XXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+)
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she's saying you're bad. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + If you know what I mean+ Show Spoiler + ![]() + Show Spoiler + at mafia, that is, of course.+ Show Spoiler + What the hell were you thinking perv... | ||
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On March 08 2015 02:32 LightningStrike wrote: (Comes to the corner with rsoultin in it) You not that bad it just Palmar saying prplhz is bad and same with JAT. :D | ||
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a) his pearly white skin reminds me of snow white. b) he's easy to get drunk. | ||
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On March 09 2015 22:52 Damdred wrote: Palmar+Damdred as masons make it happen I approve of this. | ||
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On March 10 2015 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: This thread will probably reveal everyone's fantasies / preferred sex stuff. ![]() Challenge accepted. | ||
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Woopsie! | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: what? How do you possible read everyone who's posted so far as town? I don't have to read them, I'm mafia. | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well then everyone who's posted so far are not town are they? Shit! | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote: I am glad someone said it, cuz my wife certainly hasn't!!! HI-OHHHHHH sick self burn as if married people have sex. | ||
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Not married though. | ||
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On March 09 2015 16:34 rsoultin wrote: lolol >< apparently i'm scary ;o; On March 09 2015 15:10 rsoultin wrote: Rofl, sweetie you come to my place trying to fuck me up, you're the one who will end up in the ER ![]() /shrug | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote: Because I found your post funny? Sick read. I'm really killing it right now. | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:48 Onegu wrote: I'm so tired of rolling town this is like 5 games in a row. I'm VT, I'm now confirmed town. Koshi hasn't posted = confirmed scum ##Vote: Koshi ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:51 marvellosity wrote: hello all. I am in a fabulous mood. marv confirmed town | ||
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A big old school cupboard. | ||
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marv, are we not friends? | ||
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On March 10 2015 08:50 ritoky wrote: I would also like everyone's input on the pickle situation. Do people find pickles attractive? Or people eating pickles? If someone ate a pickle and then tried to kiss you, would you recoil? pickles are disgusting. On the other hand cucumbers are extremely versatile, fresh, delicious and sexy. | ||
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Proceed to eliminate. | ||
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I liked marv's entrance, it felt unforced. Aside from that he's been a bit shit, but nothing out of the ordinary. No reason to tunnel right now. Slightly leaning town. Onegu best player. I honestly have no idea what he is. prplhz has been mega shit. Like he's actually a really good shot at being mafia because he had literally nothing exciting to say when he entered the game. It wasn't even funny, and generally mafia tend to be far less funny than townies. rsoultin idk. I think I recall some semi-townie posts from early game. But I'm not gonna make a call one way or the other. JAT. Leaning mafia, but I always lean mafia on him. he's not a hard read though when the game picks up. If prplhz shows up I'm more than ok with lynching JAT. LS town. I'm pretty sure LS is so transparent that if he ever rolls mafia he'll just straight up admit to it. I loved his entrance and he is probably my strongest townread atm. His reaction to my scumclaim basically confirms him town to me. ritoky feels actually sort of townie to me. I think this is mostly a tone read, his jokes feel like he really doesn't give a shit I guess. Koshi. Got mad that he was being voted. Then after getting mad he did what we wanted him to do anyway which either means he's massively submissive or mafia. Eden I don't know. Damdred is probably town. I liked him in the early game so I think we should remain friends. | ||
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This interaction happened within a minute. If LS is mafia he knows I'm not. If he knows I'm not mafia he doesn't do this very much LS thing where he looks like he genuinely believes I am actually mafia for a second and posts this impulsive post. Ergo, LS is town. QED. | ||
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Here's my nomination: ##unvote ##vote JAT | ||
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On March 10 2015 20:16 prplhz wrote: @Koshi @Palmar Why is justanothertownie scum? ![]() you 4 real son? | ||
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option a) lynch prplhz option b) lynch JAT I don't particularly care which one. They can find out between themselves. | ||
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On March 10 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because there is no reason for him to read me town at that point and i didn't follow up on what i said because noone said anything about that postbat that time, except for Palmar who then decided to troll it out.. This is bullshit. but it's what I've come to expect. | ||
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On March 10 2015 20:52 Koshi wrote: Palmar confirmed doing 180 to please marv. how can something that's so wrong feel so right? | ||
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On March 10 2015 21:48 marvellosity wrote: but if I feel good about voting for him you should probably pay attention sure. It's just that I'm not sure that mafia rayn would be attacking me on something so blatantly wrong. | ||
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I'm going to wait and see on rayn marv. This makes me 100% town to you so that's also a good motivation for me to do just that. | ||
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We are lovers. Why am I not your soul? | ||
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On March 10 2015 23:29 Damdred wrote: Palmar last night you snuck off to the fridge and was gone a long time. I have a suspicion you were visiting Marv without me. I was, I admit. The really sad part is this friction in our relationship was completely unnecessary. Marv said that he wished I had brought you along.... I love you 5ever. | ||
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##unvote ##vote rayn | ||
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This entire thing is just off. Rayn keeps talking to people as if they're confirmed town. | ||
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On March 11 2015 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Onto all of this. I did not misconstrue LS. I was very well aware he called all of his "probably town" reads scum aswell in his post, i just left it out (and i also said that after) because it was irrelevant as i think for whatever reason someone calls someone scum (his reason was afaik "weak POE ", scumreads are more scummy than townreads. Which is where you misconstrued me, not me. I also called LS mafia. I was curious why he said what he did about prplhz. I am 100% sure he is mafia. My conclusion was literally "I have no idea why but I know he is mafia. Fuck... Annoying.". This is a scumread and now I'm "pushing LS" like you are correctly saying Damdred. You are interested in the matter in whole as your half of filter is talking about this. You made a conclusion that is a straight out lie, which you should never do as town. rsoultin, see above, and no, that was not what i was doing. I really don't care about anything. I just want to kill LS. However Damdred went on (after what i talked about) first saying this: His point here seems to be i called LS out for something i should not have (which is "he thinks damdred is town at the certain point in the game" -- anything else does not make sense). In the next post yes, he corrects himself by "town = scum". But look at the post now: what is his point now? i even asked him to make a case on me, apparently he can't. The reasonable thing for a townie like damdred to say (regardless of what he thinks of me) is "yeah okay, that does not make you mafia, i fucked up". He doesn't do it. He doesn't follow up. Knowing that he's town it just makes me sad that people don't want to trust me. Also I think rayn said he never scumread LS which is a blatant lie, it's right here in this post. | ||
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On March 11 2015 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also called LS mafia. I was curious why he said what he did about prplhz. I am 100% sure he is mafia. My conclusion was literally "I have no idea why but I know he is mafia. Fuck... Annoying.". This is a scumread and now I'm "pushing LS" like you are correctly saying Damdred. You are interested in the matter in whole as your half of filter is talking about this. You made a conclusion that is a straight out lie, which you should never do as town. On March 11 2015 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i don't get you at all. My conclusion suggests i didn't scumread LS. I have said that's not what i did. I don't even scumread Damdred for scumreading me for "me scumreading LS". I don't know where you are getting at at all. There is literally no way these two work together. Kill it with fire. | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:01 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: rayn Cool! | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:03 marvellosity wrote: you know i'd take great pleasure in policy lynching you just for being a cock Palmar cock rings are a terrible idea. | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:00 justanothertownie wrote: I never did anything like that in any game I ever played as town. What are you smoking? | ||
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this game is too ez. | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:09 justanothertownie wrote: I will not talk about this further because it does not achieve anything but I am telling you that I never did anything like that. I also have no reason to lie about this regardless of my alignment. DIE | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:10 rsoultin wrote: >> lol palmar you're so much more fun when you play xP I always play. | ||
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JAT mafia. | ||
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![]() This was going so well. Peace out. | ||
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##vote JAT | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [rayn] +
+ Show Spoiler [marv] +
+ Show Spoiler [Onegu] +
+ Show Spoiler [prplhz] +
+ Show Spoiler [rsoultin] +
+ Show Spoiler [Palmar] +
+ Show Spoiler [JAT] +
+ Show Spoiler [LS] +
+ Show Spoiler [ritoky] +
+ Show Spoiler [ritoky's wife] + ♥♥♥♥♥ cucumbers (she feels neglected...) + Show Spoiler [Koshi] +
+ Show Spoiler [Eden] +
+ Show Spoiler [Damdred] +
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rayn koshi prplhz JAT | ||
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On March 11 2015 22:53 marvellosity wrote: meh. Koshi is just not mafia. And I really think prplhz is not mafia either. You're supposed to have a soul read on prplhz and you are disagreeing with me and I don't know why. Maybe I am wrong but I don't think so which is why I am wondering why you are including either Koshi or prplhz in this list? because they're low on my sex rating thingee? | ||
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On March 11 2015 22:55 marvellosity wrote: would it be wrong to ask a vigi to shoot you? yep. | ||
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On March 11 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote: I'm having palpations over Palmar, I really think he should be town, but... I can't fill out the but Palmar (on the assumption that he's town) should understand My penis is so erect right now 8::::::::D | ||
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On March 12 2015 00:36 LightningStrike wrote: Yes because he's Mafia and we proved it in multiple posts ![]() ait my man ##unvote ##vote Eden | ||
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##vote marv 100 % mafia. ![]() I'll explain when in front of a computer. | ||
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##vote JAT I didn't read anything but the post at the top of the page said there's 95% chance we're lynching him so I'm assuming I'm sheeping people who actually care. | ||
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I am the medic. | ||
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God you guys are stupid. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:56 justanothertownie wrote: WHY ARE YOU SUCH A USELESS FUCKING TROLL THIS GAME? sdjhgnrt The real question is, why do you lack sex appeal? | ||
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On March 11 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote: JAT:
On March 12 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: justanothertownie (10): raynpelikoneet, Lightningstrike, onegu, palmar, marvellosity, rsoul, damdred, koshi, ritoky, eden1892 raynpelikoneet (2): prplhz, justanothertownie justanothertownie the mafia goon has been lynched!. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:14 marvellosity wrote: you are pretty bad. or mafia. but probably just pretty bad. you know I'm bad *raawr* | ||
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I know | ||
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Koshi knows. | ||
