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On March 20 2015 21:51 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 21:48 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 20 2015 21:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 21:45 Holyflare wrote:
so let's ignore rayn for the time being and ignore artanis, who else do you think should be up there in terms of "wtf are they doing, mafia scummers!? Let's not ignore me, I still have absolutely no idea why VE thinks I'm mafia and he isn't engaging me, his top scumread. What's up with that bro?! Well that's your problem bro - I'm not asking you to vote for yourself obviously. Surely you're not 100% certain I'm mafia, so why aren't you actually trying to figure out my alignment with me? If you are 100% certain I'm mafia, why aren't you trying to convince others to vote for me? I'm not 100% certain that you're mafia, you're just who I'm most comfortable voting for right now. If it turns out that I like you most for lynch then I'll start trying to get people to lynch you. I'm here reading filters of other people right now, you included, and we'll just see or whatever. I don't need to ENGAGE you to figure out your alignment, in fact that will only hurt me bcause you're so good at "engaging" when you're mafia. I have the only good way to read you, actions, and so far your actions tell me you're mafia. Maybe I'll find out differently on readthrough, or maybe I'll find someone more scummy. I guess I'm just wondering why you're so concerned about the single vote on you, and why my vote is on you while I am discussing other people with Holy.
Because you've never told me why you suspect me other than me having a nullread on you (which Toad had also and I'm sure many other people in the game did too, so it's an absolutely shit reason unless you think everyone nullreading you is scum, which would be even more laughable). Then you scumread me for backing off on you when I had found a better suspect. The main reason I still think you're probably town is because I don't think you'd play this way as scum, but it is a very antitown way of playing. If I'm right, convincing you not to vote the one person I know is 100% town is of paramount concern for me, as I'd know it's a wasted vote.
I think you also severely overestimate my average mafia game. I highly doubt I'd get anywhere near this quality of posting with Imperial still so fresh, and rolling mafia again shortly after in Student, buut that's something I know of myself.
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I don't want to lynch FF today, that's for sure. I don't think I want to lynch LS either though, he seemed quite relaxed when put under pressure and mafia LS was a nervous wreck in JOAT.
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On March 20 2015 21:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, it has to do with you specifically null reading me. You've townread me for less posts before correctly, I've seen it. The quality of information and reads is similar or better, yet you're NULL reading me this game when in towngames in the past you've townread me for less.
It's pretty meta, but it is what it is. The best part? You going on and on about it MAKES it so that I have in-game reasons to actually push you for later! I wasn't going to be able to convince anyone with just my meta read, but with you being so concerned about it for no reason, people are SURELY going to notice and SURELY going to realize that you're mafia being shoved way out of your comfort zone. Thx Artanis!
So because I've townread you for less posts once I should read you correctly every time? That makes total sense.
It's also funny that you point out that I'm so concerned about the vote as if it's a mafia trait of me. Since you're using meta so much, why don't you apply that there too?
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On March 20 2015 22:04 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 22:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 21:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, it has to do with you specifically null reading me. You've townread me for less posts before correctly, I've seen it. The quality of information and reads is similar or better, yet you're NULL reading me this game when in towngames in the past you've townread me for less.
It's pretty meta, but it is what it is. The best part? You going on and on about it MAKES it so that I have in-game reasons to actually push you for later! I wasn't going to be able to convince anyone with just my meta read, but with you being so concerned about it for no reason, people are SURELY going to notice and SURELY going to realize that you're mafia being shoved way out of your comfort zone. Thx Artanis! So because I've townread you for less posts once I should read you correctly every time? That makes total sense. It's also funny that you point out that I'm so concerned about the vote as if it's a mafia trait of me. Since you're using meta so much, why don't you apply that there too? I'm not "using it so much" I used it to get an initial read on you Artanis. And you flipped out and OMGUSed me. What I find humorous about it is that it was one of my patented townie "non-votes" too that got you so worked up that you had to ACTUALLY vote for me. Yeah you removed it eventually, but you voted for me for calling you mafia for, what you would have us to believe, a reason you don't even understand or know. So why did you remove it? And then, when I'm in here discussing other targets with Holyflare, AGAIN you bring it up and want to discuss it! Sure my vote is ACTUALLY on you this time (because you'd actually given me in-game reason to think you're mafia at this point!) but I'm actively discussing OTHER reads with Holyflare. So why bring up my vote on you some more? You're so OBVIOUSLY mafia for all of this Artanis. I fucking nailed you.
