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On March 21 2015 02:14 Vivax wrote:
Whenever Toad doesn't act like he ate wisdom from a spoon there's a good shot he's mafia yes.
On March 21 2015 02:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 01:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote:
Holy crap 25 pages I have to read... so anyways here's where I'm at for the day withouth reading that yet but having thought about what I already know:
Starting with obvious things that don't need that much explanation because duh, it's in my filter:
Palmar is mafia
Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
Rayn just plain does nothing. Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here. I'd expect him to be kicking and screaming out of his lungs having found at least one 100% mafia by now and how we all need to do what he wants and we're all terrible for not realizing that his scumread is 100% confirmed. I just don't see it. Yes he apparently has some reads but the kick is missing.
on to people I havn't realy read and it's more of a gut-read:
SL I still feel very strongly about just being a lynchbait. I don't even have a read on him, he's pretty much null for me but I just don't see this emoticon thing being a thing. The reason for which he got a target early on was stupid and I think he among myself was the easy (easier) place to dump votes onto for mafia or start a mislynch. I'm not going to lynch that unless someone shows me something big that happened in the last 25 pages about him.
Damdred/Vivax/LS, Damdred actually feels decent in my books even though he's feeling under the radar. Not sure why, but I like the way he's posting with not the slightest care&fear in the world. Would not want to lynch that today.
Vivax feels very odd. Same slightly under the radar feel despite actually having a decent filter (which is a bad sign) but he at the same time just doesn't feel right like damdred does. If we're going for a lurker / under the radar.
LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now. Maybe some of the other guys that I havn't bothered looking into yet. Can't remember a thing Onegu or breshke have said for that matter. But that's my stance for now and I'll start reading o/ this guy is town. I like the way he looks at rayn. Like a lot Well I don't like it cause it's the usual meta argument where people expect you to play exactly the same in every game, it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't apply to rayn. People can change their styles, maybe rayn has become more considerate? I know mafia rayn as being more disruptive than town rayn so if I made the same observations as Toad I'd argue in the opposite direction.
moving up on my list. Throwing shit at me for the sake of throwing shit at me. He even disagrees with himself... not to mention that the assessment is just completly wrong. If I'm townread early on I do whatever because I feel like I can just throw out my reads without explaining them and that's better for me, if I have to actually explain because I'm in one of those rare games where I'm not the shining beacon of towniness I'll do it... badly... but I'll do it. But I NEVER said I'm good at it or even good at playing town.
Last QT I was wasked by HTS if I can coach a newby game and I instantly responded by saying that I wouldn't want to coach townies because I'm not that good at playing town.
In Hammertime I said this:
On January 27 2015 15:54 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 14:57 Half the Sky wrote:Sanity please. Good morning. Took about 10m to skim through. Will post my initial impressions before I jet for work. I'll look a little harder into Liancourt's posting, but I have some thoughts and some criticisms. This post from Lian is making me reconsider a scum read on him. Here's why: On January 27 2015 13:51 liancourt wrote:
@toad
I know you're trying to be the thread mayor and all, but I really expected HF/marv/koshi level play from you, but I'm somewhat disappointed...maybe I had high expectations of you or maybe you're holding back for some reason. It's like you're playing politics and moderating everything instead of pointing fingers and pushing things hard.
How many scumreads does Toad have right now? From what I can tell, zero. This part of Lian's post is making me think that what if a (potential) mafia Toad could cruise on being so widely townread? It doesn't look likely at this point, but the fact that it made me think, and it shows that Lian has made some broad observation of a player relative to the entire game, despite Toad himself only having a three page filter. I took a look at Toad's filter, and he seems to be in that information gathering/analysing phase of scumhunting, but if I don't see him pushing something/someone soon, I might just start to wonder. His first vote was on Liancourt on what I believed to be a pressure vote and then he unvoted. Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading Toad as town, but this was a very provocative post by Lian and makes me think he's town for this observation. At the very least, I might actually move him upwards from my scumpile. I'm one of the guys that figures out who's town and lynches into whoever is left, starting with the guy my stomach likes the least as I'm usually incredibly confident in my townreads. You're probably not going to see me make long cases about people being mafia. That mostly goes out to you and lian who said he expected me to be someone like Marv/HF... I even told you that I'm the kind of guy that just looks cute and everyone wants to cuddle :3 That being said, a walkthrough of my thoughts lately would be: [... yalayala ...].
So why are you throwing shit at me Vivax?