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![]() I will not announce my protection tonight. I don't like using protection anyway. | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:52 Koshi wrote: ugh. I am so sure marv is mafia. But I also know that it will take 2 ml before you people will consider it. JUST DO NOT FORGET IT. Koshi knows. | ||
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Marv why are you so obvious about it? | ||
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So, do you think I'm right? | ||
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On March 12 2015 18:57 marvellosity wrote: your explanations are pointless. what eden and I explained are not arguable against. You don't even know what I'm talking about. I have no idea what eden has to do with this because I've not read anything he has posted On March 12 2015 18:57 marvellosity wrote: you should understand this. the fact you don't understand this means 1) you're not reading the thread Well duh On March 12 2015 18:57 marvellosity wrote: 2) you're wifully choosing not to understand really obvious stuff that's in the thread see above On March 12 2015 18:57 marvellosity wrote: either way it makes you a good shot, because you're a liability. No it does not and it's a bit worrying you think so. But I really don't care about that bit. Why do you townread prplhz so hard and so early. summarize please. | ||
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Obviously there's a chance I just missed something. I haven't read the thread very attentively after all, I just want to know. | ||
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color me slightly skeptical Eden is mafia btw, but yes, rayn could also be. | ||
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fwiw I don't give too many shits now, and seeing as I'm claimed medic I expect to be shot in the night. | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:17 rsoultin wrote: -sits on palmar's head- Why is this a thing? | ||
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koshi, we both know. | ||
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that's not a good enough reason. | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:43 rsoultin wrote: how do you respond to pressure, palmar? should we try to lynch you to find out? sure. I actually like it when people try to lynch me. | ||
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I vote mafia, I make sex analysis and give you high rating. | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:44 rsoultin wrote: i wouldn't mind a palmar lynch right now at all i can't read you and it's fing annoying. i'm not sure why you think that's a good way to play, unless it's just to make it harder to catch you as mafia -_- Just ask marv. He knows my alignment. | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:45 marvellosity wrote: not reading the thread, not understanding basic concepts what basic concepts. Also, you know I don't read the thread when it's being spammed to shit. | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:46 marvellosity wrote: about how i treat scumbuddies who are clearly going to get lynched. ^^ Koshi knows. | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:46 rsoultin wrote: trolling too much counter ccing like if rayn's really doc which is just shy of 100% chance here, and you get enough people who are naïve or confused, you bullocks it for everyone by being a dick ^^ sex rating aside i'm obviously super sexy as any alignment I was talking to marv. I'm counter cc-ing because I'm the medic. There is a very real chance rayn is actually mafia and cc'd his buddy to gain town cred, there is literally no downside to it because even if the real medic (me) counterclaims rayn, rayn can just say "well I did it to get him lynched and try to hide the real doctor". Like if I am rayn and JAT my scumbuddy is getting lynched, I do exactly what rayn did. Also, sex rating has nothing to do with being sexy. If rated for attractiveness Damdred and I would basically be off the scale, most of you people would be somewhere in the middle and last time I saw a picture of marv he had a cap on inside so he'd be at -5. But I feel like there may be a cinderella story there. Like have you seen my beard? No you haven't. My beard is fucking glorious. | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:47 marvellosity wrote: see? you just refuse to engage and understand the basic premise. so you can die as much as i care. Because I only partially agree with you, or my conclusion isn't as black and white as yours, and I really, really don't want to get into an argument with you about what you would do, because that'd be an effort in futility like nothing else. Like I just don't want to argue with you about it. I don't think it makes you town, and I don't think it makes you mafia. I have other reasons pointing to one direction or the other and at some point I'll summarize them and make a conclusion. Until then.... Koshi knows. | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:52 marvellosity wrote: why are you calling me mafia when you're making the same argument that only one other person in the game has made >.> I have no idea who made this argument before me. | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:54 marvellosity wrote: I really just want to replace out this game but I can't because that would be shitty. pot, meet kettle. | ||
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JAT was mad at my antics Marv is mad at my antics Jat was mafia Marv is ??? | ||
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mafia tend to be unreasonable and agreeable Koshi fits neither. He knows. | ||
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I WILL lynch him for the betrayal. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not until lylo. But when the time comes, I will remember the betrayal and I WILL kill him. I cannot help this. | ||
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On March 12 2015 23:12 LightningStrike wrote: Also don't you guys find it interesting that Palmar never really give a good reason why Marv is Mafia when those two can read each other so well? It's not me who knows. It's koshi. | ||
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On March 12 2015 23:42 marvellosity wrote: you realise we are like 2 and a half days from next lynch, yes? Shit this gave me the idea we need a game of thrones mafia where no one knows how long the days and nights last. | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:21 LightningStrike wrote: Okay make your case then if you really think Marv is Mafia? I can't they will come for me. | ||
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I WILL lynch you. | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh yeah. I forgot about it already. ![]() Yes you are right. I in fact do read Damdred scum. He said i did townie things then voted for me. Now this is hard hitting analysis. | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:22 marvellosity wrote: anyway I let other people talk now because I cannot possibly be productive. because you already know everyone's alignment SCUM | ||
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On March 13 2015 05:06 Eden1892 wrote: why is marv absolutely mafia to you? i meant to ask this earlier but i forgot Koshi knows | ||
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##vote Eden | ||
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Kill him. | ||
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No. You are mafia. | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:24 Eden1892 wrote: oopw yeah i'll stop talking about it now ![]() prplhz makes a good point. idc if he's gonna be trolly about it or not though. Palmar why'd you shoot rso out of your group of mafia reads? None of your business scum. | ||
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I am not trolling. I have cleared everyone except you, ritoky and onegu. So... we're lynching you. | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:32 Eden1892 wrote: then you are actually dumb as shit case on me, go don't need to. It's PoE. | ||
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You were never mafia. | ||
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Mind your own business scum. | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:43 Eden1892 wrote: also no one should ever doubt me when i read rso ever again pls just sheep it, i will be right We can't know that, you won't have perfect information every game. | ||
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On March 10 2015 17:24 justanothertownie wrote: roflroflrofl This game hasn't become more interesting since yesterday. At least I like rsoultin, Eden and Palmar so far. And another person I am not telling. huehuehue Would policy lynch ritoky for keeping an mediocre joke alive for ages. Would also policy lynch slam (unfortunately not that easy). | ||
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we only have 2 claimed blues. So I'm just assuming rayn is actually the medic or vet or whatever else he could be. marv is town, koshi is town I'm counting on the marv prplhz soul read to make prplhz town. Same with koshi and damdred. LS is basically confirmed. So, that leaves eden, ritoky and onegu. | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:55 Eden1892 wrote: so you aren't even thinking critically at all about damdred or prplhz, cool this is fucking garbage palmar, you're better than this Well do you think marv is town? | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:59 Eden1892 wrote: yeah seems pretty likely to me at this point. i don't understand how this is relevant to your decision to be a terrible analyst and do lazy POE based off of sheeping individual people instead of considering alternate arguments or doing any digging for yourself, really you should be fucking embarrassed rn because i am obviously town and you've played enough games with me to know it If I think marv is town and he is absolutely sure someone else is town that is good enough for me. | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:03 prplhz wrote: palmar why did you shoot rso jealousy, I wanted LS for myself. | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:05 LightningStrike wrote: In case you guys didn't notice I softed blue. So you decided just to hard it now lol? | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:06 LightningStrike wrote: I counter claiming your blue claim just didn't choose to do it in the night phase. which blue claim? | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:07 LightningStrike wrote: Both of them. You aint blue as far I know. You are a medic and a vigi? | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote: I'm going out now but I am Blue and counter claiming Palmar's blue claims. When I come back I will out my role. You might as well do it now, there is only one possible role that you can claim that gives this information and that is jailkeeper. | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:12 Eden1892 wrote: why would you not just claim your role in this post ._. someone help. i actually really think ls might be mafia here b/c this makes 0 sense for town but... it also doesn't make sense for mafia he's not mafia. | ||
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why not? | ||
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I thought and still think you're a mason. | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:23 Koshi wrote: rs was not killed by mafia. NEVER. ls is vigi it seems. There is no universe where I believe LS shot rsoultin. | ||
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LS roleblocked me. There is no jailer in the setup, just a roleblocker. roleblocking me makes much more sense than jailing me. | ||
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I guess I'm mafia! | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:29 Koshi wrote: omg. true. So if LS is just RB you are mafia. basically that Like actual mafia is so going to claim vig here. | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:30 marvellosity wrote: actually jailing you would be a not-too-bad hedging your bets move. There is no jailer. | ||
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On March 13 2015 10:09 Koshi wrote: ##vote Palmar Explain to me who shot rsoultin Palmar. ##vote Koshi Explain to me who shot rsoultin Koshi.[/QUOTE] | ||
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I'm basically up for lynching anyone else. | ||
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##unvote ##vote ritoky we good? | ||
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##vote Palmar Such mad!!! Can has confirmed town? | ||
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On March 13 2015 22:51 Damdred wrote: I honestly don't feel like playing right now, this game has me really upset and i'm taking a break until I get home and can focus a bit more in a couple hours I guess. Or I don't even know if I can play this game, i'll try later. Either way whatever i'll be back later so fucking weak. I don't know what I saw in you. I thought you were strong alpha mate. I was wrong. | ||
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http://www.wikiwand.com/en/All_the_Small_Things | ||
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I meant this link: | ||
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On March 13 2015 23:09 Koshi wrote: I cannot tell you why ritoky and Palmar are town. Here's a thought. When I am mafia, there is always an endgame. I always try to create a situation that could potentially win my team the game. I probably try harder as mafia than town, in general. You can call me mafia, but only if you can explain my endgame, no matter how ridiculous your explanation is, just make yourself think about it. | ||
