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On March 29 2015 09:29 ritoky wrote:
if scum has orb and in PoE group, wouldn't it be in scum's interest to claim the orb post night phase to try and use it as a mechanism to buy cred? or claim you had orb and got rb'd? would that gain them anything....hrm...
I already brought up orb wifom things during EoN, could've scared scum off from claiming anything if they had the orb.
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On March 29 2015 09:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:29 ritoky wrote:
if scum has orb and in PoE group, wouldn't it be in scum's interest to claim the orb post night phase to try and use it as a mechanism to buy cred? or claim you had orb and got rb'd? would that gain them anything....hrm... I already brought up orb wifom things during EoN, could've scared scum off from claiming anything if they had the orb.
yes but what I am saying is that if scum is truly in the dumpster and in the PoE list, then why wouldn't they make any play available to gain cred?
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Anyway my carpet bomb strategy prefers Ritoky going all out on figuring Damdred out then lynching Ritoky and seeing if there's any reason to worry. This is further bolstered by the fact that Ritoky first agreed, then (if scum) realized that he'd have to flip scum for it, flips his thoughts and flips his read on me on something that is pretty much null (I'm pretty sure he had a townread on me until that point), asks Vivax about the plan (why Vivax specifically?) and flips his tunnel on Damdred (90 mentions) entirely.
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On March 29 2015 09:32 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:29 ritoky wrote:
if scum has orb and in PoE group, wouldn't it be in scum's interest to claim the orb post night phase to try and use it as a mechanism to buy cred? or claim you had orb and got rb'd? would that gain them anything....hrm... I already brought up orb wifom things during EoN, could've scared scum off from claiming anything if they had the orb. yes but what I am saying is that if scum is truly in the dumpster and in the PoE list, then why wouldn't they make any play available to gain cred?
What could they claim that could gain them cred? The kill went through, any VT claim on anyone would just connect them.
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On March 29 2015 09:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Anyway my carpet bomb strategy prefers Ritoky going all out on figuring Damdred out then lynching Ritoky and seeing if there's any reason to worry. This is further bolstered by the fact that Ritoky first agreed, then (if scum) realized that he'd have to flip scum for it, flips his thoughts and flips his read on me on something that is pretty much null (I'm pretty sure he had a townread on me until that point), asks Vivax about the plan (why Vivax specifically?) and flips his tunnel on Damdred (90 mentions) entirely.
I said, and maintain; that I will gladly get PoE lynched if people add damdred to the PoE list in place of someone else. not a soul outside of me has done so yet.
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On March 29 2015 09:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:32 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:29 ritoky wrote:
if scum has orb and in PoE group, wouldn't it be in scum's interest to claim the orb post night phase to try and use it as a mechanism to buy cred? or claim you had orb and got rb'd? would that gain them anything....hrm... I already brought up orb wifom things during EoN, could've scared scum off from claiming anything if they had the orb. yes but what I am saying is that if scum is truly in the dumpster and in the PoE list, then why wouldn't they make any play available to gain cred? What could they claim that could gain them cred? The kill went through, any VT claim on anyone would just connect them.
you think scum is in your PoE, this means scum must be in a 0 win position if the current state of the game proceeds. from this position, if scum had the orb they would utilize it to curry favor or make a desperation play red checking someone who would throw the game into chaos.
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On March 29 2015 09:40 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Anyway my carpet bomb strategy prefers Ritoky going all out on figuring Damdred out then lynching Ritoky and seeing if there's any reason to worry. This is further bolstered by the fact that Ritoky first agreed, then (if scum) realized that he'd have to flip scum for it, flips his thoughts and flips his read on me on something that is pretty much null (I'm pretty sure he had a townread on me until that point), asks Vivax about the plan (why Vivax specifically?) and flips his tunnel on Damdred (90 mentions) entirely. I said, and maintain; that I will gladly get PoE lynched if people add damdred to the PoE list in place of someone else. not a soul outside of me has done so yet.
Convince me someone is more town in my PoE 5 than Damdred and I will.
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On March 29 2015 09:41 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:32 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:29 ritoky wrote:
if scum has orb and in PoE group, wouldn't it be in scum's interest to claim the orb post night phase to try and use it as a mechanism to buy cred? or claim you had orb and got rb'd? would that gain them anything....hrm... I already brought up orb wifom things during EoN, could've scared scum off from claiming anything if they had the orb. yes but what I am saying is that if scum is truly in the dumpster and in the PoE list, then why wouldn't they make any play available to gain cred? What could they claim that could gain them cred? The kill went through, any VT claim on anyone would just connect them. you think scum is in your PoE, this means scum must be in a 0 win position if the current state of the game proceeds. from this position, if scum had the orb they would utilize it to curry favor or make a desperation play red checking someone who would throw the game into chaos.