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On March 21 2015 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toadesstern why do you make a read on me where everything is false without having read the thread?
on a scale from 0 to 100, how certain are you that I am mafia?
If you say 100 I'm willing to lynch Vivax before lynching into you.
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On March 21 2015 02:14 Vivax wrote:
Whenever Toad doesn't act like he ate wisdom from a spoon there's a good shot he's mafia yes. On March 21 2015 02:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 01:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote:
Holy crap 25 pages I have to read... so anyways here's where I'm at for the day withouth reading that yet but having thought about what I already know:
Starting with obvious things that don't need that much explanation because duh, it's in my filter:
Palmar is mafia
Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
Rayn just plain does nothing. Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here. I'd expect him to be kicking and screaming out of his lungs having found at least one 100% mafia by now and how we all need to do what he wants and we're all terrible for not realizing that his scumread is 100% confirmed. I just don't see it. Yes he apparently has some reads but the kick is missing.
on to people I havn't realy read and it's more of a gut-read:
SL I still feel very strongly about just being a lynchbait. I don't even have a read on him, he's pretty much null for me but I just don't see this emoticon thing being a thing. The reason for which he got a target early on was stupid and I think he among myself was the easy (easier) place to dump votes onto for mafia or start a mislynch. I'm not going to lynch that unless someone shows me something big that happened in the last 25 pages about him.
Damdred/Vivax/LS, Damdred actually feels decent in my books even though he's feeling under the radar. Not sure why, but I like the way he's posting with not the slightest care&fear in the world. Would not want to lynch that today.
Vivax feels very odd. Same slightly under the radar feel despite actually having a decent filter (which is a bad sign) but he at the same time just doesn't feel right like damdred does. If we're going for a lurker / under the radar.
LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now. Maybe some of the other guys that I havn't bothered looking into yet. Can't remember a thing Onegu or breshke have said for that matter. But that's my stance for now and I'll start reading o/ this guy is town. I like the way he looks at rayn. Like a lot Well I don't like it cause it's the usual meta argument where people expect you to play exactly the same in every game, it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't apply to rayn. People can change their styles, maybe rayn has become more considerate? I know mafia rayn as being more disruptive than town rayn so if I made the same observations as Toad I'd argue in the opposite direction.
Like srsly vivax, wtf
Repeating because that's actually a thing that needs attention, even more so than reading another 20 pages. This guy needs some lynching comming for him
@Rayn: I don't think it's wrong, that's why
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Okay seriously rayn I have no idea what's wrong with you atm except for the fact that I said something about you, which you apparently don't like.
You mention 2 things:
1) Me not having read the thread (the last 25 pages of it)
2) Me throwing out reads before having completly read it
The 2nd one is np at all, in fact the quote I directed to Vivax to show him that I don't consider myself someone on the levels as Marv/HF when playing town even shows that I'm doing that on a regular basis to give some updates on my thought process. It's from Hammertime, I was town in that game. #2 done?
About #1. I'm sorry I have to sleep at some point and I didn't really have time to read until I got back in here. I'm not awake and reading 24/7. What are you even getting at here?
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On March 21 2015 02:34 Vivax wrote:
Toad be honest, you're an incredibly cocky town
On March 21 2015 02:37 Vivax wrote:
Now Toad, to get back to your complaint. That was more of a funny jibe at you. The fact you're being a whiny little frog makes you more mafia than what I previously said, completely unrelated to your meta but related to the fact you go haywire on Palmar calling you scum based on wording and me posting that jibe.
cocky? Yeah probably, I like to bloat if I'm in the position to do so. If I'm not I don't. I've had games that I ragequitted as town. I've won the TL-mafia award for biggest drama queen and being super whiny as town when I don't get my way...
On March 21 2015 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:33 Toadesstern wrote:
@Rayn: I don't think it's wrong, that's why You can'r know if it's wrong or right if you have not read the thread. So you are scum because you make a read without having the evidence of making such read.
That's why I mentioned not having read it. If you in the last 20 pages showed some evidence of what I'm missing in your play go ahead and quote it. I'll be happy to say "I'm sorry, it was a read based on the first 90 pages of the thread and I'll take it back because you clearly showed signs of it on page 11X". The fact that you're whining about me not having read the thread instead of just going ahead to quote some post into my face that shows how you're doing exactly what I'm missing in your play just shows I'm correct though, doesn't it?
So what's the point? I am correct after all without having read the last 20 pages and that's making you angry?
