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On March 29 2015 10:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 10:04 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:59 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:55 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:48 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:40 ritoky wrote:
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I said, and maintain; that I will gladly get PoE lynched if people add damdred to the PoE list in place of someone else. not a soul outside of me has done so yet. Convince me someone is more town in my PoE 5 than Damdred and I will. tell me why damdred is town first. I mean people seem to have an unimpeachable TR on him and no1 has ever said why. Effort and detail in analysis. He's made multiple posts in a style I've never seen him do as mafia. I've also thought on one line with him a few times this game early on. He's made two vote count analyses which are the biggest posts in his filter and they look quite good, you should be able to find them fairly quickly. I can pretty much sum a lot of my rebuttal to this up by saying: Imperial Mafia. This is a bad metric to read him on, and I find none of it compelling. I have looked through his filter. Although I am not as sure as before on him. I have softened a bit. That said, if damdred is mafia, he is 100% with Onegu. I was scum with him in Imperial and I find that he's definitely playing beyond that right now. In Imperial, he was always hanging a bit in the danger zone, and I don't think he ever created an analysis like he has this game. I'll look it up just to make sure though. I was also scum with you two, which is why I find it hard to see you believing what you're typing lol. Maybe it's a lost in translation thing, or maybe my read is superior. Have you thoroughly gone into the analysis he's done though? I find it extremely hard to imagine he can fake that as scum. Also what's with this soft accusing thing I highlighted? I'll ask again: What is your read on me? damdred has taken up copying a couple of my metrics that I do in terms of vote analysis...which I actually haven't been keeping track of this game for the first time in forever. it has improved both his town analysis and his fake analysis as scum imo. recency thing So you're telling me to look at Imperial. I look at Imperial and see it's inferior to what he's done here, then you tell me he's improved it? You can't have it both ways. Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 10:06 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:50 ritoky wrote:
artanis I just think you're really wrong here. partially from a game perspective and partially from a procedural perspective. I would lynch the red check without hesitation. And I think you're really wrong here because you're describing the only play mafia could make to win if they're all in PoE and for some reason you want to give them that chance when I'm over 95% certain on every townread of mine besides MAYBE Damdred. I'm not going to ignore the strength of these reads and the desparation mafia would have based on a single redcheck, that's ridiculous. you have a list of 5. say you're correct, and say every person outside the 5 agrees to lynch that PoE list (which is largely the case of this game). doesn't that create a 0% chance of mafia victory if all of them are in that pool? is my math wrong here? which means either mafia has to make a play surrounding the orb OR you have to be wrong somewhere. assuming mafia has the orb. Doesn't your argument suggest that we should always lynch into the person making the claim if they're in PoE yourself? Why did you argue otherwise earlier?
I meant for effort and tone look at imperial, that isn't compelling at all.
okay, here's the scenario: scum has orb. scum is all in PoE. PoE scum claims orb red check on non-PoE player. that is the play I am referring to. did we have confusion somewhere along the line? And my play suggests that since a play with the orb wasn't made that either a townie is trying to be cute or that your PoE is wrong somewhere.
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Referendum to everyone in the game:
I have now been playing longer than Rayn was playing. If you make a read on my slot and it includes more about Rayn than about me, I will not address it in the slightest and regard it as uninformed baby spittle.
LOOKING AT YOU SUPERBIA
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Sure ritoky but based on ppost counts and importance your rayn part is much more important
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I need to go to sleep soon. Ritoky, from your perspective, if you're town, Rayn fakeclaiming Tracker and not getting RBed (seemingly) nor getting put KP on should influence your reads. From your perspective, a confirmed town fake claimed a cop role and did not get answered whatsoever. In fact, they chose to roleblock a Vigi. Why are you not questioning this vigi?
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On March 29 2015 10:42 Superbia wrote:
I need to go to sleep soon. Ritoky, from your perspective, if you're town, Rayn fakeclaiming Tracker and not getting RBed (seemingly) nor getting put KP on should influence your reads. From your perspective, a confirmed town fake claimed a cop role and did not get answered whatsoever. In fact, they chose to roleblock a Vigi. Why are you not questioning this vigi?
no idea what you're talking about. didn't read any of it. and why should my predecessor's retarded play influence my reads? he did a bunch of stupid shit and ppl wanted to lynch him. only thing that informs my opinion is my role pm and reads.
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Canada11355 Posts
saw my acronym bolded so I will respond to this before I read the post
FF, kindly explain your read on me. Why did you think I was scum or a PR? What gave it away? You said earlier on that your read on me involves calling me mafia, how did that read progress?
Part 1: superbia doesn't ping me out early on, this leads me to lean mafia on him until I converse with him
Part 2: After initiating banter about superbia being mafia, superbia acted more defensively than I feel was necessary.