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On March 13 2015 22:59 marvellosity wrote: Palmar pls help me if you're town thanking you it's the weekend coming up so you're about to have 2 days of going "lol weekend i'm not doing anything" I can't. Nothing you say is very helpful. I know that doesn't necessarily make you mafia but I feel like there is almost no insights in your posts. Like even when you explained your prplhz hard read it was like "aha sure, but that's just a bunch of metrics". Instead of being "hey that's right, he would never post this as mafia" or "actually yeah, that kind of thinking from prplhz really makes him town". I feel like I've made one very insightful read this game (LS, early) that everyone later agreed with. I'd like to see one insightful read from you that I can agree with. You have so many people in your town list that it's really hard to believe you can't find something incriminating about the few people that didn't make it. | ||
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I agree, this is potential engdame if you're town, but you have to pair it up with 2 mislynches (today and tomorrow) AND someone who isn't me who can get you lynched over himself. | ||
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On March 13 2015 23:46 marvellosity wrote: I'm saying things about people. Tell me where I am wrong and where I am right. Tell me (and/or Koshi) why we are wrong about Eden. You have been pushing him quite a bit today. We both think there are very good reasons to call him town. ENGAGE I called eden mafia for immediately realizing I could be fakeclaiming the vig shot because mafia would know that it was fake assuming she was shot. That's about it. There was at least one post that bugged me but I don't know. | ||
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On March 13 2015 23:52 marvellosity wrote: Tell me why you think he is mafia. And whether you make anything of what I just wrote on ritoky Because he has posted extremely short posts containing nothing of value. Literally the only thing I remember him doing is defending you. | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:56 Palmar wrote: Speaking of ritoky I actually read one post by him and I thought he was overplaying the troll thing. It's weak and nothing concrete, but I thought I'd throw it out there. I like your point, it is somewhat incriminating. And I'd like to add this to it: On March 11 2015 05:44 ritoky wrote: what about #sickstrats #noreads #shittier don't you understand? jeez, i gotta splain urrrthing to deez ppl? next thing you know i gonna hafta splain the pickle metaphor. Like this is not the post I read (I'm trying to find it), but it feels like he is overemphasizing this "yo look bruh im so chill and kool" thing. It's not quite natural. | ||
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On March 13 2015 23:56 marvellosity wrote: Cool let's try flesh it out. Yes, everything I wrote on prplhz was metrics. He whines as mafia, he's not here. He's posting far more than he typically posts as mafia, fine. So let's move on to something gameplay related. prplhz pushed the idea quite hard that jat doesn't make early townreads. In fact he even went to Imperial, read jat's filter, and reported back here with the results. (something I don't think he'd bother doing to incriminate his mafiabuddy, but that's by the by?) He then pushed the idea repeatedly in thread. He then let jat get lynched without taking any credit whatsoever, by having his vote somewhere else, even though he'd researched and helped push the idea that jat doesn't make early throwaway townreads, and actively questioned people on it. Thoughts? Sure, I actually really like the part you said about imperial and i think it's relevant. I'll go have a look at the content at some point, but by the way you're explaining it I'm actually much more comfortable with prplhz than before. If he actually made a specific (and not a generic, sweeping) claim about JAT like that you are indeed correct that he's probably town. I did not read the part that lead to JAT being lynched. | ||
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On March 12 2015 16:43 ritoky wrote: says you sucka foo. my reads b sick like listening to tunes on your beats by dre #sickreads #beatsbydre Here. This is the post that caused me to say "I think he may be overplaying his troll thing". | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:03 marvellosity wrote: Further to this. I don't know how important it is. I think it was really obvious that he properly researched it because: it was Damdred who said, lazily, "er yea actually jat made early townreads in Imperial" and prplhz actively challenged him on that assertion. I'm going to take your word for it because it's easier than double checking it. The way you describe it would indeed make prplhz very much town. | ||
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rayn's betrayal On March 10 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: So everyone who has posted so far is town. Thoughts? This is rayn in the early game. I looked at this post, double checked the first few posts and thought to myself "hey I actually kinda sorta like that observation". So I responded with this. On March 10 2015 07:13 Palmar wrote: pretty much yeah. There's an outside chance JAT is mafia, but I'm willing to clear him for the day. Obviously these are super weak clears, but I really liked the starting point rayn was going to work from. But then he responded with this: On March 10 2015 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: what? How do you possible read everyone who's posted so far as town? And I just got mad. I've wanted to kill rayn ever since. Because he threw out what I thought was a fairly decent observation and it ended up being a dumb shit trap play. Also, to expand even further on this one, here is WHY I thought he may have had the right idea. On March 10 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote: No sexy qt with Palmar I am disappoint. I liked Damdred's entrance. It wasn't forced, it was sorta jokey but not in the meek way Damdred enters the thread when he's mafia. It was just a casual joke that I had literally no problems with. I've already explained why I think LS is mafia because of this and I don't think I'll be wavering from that read any time soon. JAT is the one I didn't feel particularly good, hence why I mentioned there being a chance he was mafia. But I decided that maybe rayn had some sort of a read on him and I was okay with sheeping that for now. On March 10 2015 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not a miller. Which leads me to think rayn himself is town, because he made a very smart observation that I for the most part agreed with. You can imagine how annoyed I was when he turned around and did the trap thing. I can't remember what the other thing is now because this took long to write, but I'll remember soon. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:18 prplhz wrote: but why call me mafia without even superficially investigating when you were just wrong on me the other game I don't really care about being wrong or right that much. Or well, I am always okay with being wrong. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have never had any towntells on JAT. Sorry Palmar ![]() I thought you should at least not read me and JAT town at that point. That's why i questioned you. well the read on you was BASED ON the fact that you said what I considered a smart thing about 3 players (myself, LS, Damdy) at the time. | ||
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If I had no posts this game except this single bluehunting and lynch steering post. Am I mafia or town and why? | ||
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##unvote ##vote rayn I want a hard claim that WILL BE PUNISHABLE BY LYNCH if you ever try to retract on it. | ||
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So I think you're godfather. Now claim. | ||
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On March 14 2015 04:37 ritoky wrote: in down under 2 he did the exact same play as town and i shot him during night 1 for it. also his read post about sexy levels is the single best post of the entire game. You mean the game where I argued with myself and then went afk? | ||
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No I'm just pointing it out. | ||
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I actually think damdy looks bad at times. I will however join the ritoky wagon | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:27 marvellosity wrote: why do you feel the need to say this for the 2nd time today? because I'm talking myself into it. | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:29 Eden1892 wrote: are you the fucking cop with a fucking green check on fucking ray i heard somewhere that saying fuck makes you look cool and gets people to talk to you so maybe this will do it oh I'm not cop | ||
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I don't know what it is, and I'm sort of fine with it. There exists a very simple solution to the game on the surface. We assume marv is town and trust his read on prplhz. We assume koshi has to be town. We assume Eden is town for his attitude, and we assume Damdred is town because of the self-vote/pussy tactics. LS has to be town too. Then we lynch into ritoky, onegu and rayn who all could be mafia. Onegu on activity, marv's points regarding ritoky actually made sense, and rayn based on apathy/negative attitude/betrayal. Then we ride into the sunset. I just don't think, that in this case, the game is that easy. But I'm willing to give the simple solution a shot. | ||
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On March 15 2015 20:31 marvellosity wrote: I dnu why damdred question koshi. if koshi is mafia we're fucked anyway. tbh at this stage i can be wrong on several people with 2 mafia left. so i follow you guys on to palmar. ? | ||
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Doesn't work. The difference between us is that you're not allowed to be wrong about my alignment. Even if you are town, it's reasonable for me to think it's you. It is not reasonable for you to think it's me. If nothing else, the point I made about LS back on day 1 that you agreed with should be enough for you to think I'm town. | ||
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On March 16 2015 07:10 Koshi wrote: Since when does that stop you? Doesn't matter. I am voting you off. And I dont' think I will get more than 20 posts in this phase. Since like... forever. While somewhat outdated because I'm aware of it, one of my massive towntells is that I get confused, hedge my bets and in general am very uncertain and tentative when I'm town, the exception is when I set my mind to something "I'm going to get this lynch." As mafia I used to overplay my hand in terms of confidence quite a bit. | ||
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On March 16 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: PALMAR IS NOT MAFIA! Can you explain why? | ||
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On March 16 2015 07:15 marvellosity wrote: that's all you have... you're not allowed to do what you're doing, no. you're not allowed to fake-talk yourself into calling me town, where for some reason you say more than once "fuck it he has to be town" or words to that effect. And then you're going with the simple solution but now the solution is marv+1? Well, think about it. If I somehow got shot, however unlikely, I wanted people to take a hard look at you. If I survive, I get to stay in the game to actually make an informed decision. It's completely logical to do exactly what I did. On March 16 2015 07:15 marvellosity wrote: then this post as a cheap cop out of "i am allowed to call you mafia, you are not allowed to call me mafia" no. Why not? That is how it almost always goes between us. In fact just yesterday you said I was townie for the way I treated you. I am allowed to call you mafia, and this treatment you're giving me makes you more likely to be one. I am allowed to do exactly what I'm doing because it's exactly what I do when I'm town. You know this marv. How are you going to react? On March 16 2015 07:15 marvellosity wrote: You can try convince me about rayn though, I'm totes up for that. I don't think I wanna. I know I have a massive sweet spot for people who are reasonable when it comes to my alignment (think Damdred in Imperial), but I still can't make myself double think the fact that he has correctly determined my alignment. | ||
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On March 16 2015 07:21 marvellosity wrote: essentially what you are saying is "i know as town i call you mafia. so i can call you mafia for free. you cannot call me mafia" there is no reason you can't say this as mafia. Yes! Exactly! This is both what I'm saying and there is no reason I can't say this as mafia. HOWEVER: There is also no reason I can't say this as town. So by definition you should not be voting to lynch me for this. | ||
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On March 16 2015 07:21 marvellosity wrote: why do you ignore all my towntells? Because of that blink song. There are multiple small weird things about you. I'll name the ones I have off the top of my head. 1) The rsoultin kill incriminates you (I know this is bad and terrible but stay with me). If we think about the possible kills during that night the only other viable one would be rayn. Koshi is probably getting medic protected, I am trolling and being shit, Eden was shit day 1 etc etc. You are the sensible night 1 kill. If I am mafia I shoot you every time there. 2) You said that you would not have lead the JAT wagon lead for so long without doing something about it or jumping on it to gain credit. Maybe my assumptions are off, but I really disagreed with you on that. I just didn't have the energy to argue with you at the time and I was not sure (I'm still not). I would expect you to do EXACTLY this, basically don't rock the boat too much and see if JAT could turn it around, then hop on if he was dying anyway. 3) You have not been assertive or made any hard reads this game except on two people, one of them is ritoky which was quite wrong, and the other is prplhz. Hard reading koshi and LS town doesn't really count because well, it's easy as fuck, hell the LS read was MY read. 4) talking about the hard reads, you were wrong on ritoky. I know you are occasionally wrong but you seem rather unfazed by it. I also have a hard time believing you'd be wrong on ritoky, then turn around and be wrong on me next, after not having lead town on day 1. This would be your third "shit" day in a row. 5) You did explain your prplhz read, I never double checked it. However I did notice that the substantial parts of the read that I actually believe, all came long after you had started townreading him. That being said, the parts I didn't really care about, the metrics, did in fact happen before you made your read for the most part so meh. Still... so many small things. Like Blink182 ![]() | ||