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On March 21 2015 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:37 Toadesstern wrote:
Okay seriously rayn I have no idea what's wrong with you atm except for the fact that I said something about you, which you apparently don't like.
You mention 2 things:
1) Me not having read the thread (the last 25 pages of it)
2) Me throwing out reads before having completly read it
The 2nd one is np at all, in fact the quote I directed to Vivax to show him that I don't consider myself someone on the levels as Marv/HF when playing town even shows that I'm doing that on a regular basis to give some updates on my thought process. It's from Hammertime, I was town in that game. #2 done?
About #1. I'm sorry I have to sleep at some point and I didn't really have time to read until I got back in here. I'm not awake and reading 24/7. What are you even getting at here? Do not ignore the question and try to walk around it. How can you make a read on me when you don't have the information to make a read on me?
ITS A FUCKING UPDATE ON WHERE I'M AT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE MY THOUGHTPROCESS AS I GO THROUGH THE THREAD LIKE I SAID THE LAST 3 TIMES. I DO THAT ALL THE TIME
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On March 21 2015 02:43 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:37 Toadesstern wrote:
Okay seriously rayn I have no idea what's wrong with you atm except for the fact that I said something about you, which you apparently don't like.
You mention 2 things:
1) Me not having read the thread (the last 25 pages of it)
2) Me throwing out reads before having completly read it
The 2nd one is np at all, in fact the quote I directed to Vivax to show him that I don't consider myself someone on the levels as Marv/HF when playing town even shows that I'm doing that on a regular basis to give some updates on my thought process. It's from Hammertime, I was town in that game. #2 done?
About #1. I'm sorry I have to sleep at some point and I didn't really have time to read until I got back in here. I'm not awake and reading 24/7. What are you even getting at here? so wait have you not read the thread or have you spent the last 24 hours not talking about rayn as a tactic? If you haven't even read the thread how can you say you've made your read based on how he acted without any pressure on him... Show nested quote + Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here Have your read the thread or not?
of course not more than the first 90 pages of it like I said, I got home and made that post as an update on my thoughts.
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On March 21 2015 02:45 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:44 Toadesstern wrote:On March 21 2015 02:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 02:37 Toadesstern wrote:
Okay seriously rayn I have no idea what's wrong with you atm except for the fact that I said something about you, which you apparently don't like.
You mention 2 things:
1) Me not having read the thread (the last 25 pages of it)
2) Me throwing out reads before having completly read it
The 2nd one is np at all, in fact the quote I directed to Vivax to show him that I don't consider myself someone on the levels as Marv/HF when playing town even shows that I'm doing that on a regular basis to give some updates on my thought process. It's from Hammertime, I was town in that game. #2 done?
About #1. I'm sorry I have to sleep at some point and I didn't really have time to read until I got back in here. I'm not awake and reading 24/7. What are you even getting at here? so wait have you not read the thread or have you spent the last 24 hours not talking about rayn as a tactic? If you haven't even read the thread how can you say you've made your read based on how he acted without any pressure on him... Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here Have your read the thread or not? of course not more than the first 90 pages of it like I said, I got home and made that post as an update on my thoughts. Well then that post and this discussion about it would have been time better spent catching up and posting your reads afterward.
I completly disagree. The discussion maybe, but Vivax was throwing shit at me.
The post? Aboslutely not.
I'm the kind of guy that posts stream-like updates on his thoughtprocess throughout the entire game without thinking it through beforehand. That's my style and how people read me, by looking wether that thought process makes sense rather than looking at the results later on.
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On March 21 2015 02:49 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:47 rsoultin wrote:On March 21 2015 02:45 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 02:44 Toadesstern wrote:On March 21 2015 02:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 02:37 Toadesstern wrote:
Okay seriously rayn I have no idea what's wrong with you atm except for the fact that I said something about you, which you apparently don't like.
You mention 2 things:
1) Me not having read the thread (the last 25 pages of it)
2) Me throwing out reads before having completly read it
The 2nd one is np at all, in fact the quote I directed to Vivax to show him that I don't consider myself someone on the levels as Marv/HF when playing town even shows that I'm doing that on a regular basis to give some updates on my thought process. It's from Hammertime, I was town in that game. #2 done?