I read it at first, then figured it was too retarded to be true, then read it again and decided you were probably actually being serious, went through your filter, scumread you for it, wake up and see you still passively push me, think it over and decide you're probably just being bad town because you're not putting any effort in trying to look good. I figured as mafia you'd at least put in some effort to make your push look like it'd have any influence whatsoever.
Can you explain to me the reasoning for putting so much attention to myself if I am mafia? Why wouldn't I simply let you discuss other targets with HF? Why does it make me mafia?
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On March 20 2015 22:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because you are cultivating a lynch on me Artanis! I've established that as your agenda since before we even started talking! You think you can make other people believe I'm mafia for thinking this, but you can't.
If I'm trying to make people believe you're mafia why am I calling you probable town?
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Town reason for putting attention on me: Make VE realize I'm Town so he can vote for people that might actually be mafia.
Mafia reason for putting attention on me: ....WIFOM!
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Are you really not realizing how much of a stretch you're turning your own story in? Are you that tunneled?
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I'm mafia because I thought VE was null when I townread him in a different game "for less" which clearly means I'm "cultivating a lynch on him" despite not even mentioning a potential VE lynch at that point, as well as like 8 other people being in the null area. Then I'm mafia because I'm trying to engage him on his read which is in VE-land "being concerned about it for no reason". Then the reason I've pulled him out of his discussion with HF on other people was because I'm still trying to lynch him (despite townreading him since).
Makes perfect sense!
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Rsoultin, didn't you townread LS in JOAT?
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On March 20 2015 22:19 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 22:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rsoultin, didn't you townread LS in JOAT? lol yup ^^ and?
So how can you be so confident in your LS read? You seem to read him as town in every game you play with him.
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Where are your thoughts currently at rso? Who do you want to lynch?
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On March 20 2015 22:25 Damdred wrote:
I'm getting distracted instead of reading filters in an orderly fashion. This fight between Art and VE is interesting to a degree.
Back in a bit reading filters exclusively
Interesting in what way? Explain.
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On March 20 2015 22:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 22:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Where are your thoughts currently at rso? Who do you want to lynch? xP there are amazing things called filters and voting threads omg! for realz? yeah, totes for realz! like, wow!! but no worries, artie xP i may just make a list post of ranked scum reads just for yoooouse + Show Spoiler +lol, as if i wasn't already planning on that xP
I skimmed through the last 4 pages of your filter and I couldn't find it so I figured asking you would be quicker.
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On March 20 2015 22:31 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 22:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 22:25 Damdred wrote:
I'm getting distracted instead of reading filters in an orderly fashion. This fight between Art and VE is interesting to a degree.
Back in a bit reading filters exclusively Interesting in what way? Explain. I think VE is probably townish for it, but doesn't have a bearing on your alignment at this point. Ve just flippin gout again
I think that's bad reasoning. VE can flip out as either alignment. A good example would be LI where he and Toad bussed each other to smithereens. I also think it definitely has bearing on my alignment as I'm clearly putting myself in the spotlight though it becomes null because for some reason I have to be the one to bring that up.
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On March 20 2015 22:33 Damdred wrote:
Which btw I really hate vivax filter. Like really really hate it, free town points for anyone who can tell me why XD
I think you're in a position where you need the town points yourself, so explain it to us.
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On March 20 2015 22:36 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 22:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 22:31 Damdred wrote:On March 20 2015 22:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 22:25 Damdred wrote:
I'm getting distracted instead of reading filters in an orderly fashion. This fight between Art and VE is interesting to a degree.