The orb can't red check anyone, just rolecheck. Any mafia in PoE claiming a red check on someone outside of PoE would get lynched first anyway. Mafia could still think they can win if they eliminate the most vocal townies and convince the more paranoid ones to lynch with them.
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On March 29 2015 09:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:41 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:32 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:29 ritoky wrote:
if scum has orb and in PoE group, wouldn't it be in scum's interest to claim the orb post night phase to try and use it as a mechanism to buy cred? or claim you had orb and got rb'd? would that gain them anything....hrm... I already brought up orb wifom things during EoN, could've scared scum off from claiming anything if they had the orb. yes but what I am saying is that if scum is truly in the dumpster and in the PoE list, then why wouldn't they make any play available to gain cred? What could they claim that could gain them cred? The kill went through, any VT claim on anyone would just connect them. you think scum is in your PoE, this means scum must be in a 0 win position if the current state of the game proceeds. from this position, if scum had the orb they would utilize it to curry favor or make a desperation play red checking someone who would throw the game into chaos. The orb can't red check anyone, just rolecheck. Any mafia in PoE claiming a red check on someone outside of PoE would get lynched first anyway. Mafia could still think they can win if they eliminate the most vocal townies and convince the more paranoid ones to lynch with them.
isn't any role outside of the claimed ones now essentially a red check? and why the hell would you lynch someone red checking someone before the red check? the fuck? that is just procedurally wrong outside of lylo.
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On March 29 2015 09:45 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:41 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:32 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:29 ritoky wrote:
if scum has orb and in PoE group, wouldn't it be in scum's interest to claim the orb post night phase to try and use it as a mechanism to buy cred? or claim you had orb and got rb'd? would that gain them anything....hrm... I already brought up orb wifom things during EoN, could've scared scum off from claiming anything if they had the orb. yes but what I am saying is that if scum is truly in the dumpster and in the PoE list, then why wouldn't they make any play available to gain cred? What could they claim that could gain them cred? The kill went through, any VT claim on anyone would just connect them. you think scum is in your PoE, this means scum must be in a 0 win position if the current state of the game proceeds. from this position, if scum had the orb they would utilize it to curry favor or make a desperation play red checking someone who would throw the game into chaos. The orb can't red check anyone, just rolecheck. Any mafia in PoE claiming a red check on someone outside of PoE would get lynched first anyway. Mafia could still think they can win if they eliminate the most vocal townies and convince the more paranoid ones to lynch with them. isn't any role outside of the claimed ones now essentially a red check? and why the hell would you lynch someone red checking someone before the red check? the fuck? that is just procedurally wrong outside of lylo.
Yeah, probably, that part was semantics. As for the other question: Because it's the only play mafia can make if they are indeed in PoE. It's the obvious play to make so of course we lynch the one claiming inside PoE first.
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Normally you lynch the person outside of PoE first, but given how far the game has progressed and how solved it appears to be, it's much more likely for mafia inside the PoE group to make a play than for someone outside of the PoE group to actually be mafia.
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On March 29 2015 09:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:40 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Anyway my carpet bomb strategy prefers Ritoky going all out on figuring Damdred out then lynching Ritoky and seeing if there's any reason to worry. This is further bolstered by the fact that Ritoky first agreed, then (if scum) realized that he'd have to flip scum for it, flips his thoughts and flips his read on me on something that is pretty much null (I'm pretty sure he had a townread on me until that point), asks Vivax about the plan (why Vivax specifically?) and flips his tunnel on Damdred (90 mentions) entirely. I said, and maintain; that I will gladly get PoE lynched if people add damdred to the PoE list in place of someone else. not a soul outside of me has done so yet. Convince me someone is more town in my PoE 5 than Damdred and I will.
tell me why damdred is town first. I mean people seem to have an unimpeachable TR on him and no1 has ever said why.
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artanis I just think you're really wrong here. partially from a game perspective and partially from a procedural perspective. I would lynch the red check without hesitation.
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On March 29 2015 09:48 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:40 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Anyway my carpet bomb strategy prefers Ritoky going all out on figuring Damdred out then lynching Ritoky and seeing if there's any reason to worry. This is further bolstered by the fact that Ritoky first agreed, then (if scum) realized that he'd have to flip scum for it, flips his thoughts and flips his read on me on something that is pretty much null (I'm pretty sure he had a townread on me until that point), asks Vivax about the plan (why Vivax specifically?) and flips his tunnel on Damdred (90 mentions) entirely. I said, and maintain; that I will gladly get PoE lynched if people add damdred to the PoE list in place of someone else. not a soul outside of me has done so yet. Convince me someone is more town in my PoE 5 than Damdred and I will. tell me why damdred is town first. I mean people seem to have an unimpeachable TR on him and no1 has ever said why.
