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On March 20 2015 03:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 02:20 Toadesstern wrote:okay here's the thing about Artanis, to get this straight with context I'll explain the context for you guys as well! It is 24:00 CET, the game begings. Toad is currently playing boat-moba thus only posting inbetween and didn't even realize the game started. Thus the rushed inbetween posts while alt-tabbing in games. About 01:00 CET, my internet crashes and I am afk for about... idk at least an hour About 02:00 CET, I'm back and actually doing stuff. You might not agree with things I did like my Palmar read but I did some stuff. Enough for people to figure out that I don't like Palmar and want him lynched at least. This continues until around 05:30 CET. Argueably I got distracted everytime HF got in the thread but I felt like I was actually getting my thoughts out at least when I made it pretty obvious that I don't want to lean back another game as townie and just lose that way. So that's the basic background, Artanis gets in the thread and posts this: On March 19 2015 20:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1) I'm reading Toad's filter now and the only thing I got out of it was that he thinks Palmar is scum, some interactions with SL 2) and a lot of fluff particularly on Pg 2. 3) What I don't really understand is why he let go of the Palmar scum theory in favour of chasing SL, then jumped back to Palmar without any real 'trigger' for it other than rsoultin asking him.
Problem with that is that he mentions he's back to voting for Palmar in response to that question before he expands, so he had already been thinking of switching back to Palmar before anyone triggered him. Palmar hadn't posted between the time Toad switched to SL and went back to Palmar. 3 important things here: 1) Hypocrisy. He even mentioned someone else being a hypocrite towards him and fos'es me for only getting 1 mafiaread during the time between... 00:00AM and 05:30AM? He knows I'm from europe, he knows I've got to sleep, heck I even wrote it in the thread and he says he doesn't know enough about my reads despite him not giving out a single hard read up to that point. Check his filter up to that point and you won't find anything and yet he criticizes me for that? False, I went after Alakaslam, SL, and called out Superbia in that time. Show nested quote +2) He knows me. Everyone on here that knows me knows that I'm the boxxy of TL-mafia. I post a lot. I post a lot of big walls that noone reads. Chances are you, my dear non-reader, aren't actually reading this very sentence because you already gave up on it because it's too long and fully. That's what I do. No matter of alignment. Every single game.
Sorry I just can't help it but he knows that I do it and he knows that I do it no matter of alignment. There's a big famous game that I had with VE + gom... whatever his name was that had like 200pages by the end of d2 because we're all very talkactive. He knows about that shit. He should not bring up my fluffyness no matter how cute I am. Actually, I don't know you that well though I've always found you to be a good addition to games I've hosted as you generally had a positive vibe, one which I'm kind of missing this game so far. Not alignment indicative though as you've had it as both alignments, but a shame. Fluffyness is relevant when it's the majority of your filter. Show nested quote +3) I never gave up on Palmar. I think I made it plenty clear that I want him lynched and if I ever get the chance to lynch him I'm going to grab that chance and kick him out of this game. So HF reads me mafia for focussing too much on Palmar, Artanis reads me mafia for not focusing enough on Palmar and discussing other people even if I think Palmar is 99% confirmed mafia at this point. Great. My point was that you went back to Palmar without anything initiating it. You just randomly decided "hey let's go back to Palmar" without anything seemingly triggering you. Like I said in my initial post, the way you replied to rso insinuated that you were already in the process of going back to him without him posting in the meantime. Show nested quote +Did anyone here really think I let go of my Palmar read in general? I thought it was pretty damn obvious that I was just putting it aside for a sec to discuss some other stuff at that time, in this case SL.
Feels like he's pushing me because he wants to push me rather than actually being convinced I'm mafia. He directly goes against what HF thinks and comes to the same conclusion as HF with the opposite interpretation with his #3. He knows better than to use #2 and he himself is worse than me for what he's accusing me about with his #1 at that point in time. I didn't read HF's suspicions on you. I was triggered to read your filter by remembering that Palmar suspected you, and the reason I brought the whole thing up was because Palmar and Rayn were in a shitfight that wasn't going anywhere and I wanted to redirect their attention and get reads on a broader field.
you mentioned them, you never ended up really calling them mafia.
In fact I'm the only mafia in your list you posted later on the the read on them has got to be a lot weaker than the one on me, right?
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that's literally the first time you comment on some hard reads of yours:
On March 19 2015 21:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Leaning Town
Trfel - Questioned # of mafia after Superbia already did and got a nasty response from it. Doesn't seem to be afraid of any backlash, posting carefree.
LightningStrike - See above. Would expect him to have more trouble posting as mafia.