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On March 16 2015 08:25 marvellosity wrote: btw I do think there's some chance Palmar is mafia. And I mainly say this so that I can quote this in future games so Palmar can never use the fucking bs "he can't call me mafia" line. Yeah I bloody well can. So what you're saying is that if I'm town I CAN use it? ![]() | ||
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On March 16 2015 08:45 marvellosity wrote: no the opposite. if you are town then quite clearly i am capable of thinking you are mafia when you are town, so you can never use it again. oh I get it now. | ||
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On March 16 2015 18:58 Onegu wrote: Didn't you just roll mafia in a game and troll? No? | ||
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When you actively make the game unreadable for other players by having a 40 page filter (and in turn your interactivity drives other filters longer than they have to be), it is only fair that other players expect you to work with it. I have no problem with people driving game lengths up, but I expect that they're doing it for a valid reason and are willing to take control and be responsible for what they are doing. | ||
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I was bad yesterday, I listened to a few shitty points about ritoky and was awful. Today people want to lynch me because TL collectively has a hard-on for killing me. | ||
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On March 16 2015 19:11 Onegu wrote: @Palmar. What was you waiting to be sorted out in regards to claims. Like did you think one was fake? Yes, I didn't believe damdred's claim. I'm also not sure I believe the veteran claims. Like I think this game would benefit a lot from mass claiming right now. | ||
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If you think there's any chance prplhz is mafia, we should not lynch prplhz. This may sound insane, but listen. Marv's townread on prplhz is unwavering and beyond questioning. It's actually a pretty unusual marv read because he is so certain. Normally he's like me and hedges his bets back and forth. While marv is surprisingly often wrong he's almost never completely bonkers wrong. Basically my thought process is this: This is the hardest townread that I haven't completely agreed with that I have seen from marv in my memory. If marv is town I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's right. And if he's mafia it doesn't matter if prplhz is town or mafia because we could just lynch marv. If you want prplhz, you first have to figure out marv. | ||
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On March 16 2015 19:34 Koshi wrote: If Palmar is voting prplhz now. Does this means he figured out marv and came to the conclusion marv is mafia? Or did he came to the conclusion marv is town and retarded? Even though this entire post from Palmar let shine through that Palmar is willing to sheep town marv on prplhz. Apparently I was overstating marv's townread on prplhz, so much that he felt like he needed to correct me in saying prplhz is guaranteed town. This caused me to start reading prplhz's filter which I'm not nearly done with but I saw these posts: On March 10 2015 20:16 prplhz wrote: @Koshi @Palmar Why is justanothertownie scum? ![]() On March 10 2015 20:26 prplhz wrote: this strikes me as something town would be more likely to say than scum i don't really see much else in his filter It's not the fact he was wrong, it just feels out of place to defend someone this super early in the game. | ||
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No not yet. Do you think voting frequency is a decent parameter at all marv? | ||
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On March 16 2015 19:30 Koshi wrote: Why is Palmar voting prplhz without giving a single reason? He even says the townread of marv on prplhz is legit. He never disagreed with the meta case from marv on prplhz? Why is Palmar voting for Onegu because Onegu wants to lynch him? I want to lynch Palmar. marv wouldn't mind lynching Palmar. Yet Palmar votes Onegu for the total of 3 seconds. Palmar. Get your act together. Koshi do you want to actually engage? I can just ignore you if you don't want to as I intend to be productive, but I cba talking with you if you're going to read everything I say through scum-tinted glasses. | ||
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On March 16 2015 19:44 marvellosity wrote: I'm not interested in engaging in anything else. Why? At what point did townMarv become disinterested in evidence even if it might not prove immediately useful? | ||
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On March 16 2015 19:51 Koshi wrote: I do not want to engage. I just want to point out that you said you would do your best today and now I see some dumb lazy vote on Onegu that is worth next to nothing and then some vote on prplhz who you call town. Yes, and then I moved my vote to prplhz, I might vote everyone in the game before the day is over. I promised game-face, this is how I game-face. I cannot be sure of anything yet, I'm still reading, evaluating. I just do whatever I feel like at any point, you can disagree with it, question it or ignore it as you like. If I throw votes around and make half-hearted posts it gives other players the opportunity to engage with me AS I AM WORKING. If I just read everything and came with a conclusion (which is totally what I'd do as mafia, to avoid having to interact with other people), we'd miss a ton of opportunity for people to weigh in. The whole point is that doing it this way gives people the opportunity to actually do things with it. On March 16 2015 19:51 Koshi wrote: And then when asked about it you post 2 comments that show that prplhz had a bad read on JAT. Problem being, why do I need to ask you, why are they not presented while voting for prplhz? And let's say Damdred was mafia and we lynched him D2. You could do the exact same thing for me. Why would it make me mafia except for me being wrong? Because I'm doing multiple things at once. Also it's just kind of a thing I do, if you don't believe me you can just go check but it's probably easier to just believe that I do this all the time. On March 16 2015 19:51 Koshi wrote: Why was it too early for prplhz to defend JAT? Why was it not town prplhz being interested about the lynch? Isn't it a townie thing to be around after you say you want to leave? Hmm? Because in general, and this is a general assumption, townies aren't very likely to go out of their way to defend someone early in the game from flimsy accusations. Of course there are exceptions, it's not a rule. And especially it's uncommon to defend someone who is essentially a null read (as opposed to town read). And it also feels like prplhz missed an opportunity there to go after either you or me (he did kinda maybe call me mafia) for our "bad" scumreads on JAT. | ||
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On March 16 2015 19:58 prplhz wrote: i'm kind of around if anybody wants anything from me palmar's push is ridiculous (again) but i agree with his trolling point on himself being town Who is mafia then prplhz? | ||
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On March 16 2015 19:53 marvellosity wrote: I'm going to take these one at a time as I consider them. Thanks for making the links. First off, obviously the meta is completely awful. I'm not gonna break it down too much, but townJAT not townreading mafiaMarv when I'm in the midst of calling marv scum isn't very telling. Like it's completely unreasonable to expect JAT to have thrown out a townread on marv right there. HOWEVER, the validity of the meta isn't the main point here, because all that matters is whether prplhz actually believes the meta. It's completely irrelevant if it's good or not.I'm not convinced he does, because it's such a start contrast yet he never votes or pushes it. Like if not to try to lynch JAT, what exactly is the purpose of this? Still not certain, but I actually don't think this particular point does very much to alleviate concerns regarding prplhz. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:26 marvellosity wrote: can you not engage with the stuff on prplhz before you move on to something else? I am. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:34 prplhz wrote: i don't even understand this post. especially the bolded part. I'm saying the meta point is invalid. That doesn't make the point invalid. It was correct that it was inherently scummy for JAT to make so many easy townreads, but trying to contrast it with the situation from the other game adds nothing to the value of the point. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:38 marvellosity wrote: Last I will say on this, but I agree. I also agree that I don't think Damdred would replace out because he was under pressure as mafia. I've often wished I could just replace out when I'm having a tough game as scum, but I never actually considered going ahead and doing it. And I think Damdred is probably morally superior to me already which further adds to this feeling I agree with this. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:41 prplhz wrote: so you are saying i'm lying about the meta? you are saying he called sciberbia confirmed town and i decided not to tell the thread that, instead i told the thread that he had not done such a thing? No I'm saying the meta is irrelevant. Can you not be a dick about it please. Do you agree that we should treat FF as confirmed town right now? | ||
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Did you not think your meta thing was a good enough reason to vote JAT prplhz? | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:45 prplhz wrote: sorry if i am coming across as a dick, i'm not trying to be a dick. if your argument is "prplhz doesn't believe that the meta he provided proves koshi's point" then i can't really argue against that. yes i did/do? Well that has to be my argument. I don't think you're dumb. I don't think you'd blatantly lie about shit as mafia. If you are mafia and decided to bus you would probably make a pretty good point! like you did! Like I wish I hadn't even mentioned that I think the meta is irrelevant because for some reason yall are now talking about that instead of what is actually the matter. | ||
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Actually the more I talk about this the less I think it makes prplhz mafia. Do explain why you didn't vote for JAT though, given you had evidence to call him mafia. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:49 marvellosity wrote: The comparison didn't suck though. Whatever, we're done with that part. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:45 marvellosity wrote: that's not even the same game though. And he is joking. he is not, he says also "of the peopel who have posted you are my top townread" to sciberbia. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:45 prplhz wrote: yes but he should have voted me and pointed this out ages ago. instead he's just been like "maybe he's scum maybe not i dunno" all game instead of calling me out on my lie. I honestly didn't know about this until now. I haven't read this entire game too attentively. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:53 marvellosity wrote: yes, about 5 posts into the game because sciberbia said himself "anyone who responds to this post gets a free townread" none of that passage of play is serious and this game his townread on me was based on a joke too. But ok, maybe I'm bad and it's a good point. It's irrelevant. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:54 prplhz wrote: maybe i could, but the point is obviously stronger if you show that he doesn't do it as town. some people give out early town reads, some people don't. that these particular town reads were suspicious because they were too strong and too early, i'm having a hard time really understanding stuff like that so i go dig up some meta on it. maybe unnecesarry for some people, not for me. shit? i don't know that's a little harsh for someone bitching about me apparently being a dick (lol). i didn't vote for jat because i thought the case on rayn was stronger. i was also nervous because i thought jat had very few friends in the thread. in the end he was swarmed and i kind of just sort of watched because i couldn't handle everything that was going down. Okay. I'm not convinced you're town, but interacting with you is far more enjoyable at the moment than the bullshit marv and koshi are pulling. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:56 prplhz wrote: okay it's really annoying how you come in here and call me mafia and then say "maybe he's not mafia, i didn't actually read anything or think about anything" and then you do the exact same thing again. Well it got a response out of you didn't it? Now I'm strongly considering making you a townread because I genuinely believe you're mad at me for poking you. That's useful! | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:58 prplhz wrote: why is it a dick/cheating move to replace out as scum? if you think your game is shit wouldn't you feel more responsible to your team as scum and then replace out? Because the reason he replaced out is that people were scumreading him. Doing that as mafia should be bannable. It's basically a strategical replacement for in-game benefits. Hell this is why I don't use replacements. | ||
