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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
March 21 2015 21:53 GMT
#3981
For me the time has long come to shut up.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 21:53 GMT
#3982
On March 22 2015 06:51 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 06:50 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 22 2015 06:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Okay Eden you're the only one I'm trusting right now. I'm not going to shoot VE. Period. Take that as me being serious.
Do I shoot Onegu or do I listen to people?

listen to people

shoot slam since vivax hasn't confirmed he will and slam is a good shot

I spend like 2 hours to write this up and I'm pretty damn sure Onegu is mafia though

what the shit did you even write up
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 21 2015 21:54 GMT
#3983
On March 22 2015 06:51 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 06:50 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 22 2015 06:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Okay Eden you're the only one I'm trusting right now. I'm not going to shoot VE. Period. Take that as me being serious.
Do I shoot Onegu or do I listen to people?

listen to people

shoot slam since vivax hasn't confirmed he will and slam is a good shot

I spend like 2 hours to write this up and I'm pretty damn sure Onegu is mafia though


if you spent 2 hours writing 1 sentence then you gotta get help with some writing skills bro
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 21 2015 21:59 GMT
#3984
I'm off for now.
Minimal effort.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 21 2015 22:01 GMT
#3985
On March 22 2015 03:37 rsoultin wrote:

yay for some adjusted reads...i'm almost definitely wrong on at least one of my town leans, but i'm pretty sure of the top two categories and of course slam

confirmed town
BM
holyflare/onegu

super!town (but not confirmed)
toad - cc+filter, eat your heart out palmar
damdy! - dude has been in my brain most of the game o.0
fecalfeast
eden

town leans
lightningstrike - longer filter, more confident tone (he thinks i'd be scared of him if i was scum lolol)
vivax - (most likely of the vigis to be scum based on common sense, but like him at EoD)
breshke - posting while in-thread is good...just in general really good
trfel
rayn - lol >< i'm being female. filter looks better on a reread, though it's still not as robust as i'd expect so no super town for you xP
sicklucker - gut read...hard to explain lol but i'm never good at reading him

Null
artanis - kinda like damdy, thoughts matched up frequently...good filter length...problem is his scum game is good...will reread Day 2
palmar

scum leans
ExO_ - literally spent more time complaining about flip results than the entire rest of his filter
Superbia - static reads...weak reasons...comment assigning blame to HF pre-flip
VE - made so little impression + natural townie response to claim CC is so not the guy who CCd him is scum

lynch with fire!
Slam the Man - stated reasons plus not doing his usual find the towns method
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 21 2015 22:02 GMT
#3986
lol quoting myself, but that's actually my updated reads :/
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 21 2015 22:02 GMT
#3987
fuck you guys. Your fault for not lynching mafia yesterday. I'm doing what you guys tell me to do, it's not going to work, everyone's going to be mad and we're not getting mafia shot. No idea how people can be this stupid but if you want me to play along despite it being fucking bad play FINE, I'll shoot Slam... probably

I don't even care enough to put more effort into this at this point... just lynch him tomorrow and we see what happens with Slam tonight

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I'm back and first things first: Sorry I wasn't around in the last.... 16 or so hours. Things happened, I didn't exactly have the greatest day over here and I figured I did enough d1 to afk for a while during night and ... let's keep it at that. If someone here honestly wants to push the idea (I think it was Vivax or VE?) that I'm scummy for not caring during the night... whatever can't argue that in my position atm but I think it'd be a horrible argument after looking at my previous posts. I have at the very least shown that I do care and I wouldn't just go afk by choice as neither town nor mafia in this case so chances are I actually had something else more important going on.

That being said reason I'm making this post is to get some thoughtprocess in from my end of the line again and where I'm at because even if I had had time on my hands I would have flat out refused to give my open reads to the thread (that includes mafia!) during the night when I'm a claimed vig... This post however I'm 100%, completly open with no shenanigans in here, which I'll assume people won't like in this case either but anyways, here we go.