About #1. I'm sorry I have to sleep at some point and I didn't really have time to read until I got back in here. I'm not awake and reading 24/7. What are you even getting at here? so wait have you not read the thread or have you spent the last 24 hours not talking about rayn as a tactic? If you haven't even read the thread how can you say you've made your read based on how he acted without any pressure on him... Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here Have your read the thread or not? of course not more than the first 90 pages of it like I said, I got home and made that post as an update on my thoughts. Well then that post and this discussion about it would have been time better spent catching up and posting your reads afterward. ff, how much of the thread have you read? i know you didn't read most of the thread as of last night, so why don't we turn the hypocrisy down a notch unless you're telling me you're fully caught up now? I have at least skimmed every page. Most of them I even read every word
well that I've done too.. I just wouldn't call that read if I spend 5 minutes per page.
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On March 21 2015 02:52 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:50 Toadesstern wrote:On March 21 2015 02:49 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 02:47 rsoultin wrote:On March 21 2015 02:45 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 02:44 Toadesstern wrote:On March 21 2015 02:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 02:37 Toadesstern wrote:
Okay seriously rayn I have no idea what's wrong with you atm except for the fact that I said something about you, which you apparently don't like.
You mention 2 things:
1) Me not having read the thread (the last 25 pages of it)
2) Me throwing out reads before having completly read it
The 2nd one is np at all, in fact the quote I directed to Vivax to show him that I don't consider myself someone on the levels as Marv/HF when playing town even shows that I'm doing that on a regular basis to give some updates on my thought process. It's from Hammertime, I was town in that game. #2 done?
About #1. I'm sorry I have to sleep at some point and I didn't really have time to read until I got back in here. I'm not awake and reading 24/7. What are you even getting at here? so wait have you not read the thread or have you spent the last 24 hours not talking about rayn as a tactic? If you haven't even read the thread how can you say you've made your read based on how he acted without any pressure on him... Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here Have your read the thread or not? of course not more than the first 90 pages of it like I said, I got home and made that post as an update on my thoughts. Well then that post and this discussion about it would have been time better spent catching up and posting your reads afterward. ff, how much of the thread have you read? i know you didn't read most of the thread as of last night, so why don't we turn the hypocrisy down a notch unless you're telling me you're fully caught up now? I have at least skimmed every page. Most of them I even read every word well that I've done too.. I just wouldn't call that read if I spend 5 minutes per page. I'm specifically talking about this part. Why say that if you don't consider yourself caught up?
I havn't physically sat down at the PC 24 hours in a row.
It's a phrase to show that I tried to give rayn some space and see if he does something, in this case for about 24 hours.
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On March 21 2015 02:54 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:52 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 02:50 Toadesstern wrote:On March 21 2015 02:49 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 02:47 rsoultin wrote:On March 21 2015 02:45 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 02:44 Toadesstern wrote:On March 21 2015 02:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 02:37 Toadesstern wrote:
Okay seriously rayn I have no idea what's wrong with you atm except for the fact that I said something about you, which you apparently don't like.
You mention 2 things:
1) Me not having read the thread (the last 25 pages of it)
2) Me throwing out reads before having completly read it
The 2nd one is np at all, in fact the quote I directed to Vivax to show him that I don't consider myself someone on the levels as Marv/HF when playing town even shows that I'm doing that on a regular basis to give some updates on my thought process. It's from Hammertime, I was town in that game. #2 done?
About #1. I'm sorry I have to sleep at some point and I didn't really have time to read until I got back in here. I'm not awake and reading 24/7. What are you even getting at here? so wait have you not read the thread or have you spent the last 24 hours not talking about rayn as a tactic? If you haven't even read the thread how can you say you've made your read based on how he acted without any pressure on him... Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here Have your read the thread or not? of course not more than the first 90 pages of it like I said, I got home and made that post as an update on my thoughts. Well then that post and this discussion about it would have been time better spent catching up and posting your reads afterward. ff, how much of the thread have you read? i know you didn't read most of the thread as of last night, so why don't we turn the hypocrisy down a notch unless you're telling me you're fully caught up now? I have at least skimmed every page. Most of them I even read every word well that I've done too.. I just wouldn't call that read if I spend 5 minutes per page. I'm specifically talking about this part. I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him Why say that if you don't consider yourself caught up? I havn't physically sat down at the PC 24 hours in a row. It's a phrase to show that I tried to give rayn some space and see if he does something, in this case for about 24 hours.
like... in during those 24 hours there were many times during which I wasn't actually at the PC. Sometimes I had to be on the toilet, sometimes I was eating, sometimes I might have slept and sometimes I might have been on the PC but not reading because I was playing boats-moba!