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On March 16 2015 21:00 marvellosity wrote: the "bullshit marv is pulling" = pulling you up on your errors, so ok Palmar. Tell me why Onegu is mafia? On my "not lynch list" at the moment (this is a very fluid list) Palmar Koshi prplhz FF That leaves Eden rayn Marv Onegu | ||
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On March 16 2015 21:01 prplhz wrote: nonono me and palmar were both scum in titanic. so are we both (me and palmar) scum? that's not the comparison he's making. | ||
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On March 16 2015 21:05 prplhz wrote: oh. okay i understand, he thinks i made a good point on jat and left it because i'm his team mate and in titanic i did the same with you? okay. exactly | ||
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##unvote ##vote raynpelikoneet Make me believe you are town. Explain again to me why I am town. | ||
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On March 16 2015 21:54 marvellosity wrote: that post makes you more likely to be mafia. Read what happened, read the thread, read what i said. None of it is a mystery, and the fact you're making it out to be weird or something is pathetic. You've said shit for 40 pages. I'm slaving through rayn's filter atm. I'm not touching yours unless I really have to. | ||
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On March 16 2015 21:58 marvellosity wrote: You were here last night as it was happening, get out. as what was happening? | ||
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On March 16 2015 22:02 marvellosity wrote: Except you have done that with your posting. Your posting is littered with pushing crap on me for the ritoky lynch. I had a "shit day". The points on ritoky were "weak" when I was asking the thread over and over if the points were good. You said my points were good at the time. rayn switched his read around on ritoky having read what I wrote. If what I was pushing was bad, no-one chimed up to say so. I made it abundantly clear, in posts that you were reading to and responding to last night, that I wouldn't be pushing for anything today. Way to overreact. Yes I am uncertain on you. I keep talking myself out of and into calling you mafia. Your points regarding ritoky were objectively bad because they didn't make him mafia. I however agreed with them and voted with you based on them, so if you are mafia, those are not the reason why. However, for some reason only I seem to be getting the importance of today, whereas you're sort of okay with just doing nothing and voting whatever the lowest hanging fruit is at the time. | ||
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On March 16 2015 22:08 prplhz wrote: well obviously it would make no sense that i explain why and how they're different but i can say that my poke in titanic came from a completely scummy mindset Yes, I didn't say it was true. But that's the comparison being made. I don't think it's particularly relevant. | ||
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On March 16 2015 22:09 prplhz wrote: palmmar why do you feel better about me when your concerns haven't exactly been countered or explained or anything? Because you got mad I guess? | ||
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On March 16 2015 22:08 marvellosity wrote: Literally totally untrue, I voted you and moved to rayn (on my own, with no expectation of being followed) and haven't moved since. That's exactly my point. Why do you not want people to follow you? I remember you saying at some point something like "I will just stand by and do nothing while palmar gets lynched", which is so uncharacteristic. Let's assume you're town. If we mislynch today, someone that isn't me or you, mafia is going to shoot one of us, and the other will be lynched with fire. It is super important to either get today right, and to figure out mine, yours, and preferably rayn's alignment. If I die tonight and flip town, town will be all over you. we HAVE to get this right. What is your role marv? | ||
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On March 16 2015 22:13 prplhz wrote: palmar if you attack me again in this game i'm going to vote you and not unvote I don't care. If I think there is a reason to attack you, I will. I now need you to help me figure the game out. | ||
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On March 16 2015 22:20 marvellosity wrote: that's not exactly your point. Your exact point was "voting whatever the lowest hanging fruit is at the time". That was your exact point. And it's bullshit. As for the rest, I refer you to my posts last night. They are in the last few pages of my filter, you were there at the time, it's not too challenging to find. Isn't that what the idiom means? I was a simple easy to reach lynch, then I demonstrated myself to be a bit more complex so you moved on. I'm not saying it's scummy to do so, it's just so easy. On March 16 2015 22:20 marvellosity wrote: Uncharacteristic of what, exactly? Can you think of anything i've ever even remotely said like that as mafia? I'll tell you, the answer is no. Again, I'm not calling you mafia, can you stop jumping to conclusions. I said it was uncharacteristic, which means it doesn't fit your character, neither as mafia nor as town. I have no idea what it means, but it's very much not town marv either. Maybe you're mad at something, I don't know. Maybe this is how you display that you're frustrated with the way the game is going. I don't care. You're not being productive in a day I need you to be productive. On March 16 2015 22:20 marvellosity wrote: That's just a weird thing to say. If we mislynch today, there is approx 0% chance I get shot. I would shoot you if we mislynch today (and I would probably get lynched the day after! ![]() | ||
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I'm basically saying that you're voting by PoE. you have a list and vote whoever happens to fall to the bottom, without actively deciding who should be at the bottom. | ||
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On March 16 2015 22:32 marvellosity wrote: You know I afked Day 2 on Horn when the lynch was on me, and literally the only reason I got HF lynched in the end was because my chess match finished early and I could post for an hour? I'd given up on the day for all intents and purposes. I didn't. Wasn't I dead or something? | ||
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On March 16 2015 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am back, hopefully not with a spinal disc herniation but that remains to be seen in a couple of days. What i am going to do now is to go through everyone and everything since i am on a sick leave from work for at least two days. I am also going to distract dumb shit like "VT claim" or "this much posts" towntells because obviously some of those tells are not true. I am not mafia and there are two people who are being called town for something that's not townie (like everyone is being called town for some tells and i can't trust all of them, so i am just going to ignore all of it). I also found Sentinel's music which has been proved to be good for scumhunting. I recommend it. ![]() I love this approach, even if you turn out to be mafia you should be commended for this. | ||
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Palmar doesn't troll as mafia Marv had 30 page filter in first cycle or something prplhz had 30 posts in x hours rayn doesn't bus as mafia onegu claimed VT Damdy ragequit Did eden and koshi have one too? | ||
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And even then, who is his partner? FF? Eden? | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:09 Koshi wrote: I agree that the rsoultin kill was really odd in a world rayn claimed doc and got mafia lynched. Koshi got mafia lynched. marv probably wouldn't get docsaved cuz rayn and Koshi killed mafia. And then there is Palmar. Really. Kill Palmar. Onegu? Why? Pull your head out of your ass. | ||
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Well I did ask you quite politely to actually do shit today. You have no good reason to think I'm mafia, you've just randomly decided it based on butterflies and rainbows. Well butterflies and rainbows are townie things. | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote: And do not show me a single thought he had. Show me how he evolves the rayn scumread into the night. Into the marv + somebody read before deadline. Into Onegu for no reason. Into prplhz for no reason. Into rayn for no reason. Into who is he atm on? Now show me the thoughtprocess of Palmar solving the game between all these points. The PoE. The reasoning. Something? There is plenty left in the day and I'm not quite sure. But I have, yes, been trying to figure out the game. If you don't believe me go back and read the fucking million times this exact situation has unfolded before. | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:31 Koshi wrote: NEWSFLASH: Koshi did things D1. Palmar did nothing. Palmar promised to do things D3. Palmar does nothing. Palmar asks Koshi to do things politely. Don't pat yourself too much on the back. I didn't even know you were behind the JAT push when I voted him, I already knew he was mafia and had said so several times. | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:33 Koshi wrote: Was this when you asked somebody you knew wasn't going to vote JAT and sheeped him OFF JAT? I randomly sheeped people day 1. Go read my sex post. It's amazing. | ||
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On January 09 2015 19:30 Palmar wrote: ##vote ritoky Here's some preparation material: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=Palmar http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466211-tl-mafia-lxviii-fanfic-crossover-edition?user=Palmar http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467273-2p2-vanilla-werewolf-13er?user=Palmar Above are links to my filters in three games in 2014 where I got lynched as town because of fear/lynch inertia. If you want comparison, here are the last two games I got lynched as mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?user=Palmar http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/429897-thug-life-mini-mafia?user=Palmar There's nothing to do today so anyone who actually thinks they're going to lynch me needs to read this (assuming they're town, of course). The parts I specifically want you to pay attention to is how I act when I get under pressure of being lynched. This is vitally important because the easiest way to determine my alignment is to try to lynch me. Assuming I am close to a computer enough to actually post to defend myself, I always will defend myself, because I don't like getting lynched as town. Reading up on the meta is a good first step in not mislynching me. I am not going to go all out today because it requires effort and I'd rather have energy when it actually matters. The way I see this game we now have ritoky as confirmed mafia, damdred as likely second one, and pending further reading maybe vivax too. And for the love of god, listen to marv. If he is mafia he will say I'm town because that's how it works, but more importantly, if he is town, he will get my alignment right. It is very, very likely that he already highly suspect I'm town, and it will only get confirmed when people try to lynch me. Also, just to be clear, I'm sort of looking forward to the big day. It's always exciting to see how and why people push me. I , for example, have no idea why sl thinks I'm mafia. Here, and add imperial mafia itself to the mix, oh and also that game where I mislynched toad. | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote: And do not show me a single thought he had. Show me how he evolves the rayn scumread into the night. Into the marv + somebody read before deadline. Into Onegu for no reason. Into prplhz for no reason. Into rayn for no reason. Into who is he atm on? Now show me the thoughtprocess of Palmar solving the game between all these points. The PoE. The reasoning. Something? Sure, I will! On March 17 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote: Into the marv + somebody read before deadline. Yes. Marv is easily good enough as town not to get lynched even if I'm the nightkill which I didn't really expect. I had, and still have, too much reservations about him. All the things he says he only does as town are essentially correct, but he also has numerous red flags (some of which I listed in that post aimed at him). Like if I die during the night I'm more worried that scumMarv never gets lynched, than if townMarv ever gets lynched. On March 17 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote: Into Onegu for no reason. At a time when a lot of people were showing interest in voting me he decided to pile on, having almost not mentioned me before. I think it was only last night (might have been yesterday too) when he was asking people convince him on me and he has repeatedly said he cannot read me. Thus he has no active reason to think I'm mafia, and as such he shouldn't be voting me, yet he was/is? Like contentwise, he is currently at the top of my lynchlist. He has a short filter, he wants to lynch me with rayn calling me town and marv being unsure about my alignment when he admits he cannot read me. This means he's fine with a crapshoot lynch. On the other hand it's just too easy, he fits all the boxes, he has the shortest filter in the game, he hasn't done much and I can't remember many reads that had much insight or analysis attached to them. Maybe whoever (rayn?) said that the problem is that we are overthinking and the simplest solution is the right one is right? I don't have to be sure right now so I'm just withholding judgement. I want to re-read his filter if I'm going ot actually go for him.