Fecalfeast - Brought up point against SL, didn't try to bury him
ExO_ - Made a stupid question, got called out on it by a lot of people, still responded and came to a reasonable for him conclusion.
Cautiously leaning town
rsoultin - Rayn and HF said so, haven't really looked into her further.
Alakaslam - Genuinely seems to want to change his meta in contrast to last time he rolled scum where he just admitted it was his scum meta.
Holyflare & Damdred - Similar thoughts a few times throughout the game, such as with ExO_ and Alakaslam.
Null
Everyone not on other lists.
Leaning Mafia
Toadesstern - Went after Palmar, then lots of fluff, then went after SL, then suddenly went back to Palmar without Palmar posting in between. Hasn't been as productive as Town!Toad normally is.
##Vote Toadesstern
and I'm the only one in your mafiareads while you go at me for only being on Palmar. So it's fine for you to only have one read but it's not fine for me to only have one? I mentioned a bunch of people without putting them in the "KILL IT WITH FIRE" treshhold either.
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On March 20 2015 03:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 03:46 Toadesstern wrote:that's literally the first time you comment on some hard reads of yours: On March 19 2015 21:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Leaning Town
Trfel - Questioned # of mafia after Superbia already did and got a nasty response from it. Doesn't seem to be afraid of any backlash, posting carefree.
LightningStrike - See above. Would expect him to have more trouble posting as mafia.
Fecalfeast - Brought up point against SL, didn't try to bury him
ExO_ - Made a stupid question, got called out on it by a lot of people, still responded and came to a reasonable for him conclusion.
Cautiously leaning town
rsoultin - Rayn and HF said so, haven't really looked into her further.
Alakaslam - Genuinely seems to want to change his meta in contrast to last time he rolled scum where he just admitted it was his scum meta.
Holyflare & Damdred - Similar thoughts a few times throughout the game, such as with ExO_ and Alakaslam.
Null
Everyone not on other lists.
Leaning Mafia
Toadesstern - Went after Palmar, then lots of fluff, then went after SL, then suddenly went back to Palmar without Palmar posting in between. Hasn't been as productive as Town!Toad normally is.
##Vote Toadesstern and I'm the only one in your mafiareads while you go at me for only being on Palmar. So it's fine for you to only have one read but it's not fine for me to only have one? I mentioned a bunch of people without putting them in the "KILL IT WITH FIRE" treshhold either. I didn't go after you for only being on Palmar. That's not my argument at all, what I'm saying is that for no reason at all you switched back from SL to Palmar when he had posted nothing in the meantime. THAT'S what I'm saying.
so show me the post that made you think I thought Palmar was a bad lynch. Because I'm pretty sure I never backed down on that in the first place.
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On March 20 2015 03:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 03:50 Toadesstern wrote:On March 20 2015 03:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 03:46 Toadesstern wrote:that's literally the first time you comment on some hard reads of yours: On March 19 2015 21:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Leaning Town
Trfel - Questioned # of mafia after Superbia already did and got a nasty response from it. Doesn't seem to be afraid of any backlash, posting carefree.
LightningStrike - See above. Would expect him to have more trouble posting as mafia.
Fecalfeast - Brought up point against SL, didn't try to bury him
ExO_ - Made a stupid question, got called out on it by a lot of people, still responded and came to a reasonable for him conclusion.
Cautiously leaning town
rsoultin - Rayn and HF said so, haven't really looked into her further.
Alakaslam - Genuinely seems to want to change his meta in contrast to last time he rolled scum where he just admitted it was his scum meta.
Holyflare & Damdred - Similar thoughts a few times throughout the game, such as with ExO_ and Alakaslam.
Null
Everyone not on other lists.
Leaning Mafia
Toadesstern - Went after Palmar, then lots of fluff, then went after SL, then suddenly went back to Palmar without Palmar posting in between. Hasn't been as productive as Town!Toad normally is.
##Vote Toadesstern and I'm the only one in your mafiareads while you go at me for only being on Palmar. So it's fine for you to only have one read but it's not fine for me to only have one? I mentioned a bunch of people without putting them in the "KILL IT WITH FIRE" treshhold either. I didn't go after you for only being on Palmar. That's not my argument at all, what I'm saying is that for no reason at all you switched back from SL to Palmar when he had posted nothing in the meantime. THAT'S what I'm saying. so show me the post that made you think I thought Palmar was a bad lynch. Because I'm pretty sure I never backed down on that in the first place. Again you're changing my argument to something I never said. I never said you think Palmar is a bad lynch. This is my argument: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/aycfz4p.png)
you realize that even if you say Palmar wasn't posting there I could be going through peoples filters? In fact I had half of the post finished when *whoever it was that asked about Palmar* asked about Palmar and included that because of an F5?
