm kinda staying on for you
but in all honesty until i relook at everything (breshke was my sure scumread ><) there's not much more i can offer right now lol and even if i did it's 2 am and it would probably be retarded at best
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o.0 okay lol i'm out then
nite folks
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Rsoultin is right, you guys are talking in circles.
I'll say again. Rsoultin, Prplhz, and The Shining are all town.
I'm going to prove this. I'll ask you some questions but these all have a point. Just bear with me.
When mafia decide their nightkills what is the generally accepted strategy? Seems simple right? Keep It Simple Stupid. Seems like the most logical thing to do is shoot the towniest people or the most dangerous. Ones who are on the right track or most townread. Even a mixture of the two and averaged out or something. Or confirmed towns too. We don't have any of those just yet. Sort of now though.
With all our dead towns there is a distinct pattern. It adds up to a story. Yeah, some of the points don't stand alone, but added up it's shows scum motivation.
Voting analysis is useless. HA! It's not a strong a truth as dying, but it tells the story of intention. Which leads to the truth.
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On April 16 2015 17:00 Tubesock wrote:
Rsoultin is right, you guys are talking in circles.
I'll say again. Rsoultin, Prplhz, and The Shining are all town.
I'm going to prove this. I'll ask you some questions but these all have a point. Just bear with me.
When mafia decide their nightkills what is the generally accepted strategy? Seems simple right? Keep It Simple Stupid. Seems like the most logical thing to do is shoot the towniest people or the most dangerous. Ones who are on the right track or most townread. Even a mixture of the two and averaged out or something. Or confirmed towns too. We don't have any of those just yet. Sort of now though.
With all our dead towns there is a distinct pattern. It adds up to a story. Yeah, some of the points don't stand alone, but added up it's shows scum motivation.
Voting analysis is useless. HA! It's not a strong a truth as dying, but it tells the story of intention. Which leads to the truth.
I really hate this post. What are you even trying to say.
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I think I know what's going on. While I think I'm right, I will acknowledge I was wrong on TheBloodyDwarf. I don't always get all the scum, but I at least get two.
Anyway, what I'm thinking.
Soren333 was widely towned. Others too probably but I think he was the most towned. In his filter he scummed TheBloodyDwarf, Onegu, Prplhz, Slotspot, and Bourneq. Holyflare subs in. So, doubly obvious night kill.
Half the Sky was also widely towned. Trfel and many others of you already agreed she was the obvious night kill. What were her big things? Big case on Onegu. Who was under suspicion? Breshke. Who was scumread? Bourneq.
Plotspot.
On April 12 2015 06:01 LoneMeow wrote:
plotspot the Vanilla Townie is lynched!
Final vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (1): Soren333, Breshke, Tubesock, The Shining, Tubesock
Breshke (0): Onegu
The Shining (1): plotspot
Bourneq (0): prplhz
plotspot (7): Onegu, Breshke, rsoultin, prplhz, Bourneq, Soren333, Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Onegu
prplhz (0): TheBloodyDwarf
Stutters695 (4): prplhz, Tubesock, TheBloodyDwarf, Half the Sky
Here's Half the Sky's assessment of Onegu's vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=61#1220 I also think that Onegu's vote on Breshke was a joke. He didn't say hardly anything about it (typical Onegu behavior though) and then came in calling us idiots for not being on the "scumclaim". I asked him where his vote was and then "oh "forgot" ##Vote:  lotspot. I think he was obviously looking to change his vote, that vote wasn't serious at all.
Patterns....
TheBloodyDwarf
On April 15 2015 06:01 LoneMeow wrote:
TheBloodyDwarf the Vanilla Townie is lynched!
Final vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (5): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, rsoultin, Trfel
Breshke (0): rsoultin
The Shining (1): Breshke , rsoultin, Trfel , TheBloodyDwarf
Bourneq (1): prplhz
Half the Sky (0): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock
prplhz (4): Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Breshke
Stutters695 (0): Breshke
Stutters695 while vigi shot, there is still information. It's not as solid or anything, but things of note. He scummed Breshke. Trfel also said Stuters695 was on his most suspicious list before Stutters died. Breshke last words about Stutters while alive were "I can't vote him now but I hope I don't regret it." then votes The Shining.
I'll have individual cases on the three as well tomorrow. We have time to talk about it.
