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On March 27 2015 02:11 Toadesstern wrote: lesson learned: make your posts more pretty for people to care about them Trfel is GOAT at making his posts seem pretty, one has to say. | ||
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On March 27 2015 03:16 Vivax wrote: Quite but point is that I want Artanis to push for his lynch not just say "meh I'll vote Slam" and then watch as people do other stuff. Like I wanted that guy dead N1 and not just cause people threatened to lynch me if I didn't shoot him and I want to go into the grave knowing I exhausted that possibility when scum couldn't interfere. I'm too busy losing money, call me town and I may reconsider. | ||
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On March 27 2015 03:22 Vivax wrote: ... Your argumentation is fluid reads and activity and whatnot, but apparently you don't care enough to get your preference lynched???? I don't see "you're town" in there. | ||
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On March 27 2015 03:24 Vivax wrote: You're confirmed town if Slam flips scum AND you push him hard, that's the best I can give to you cause everything else would be refuting my own principles. Not good enough | ||
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Yeah I'm definitely not trying to have a little bit of fun by antagonizing Vivax, that certainly couldn't be it! | ||
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I can't decide who I want to bus, help pls | ||
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Breshke: On March 26 2015 10:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay after checking Breshke's scumgames he seems much more aggressive in them, calling people out and being very certain of himself which is in contrast to both his last two towngames and this game so he goes into townpile. Onegu: On March 25 2015 23:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay there's something in Onegu's tone I noticed in Neat & Tidy (mafia) that struck my eye because it felt very un-Oneguish. There's something that feels very defeatist about this, and it's formulated in a way very differently to how Onegu said he's fine with getting lynched this game. It feels more... theatrical, like he has to put on a show. Onegu this game has not felt like he's putting on a show at all. I think I'm going to go with town onegu for now. Fecal: On March 27 2015 00:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fecal's interaction with rso though reads quite genuine. The sudden "fuck you are town aren't you" popping up is something I can really imagine as town and would find hard to fake as scum. I guess it's possible to fake if you're aware that what you're pushing is definitely going nowhere but I think scum would try to find some excuse for it. Superbia: Fact that he actually started doubting his read on me after meta'ing me despite having thrown just about anything he could at me beforehand and that there's certainly stuff in Imperial that you could parallel to here if you searched hard enough if he wanted to paint me off as scummy. Slam: Basically other people's reads, I dunno how to read him for shit. | ||
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Today is between Onegu/Slam/Superbia/Fecal, maaaaybe Breshke. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Superbia | ||
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Yeah I dunno either. | ||
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On March 27 2015 05:03 ritoky wrote: eden, how strong is that read on superbia? cuz i kinda had the same no traction, and backing out of a read feelz that you did. Dunno about Eden but after what he posted I feel clarity and I'm quite sure Super will flip scum. | ||
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On March 26 2015 21:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So yeah. Superbia. 1. Tone Some GOAT player pointed this out as he posted it. It feels extremely self-conscious to add the "dumbtell" thing at the start immediately. 2. Goes after anyone that goes after him. 2.1 Me for pointing this out. + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2015 10:07 Superbia wrote: So, Artanis, do you want to take this opportunity to claim mafia? He goes after my poke for a little bit, gets called out for being a hypocrite and lets it go in a very weird way. On March 19 2015 10:18 Superbia wrote: Eh. Fair enough. I'm probably going to regret not pushing on this during post-game. But whatever. We'll see how your day progresses. He's going to regret not pushing me 2 hours into D1 for some dumb shit. Sounds more like setting himself up to go after me again. 