I could have talked with SL and thought he's more a lynchbait than anything else, like I mentioned, thus going back to Palmar?
I could have just thought "fuck it, I lost four games in a row by making sure everyone knows I'm town early on, got killed cycle-1 four times in a row without having enough influence on the game because I sat back as confirmed townie not pushing my reads hard enough" ?
Why is none of that a possibility for you?
It's not like I'm flip flopping from Palmar to LS to some guy I never mentioned before. I went from Palmar to LS back to Palmar. Stuff happens.
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On March 20 2015 04:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 04:01 Toadesstern wrote:On March 20 2015 03:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 03:50 Toadesstern wrote:On March 20 2015 03:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 20 2015 03:46 Toadesstern wrote:that's literally the first time you comment on some hard reads of yours: On March 19 2015 21:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Leaning Town
Trfel - Questioned # of mafia after Superbia already did and got a nasty response from it. Doesn't seem to be afraid of any backlash, posting carefree.
LightningStrike - See above. Would expect him to have more trouble posting as mafia.
Fecalfeast - Brought up point against SL, didn't try to bury him
ExO_ - Made a stupid question, got called out on it by a lot of people, still responded and came to a reasonable for him conclusion.
Cautiously leaning town
rsoultin - Rayn and HF said so, haven't really looked into her further.
Alakaslam - Genuinely seems to want to change his meta in contrast to last time he rolled scum where he just admitted it was his scum meta.
Holyflare & Damdred - Similar thoughts a few times throughout the game, such as with ExO_ and Alakaslam.
Null
Everyone not on other lists.
Leaning Mafia
Toadesstern - Went after Palmar, then lots of fluff, then went after SL, then suddenly went back to Palmar without Palmar posting in between. Hasn't been as productive as Town!Toad normally is.
##Vote Toadesstern and I'm the only one in your mafiareads while you go at me for only being on Palmar. So it's fine for you to only have one read but it's not fine for me to only have one? I mentioned a bunch of people without putting them in the "KILL IT WITH FIRE" treshhold either. I didn't go after you for only being on Palmar. That's not my argument at all, what I'm saying is that for no reason at all you switched back from SL to Palmar when he had posted nothing in the meantime. THAT'S what I'm saying. so show me the post that made you think I thought Palmar was a bad lynch. Because I'm pretty sure I never backed down on that in the first place. Again you're changing my argument to something I never said. I never said you think Palmar is a bad lynch. This is my argument: you realize that even if you say Palmar wasn't posting there I could be going through peoples filters? In fact I had half of the post finished when *whoever it was that asked about Palmar* asked about Palmar and included that because of an F5? I could have talked with SL and thought he's more a lynchbait than anything else, like I mentioned, thus going back to Palmar? I could have just thought "fuck it, I lost four games in a row by making sure everyone knows I'm town early on, got killed cycle-1 four times in a row without having enough influence on the game because I sat back as confirmed townie not pushing my reads hard enough" ? Why is none of that a possibility for you? It's not like I'm flip flopping from Palmar to LS to some guy I never mentioned before. I went from Palmar to LS back to Palmar. Stuff happens. Of course all of that is a possibility. I never said you were certain scum. I simply felt the timing was suspicious and seemingly unprovoked, but the play you've shown since coming back is satisfactory. ##Unvote
was it my case on Palmar or my case on you that was satisfactory?
Or my #DETERMINED way of talking when I was raging at HF, because I could probably fake that as mafia?
If you want to lynch Palmar we can be friends. He hasn't really done anything other than throw shit at me and make me rage on purpose if I am to believe that he did that on purpose like some people here seem to imply.
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VE get in here. I need to make you vote Palmar and figure out your alignment. In that order
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On March 20 2015 04:33 Toadesstern wrote:
VE get in here. I need to make you vote Palmar and figure out your alignment. In that order
On March 20 2015 04:34 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred is mafia because his scumreads are:
1) a guy he has had a read on before he can have a read on them, apparently now he agrees with what guy another person is scummy but still this guy has said nothing in value
2) another guy who scumread a third guy for the same reasons he did
##vote Damdred Isn't this the thing that Palmar pointed out earlier?
I can summon VE oO
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Him being mafia is a good reason to lynch him.
But I'm not entirely mad about an Artanis vote either.
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I want to say it's gotten better because of your critical thinking about your points on me and realizing that I'm town but I fear that you're just pandering towards me. Need some time and food to make up my mind.
Like, I'm pretty sure there's got to be mafia among all those "meh toad reads weird" people trying to start that (Palmar) and the people just agreeing for no particular reason. At the same time I'm apparently looking better now and everyone's backing up so it's somewhat likely mafia is trying to get off that train as well. Idk it's pretty confusing atm.
