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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 21:17 GMT
#2837
On March 21 2015 06:16 Palmar wrote:
Ok let's lynch Vivax then.

thanks. I'll promise to not shoot you tonight. That'd be too obvious anyways
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 21:24 GMT
#2872
On March 21 2015 06:22 Holyflare wrote:
So what's happening



On March 21 2015 05:16 Toadesstern wrote:
You guys are a bunch of idiots. I'm Drax myself. Hence my vehement opposition to him claiming vig...

Vivax is lying. There is absolutely no way we have two fucking Drax in the game. No way


On March 21 2015 05:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm going to side with the counter claimer on this one. I don't see mafia toad going for the 1 for 1 here


This is mighty important stuff. Don't let Vivax get out of this. Lynch Vivax, make mafia waste a KP or at least a RB on me

DO NOT LET VIVAX GET OUT OF THIS


On March 21 2015 05:47 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 05:44 Palmar wrote:
Like everyone is stupid and don't realize cc-ing as a vig is a dumb-as-fuck play, there is a chance Toad is stupid like everyone else. I haven't read back but if me pointing this out is the first person to say it there is also a chance that Toad simply didn't think of it.

Then again, I'm rolling the dice on Toad. I'm just hedging.


You are the first person. Here's what happened, but go read it yourself:

1) Vivax (fake)claims Vig shortly before deadlien for maximum confusion
2) I tell people to stop taking it seriously because vig can be fakeclaimed by anyone. There's no alignment cop, mafia can even fake it without being vig themselves
3) I tell people to get the fuck back on Vivax because his claim is bullshit
4) Noone cares and people unvote people
5) I am furious knowing that I am vig myself and won't let him get out of this one. He literally claimed mafia

Now I know you hate me but if you want to look even ever so slightly townish go stop that bullshit of yours and vote Vivax.

Typing this out on the slim chance of me actually being wrong about you being mafia like everyone else seems to try and tell me....

<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 21:24 GMT
#2878
On March 21 2015 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
##vote bill murray

get out or vote Vivax. Right now
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 21:24 GMT
#2881
On March 21 2015 06:24 Superbia wrote:
Toad. What if you're both vig?

If that's the case Vivax will flip mafiaVig
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 21:25 GMT
#2886
On March 21 2015 06:24 Breshke wrote:
I would not be intrested in lynching Vig claims since that can easily resolve itself in the night


we don't want it to resolve in the night... why would you want a possible mafiaVig to shoot
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 21:29 GMT
#2899
On March 21 2015 06:26 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 06:24 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:24 Superbia wrote:
Toad. What if you're both vig?

If that's the case Vivax will flip mafiaVig


He would risk mafia kp by claiming vig? Why?

wat? I'm saying chances are actually pretty decent that he is in fact Vig, just not a town Vig but Vig and had this bullshit prepared from the beginning of the game because there's no way to prove it with only role-cops and no alignment cops.

We can not let him get into n1 without being lynched.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 21:32 GMT
#2918
On March 21 2015 06:28 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 06:25 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:24 Breshke wrote:
I would not be intrested in lynching Vig claims since that can easily resolve itself in the night


we don't want it to resolve in the night... why would you want a possible mafiaVig to shoot


So both of you can't be roleblocked by mafia. If one of you doesn't shoot the other one then they die in the night.. If one of you shoots the other and they flip town big then they die. I think it is very unlikely we have two town vigi's.

With my plan the town vig gets a chance to shoot still. What will probs happen is that the town vig will get RB (they might not even have one) and the mafia vig wont shoot so that could be even better since the town vig willl still be alive and soak up a RB

except that Mafia still gets +1 KP that way?

Vivax could claim d2 "I shot Toad but he's still alive, so I got roleblocked by mafia" while they use Vivax vigshot + 1KP to doublestack someone as well as another KP for someone else making it look like 2 kills happened, I got roleblocked by mafia and there's no way for anyone to figure out what happened besides me.