Part 3: Superbia disappears for a while in the midgame
Part 4: after being on the poe list for a while superbia finally starts doing real stuff
That's pretty much it
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On March 29 2015 10:50 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 10:42 Superbia wrote:
I need to go to sleep soon. Ritoky, from your perspective, if you're town, Rayn fakeclaiming Tracker and not getting RBed (seemingly) nor getting put KP on should influence your reads. From your perspective, a confirmed town fake claimed a cop role and did not get answered whatsoever. In fact, they chose to roleblock a Vigi. Why are you not questioning this vigi? no idea what you're talking about. didn't read any of it. and why should my predecessor's retarded play influence my reads? he did a bunch of stupid shit and ppl wanted to lynch him. only thing that informs my opinion is my role pm and reads.
1. Rayn claims tracker at EoD1, no CCs.
2. Vivax claims Vigi at EoD1, toad CCs.
[NIGHT]
3. Vigi targets are discussed. Slam is brought up. VE is half brought up. Both are town.
[NIGHT RESOLVES, and 2 KP is revealed]
4. Toads KP (seemingly) goes through on VE.
5. Vivax claims to be RBed, as his KP did not go through on slam.
6. RSO claims jailkeep on Onegu. <- suspected KP reduction.
Now, you have to ask yourself: why did scum not do anything about rayn who claimed tracker? A number of options:
1. Onegu is scum, and was carrying KP on rayn. The jailkeeper action from RSO prevented him from delivering KP.
2. Vivax is scum, and it was in scum's favor to forego the roleblock so they could explain the lack of KP.
3. Scum had a god-read on rayn, and were confident enough to let an un-cced tracker go unchecked into the night.
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On March 29 2015 10:52 Fecalfeast wrote:saw my acronym bolded so I will respond to this before I read the post Show nested quote +FF, kindly explain your read on me. Why did you think I was scum or a PR? What gave it away? You said earlier on that your read on me involves calling me mafia, how did that read progress? Part 1: superbia doesn't ping me out early on, this leads me to lean mafia on him until I converse with him Part 2: After initiating banter about superbia being mafia, superbia acted more defensively than I feel was necessary. Part 3: Superbia disappears for a while in the midgame Part 4: after being on the poe list for a while superbia finally starts doing real stuff That's pretty much it
I need to do shit because the game is going to shit and miss-lynching me basically loses you guys the game. Honestly, if I ever get lynched at any point during the game I think town loses the game. I don't have much faith in you guys solving the game post-flip, especially given how many people are scum-reading me and are willing to lynch me. My town-flip is going to give no info. Like if it was up to me I'd be playing Pillars all the way through, but I can't just abandon town in this position.
Your read on me sux. :D
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I've been sayin onegu is scum forever?
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On March 29 2015 10:58 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 10:50 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 10:42 Superbia wrote:
I need to go to sleep soon. Ritoky, from your perspective, if you're town, Rayn fakeclaiming Tracker and not getting RBed (seemingly) nor getting put KP on should influence your reads. From your perspective, a confirmed town fake claimed a cop role and did not get answered whatsoever. In fact, they chose to roleblock a Vigi. Why are you not questioning this vigi? no idea what you're talking about. didn't read any of it. and why should my predecessor's retarded play influence my reads? he did a bunch of stupid shit and ppl wanted to lynch him. only thing that informs my opinion is my role pm and reads. 1. Rayn claims tracker at EoD1, no CCs. 2. Vivax claims Vigi at EoD1, toad CCs. [NIGHT] 3. Vigi targets are discussed. Slam is brought up. VE is half brought up. Both are town. [NIGHT RESOLVES, and 2 KP is revealed] 4. Toads KP (seemingly) goes through on VE. 5. Vivax claims to be RBed, as his KP did not go through on slam. 6. RSO claims jailkeep on Onegu. <- suspected KP reduction. Now, you have to ask yourself: why did scum not do anything about rayn who claimed tracker? A number of options: 1. Onegu is scum, and was carrying KP on rayn. The jailkeeper action from RSO prevented him from delivering KP. 2. Vivax is scum, and it was in scum's favor to forego the roleblock so they could explain the lack of KP. 3. Scum had a god-read on rayn, and were confident enough to let an un-cced tracker go unchecked into the night.
1gu is higher on my list than you now
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I see three practical possibilities for the Night 1 KP.
Assuming that Onegu, Vivax, and Toadesstern town, we know that Onegu was shot. At this point, I am fine with these assumptions (though Onegu could still possibly be mafia).
1. Raynpelikoneet is mafia (this is obvious, as a claimed tracker, he should have been shot)
2. Scum has two roleblockers
3. Scum was scared enough of the Holyflare/Onegu mason pair that they wanted to kill both (preventing any sort of "if I die" post from the mason QT beign posted), more scared of this than a tracker
Is it likely that scum has two roleblockers in this game? And also, what were Holyflare's final stances on people?