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On March 21 2015 02:55 Vivax wrote:
This is entirely subjective, but usually when Toad is town I read like the first half of his posts, then get tired but at least I get the feeling he's town, then proceed to ignore them for the rest of the game until he gets shot rather early for reasons I have never understood.
Now that I'm actually reading them I feel quite worried cause he's trying to look like he makes sense and is an asset who cares, but without the usual cockiness.
On March 21 2015 02:42 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:34 Vivax wrote:
Toad be honest, you're an incredibly cocky town Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:37 Vivax wrote:
Now Toad, to get back to your complaint. That was more of a funny jibe at you. The fact you're being a whiny little frog makes you more mafia than what I previously said, completely unrelated to your meta but related to the fact you go haywire on Palmar calling you scum based on wording and me posting that jibe. cocky? Yeah probably, I like to bloat if I'm in the position to do so. If I'm not I don't. I've had games that I ragequitted as town. I've won the TL-mafia award for biggest drama queen and being super whiny as town when I don't get my way... Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2015 02:33 Toadesstern wrote:
@Rayn: I don't think it's wrong, that's why You can'r know if it's wrong or right if you have not read the thread. So you are scum because you make a read without having the evidence of making such read. That's why I mentioned not having read it. If you in the last 20 pages showed some evidence of what I'm missing in your play go ahead and quote it. I'll be happy to say "I'm sorry, it was a read based on the first 90 pages of the thread and I'll take it back because you clearly showed signs of it on page 11X". The fact that you're whining about me not having read the thread instead of just going ahead to quote some post into my face that shows how you're doing exactly what I'm missing in your play just shows I'm correct though, doesn't it? So what's the point? I am correct after all without having read the last 20 pages and that's making you angry?
thanks for figuring out what I already explained to you and now you're turning it against me implying that it's something you figured out and it's something scummy for no apparent reason.
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##vote Vivax
this is too much. The ranking goes as follows: Palmar >> Vivax > Rayn > Artanis. Ranked by scummyness.
Rayn actually gets minor townpoints for throwing a tantrum but I'd still value him a better lynch than Artanis, just not better than Palmar/Vivax
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On March 21 2015 03:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Toad do you think the interaction you just had with Vivax actually meant anything? I found all of it incredibly boring and null.
We've had at least 5 minutes like this just now with him:
On March 21 2015 02:14 Vivax wrote:
Whenever Toad doesn't act like he ate wisdom from a spoon there's a good shot he's mafia yes. On March 21 2015 02:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 01:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote:
Holy crap 25 pages I have to read... so anyways here's where I'm at for the day withouth reading that yet but having thought about what I already know:
Starting with obvious things that don't need that much explanation because duh, it's in my filter:
Palmar is mafia
Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
Rayn just plain does nothing. Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here. I'd expect him to be kicking and screaming out of his lungs having found at least one 100% mafia by now and how we all need to do what he wants and we're all terrible for not realizing that his scumread is 100% confirmed. I just don't see it. Yes he apparently has some reads but the kick is missing.
on to people I havn't realy read and it's more of a gut-read:
SL I still feel very strongly about just being a lynchbait. I don't even have a read on him, he's pretty much null for me but I just don't see this emoticon thing being a thing. The reason for which he got a target early on was stupid and I think he among myself was the easy (easier) place to dump votes onto for mafia or start a mislynch. I'm not going to lynch that unless someone shows me something big that happened in the last 25 pages about him.
Damdred/Vivax/LS, Damdred actually feels decent in my books even though he's feeling under the radar. Not sure why, but I like the way he's posting with not the slightest care&fear in the world. Would not want to lynch that today.
Vivax feels very odd. Same slightly under the radar feel despite actually having a decent filter (which is a bad sign) but he at the same time just doesn't feel right like damdred does. If we're going for a lurker / under the radar.
LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now. Maybe some of the other guys that I havn't bothered looking into yet. Can't remember a thing Onegu or breshke have said for that matter. But that's my stance for now and I'll start reading o/ this guy is town. I like the way he looks at rayn. Like a lot Well I don't like it cause it's the usual meta argument where people expect you to play exactly the same in every game, it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't apply to rayn. People can change their styles, maybe rayn has become more considerate? I know mafia rayn as being more disruptive than town rayn so if I made the same observations as Toad I'd argue in the opposite direction.
Quoting this for the third time because it's super easy to show mafiaagenda here quickly.