Same shit different day
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 21:33 GMT
#2925
On March 21 2015 06:31 Trfel wrote:
Toadesstern, there is the possibility of an alignment cop. It's the very first role listed.

Does this change your view at all?

oh did not realize that, only remembered the orb being changed to role-cop and thought that it's just mimicing the other roles assuming cop would be role-cop.

But no not really. I still don't want Vivax to use his shot if he's actually Vig
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 21:35 GMT
#2932
On March 21 2015 06:34 Palmar wrote:
The best reason for voting for Vivax is that Toad is using big letters and actually seems to care a fuckton.

I do, I care a literal fuckton
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 21:36 GMT
#2937
On March 21 2015 06:35 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 06:35 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:34 Palmar wrote:
The best reason for voting for Vivax is that Toad is using big letters and actually seems to care a fuckton.

I do, I care a literal fuckton

That's what I just said...

emphasis to make sure people read it with everyone getting in here "gimme a TL;DR" !
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 21:38 GMT
#2944
On March 21 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 06:32 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:28 Breshke wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:25 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:24 Breshke wrote:
I would not be intrested in lynching Vig claims since that can easily resolve itself in the night


we don't want it to resolve in the night... why would you want a possible mafiaVig to shoot


So both of you can't be roleblocked by mafia. If one of you doesn't shoot the other one then they die in the night.. If one of you shoots the other and they flip town big then they die. I think it is very unlikely we have two town vigi's.

With my plan the town vig gets a chance to shoot still. What will probs happen is that the town vig will get RB (they might not even have one) and the mafia vig wont shoot so that could be even better since the town vig willl still be alive and soak up a RB

except that Mafia still gets +1 KP that way?

Vivax could claim d2 "I shot Toad but he's still alive, so I got roleblocked by mafia" while they use Vivax vigshot + 1KP to doublestack someone as well as another KP for someone else making it look like 2 kills happened, I got roleblocked by mafia and there's no way for anyone to figure out what happened besides me.

Same shit different day


That isn't plus one kp for mafia that is 2 kp the ssame amount they would have normally. I see the world you are talking about though mafia shoot 2 people and mafia vig shoots another town and then both mafia vigi's still claim RB. So yeah this is true we probably should choose today as if we lynch right we have the most to gain from it.

That being said if we have a tracker couldn't he just track one of the vigi's? (i guess if he is claimed it isn't much use)

Also if anyone could direct me to the pages in which the 2 vigi claims happen that would be really useful

it is +1 KP because the one guy they're doublestacking is 100% dead. People do that for a reason...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 21:43 GMT
#2959
On March 21 2015 05:16 Toadesstern wrote:
You guys are a bunch of idiots. I'm Drax myself. Hence my vehement opposition to him claiming vig...

Vivax is lying. There is absolutely no way we have two fucking Drax in the game. No way


On March 21 2015 05:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm going to side with the counter claimer on this one. I don't see mafia toad going for the 1 for 1 here


This is mighty important stuff. Don't let Vivax get out of this. Lynch Vivax, make mafia waste a KP or at least a RB on me

DO NOT LET VIVAX GET OUT OF THIS

<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 21:54 GMT
#2979
Okay I'm going to be afk for like 20-25 minutes because I need to make sure I don't starve.
Don't dare to pull any kind of bullshit on me here. We're lynching Vivax. He's not getting a chance to use his shot if he actually is mafiaVig

I'll be checking in here inbetween but I like my food in colors different than black
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 22:04 GMT
#3014
IMPORTANT:

Chances are actually decent that Vivax will claim something different like 10 minutes prior to deadline for ultimate confusion and a final chance to get out of the lynch. Like "sry guys I'm not actually vig. I'm VT who tried to get out of the lynch" or some other craprole hoping he will get a 2nd CC out of us so that they get 2 blue roles from his lynch.

DO NOT LET THAT HAPPEN; VIVAX IS MAFIA
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 22:14 GMT
#3034
On March 21 2015 07:12 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 07:09 Trfel wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:07 Breshke wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:04 Trfel wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:02 Superbia wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:00 Palmar wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:58 Superbia wrote:
Like you're one of the only people I don't dislike on that wagon atm Palmar.