[/QUOTE] On March 17 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote: Into prplhz for no reason. So I started reading people's filter. prplhz did something I generally associate with mafia, which is to start randomly defending people very early in the game. Like it almost makes me feel better about it that he was actually defending mafia. When you and I were singling out JAT as a target he was defending him. I just feel that as town it's not very productive to go much on the defensive this early. I will admit that prplhz going into other games to use meta against JAT later does look townie, and his interaction with me (see, there's a reason to the madness) today felt kind of okay. I genuinely believe that he was annoyed/angry at me in our interactions today, and I feel like it was for the correct reasons. This makes him more likely to be town. On March 17 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote: Into rayn for no reason. I just voted rayn to poke the bear. I feel like rayn has been doing things today and I'm a massive sucker for people that call town. When I last left the thread I was reading through rayn's filter and I was trying to figure out the timeline of his JAT read, I recall there being a gap in his posting (a night or something) and at first I thought it was scummy (how his treatment of jat changed from before the night to after) but I think I read some more that convinced me otherwise. This is what I'm doing now. Sooo I don't think there were any more steps to what I've been doing today. I have some (not much) time tonight and then I should be active again tomorrow. @Eden, I saw somewhere from you a quote that mentioned you thought marv was treating JAT with something gloves? (what is the expression?) Do you feel this was a valid assessment of marv's day 1 regarding JAT? | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:37 Koshi wrote: I don't understand what Palmar is saying to me or what it is accomplishing. Something about him saying JAT was mafia in a spoiler and then not voting him or trying to get him lynched AT ALL. And then something about another game. If somebody can point out what Palmar is trying to tell me let me know. I can't talk to this guy when he is rambling about nothing. I am pointing out that: a) yes you got mafia lynched day 1. This doesn't make you the boss of life. It would suck if you threw the game by being stubborn after that. b) people ALWAYS try to lynch me around days 2-4, and very often they successfully do so. I don't invest the time or energy I used to back in the day in mafia so I'm a relatively easy target. I however very consistently respond the same way to pressure when I'm town and it's glaringly obvious to anyone who actually bothers reading. I know from experience (I've been through this multiple times) that most likely this is an exercise in futility, but hopefully, one day, there will be a town/town leader who is able to actually recognize the situation for what it is. | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:53 Koshi wrote: Just read palmar is his filter from this post (page 13) till now and tell me he is legit looking for mafia. Or has any hard read on anybody, like a townie who actually figures a game out. Because Palmar got a lot of posts since then, and a lot are trying to figure the game out, but is he really? You have to know that Palmar stopped trolling on page 13. So this is game face Palmar: 1) This list. 2) Case on rayn. 2) into ritoky is a fine lynch. + vote 3) Into rayn is a fine lynch + vote. (But 0 reasons why ritoky is a bad lynch) 4) Into marv + somebody is mafia. (Where is rayn?) 5) marv case 6) Onegu vote 7) prplhz is mafia if marv is mafia. 8) marv is town into prplhz vote 9) Into marv, Eden, rayn and Onegu are mafia. (yes, prplhz is town now) 10) vote for rayn 11) A lot of nothing tbh Ok. Now show me how this is town Palmar? Or show me this is a townie figuring out the game? Sure, townies jump around in early gme, without much to go on. But Palmar goes 180 all the time D3? Show me where he does this as town. It wasn't that newbie he replaced in recently. I don't any other games atm. But maybe marv can help? Or anybody? It's important you show me where he does it as town, and not that he doesn't do it as mafia. Because this behavior (aka having no real reads D3) is in nature mafia. Imperial mafia, it's only 500 pages! you'll enjoy it. I flipped on a ton of people GB scum -> town, marv town -> scum, damdy scum -> town, sl town -> scum -> town | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:58 Koshi wrote: ##vote: Onegu fml Well it's an improvement but not exactly what I was hoping for. Can we discuss marv, are we sure he is not mafia? | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: What you just said Palmar does not make any sense. which part? | ||
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Yes, he didn't really use much meta reasons to confirm him, although marv did focus on "the wrong" aspects of what I was pointing out. He talked specifically about prplhz going out of his way to show that JAT doesn't throw around townreads when he's town. I think there was at least one other reason in there but I can't recall without going checking. | ||
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On the other hand, the fact that he: 1. promised read on rayn 2. delivered read on rayn is actually really scummy, because he framed his play and then played exactly to fit that frame. Like it's not an organic read at all, it's manufactured. | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:11 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote prplhz Eden is right about his scumread. Doesn't appear to have a clue. Talk during the night is really off. Scum rb + cop? Dafuq? Where does he got that? rayn agrees with you too. read his interaction with me today and tell me what you think, it's not too long. | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: the part where you say you need a mafia lynch today. you are not really trying tbh, at least up to this point. wait how am I not trying? | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: like yeah, you are playing, but you are not really trying to lynch mafia so fucking hard you point out you "should be". Because the first step of lynching mafia, is figuring out who the mafia is ![]() | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:16 Koshi wrote: Reading this prplhz filter I got so much issues with marv pointing out the 2 things prplhz did that was maybe town. marv his read on prplhz clouds my vision so hard. During the entire game. If I think prplhz I think marv. I don't have it with any other player. suspicious stuff. There's a reason I've been questioning this throughout the game. Like, hell, I thought they were masons on n1 because that was the only way I could fit those strong mutual reads of each other. But I don't know. | ||
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The only thing I've disliked is how marv/koshi treated me today because I'm generally okay as long as people want to talk to me. Then they both decided to talk to me anyway, so now everything is good. | ||
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1) The rayn soul read: This one is awful not because he made a soul read, but because he promised it and then delivered it, the only way he could actually know that he would be able to deliver on the soul read is if he already knew rayn's alignment. And despite this soul read he didn't sheep rayn onto jat until very, very late in the cycle. 2) wanting to lynch me today Less scummy, but still. He repeatedly asked other people to convince him to vote me because he maintains he cannot read me (and apparently isn't even trying). To counterbalance these, he has been very trolly and unapologetic about not participating in the game, and that behavior generally is more likely to be town. I feel like my first reason (regarding the rayn read) is actually a very good reason to lynch him though, but I'm going to finish going through the game before I turn on the tunneler2000™ to try to kill him. Maybe I'll find something juicier and less murky than this. Like I think the point I'm making about the rayn soul read is a really, really good one. | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:29 prplhz wrote: start with this guy i'm only slightly mad. | ||
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I feel like today I've established that I don't want to lynch me/koshi/ff, marv is a wildcard, I want to lynch onegu and prplhz I'm somewhere in the middle, leaning towards not lynching. tomorrow I will read rayn and eden and come to some kind of a conclusion. I'll probably refresh before sleeping so I can answer whatever you might ask. | ||
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and everyone started arguing. Can someone acknowledge that my point is great? | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:35 Palmar wrote: 1) The rayn soul read: This one is awful not because he made a soul read, but because he promised it and then delivered it, the only way he could actually know that he would be able to deliver on the soul read is if he already knew rayn's alignment. And despite this soul read he didn't sheep rayn onto jat until very, very late in the cycle. This one. The main point being that it's basically a fabricated read by definition, he had no idea whether or not there would be enough information to make a read on rayn (look at his metrics, there was no way to know these would be present or not) and then casually delivered. | ||
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On March 17 2015 08:36 marvellosity wrote: if you're gonna be insightful, you kinda have to say it first. still counts if I had no idea you already said it. | ||
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On March 17 2015 16:16 Onegu wrote: Meh, like if you think prplhz is going to keep his vote on himself then sure I'm not in the lead. Rayn is doing his once a game tunnel a townie into being lynched, marv is sheeping him so he can lol at him. Anyway lynch into prplhz, Eden, palmar. There is at least one if not 2 scum in that group. After all I have done today how can I possibly still be mafia in your mind? | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:51 Palmar wrote: I just voted rayn to poke the bear. I feel like rayn has been doing things today and I'm a massive sucker for people that call town. When I last left the thread I was reading through rayn's filter and I was trying to figure out the timeline of his JAT read, I recall there being a gap in his posting (a night or something) and at first I thought it was scummy (how his treatment of jat changed from before the night to after) but I think I read some more that convinced me otherwise. This is what I'm doing now. To follow up on this, I went to sleep last night feeling fairly confident rayn is town. I am going to summarize what I'm talking about here later today (I've got two meetings etc coming up, so I can't right now). So until further notice, rayn is off the lynch table, and my table looks like this: Do not lynch: Koshi FF rayn Maaybe lynch (but probably not) prplhz Wildcard bitches! marv Lynch: Onegu I need to read Eden, he's the one I have done little to none work on. @Eden I didn't notice you answering my question regarding your comment about marv/jat interaction from back on day 1. | ||
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3 times I lynched him day 1 1 time (Imperial) he survived the game. I still called him mafia and tried to lynch him on day... 4? Like I'm tempted to just say "fuck it, it's time someone else does something about marv when he's mafia". | ||
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On March 17 2015 18:50 marvellosity wrote: don't think those stats are true ^ one of the games was Shadow. Shadow was in 2013 ![]() | ||
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If we disregard me lynching you on day 1, you have been lynched as mafia ONCE since 2012 | ||
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On March 17 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote: my point stands too, you can't kill me past d1. ha! I know! | ||
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On March 17 2015 20:09 marvellosity wrote: see this is why i can't take anything you say remotely seriously. No, you're just being obtuse. You KNOW you have a massively long filter, you KNOW I am actually trying to get the game solved and you're intentionally being a dick about it. Like if you are actually interested in this game you could simply say "yeah still voting, I gave my reasons here -linky-" or "no I changed my vote on onegu" (which in hindsight, I think you may have done). | ||
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On March 17 2015 20:13 marvellosity wrote: no, you're being a massive dick. if you're trying to solve the game today, you should be reading the game TODAY. sure you missed stuff in my massively long filter before, whatever. But if you're going to claim today is the day you're genuinely trying to solve the game, you should actually be reading the thread and understanding what's going on in it. I am, sadly, your posts aren't really all that useful when it comes to helping me solve the game. I also didn't dive really hard into the argument between rayn and Eden because I hadn't (and still haven't) finalized reads on them for the day. Forgetting where exactly your vote is at the moment is no big deal. | ||