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On March 29 2015 13:24 Trfel wrote:
I see three practical possibilities for the Night 1 KP.
Assuming that Onegu town,
you lost me
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On March 29 2015 10:58 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 10:50 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 10:42 Superbia wrote:
I need to go to sleep soon. Ritoky, from your perspective, if you're town, Rayn fakeclaiming Tracker and not getting RBed (seemingly) nor getting put KP on should influence your reads. From your perspective, a confirmed town fake claimed a cop role and did not get answered whatsoever. In fact, they chose to roleblock a Vigi. Why are you not questioning this vigi? no idea what you're talking about. didn't read any of it. and why should my predecessor's retarded play influence my reads? he did a bunch of stupid shit and ppl wanted to lynch him. only thing that informs my opinion is my role pm and reads. 1. Rayn claims tracker at EoD1, no CCs. 2. Vivax claims Vigi at EoD1, toad CCs. [NIGHT] 3. Vigi targets are discussed. Slam is brought up. VE is half brought up. Both are town. [NIGHT RESOLVES, and 2 KP is revealed] 4. Toads KP (seemingly) goes through on VE. 5. Vivax claims to be RBed, as his KP did not go through on slam. 6. RSO claims jailkeep on Onegu. <- suspected KP reduction. Now, you have to ask yourself: why did scum not do anything about rayn who claimed tracker? A number of options: 1. Onegu is scum, and was carrying KP on rayn. The jailkeeper action from RSO prevented him from delivering KP. 2. Vivax is scum, and it was in scum's favor to forego the roleblock so they could explain the lack of KP. 3. Scum had a god-read on rayn, and were confident enough to let an un-cced tracker go unchecked into the night.
Granted that Rayn was yelling about how I am 100% confirmed mafia and need some lynching comming for me that is actually a pretty decent explanation right there...
The 2nd one seems pretty unlikely, the first one is certainly possible.
Why point this out without comming to a conclusion or at least leading some way on how you think about it? If anything this gives us more confusion about what you think while making it look like you do something while all you do is point out the obvious.
I'll put my vote down for now.
##vote superbia
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On March 27 2015 07:39 ritoky wrote:
voting onegu because flat out i just think he and damdred are scum, and i am not sold on slam...even though a lot of my town are...damdred and breshke's movement in the votes bugs me
ritoky did you ever follow up on this. Specifically regarding my vote swtiching. I know you have said a lot about damdred.
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Also iirc did rayn not say in thread that he was going tot rack one of the vigis? If both vigis are town then mafia wouldn't care about him
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On March 29 2015 18:03 Breshke wrote:
Also iirc did rayn not say in thread that he was going tot rack one of the vigis? If both vigis are town then mafia wouldn't care about him
yeah he did. I was actually quite surprised that he tracked Vivax instead of me considering how hard he tunneled me but he did in fact go back and say he'll pick one of us two (instead of just picking me).
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or well, claimed to have tracked Vivax
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So I dont understand how any of superbias analysis is useful then because if he said he was going to track a vigi then scum wouldn't have cared about him.
I also find the logic weird from superbia that my read might be TMI on him because everyone else thinks he is scum. Then he goes on to say that everyones read on him sucks because he is town. He is also scumming me because he thinks i lurk before deadline even if you check my timezone you can see that deadline is early for me. Feels like he is running out of people to push lynches onto so is now going after me. The problem is this could still be town superbia just POEing and getting it wrong.
I also really dislike that ritoky comments that he doesn't like my vote swap even after i explained it yet never went back to it or said anything else about it,
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On March 29 2015 10:25 ritoky wrote:
Referendum to everyone in the game:
I have now been playing longer than Rayn was playing. If you make a read on my slot and it includes more about Rayn than about me, I will not address it in the slightest and regard it as uninformed baby spittle.
LOOKING AT YOU SUPERBIA
Area ou ok with me sticking to my read on Rayn?
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On March 29 2015 13:24 Trfel wrote:
I see three practical possibilities for the Night 1 KP.
Assuming that Onegu, Vivax, and Toadesstern town, we know that Onegu was shot. At this point, I am fine with these assumptions (though Onegu could still possibly be mafia).
1. Raynpelikoneet is mafia (this is obvious, as a claimed tracker, he should have been shot)
2. Scum has two roleblockers
3. Scum was scared enough of the Holyflare/Onegu mason pair that they wanted to kill both (preventing any sort of "if I die" post from the mason QT beign posted), more scared of this than a tracker
Is it likely that scum has two roleblockers in this game? And also, what were Holyflare's final stances on people?
Scum have only flipped goon so far and we are assuming 2 town vigi, plausible there are two scum RB
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