I like HF's plan of letting Vigi(s) do whatever the fuck they want tonight. Maybe we confirm one, maybe we force mafia's hand in roleblocking a Vigi over a RB.

if you think the wagon is bad, you should be voting the other.

we're lynching one of them or the other tonight. I don't really care which one. It makes more sense that Vivax is the mafia, but Toad made a bad play if he's town so I'm fine with lynching him too.


It's still possible that they're both town. I like HF's play. Let Vigi(s) do what they want, if mafia RB a vigi the tracker gets free reign, otherwise vigi(s) can confirm themselves (probably).
Uh, what?

First of all, I'm not convinced that raynpelikoneet's claim is truthful. Second, let's imagine it is truthful, and the vigilantes are both still alive, and raynpelikoneet wasn't roleblocked. I don't see how this helps us at all?

Please explain.


tracker tracks a vigi. They can see if they shoot someone or if they are roleblocked etc. This plan fails though if the mafia who CC'd is not the mafia vig
Ok, let's imagine that mafia roleblocks the town vigilante. If the tracker tracks the roleblocked vigilante, then town gets no information. If the tracker tracks the mafia, then as long as that mafia isn't carrying KP (reasonable assumption), then they won't get anything from that either.


If mafia is not putting rb or kp (kp is riskier due to probable medic in setup) on a tracker (assuming that he is), it is a huge risk for mafia, as he can essentially solve a big part of the game by himself. If mafia plays it safe they allow the vigi situation to resolve during the night.

I say let's put the ball in mafia's court. I have plenty of others I want to lynch outside of the two vigi wagons.


I am going to kick and scream for the rest of the game if you don't lynch Vivax right now
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 22:22 GMT
#3064
On March 21 2015 07:15 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 07:14 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:12 Superbia wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:09 Trfel wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:07 Breshke wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:04 Trfel wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:02 Superbia wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:00 Palmar wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:58 Superbia wrote:
Like you're one of the only people I don't dislike on that wagon atm Palmar.

I like HF's plan of letting Vigi(s) do whatever the fuck they want tonight. Maybe we confirm one, maybe we force mafia's hand in roleblocking a Vigi over a RB.

if you think the wagon is bad, you should be voting the other.

we're lynching one of them or the other tonight. I don't really care which one. It makes more sense that Vivax is the mafia, but Toad made a bad play if he's town so I'm fine with lynching him too.


It's still possible that they're both town. I like HF's play. Let Vigi(s) do what they want, if mafia RB a vigi the tracker gets free reign, otherwise vigi(s) can confirm themselves (probably).
Uh, what?

First of all, I'm not convinced that raynpelikoneet's claim is truthful. Second, let's imagine it is truthful, and the vigilantes are both still alive, and raynpelikoneet wasn't roleblocked. I don't see how this helps us at all?

Please explain.


tracker tracks a vigi. They can see if they shoot someone or if they are roleblocked etc. This plan fails though if the mafia who CC'd is not the mafia vig
Ok, let's imagine that mafia roleblocks the town vigilante. If the tracker tracks the roleblocked vigilante, then town gets no information. If the tracker tracks the mafia, then as long as that mafia isn't carrying KP (reasonable assumption), then they won't get anything from that either.


If mafia is not putting rb or kp (kp is riskier due to probable medic in setup) on a tracker (assuming that he is), it is a huge risk for mafia, as he can essentially solve a big part of the game by himself. If mafia plays it safe they allow the vigi situation to resolve during the night.

I say let's put the ball in mafia's court. I have plenty of others I want to lynch outside of the two vigi wagons.


I am going to kick and scream for the rest of the game if you don't lynch Vivax right now


You'll be alive? Interesting.

Well I won't be lynched today I think. Thus I'll be around in n1.
I think we can both agree that I won't make it past d2 no matter of alignment here, right?