2.2 Damdred for suspecting him + Show Spoiler + Damdred's initial suspicion of Super: On March 19 2015 22:22 Damdred wrote: Actually I really hate superbia currently. There was this point where the pressuring on trfel looked more dickish than town to a point. Like trfels night post and super said that's it, rubbed me the wrong way I suppose bit then when trfel stayed longer and posted more super was no where to be seen. Super is angry sounding as well.. Would lynch today Instant followup: On March 19 2015 22:38 Superbia wrote: Yo. Real quick, damdred is probable scum. I haven't really evaluated Vivax's alignment yet, though the whole thing looks pretty meh? I was never angry? I was having fun playing the game. Like Vivax, you even hinted to my scum game, why aren't you drawing any parallels? So, Damdred. Our reads have lined up pretty well, as can be told from my filter. We both had HF and Palmar as town early on. And Damdred had SL and trfel as scum. I was burying SL pretty hard yesterday (admittedly, maybe a bit too hard, but let's see what he brings today) and I was pushing on trfel, who you had as scum and according to your filter, were very unsure of. How is me pushing on trfel a scummy thing when you were leaning scum on him around the same time? Why isn't the thought process "well, I was scum-leaning on trfel as well, so I guess I can see where he's coming from"? Instead it is "trfel is town. Super pushed on him in a "dickish" way. He must be mafia". What? This doesn't line up at all with what is supposed to be your thought process. Why do we have similar reads if I'm mafia? Why am I burying SL so hard if, according to your world, we're mafia together? Btw. I was never angry. That is such fabricated nonsense. So Damdred is scum because Damdred shares Superbia's scumreads. Funny how Superbia forgets that it works exactly the other way around too. He also is under the impression that mafia never bus when he's bussed very strongly himself in the past. He emphasizes this first point again. On March 19 2015 23:07 Superbia wrote: It doesn't line up. You should be reading me town purely based on us having similar reads throughout the game. The fact that you don't know this but are still willing to call me mafia is alarming. Still oblivious to the irony. On March 20 2015 10:21 Superbia wrote: Eh, I can't help it. Just the way I post, I guess?  IDK. Maybe Damdred is the lazy town. I just feel very deeply and pretty strongly that he's the hidden mafia. So Rso basically mentions no arguments here, just that she feels Dammy gives her a townie feel but he's dropped off a bit and rather than trying to convince her of his arguments, he just goes... idk, maybe you're right. Maybe your townie feeling on him and that Damdred's dropped off a bit means he's town after all. After a few more arguments back and forth he decides... On March 20 2015 11:40 Superbia wrote: I'm not sure about damd atm. Also I missed this but Eden also says some good stuff. On March 20 2015 13:33 Eden1892 wrote: okay, this is the second time you've made the same logic error. i will explain again. if you make it a third time i will be forced to assume it's deliberate and respond accordingly. all of the following statements were contained in one post: - "damdred is probably my best pick for scum?" - "sicklucker is kind of meh" - "i am relatively certain 1 of them is scum, but i don't think both are" because these were all contained in one post, no one could have given input in-between any of these statements to change your relative certainty that one of them is scum. so taking this at face value, i do not understand why it is that you: - don't firmly conclude damdred is mafia - don't conclude that sicklucker isn't mafia - don't move your vote please explain why this inconsistency exists Superbia explains there these aren't absolute truths, but it's still weird that he doesn't act upon them. 3. Mentions a desire to lynch LS a lot but never does anything about it + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2015 10:34 Superbia wrote: LS is probably mafia. Active just before game. Inactive during game. On March 21 2015 05:59 Superbia wrote: Honestly? I think they're both town and that at least 2 mafia is lurking right now. I think LS is very likely among the lurking mafia. On March 21 2015 06:49 Superbia wrote: HF are you familiar with BM's meta? Like I'm willing to join the wagon but would prefer it to go on SL or LS, who I personally feel are mafia. Fuck the Ls and the Ss. On March 21 2015 07:30 Superbia wrote: Are you going to strongarm this BM lynch? I've asked multiple times regarding an SL or an LS wagon. Whatever. It's your fault if BM flips town though. On March 21 2015 07:35 Superbia wrote: Just ask yourself this one question: Where the fuck are SL and LS at? Also Slam? Then when it actually gets to it and it's a few hrs before lynch: On March 22 2015 05:56 Superbia wrote: All right, slam sounds like a pretty decent target at this point. What do you think about SL/LS? I know I've been shouting about them all EoD, but not much has changed (at least, not for me). Though maybe not LS because I might be shit at reading him (he always looks really mafia). I'm currently kinda looking at rso. I believe she has been leaning scum on me the entire game and has done seemingly nothing to further evaluate me. No real interaction or anything. I'm not really confident enough in calling for a vigi shot on her, however. Maybe Trfel? Whenever I see his name "may be scum" pops up in my head, but I'm not entire sure why. I don't think I've really interacted with him this game, except for maybe a few quips. I'm kind of scared of looking further at a second target tonight, since I'm reading like 3 scummy-ish people as PR. Suddenly Superbia doesn't really want to lynch him anymore when he becomes a legitimate target. 