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On March 17 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote: takes some balls to be that massive a hypocrite, so grats. No I'm being reasonably suspicious. As we've just established, if I'm not suspicious of you, no one else is going to be. You don't need any help not getting lynched, you're one of the least lynchable guys on TL. So, just be fine with me being unsure about your alignment and actually do shit with me today. | ||
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On March 17 2015 20:16 marvellosity wrote: For example, you are voting someone, and one of his very few posts today references where my vote is. It's like you're not paying attention at all. so whatever. Can you stop pointing out that I don't memorize/read attentively every post in the thread? We've already established that is true. | ||
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You're not trying to lynch me at the moment. What do you think my alignment is and why? | ||
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On March 17 2015 20:31 marvellosity wrote: sorry Palmar, I just don't see the point in talking to you about your alignment. Like it essentially doesn't matter what i do, you're never going to call me town at this stage. And my vote isn't on you so it doesn't matter what I think of you beyond that. I have 0% faith that such a conversation brings either of us anything. I don't see talking about your alignment as starting a back and forth. Try something that isn't to do with you, or me. Then I'm game. I tried rayn. This much I do remember that you super hedged your bets on rayn today when you decided to sheep him. Well I would like you to try to form a stronger read on rayn. Things like "his slot is your nightmare" and "if he's mafia I can go ner ner ner" and "ride and die with rayn" aren't particularly useful for actually winning the game. If I am alive tomorrow and you aren't, I need to know what your opinion on rayn are. Also, it's irrelevant what I think of you. Me being unsure about your alignment simply means you will never get lynched ever like just about every other scenario. That's why I didn't suggest we talk about your alignment. Unlike you I am one of the most lynchable players on TL. Half of TL gets raging boners just from the thought of lynching me, so depending on how today goes, your opinion on me is going to be important going forward. The exact scenario I described with rayn is also true about me. If you think I'm town you NEED to say so, you need to make people understand that if you're not here I should not be lynched. Unless of course you think I should be lynched? | ||
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On March 17 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote: it kinda depends how this lynch goes, doesn't it? Why? Either you believe his reasons are good or not. The result of the flip is almost completely irrelevant. | ||
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On March 17 2015 20:44 marvellosity wrote: Don't give me that bs. If ritoky flipped mafia would we be having any of these discussions? If you believe what you wrote in that post, go flick through the pages on D2 I tried to solve the game and tell me how I can do anything better. (p29-33 or so?) The result of the flip is quite clearly fucking relevant. wow much mad | ||
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I've repeatedly said that I don't blame you for the ritoky thing. It's noteworthy, but if you're mafia, that's not why. I believed your reasons and voted with you. Hence, my read on you doesn't hinge on that particular instance of play. Whereas it seems your read on rayn will be based upon this lynch today. Now who's not reading the thread? ![]() | ||
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On March 17 2015 20:53 Koshi wrote: marv is mafia Palmar. Just vote him. I know but I'm enjoying this so much ![]() | ||
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##vote marvellosity What? You said I could do what I liked ![]() | ||
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I believe Koshi is town for killing JAT and because he's one of our only 2 claimed blues. I believe FF is town because CENSORED I know I am town I believe prplhz is town because marv thinks he's town. This is basically regardless of marv's alignment. I don't know what Eden is I believe marv is a bit of a wildcard, but I don't think he's actively trying to figure the game out, despite me reaching out repeatedly today to try to get things done. I believe Onegu is mafia | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:05 marvellosity wrote: so you're going to vote for your wildcard as one of the very few people actually voting the person you believe is mafia? gj Do you think I should do something else? | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:12 Koshi wrote: Maybe people should stop posting and read the small filters. aka Onegu / prplhz already did that! | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:11 marvellosity wrote: I would think it's normal to vote for who you think is "mafia" rather than "wildcard", but maybe I play the game weirdly. But my top townread Koshi is voting for you, that should count for something? | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:14 Koshi wrote: What of value is there in prplhz his filter that looks townie? Something past page 10? I mostly didn't townread prplhz for his filter, it's quite bad in places. I just thought that his reaction to me calling him mafia today was kind of okay, he seemed genuinely frustrated with me. Also he did go find a comparison for JAT to another game to show JAT was doing mafia things. Ignoring the validity of the meta, putting in that work is arguably townie. | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:15 marvellosity wrote: nope If you claim and flip mafia I'll tell you what the tell is btw ![]() | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:19 Koshi wrote: prplhz did 2 townie things on Day 1. Nobody gives a fuck anymore. Reading him town for that is EXTREMELY SCUMMY or fucking dumb. Like somebody pointed out prplhz made some really strange defending posts around JAT just as well. So that counters that townie thing. prplhz is the best lynch if we don't want to lynch marv. 100% certain. Onegu looks pretty town tbh. Looks like he solved the game to a point he can't anymore. And it looks legit. I was the one who pointed that out. (because y'know, I've actually been reading filters and doing game-solvey things!) Maybe. I still think my point regarding Onegu is an extremely good one. But okay. Also, if Marv is actually mafia, Eden's gloves comment is almost enough for me to clear Eden, which would be nice because in that case we just lynch prplhz and Onegu in whatever order and win game. | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:25 Koshi wrote: You are a dumbass. Because marv his read on ritoky was 100% as well right????????????????? marv can be wrong on a townread as town. What? He is only right on fucking townreads and could be wrong on scumreads? Go away. Eh it's not that simple. Here, I'll show you an example: On March 10 2015 20:20 Palmar wrote: ok I'm done with today. option a) lynch prplhz option b) lynch JAT I don't particularly care which one. They can find out between themselves. I wrote this on day 1, and to further clarify the prplhz part, there's this: On March 10 2015 19:45 Palmar wrote: Rayn I actually thought was town based on his "everyone who has posted is town". While I thought the JAT thing was uncertain I actually really liked the idea that everyone who had posted at that time was town. Then it turned out to be some weird trap play he hasn't pushed at all since so now I'm not so sure. I don't think I want to lynch him yet, but I'm very much conflicted on his alignment. I liked marv's entrance, it felt unforced. Aside from that he's been a bit shit, but nothing out of the ordinary. No reason to tunnel right now. Slightly leaning town. Onegu best player. I honestly have no idea what he is. prplhz has been mega shit. Like he's actually a really good shot at being mafia because he had literally nothing exciting to say when he entered the game. It wasn't even funny, and generally mafia tend to be far less funny than townies. rsoultin idk. I think I recall some semi-townie posts from early game. But I'm not gonna make a call one way or the other. JAT. Leaning mafia, but I always lean mafia on him. he's not a hard read though when the game picks up. If prplhz shows up I'm more than ok with lynching JAT. LS town. I'm pretty sure LS is so transparent that if he ever rolls mafia he'll just straight up admit to it. I loved his entrance and he is probably my strongest townread atm. His reaction to my scumclaim basically confirms him town to me. ritoky feels actually sort of townie to me. I think this is mostly a tone read, his jokes feel like he really doesn't give a shit I guess. Koshi. Got mad that he was being voted. Then after getting mad he did what we wanted him to do anyway which either means he's massively submissive or mafia. Eden I don't know. Damdred is probably town. I liked him in the early game so I think we should remain friends. (somewhere in between I actually voted JAT, I have no idea why I did that because to me it looks like I wanted to kill prplhz more at the time...) Marv responded to this here: On March 10 2015 20:22 marvellosity wrote: I don't like your prplhz read very much. Notice how his response is not "Why do you think prplhz is mafia, can you elaborate" or "actually this is why prplhz is town palmar". It's a simple shut-down answer. The only reason marv would make a shut-down answer is. a) Because he's certain that I must be mafia and doesn't want to talk to me b) Because he's certain prplhz is town Marv has since downplayed the strength of the read, but I feel that throughout the game his townread on prplhz has been very, very strong and beyond both questioning and reassessment. His ritoky read was more of a "well ok here's why he could be mafia, but he could also be town". | ||
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that's not MY argument btw. what I said is that his read was planned. Let's take this hypothetical situaion. 1. I announced I'm gonna soul-read marv 2. marv dies (literally) 3. I announce marv is scum/town for dying ... (this got dark fast) The problem is that he knew he was going to make the soul read, before any of the parameters that he was going to use to make the read were present in the thread. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:28 Koshi wrote: Palmar: doing stuff but really marv and rayn are impossible to work with Oh you don't have to be so modest, you were impossible to work with too! Give yourself a pat on the back. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:35 marvellosity wrote: this is kinda fantastic I agree! | ||
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On March 12 2015 00:12 Eden1892 wrote: God damn it once again I have a double at work and people are pushing me. I'll do what I can today to defend myself but this is pretty annoying. Damdred you called me town for my big reads post yesterday. What changed? You've said a couple times since that "this isn't my town game" but haven't covered why this is, and you kinda need to since you pretty openly called it my town game not that long ago and nothing has changed about my play since then. marv you upgraded me to town earlier, again nothing I've done since then has changed but now you moved me down to your lowest tier in your list post? Why? Why do you like Koshi's play more today when nothing has really changed about his either? And why do you keep handling JAT with kid gloves all of today, anyway? Koshi what are you doing man? Damdred could be silly and marv could be mafia but I'm pretty sure you aren't. You said I had "failed to show any form of inteligent argument within a conversation." What is that? Did you even read my big reads post man? C'mon. I have no idea how to even defend myself against some of this. I feel like JAT is probably still mafia for not even trying to figure things out (and should absolutely be the lynch today over me even if you suspect both of us), there's a decent chance marv is mafia because he should know better and he's handling JAT all weird. Third one idk yet This is actually a fantastic post. | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:12 Koshi wrote: Like.. I got a feeling marv is the cop tbh. But w.e. He can die as a blue. It's okay, I'll counterclaim whatever he claims. | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv handling JAT with kid gloves sounds nasty. ![]() Rayn... it's time. | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:28 marvellosity wrote: couldn't agree more :D See how insightful I am, could you call me town please? | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do some people have FF as possible mafia when there is no way he is mafia? prplhz and Eden? Or was it Eden? or Onegu, i have to check. To be honest he's the biggest wildcard here. we're just assuming he's town because *BLAM* HERESY | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:30 marvellosity wrote: no, because i will have you lynched if i get lynched :> wait what? | ||
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Eden Rayn Koshi Palmar FF soooo... I hardly even care anymore. We just lynch marv/onegu/prplhz in whatever order and game was nice. | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:32 marvellosity wrote: probably best you don't try to understand, i will explain at deadline if i am getting lynched ![]() ..................................................................... You mafia! | ||
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Let's make history boys. | ||
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On March 18 2015 01:17 Koshi wrote: rayn palmar and marv are mafia. Why am I back on the table? | ||