My rest of the game isn't very long but I'll kick and scream
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 22:24 GMT
#3070
Vivax will be dead d1
I'll be dead n1
If you actually think I'm mafia I'm dead d2 instead
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 22:26 GMT
#3072
On March 21 2015 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 07:15 Superbia wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:14 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:12 Superbia wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:09 Trfel wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:07 Breshke wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:04 Trfel wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:02 Superbia wrote:
On March 21 2015 07:00 Palmar wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:58 Superbia wrote:
Like you're one of the only people I don't dislike on that wagon atm Palmar.

I like HF's plan of letting Vigi(s) do whatever the fuck they want tonight. Maybe we confirm one, maybe we force mafia's hand in roleblocking a Vigi over a RB.

if you think the wagon is bad, you should be voting the other.

we're lynching one of them or the other tonight. I don't really care which one. It makes more sense that Vivax is the mafia, but Toad made a bad play if he's town so I'm fine with lynching him too.


It's still possible that they're both town. I like HF's play. Let Vigi(s) do what they want, if mafia RB a vigi the tracker gets free reign, otherwise vigi(s) can confirm themselves (probably).
Uh, what?

First of all, I'm not convinced that raynpelikoneet's claim is truthful. Second, let's imagine it is truthful, and the vigilantes are both still alive, and raynpelikoneet wasn't roleblocked. I don't see how this helps us at all?

Please explain.


tracker tracks a vigi. They can see if they shoot someone or if they are roleblocked etc. This plan fails though if the mafia who CC'd is not the mafia vig
Ok, let's imagine that mafia roleblocks the town vigilante. If the tracker tracks the roleblocked vigilante, then town gets no information. If the tracker tracks the mafia, then as long as that mafia isn't carrying KP (reasonable assumption), then they won't get anything from that either.


If mafia is not putting rb or kp (kp is riskier due to probable medic in setup) on a tracker (assuming that he is), it is a huge risk for mafia, as he can essentially solve a big part of the game by himself. If mafia plays it safe they allow the vigi situation to resolve during the night.

I say let's put the ball in mafia's court. I have plenty of others I want to lynch outside of the two vigi wagons.


I am going to kick and scream for the rest of the game if you don't lynch Vivax right now


You'll be alive? Interesting.


Do you think rayn is the real tracker?

Sorry I havn't paid attention in that regard. I have absolutely no idea. Pretty sure Rayn is mafia so I'd say no based on that but the important thing right now is making sure Vivax is dead and not talking about rayn when Vivax is confirmed
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 22:28 GMT
#3077
On March 21 2015 07:26 Vivax wrote:
Toad what are you going to say when I flip town?


On March 21 2015 06:07 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 06:02 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:00 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
ls is mafia with toad, the plan is they are going to get vivax lynched and when he flips vig play the "oh no there must be 2 vigs" game

except that I've been saying that there is no way there are 2 vigs in this game.

I even went ahead and wrote out that you guys should lynch me no matter what if I ever get in this and tell people I fakeclaimed Vig as VT because I'm not doing that. I'm not going to back down on Vivax fakeclaiming either. There are no two townvigs in this game.

Vivax might be mafiavig who fakeclaimed to get his shot off though, which Palmar is conveniently ignoring to vote me based on "toad would just wait"... no I wouldn't

Ok so in the hypothetical situation where vivax flips vig, what would you say? You'd just afk and let yourself die the next day?

That's not possible, I am drax... Vivax was mafia before the claim and he's even more mafia now. There's no way he's going to flip town.

I shouldn't be saying this but okay let's walk through this:
In the 99% chance of vivax flipping mafia I'll yell "told ya bitches!" while requesting medic protection so that mafia has to doublestack as well as RB me
in the 1% chance of vivax flipping Town Not-Vig I'll be mad. Seriously mad.
There is no scenario in which Vivax flips town-vig.


<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 20 2015 22:29 GMT
#3079
In the literally impossible scenario of you flipping townVig I'll tell people I'm sorry and that they need to lynch me as fast as possible to get over this mess and win starting by d3
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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