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On April 16 2015 18:01 Tubesock wrote:I think I know what's going on. While I think I'm right, I will acknowledge I was wrong on TheBloodyDwarf. I don't always get all the scum, but I at least get two. Anyway, what I'm thinking. Soren333 was widely towned. Others too probably but I think he was the most towned. In his filter he scummed TheBloodyDwarf, Onegu, Prplhz, Slotspot, and Bourneq. Holyflare subs in. So, doubly obvious night kill. Half the Sky was also widely towned. Trfel and many others of you already agreed she was the obvious night kill. What were her big things? Big case on Onegu. Who was under suspicion? Breshke. Who was scumread? Bourneq. Plotspot. Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 06:01 LoneMeow wrote:
plotspot the Vanilla Townie is lynched!
Final vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (1): Soren333, Breshke, Tubesock, The Shining, Tubesock
Breshke (0): Onegu
The Shining (1): plotspot
Bourneq (0): prplhz
plotspot (7): Onegu, Breshke, rsoultin, prplhz, Bourneq, Soren333, Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Onegu
prplhz (0): TheBloodyDwarf
Stutters695 (4): prplhz, Tubesock, TheBloodyDwarf, Half the Sky
Here's Half the Sky's assessment of Onegu's vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=61#1220 I also think that Onegu's vote on Breshke was a joke. He didn't say hardly anything about it (typical Onegu behavior though) and then came in calling us idiots for not being on the "scumclaim". I asked him where his vote was and then "oh "forgot" ##Vote: lotspot. I think he was obviously looking to change his vote, that vote wasn't serious at all. Patterns.... TheBloodyDwarf Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 06:01 LoneMeow wrote:
TheBloodyDwarf the Vanilla Townie is lynched!
Final vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (5): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, rsoultin, Trfel
Breshke (0): rsoultin
The Shining (1): Breshke , rsoultin, Trfel , TheBloodyDwarf
Bourneq (1): prplhz
Half the Sky (0): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock
prplhz (4): Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Breshke
Stutters695 (0): Breshke
Stutters695 while vigi shot, there is still information. It's not as solid or anything, but things of note. He scummed Breshke. Trfel also said Stuters695 was on his most suspicious list before Stutters died. Breshke last words about Stutters while alive were "I can't vote him now but I hope I don't regret it." then votes The Shining. I'll have individual cases on the three as well tomorrow. We have time to talk about it.
Okay i havnt really read this but explain who the vet is if it isn't me. The only person who hasnt had a chance to claim is bourne and both of us are red in your post so either you accept im the real vet or you think he is going to CC me in which case both of us cant be mafia
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Okay also i dont see ow you can say that I was one of HTS big things? This isn't true at all i was town for her most of the game iirc and then only changed to under review at the end. Which you were in the same category.
You also pull examples like my last words on stutters saying i cant vote him now or whatever and pull no conclusions from it.
I really really don't like this post either.
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I also don't understand why you added the vote counts into your posts they dont seem to ass anything nor do you seem to draw information from them. To me this is scummy because it is just to make your post longer and prettier.
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You could be the real vet. But I'm also considering if you are fakeclaiming the real vet may not want to claim just yet. I don't mind giving it time.
You can say what you want, but this post had nothing but facts. It's all actions YOU did.
I will admit, it is entirely possible you are town or Trfel or Bourneq is. I'm going to have the rest of my thoughts out in the morning to have as much time as possible to talk about it.
MYLO is the time for town to stop and think. Then post. THINK.
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On April 16 2015 18:21 Breshke wrote:
I also don't understand why you added the vote counts into your posts they dont seem to ass anything nor do you seem to draw information from them. To me this is scummy because it is just to make your post longer and prettier.
Patterns.
Town will read this and figure out what I'm trying to say. Go ahead and dismiss it.
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On April 16 2015 18:24 Tubesock wrote:
You could be the real vet. But I'm also considering if you are fakeclaiming the real vet may not want to claim just yet. I don't mind giving it time.
You can say what you want, but this post had nothing but facts. It's all actions YOU did.
I will admit, it is entirely possible you are town or Trfel or Bourneq is. I'm going to have the rest of my thoughts out in the morning to have as much time as possible to talk about it.
MYLO is the time for town to stop and think. Then post. THINK.
Yeah i get im dumb and made a bad play so i need to think but have you read trefels post explaining why the vet would 100% claim. I dont see why you would pursue something that literally is a waste of your time.
Also that post is not about actions i did the only thing you mention i did is say i wouldnt vote stutters without explaining how that is scummy. The rest you seem to scumread me for what the fact that onegu voted me? Also that iw as in HTS "look into list" which you were also in. If you are saying that is motivation for me to NK her wouldnt you have the same exact motivation?
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