4. Vig Claims + Show Spoiler + This is what Superbia thinks about the vig claims at the time Vivax claims Vig. On March 21 2015 05:06 Superbia wrote: What? Rofl. This is the dumbest thing ever. Vig is the WORST thing to claim as mafia. Because other vig will just counterclaim and shoot the mafia. Changes quite quickly to.. On March 21 2015 05:23 Superbia wrote: I vehemently disagree. I think we need to evaluate either of you independently of the claim. Does mafia really claim vig here? Does mafia really CC vig? I honestly don't see either as likely. He went from scum would never claim vig because they can get counterclaimed to accepting that there are two vigis quite quickly. It's possible that he thought of this as town, but what I find more likely is that he KNEW they were both legit. Being right is very easy as mafia. There was no logic for a town player lying at this point, so both claims had to be legit. He also came up with the best solution for Mafia: On March 21 2015 05:18 Superbia wrote: I think we have the vigis shoot each other, right? This fucks us up so hard if they're both town, but I don't think we should spend lynches on this. Which he suggests DESPITE thinking both claims are town. He literally went over that a few minutes later. Purely pushing scum motivation. 5. LS part 2 + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2015 06:19 Superbia wrote: I think I'm a 100% on board. I would be okay with Breshke or SL as well. Bad, bad feelings. On March 21 2015 06:32 Superbia wrote: I'd be okay with this. I have literally no read on BM though. Can we default back to SL? Or maybe go on LS? Such arguments, much wow. Also, one thing to note is that he kept pairing LS (scum) and SL (99% Town) together. LS has been a peripheral scumread for Superbia all game long, but he never really pushed him. 6. Creating doubt on people in the town circle + Show Spoiler + Throughout the game but especially towards the later days, Superbia's been trying to cast doubt on players we consider townie. At first, it was me. Later it was Damdred, then later still it was Toad and once again myself. On March 25 2015 06:46 Superbia wrote: So 2 KP shown during the night means one of two things: 1. Mafia KP got reduced. 2. You (toad) are not the vigi. Note also that Toad happened to go after one of his theories a little bit before this. + Show Spoiler + On March 25 2015 06:45 Superbia wrote: Yeah but this play is way too obvious. Mafia never wants to be obvious. And then there's his case on me which is terrible and I've gone into before as it only proves I've been wrong and that I've changed my reads a lot. 7. His Slam is always mafia if the vigis are real idea + Show Spoiler + On March 25 2015 06:58 Superbia wrote: There were mason claims and a fake Tracker in rayn (iirc). I'm just speculating because I believe more information can be extracted from the NKs with 2 vigi claims. Let's eliminate the world in which both vigis are real, and slam is town: - Scum never RBs Vivax because: - You show 4 KP in the night (withholding a possible mafia vig shot), 4 town die, town suspects vigis due to possibility of mafia vig. Mafia probably wins game. Hence, if you believe both vigis, Slam is probably always mafia. He pushed this idea very strongly despite all of town going in against him. As Eden has mentioned, it suggests tmi. It's dumb as there's plenty of blues that can mess up actions and you don't know who the vigis will shoot, yet Superbia is convinced that it'd be the correct play for mafia to let both vigis shoot. Concluding Superbia is probably mafia because: 1. Tone 2. OMGUSed myself and Damdred then let it go for apparently no reason 3. Went after LS without actually ever giving reasons, softpushing him all game and combining him a lot with SL 4. Believed both Vig claims were town but wanted them to shoot eachother anyway 5. Switches to BM without trying to get anyone to actually lynch LS 6. Tries to create doubt on any players commonly considered town to gain extra mislynches 7. Seems to have TMI (probably worst point tho) ##Vote Superbia Also don't respond to the case except with "good case" and let him defend himself. | ||
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On March 27 2015 05:08 Damdred wrote: I'd vote super with you art. I just think Rayn was scun Save it for another day. Super is dying today. | ||
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I bet mafia is so pissed about the orb rofl | ||
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