Effort and detail in analysis. He's made multiple posts in a style I've never seen him do as mafia. I've also thought on one line with him a few times this game early on. He's made two vote count analyses which are the biggest posts in his filter and they look quite good, you should be able to find them fairly quickly.
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On March 29 2015 09:22 sicklucker wrote:
Like breskes mia here while signing up for a new game. Im fairly certain he flips scum here alot
What game have i signed up for? If you are referring to the newbie game i signed up for that before i signed up for this game so not sure if that is what you are referring to.
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On March 29 2015 09:50 ritoky wrote:
artanis I just think you're really wrong here. partially from a game perspective and partially from a procedural perspective. I would lynch the red check without hesitation.
And I think you're really wrong here because you're describing the only play mafia could make to win if they're all in PoE and for some reason you want to give them that chance when I'm over 95% certain on every townread of mine besides MAYBE Damdred. I'm not going to ignore the strength of these reads and the desparation mafia would have based on a single redcheck, that's ridiculous.
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I also still want an explanation for this.
On March 29 2015 09:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Anyway my carpet bomb strategy prefers Ritoky going all out on figuring Damdred out then lynching Ritoky and seeing if there's any reason to worry. This is further bolstered by the fact that Ritoky first agreed, then (if scum) realized that he'd have to flip scum for it, flips his thoughts and flips his read on me on something that is pretty much null (I'm pretty sure he had a townread on me until that point), asks Vivax about the plan (why Vivax specifically?) and flips his tunnel on Damdred (90 mentions) entirely.
And your read on me right now.
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On March 29 2015 09:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:48 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:40 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Anyway my carpet bomb strategy prefers Ritoky going all out on figuring Damdred out then lynching Ritoky and seeing if there's any reason to worry. This is further bolstered by the fact that Ritoky first agreed, then (if scum) realized that he'd have to flip scum for it, flips his thoughts and flips his read on me on something that is pretty much null (I'm pretty sure he had a townread on me until that point), asks Vivax about the plan (why Vivax specifically?) and flips his tunnel on Damdred (90 mentions) entirely. I said, and maintain; that I will gladly get PoE lynched if people add damdred to the PoE list in place of someone else. not a soul outside of me has done so yet. Convince me someone is more town in my PoE 5 than Damdred and I will. tell me why damdred is town first. I mean people seem to have an unimpeachable TR on him and no1 has ever said why. Effort and detail in analysis. He's made multiple posts in a style I've never seen him do as mafia. I've also thought on one line with him a few times this game early on. He's made two vote count analyses which are the biggest posts in his filter and they look quite good, you should be able to find them fairly quickly.
I can pretty much sum a lot of my rebuttal to this up by saying: Imperial Mafia. This is a bad metric to read him on, and I find none of it compelling. I have looked through his filter. Although I am not as sure as before on him. I have softened a bit. That said, if damdred is mafia, he is 100% with Onegu.
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On March 29 2015 09:55 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:48 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 29 2015 09:40 ritoky wrote:On March 29 2015 09:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Anyway my carpet bomb strategy prefers Ritoky going all out on figuring Damdred out then lynching Ritoky and seeing if there's any reason to worry. This is further bolstered by the fact that Ritoky first agreed, then (if scum) realized that he'd have to flip scum for it, flips his thoughts and flips his read on me on something that is pretty much null (I'm pretty sure he had a townread on me until that point), asks Vivax about the plan (why Vivax specifically?) and flips his tunnel on Damdred (90 mentions) entirely. I said, and maintain; that I will gladly get PoE lynched if people add damdred to the PoE list in place of someone else. not a soul outside of me has done so yet. Convince me someone is more town in my PoE 5 than Damdred and I will. tell me why damdred is town first. I mean people seem to have an unimpeachable TR on him and no1 has ever said why. Effort and detail in analysis. He's made multiple posts in a style I've never seen him do as mafia. I've also thought on one line with him a few times this game early on. He's made two vote count analyses which are the biggest posts in his filter and they look quite good, you should be able to find them fairly quickly. I can pretty much sum a lot of my rebuttal to this up by saying: Imperial Mafia. This is a bad metric to read him on, and I find none of it compelling. I have looked through his filter. Although I am not as sure as before on him. I have softened a bit. That said, if damdred is mafia, he is 100% with Onegu.
I was scum with him in Imperial and I find that he's definitely playing beyond that right now. In Imperial, he was always hanging a bit in the danger zone, and I don't think he ever created an analysis like he has this game. I'll look it up just to make sure though.
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On March 29 2015 09:51 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2015 09:22 sicklucker wrote:
Like breskes mia here while signing up for a new game. Im fairly certain he flips scum here alot What game have i signed up for? If you are referring to the newbie game i signed up for that before i signed up for this game so not sure if that is what you are referring to.
So no orb?
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