So the plan was to shoot Vivax while agreeing to shoot whoever you guys tell me to shoot. I know you might be in a tricky situation having to make a pick between Vivax and me but I'm not. I have my own alignment, which makes things a lot easier for me.
The reason for doing so is that if you guys tell me who to shoot I'll be 100% roleblocked if it's a mafiatarget (assuming mafia has an RB but I'll get into that later) anyways so I won't be able to shoot. The only possible outcome for shooting mafia to begin with is me agreeing to shoot a townie convincingly, Mafia thus deciding they won't RB me and I shoot Vivax anyways. That's essentially the reason I'm telling you about this right now: I just didn't have the time to do the "convincingly" part because look at paragraph 1 and this way idk.. not exactly feeling confident about my plan without putting in a decent amount of work first but there's no turning back here with 3 hours to deadline. Thus I at least give you this post! And as I write that I just made this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?page=187#3733 post. That's what I mean with "don't think that's convincingly"
///GOD DAMN IT I'M STUPID... why did I call the shot on HF instead of Onegu... HF is probably a legit shot for mafia and that's just confusion... should have mentioned Onegu instead from the get-go. FML I'm stupid... sorry... I should have thought this through one more second before pressing "send", just thought HF is the more obvious townie and didn't think about me maybe getting in troubles because of it because duh... I'm town right?...

So like I said, the situation's a bit easier for me because I do know my own alignment. I do know it's not a 50/50 between Vivax and me. And no there are no two townVigs. They're named after specific people (or so it seems, I never watched the show). That'd be like arguing there might be mutliple poison Ivy's in Arkham City or multiple jokers or multiple Batmans. It's just not going to happen. Vivax is not Drax.
One more thing about roles and role-balance here: The set-up has to make sense. To every role there's one or more pseudo-counterroles. If you have a cop in the game mafia is more likely to have a framer. If you have a Vig in the game mafia is more likely to have an RB or medic (though usually RB as that's the JOAT for mafia in this matter). Right?
So chances are pretty damn good mafia actually has an RB considering that there are no mafia-medics.

One more thing I mentioned earlier in that regard but didn't want to outright say in thread earlier. I asked for Cop on me at the beginning of the night (I think I at least ended up writing it out and not just thinking about it?) because:
I don't want a possible cop to claim. If he checks me, sees I'm green we go on like nothing happened. If he checks Vivax and finds him to be red chances are high we're making a cop claim for an already obvious lynch because "guys guys I got a red check on Vivax!"... which we don't want, thus me asking to be checked myself rather than Vivax.
Problem here being powerrole balance. I think it's really really really likely for mafia to have a framer if we have a cop, especially if we have 1 Vig on top of that. 1 RB is not enough to counter 1 cop and 1 vig. So IF we do have a cop mafia is bound to have a framer. I don't think it's a hard decision what to frame for mafia in this situation... either defensively frame Vivax hoping for a cop to check him and yell "checkeed vivax, he's green. Lynch Toad!" or the other way around on me making me red and hoping cop checks me like I asked.
Thing is, that's a null-tell either way. Literally 50% chance of the check to be correct and 50% chance of it to be exactly the opposite. Actually found the post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?page=161#3209
So if some one you want to misinterpret that into "Toad's scared of being cop-checked!"... I don't think I would have made that post if that'd be the case. I just came to the conclusion that the post was stupid

As I'm writing this for copy&paste later it's 4 hours to deadline and I'll probably refrain from posting until then. And I'm sure I'm going to get shit for this. Massive amounts of shit but this to me is best play here. Wether or not we get a repeat of D1 is based on wether or not I get RB'ed or not as well as wether or not Vivax is shooting me and again... I'm perfectly aware of the fact that from your pov it could just be the other way around, it could be Vivax that's town who get's RBed and it boils down to wether I shoot vivax or not but it just doesn't matter: I'm either killing mafia here and now because you gave me a towntarget or I got RB'ed. I literally don't see a world in which Vivax is townVig with the knowledge that I am Drax myself. I'm giving him the 1% chance to be some other kind of stupid townie with some convoluted plan that fakeclaimed Vig to get out of the lynch but really that's it. He's not a townVig.
If you gave Vivax a towntarget he's going to hit that to show how he played along nice and friendly. If you're giving him a mafiatarget he's not shooting and claiming to be rb'ed himself hoping for double RB claim because I got RB'ed as well. There's no way in which this plan works out the way it's intended and I'm banking everything I have here on the fact that antagonizing everyone here is the right play indeed and HF wanted Vivax + me to deal with it ourselves from the get-go just looking at who'd actually have the balls and go ahead to do so... Yes I'm certainly a guy that plays with balls when rolling mafia but I do not think I'd antagonize every single guy in this game with this post and my actions tonight as mafia. I'd take the easy road as mafia, claim I shot who I was supposed to shoot while claiming I got RBed myself if the target is mafia, pulling through if the target is town. And yes you can say "but Toad, how can we know that isn't exactly what you're doing right now".