Back in a bit reading filters exclusively Interesting in what way? Explain. I think VE is probably townish for it, but doesn't have a bearing on your alignment at this point. Ve just flippin gout again I think that's bad reasoning. VE can flip out as either alignment. A good example would be LI where he and Toad bussed each other to smithereens. I also think it definitely has bearing on my alignment as I'm clearly putting myself in the spotlight though it becomes null because for some reason I have to be the one to bring that up. Unless your claiming scum the example really doesn't apply here. VE is flipping out because of a perceived mislynch being set up on him, I don't see it currently so maybe VE is just making noise but I have to use bad reasoning for me to read him or else we end up with me scum reading VE all the time.
Irrelevant if it's scum-scum or scum-town, I've proven he starts massive arguments as scum. The reason it was a bus was because him and Toad couldn't stand eachother at the time. As for his fear of getting mislynched, it was irrational as I never even suggested I wanted to lynch him, but given the amount of times he has been mislynched it's somewhat understandable.
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On March 20 2015 22:37 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 22:29 rsoultin wrote:On March 20 2015 22:25 LightningStrike wrote:On March 20 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote:On March 20 2015 22:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 22:19 rsoultin wrote:On March 20 2015 22:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rsoultin, didn't you townread LS in JOAT? lol yup ^^ and? So how can you be so confident in your LS read? You seem to read him as town in every game you play with him. sweetie pie lovey dove amazing dumb 80%+ accuracy rating is still pretty good lol i also was the main person who caught him and lynched him in his first scum game it's not impossible that he's scum, honestly, but his activity level here is too high for that read and regardless viva's reasons don't make LS scum xP if he falls off over the next day or two i will gladly support an LS lynch but he won't cause he's town ^^ hi town puppy! Hi sweetie pie how are you this morning? still waking up dontcha know xP so what does LS think about the artie/ve argument lol I finding the argument between them interesting because of Artanis said he can't be as good as he was in Imperial (Although he played that game really well) and we are over estimating his ability to play as Mafia and the fact that VE is attacking Artanis for having a Null read on him was odd since I had a ton of null reads myself but people don't go after me on them like VE did to Artanis's read on him.
Do you have any conclusions in terms of alignment?
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I said I skimmed it, I didn't say I read it. I looked for lists or something general like that.
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My D1 filter this game is already longer than that of my best mafia games D1 and we're not even at EOD yet. I'm pretty much confirmed town to anyone that knows how much I despise playing mafia, especially considering I rolled mafia 2/3 times in last 3 games.
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On March 20 2015 22:46 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 22:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I said I skimmed it, I didn't say I read it. I looked for lists or something general like that. fitefitefite! more seriously though i promised not to interact today and actually filter dive lol now go sit in your corner with your dunce cap or tell me why rayn is town otherwise i'm not interested in you xP shooooo
You are boring. In the time you've said all this you could've just given me your current reads. Here, like this:
I think Damdred is still the best shot for Mafia because his reads are more superficial than they usually are, he hasn't done anything and the way he's going about filtering is unlike how he's usually done it. He doesn't withhold reads on people and try to confirm other people as town for explaining it; he just saves up information and then spits it out in one big post that confirms him as town and makes us lynch his suspects. This damdred just seems to be playing to survive.
I think Rayn is a good second candidate because he's not really made his presence known. His push on Damdred was weakish and he hasn't really gotten mad at the people scumreading him too like HF. One point in his favour was the way he attacked me when I talked about Damdred confirming himself as town when he's town; it felt quite genuine.
Beyond that I wouldn't oppose a SL/Toad/Superbia lynch at the moment, though I'm far from sure on any of them. SL because he's SL, Toad because although he defended himself well he's fallen off a bit again and I don't like how he's soft accusing me all the time as well as not actually trying to convince all of us that Palmar is mafia to the best of his ability, and Superbia because his tone has been off all game.
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