He only cares about his standards if they fit his agenda. Same can be said about everything else he said towards me, he even backpaddled when he said something along the lines of "yeah but come on, you are super cocky, aren't you?" showing that he even realized it himsef. Not quoting those to save the thread though
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On March 21 2015 03:07 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 03:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Toad do you think the interaction you just had with Vivax actually meant anything? I found all of it incredibly boring and null. We've had at least 5 minutes like this just now with him: Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:14 Vivax wrote:
Whenever Toad doesn't act like he ate wisdom from a spoon there's a good shot he's mafia yes. Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:19 Vivax wrote:On March 21 2015 01:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 21 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote:
Holy crap 25 pages I have to read... so anyways here's where I'm at for the day withouth reading that yet but having thought about what I already know:
Starting with obvious things that don't need that much explanation because duh, it's in my filter:
Palmar is mafia
Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
Rayn just plain does nothing. Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here. I'd expect him to be kicking and screaming out of his lungs having found at least one 100% mafia by now and how we all need to do what he wants and we're all terrible for not realizing that his scumread is 100% confirmed. I just don't see it. Yes he apparently has some reads but the kick is missing.
on to people I havn't realy read and it's more of a gut-read:
SL I still feel very strongly about just being a lynchbait. I don't even have a read on him, he's pretty much null for me but I just don't see this emoticon thing being a thing. The reason for which he got a target early on was stupid and I think he among myself was the easy (easier) place to dump votes onto for mafia or start a mislynch. I'm not going to lynch that unless someone shows me something big that happened in the last 25 pages about him.
Damdred/Vivax/LS, Damdred actually feels decent in my books even though he's feeling under the radar. Not sure why, but I like the way he's posting with not the slightest care&fear in the world. Would not want to lynch that today.
Vivax feels very odd. Same slightly under the radar feel despite actually having a decent filter (which is a bad sign) but he at the same time just doesn't feel right like damdred does. If we're going for a lurker / under the radar.
LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now. Maybe some of the other guys that I havn't bothered looking into yet. Can't remember a thing Onegu or breshke have said for that matter. But that's my stance for now and I'll start reading o/ this guy is town. I like the way he looks at rayn. Like a lot Well I don't like it cause it's the usual meta argument where people expect you to play exactly the same in every game, it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't apply to rayn. People can change their styles, maybe rayn has become more considerate? I know mafia rayn as being more disruptive than town rayn so if I made the same observations as Toad I'd argue in the opposite direction. Quoting this for the third time because it's super easy to show mafiaagenda here quickly. He only cares about his standards if they fit his agenda. Same can be said about everything else he said towards me, he even backpaddled when he said something along the lines of "yeah but come on, you are super cocky, aren't you?" showing that he even realized it himsef. Not quoting those to save the thread though
EBWOP
minutes = occastions in the last minutes
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On March 21 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I feel you've proven he's a hypocrite. Problem is town can be hypocritical too.
I've proven he's a hypocrite for the sole purpose of throwing shit at me somewhat close at deadline. Big difference.
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On March 21 2015 03:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 03:10 Toadesstern wrote:On March 21 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I feel you've proven he's a hypocrite. Problem is town can be hypocritical too. I've proven he's a hypocrite for the sole purpose of throwing shit at me somewhat close at deadline. Big difference. When you're seemingly not a potential lynch candidate (at least looking at current votes) is there really a mafia agenda for throwing shit on you now though?
Palmar and Rayn just voted me seconds before that, at least they said so in here. I'd say there is some mafiaagenda to be had there, ESPECIALLY if you don't consider Palmars to be from mafia.
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I have doublevotes up there. No longer voting Artanis
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On March 21 2015 03:14 Toadesstern wrote:
I have doublevotes up there. No longer voting Artanis
@HTS votecount
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On March 21 2015 03:55 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 03:49 Vivax wrote:On March 21 2015 03:46 rsoultin wrote:
viva, ls isn't mafia
i'd rather lynch you over him, cause even though i'm having doubts whether or not you're mafia, i trust my read on him more
i've already said i'm willing to consolidate elsewhere but i want a rayn lynch cause that's the one i'm most certain on
can we agree on someone other than ls? Pick one between Toad, SL and Artanis. Especially Artanis should know better. of those the only one i think is better than a cointoss is sicklucker xP what am i missing?
I am not letting you vote sicklucker unless you give me a good damn reasoning for why he should be lynched instead of people like Vivax / Rayn / Palmar (maybe Artanis but he wants to lynch Vivax so that's good)
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