That's the reason for this post. I would not tell you about this. I would quietly giggle, not give you people the information that mafia!Toad has and just be done with it instead of posting this huge wall of a million reasons to get mad at me for doing my own thing.
Vivax on the other hand has been completly open on his ideas and reads throughout the night and while that might sound awesome because that's always cool right? It is incredibly anti-town. There's no reason whatsoever to openly explain to mafia wether or not you want to follow the plan, there's no reason whatsoever to openly explain in detail who you think is mafia during night if you're a fucking claimed vig. You're giving mafia info about wether or not they need to RB you while town might appreciate the infodump but you might as well do it later and just take the heat for a second. Vivax isn't doing that becase he knows he's not going to be RB'ed and he wants to play along to not get any heat.
///edited in later". I asked him something in that direction in the thread and ever since he's apparently realized it himself and is doing all this crappy "MAYBE I'M DOING THIS, MAYBE I'M DOING THAT. WHO KNOWS". That does not count, he only did that after I pointed it out to him...

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Iif you guys honestly think it's in towns best interest to play with open hands during the night with a claimed vig there's something horribly wrong with you but hey, maybe I'll at least wifom mafia into making a hard decision if Slam is town

Or maybe I'll actually get shot who knows... I'm out
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 21 2015 22:04 GMT
#3988
inb4 people asking why I posted this instead of waiting another 50 minutes and just pull through:
HF is annoying and bad. Yes that's literally all the reason here. Have it your way HF, it's not going to work.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 21 2015 22:06 GMT
#3989
On March 22 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote:
HF isn't dying tonight <3. I have trust in that


Are 9th blue soft yippoeee
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
March 21 2015 22:06 GMT
#3990
So Toad still thinks I'm mafia O_o, wtf
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 21 2015 22:07 GMT
#3991
Of course he thinks your mafia wtf. You should think hes mafia the chance your both vegs while possible is still like under 10%
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 22:08 GMT
#3992
On March 22 2015 07:06 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote:
HF isn't dying tonight <3. I have trust in that


Are 9th blue soft yippoeee

what the fuck are you doing
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 21 2015 22:08 GMT
#3993
The vig is called by name. It's like someone claiming Batman in Arkham city and someone counterclaiming and people are "wait what if we have two fucking batmans"

you guys are horrible
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 21 2015 22:09 GMT
#3994
On March 22 2015 07:04 Toadesstern wrote:
inb4 people asking why I posted this instead of waiting another 50 minutes and just pull through:
HF is annoying and bad. Yes that's literally all the reason here. Have it your way HF, it's not going to work.


it was quite obvious what you were doing btw I was just playing along
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 22:09 GMT
#3995
On March 22 2015 07:08 Toadesstern wrote:
The vig is called by name. It's like someone claiming Batman in Arkham city and someone counterclaiming and people are "wait what if we have two fucking batmans"

you guys are horrible

i hear this, but last time i banked on logic like that, blazinghand was ACTUALLY the other jailer

and i don't know the flavor well enough to try to see whether or not there can be 2 drax's
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 21 2015 22:09 GMT
#3996
On March 22 2015 07:08 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 07:06 sicklucker wrote:
On March 22 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote:
HF isn't dying tonight <3. I have trust in that


Are 9th blue soft yippoeee

what the fuck are you doing


I MEAN HES PROBABLY NOT RLY THE MEDIC I DOUBT DANDREDS THAT DUMB ITS JUST SOME FUN WIFMO

calm

down
bro
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 21 2015 22:09 GMT
#3997
and the fact that the roles have names means nothing with how many of each role there is, it's purely flavour
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
March 21 2015 22:10 GMT
#3998
On March 22 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote:
Of course he thinks your mafia wtf. You should think hes mafia the chance your both vegs while possible is still like under 10%


I disagree, however if I'm out soon then I know I didn't waste this night.
Good to know you're popping in out of nowhere to tell us you already decided to push Toad tomorrow based on what he wrote jsut now
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 21 2015 22:11 GMT
#3999
Your welcome?
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 22:11 GMT
#4000
On March 22 2015 07:09 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 07:08 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 22 2015 07:06 sicklucker wrote:
On March 22 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote:
HF isn't dying tonight <3. I have trust in that


Are 9th blue soft yippoeee

what the fuck are you doing


I MEAN HES PROBABLY NOT RLY THE MEDIC I DOUBT DANDREDS THAT DUMB ITS JUST SOME FUN WIFMO

calm

down
bro

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