VE said he thinks his own play was short but sweet but I actually can't even remember anything he said so far.
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On March 20 2015 05:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wait, Toad, are you saying you're nullreading VE too? I guess you're scum with me then.
Do I get some kind of present or welcoming gift as the newest addition to team mafia?
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So after successfully summoning VE he just disappears to do nothing and only look worse in terms of lurking?...
Jokes on you VE, you're mafia when you look townish and town when you look mafiaish. So you're fine I guess.
I'm going to get a crapton of shit for this but that's how you read VE and you guys are just to scared to say it out loud. Deal with it.
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someone sum up for me what Palmar has done so far in the last 24 hours that isn't "I'm not trolling as mafia!"
I'm asking you to do it to make a point here
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the lack of talk about michiru is unreal
Kato >>> Utaha/Michiru > Eiriri > whatshernameagain-childhoodfriend
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woops wrong thread 
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last post before going to bed after watching something with a friend (as you might have figured out by my post in wrong thread lol):
So the most important thing for me today is actually that thing from Artanis and HF that completly contradicts itself while both come to the same conclusion. You could say the same about some stuff Palmar wrote if you're willing to take him seriously. This to me shows that there clearly was mafia pushing me earlier in the day for the sake of pushing me or at least fosing me just to fit in.
We should be looking into that direction tomorrow and see you then.
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Holy crap 25 pages I have to read... so anyways here's where I'm at for the day withouth reading that yet but having thought about what I already know:
Starting with obvious things that don't need that much explanation because duh, it's in my filter:
Palmar is mafia
Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet.
Rayn just plain does nothing. Okay that's an exaggeration but I've been sitting here for 24 hours and more, trying to not mention him because putting pressure on him is the wrong way to figure out his alignment. He just gets angry and the game becomes unplayable as he throws a tantrum. That being said I tried not to do that and from what I've seen he wasn't bullied by other people either, the closest thing being HF mentioning him a lot but even in that case it felt like HF was almost ignoring him so he had all the space he can ask for. And still I don't see anything a town!Rayn would do here. I'd expect him to be kicking and screaming out of his lungs having found at least one 100% mafia by now and how we all need to do what he wants and we're all terrible for not realizing that his scumread is 100% confirmed. I just don't see it. Yes he apparently has some reads but the kick is missing.
on to people I havn't realy read and it's more of a gut-read:
SL I still feel very strongly about just being a lynchbait. I don't even have a read on him, he's pretty much null for me but I just don't see this emoticon thing being a thing. The reason for which he got a target early on was stupid and I think he among myself was the easy (easier) place to dump votes onto for mafia or start a mislynch. I'm not going to lynch that unless someone shows me something big that happened in the last 25 pages about him.
Damdred/Vivax/LS, Damdred actually feels decent in my books even though he's feeling under the radar. Not sure why, but I like the way he's posting with not the slightest care&fear in the world. Would not want to lynch that today.
Vivax feels very odd. Same slightly under the radar feel despite actually having a decent filter (which is a bad sign) but he at the same time just doesn't feel right like damdred does. If we're going for a lurker / under the radar.
LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts.
So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now. Maybe some of the other guys that I havn't bothered looking into yet. Can't remember a thing Onegu or breshke have said for that matter. But that's my stance for now and I'll start reading o/
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On March 21 2015 01:54 Palmar wrote:
Can you stop calling me mafia Toad. I really cba with it right now.
höhöhö, funny feeling, isn't it?
How about I keep saying it another 20 times or so?
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do I actually have to respond to Palmar and Rayn here in fears of the bullshit sticking somewhere or can I keep on reading the 25 pages I havn't read yet?
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I'm trusting you to defend me and not let the shit stick anywhere!
You have my permission to call me town and I won't consider it a mafiatrait this time around.
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On March 21 2015 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 02:08 Alakaslam wrote:On March 21 2015 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2015 02:04 Toadesstern wrote:
do I actually have to respond to Palmar and Rayn here in fears of the bullshit sticking somewhere or can I keep on reading the 25 pages I havn't read yet? Oh hey you made a scumcase on me while not even having to read the thread. gj scum. Neither of you is convincing me of anything with this kind of stuff, so nyeh. makes a case on me. says he hasn't read 40 pages of the thread.
On March 21 2015 02:04 Toadesstern wrote:
do I actually have to respond to Palmar and Rayn here in fears of the bullshit sticking somewhere or can I keep on reading the 25 pages I havn't read yet?
this is easy enough to respond to while reading o/
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