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On March 18 2015 01:46 marvellosity wrote: or me because god-damn i cannot do this another 60h. I think I'm starting to get it. This is why people a) love lynching me, and b) almost always go through with it. I don't give up, I clarify, re-clarify and talk until people get mad from listening to me. I fight, I resist and I never give up throughout the entire process. No just combine that with entire TL Mafia being really into raping, and you get it. Everyone else has figured out it's best to play dead. Raping Palmar is still fun. | ||
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On March 18 2015 02:00 marvellosity wrote: fuck off. you think people have a hard on for lynching you. Here's the truth: they don't. You just play shit constantly so they try to lynch you. You're not special. People love the idea of lynching me way more than they love the idea of lynching you. It just happens a lot less because I tend to play relatively near max capacity most of the time. You are not special, you are just shit. That's why people go through with it. Lol all this mad. | ||
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On March 18 2015 02:07 marvellosity wrote: You're #1 town sexy beard man Aww thanks Marv! | ||
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On March 18 2015 02:11 marvellosity wrote: I hate beards ![]() Reported for facial hairism | ||
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On March 18 2015 02:15 marvellosity wrote: it's nothing exciting. I just make sure town lynches you if they lynch me. Yeah but how? | ||
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On March 18 2015 02:16 marvellosity wrote: i tell them you are mafia But what if they don't listen? | ||
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On March 18 2015 02:22 prplhz wrote: what's with people and gender pronouns this game Get with the times we're all genderqueer now son | ||
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I'll lynch Marv for TMI or something | ||
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On March 18 2015 04:55 Koshi wrote: Been a spineless fuck the entire game. Now wants to proof his worth. Doesn't bring anything to the table. gg. Lynch Palmar after prplhz w.e prplhz flips. rsoultin was right. Because the narrative that I actually did something today, came to a conclusion and now I'm sticking with that conclusion is of course completely insane? | ||
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On March 18 2015 05:51 marvellosity wrote: I am coming for Palmar tomorrow if prplhz is mafia Holy shit is it Marv/prplhz? | ||
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Also just call me mafia if you're going to. I don't see how me refusing to vote town prplhz would be any better if I have been dishonest in the way I've gone for you today. Like I don't see why prplhz alignment is relevant. | ||
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On March 18 2015 05:51 marvellosity wrote: I am coming for Palmar tomorrow if prplhz is mafia. The way he pursues me today is terrible. The way Palmar repeatedly cites my townread on prplhz for the reason he leaves him alone even though I repeatedly doubted that townread in the thread. Also If prplhz flips mafia, I'm literally fine with everyone calling my ass mafia. I don't care. If we can't close the game after that I hardly even care. So please, come after me. | ||
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On March 18 2015 05:57 marvellosity wrote: you're mafia. So given all the metrics that you know, the things I've posted and the general state of the game, are you now convinced I am mafia? Like is this what you genuinely believe? | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:07 marvellosity wrote: in what world does that make me mafia, you dumb fuck? This one? Like I keep trying to reconcile your thing you did when I was trying to get discussion going with you with you being town. It doesn't fit. If you think I'm town, you know that I can be a half-decent scumhunter when I put my mind to it and you know I can help you. In addition you don't seem very confident in your read of the state of the game so in theory you do need help. So even if I'm a flawed town player, I'm not terrible. There is literally no reason for you as town to instead of repeatedly going "I can't take anything you say seriously" to just extend a hand and see what is out there. On the other hand, if you think I'm mafia, there is obviously no point in talking to me, but why didn't you say so then? That would've been much easier. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:33 marvellosity wrote: you're an insane lunatic if you think i openly antagonise you as mafia today. But why would you do it as town! Like I 100% admit that a big reason I'm voting you is I'm heartbroken. | ||
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I'm not, that's just a flat out lie. I'm one of the most genuinely nice people on TL Mafia. Look at this mess, I am not angry. I am slightly sad but mostly I've popped open a beer and I'm really, really enjoying the show. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:44 marvellosity wrote: Palmar is town. Eden is mafia. ♥ | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:49 Eden1892 wrote: No it's not! I've never been mislynched ever on TL. Get the FUCK OFF ME hahahahhaa Do you seriously think that makes me want to lynch you less? | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:49 marvellosity wrote: you're right. you're town. hope you like it. I love it, did you not see the giant heart? | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:50 Koshi wrote: WHO IS MAFIA WITH EDEN YOU FUCKERS?????????? marv. clearly. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:52 Eden1892 wrote: WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH Y'ALL I AM NEVER MAFIA HERE. 25 PAGE FILTER. CAME BACK TO PUSH SOMEONE AT EOD WHEN I COULD LYNCH EITHER WAGON THAT ISN'T MY PARTNER OR BUS. I AM NOT MAFIA, GET OFF ME NOW Relax robik. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:53 Eden1892 wrote: THIS IS SUCH BULLSHIT. TOWN IS DISORGANIZED AND I COME BACK TO TRY TO HELP AND SOMEHOW I'M MAFIA??? GET. THE. FUCK. OFF. ME. NOW rofl I like how that paints the picture that we're just rabid dogs and will literally fuck over anything that dares to come anywhere near. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:54 Eden1892 wrote: Palmar should be modkilled for playing against wincon if he's town 100% Who should I lynch tomorrow? Marv? | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:54 marvellosity wrote: 50 PAGE FILTER SO WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR ME YOU ONLY HAVE HALF THE TOWNINESS LOL Such math. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:55 Eden1892 wrote: I hope you're modkilled tbf But if you're not then marv I can't be modkilled for being wrong sooooo /shrug. | ||
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WE ARE DISORGANIZED WE HAVE NO CLUE WTF IS GOING ON WE MAKE TERRIBLE DECISIONS WE ARE TL MAFIA. | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:08 marvellosity wrote: like i am on onegu all day then switch back to onegu when it matters? like i am never, ever mafia. it's great. ♠ | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:09 Eden1892 wrote: ray and FF are never mafia. kinda think prplhz still town. Onegu on him d2 but I gotta figure out why before I confirm/reject this. Koshi still v. town. marv... no, I'm not ready to say it yet. Nope. Not saying it. Palmar might be mafia? Ya that EOD kinda points to Palmar. Fine we're ahead. Kill me, then kill marv. | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:10 marvellosity wrote: how can you even be calling me mafia right now? it's senseless. Who is? | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:10 Eden1892 wrote: Don't you dare cop out with this shit You keep playing I always keep playing. I'm like more town than you because of ze filters. | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:11 marvellosity wrote: lol it doesn't even matter. literally anyone who did not help to kill onegu. not the people who helped kill onegu (namely FF, rayn, me) you MUST be able to see this So it's Eden? Because you're probably not turning around on Koshi, and you already said I'm town and you know I'm town. soooooo... okay! Good to know where you stand. | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:14 marvellosity wrote: i totes retract my townread on you after all suck my dick :D Hah, you just activated my trap card. Now you're mafia. | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:15 marvellosity wrote: lmao. ok Palmar. best thing is, i can ignore you now ![]() probably yeah. | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:19 marvellosity wrote: oooh redchecks are valid You think we have an unclaimed cop somewhere? that'd be rad tbh. | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:22 Eden1892 wrote: What about the "Actually try to solve the game" strategy Is that one still in your playbook because that would be great right now over the "Lazily default to XYZ" strategy What do you think "rethink" means? | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:23 marvellosity wrote: good job you voted for him then oh awks this is only valid if you're town. | ||
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On March 18 2015 15:30 Eden1892 wrote: I love how I'm going to be around to do it since nobody else is a viable ML You say that as you make a case on me who is confirmed town. | ||
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Any claim not made ASAP tomorrow (after daypost) is 100% fake. That is the last time in this game claims can possibly count for anything. | ||
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On March 18 2015 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar can you explain why you retracted from your vigi claim when you did? Because LS was going to claim roleblocker and having roleblocked me? | ||
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On March 18 2015 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah well like what does it matter? I mean like first you treat LS in a jokingly manner but suddenly your attitude totally changes for some reason. I was always going to retract the claim. I townread LS in like the first three posts of the game and never wavered. But he didn't actually claim but instead went afk. I don't believe my attitude changed at all, well I was super disappointed he left the thread because I thought I could really have fun with the whole thing. | ||
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also I'm a bit sad that I literally said onegu was mafia but voted with my heart instead of with my brain. | ||
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On March 19 2015 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar who is mafia and why? I currently don't know. I was fairly convinced it was marv. Now I'm less sure. | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:02 Palmar wrote: I believe rayn is town based on the way he handled JAT day 1. I believe Koshi is town for killing JAT and because he's one of our only 2 claimed blues. I believe FF is town because CENSORED I know I am town I believe prplhz is town because marv thinks he's town. This is basically regardless of marv's alignment. I don't know what Eden is I believe marv is a bit of a wildcard, but I don't think he's actively trying to figure the game out, despite me reaching out repeatedly today to try to get things done. I believe Onegu is mafia I did like Eden's comments about marv handling JAT with kid gloves, and I also said that his JAT thing didn't look very bussy at all, but as I mentioned during the lynch hour last night I was missing him at that time. Overall slightly less likely to be mafia. Marv is less likely to be mafia too, mostly for tonight, much less for voting the correct wagon yesterday (that's easy enough to do...). So, by PoE it's probably me? BUT I already said there needs to be extra work done, now we have more information. there's approximately 0% chance I'll get shot tonight, and even if I do that last post is pretty good to show you where I stand. | ||
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On March 19 2015 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: So what have you been doing since the phase change then? Nothing really, I've mostly taken the day off. | ||
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On March 19 2015 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: but i want you to play and say smart stuff. no laziness approved now Palmar. I'm sorry but yes. I am not going to play much today. I generally don't compromise on the time I have available to play mafia. I did play too much over the past 2 days and I am, like it or not, going to take today and tonight off to do real life things. So I'm not doing any research today. I might respond occasionally, but I'm not going to be re-reading and researching. | ||
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I just think you're a lot better at mafia than me. | ||
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On March 19 2015 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to fucking hate this town for being lazy if we lose this game... There is no way this town loses for being lazy rayn, stop being overdramatic. If this town loses it's to amazing mafia play. We killed 2/3 of the mafia in 3 days with only a single mislynch on some guy who trolled (much harder than I did) throughout half the game. There are 7 people alive, 1 of which is mafia. Every single one is in double digit pages of filter length. There IS enough evidence in the thread, we just need to find it. | ||
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On March 19 2015 01:19 marvellosity wrote: that doesn't change the point though. let's say your mafia range is 0-30 and you are playing at 50 my mafia range is 0-60 and I am playing at 85 the result is still the same. Numbers are purely illustrative For the sake of this argument I'll assume you're town. My mafia range is maybe 0-30 and I'm playing at 85 your mafia range is maybe 0-60 and you're playing at 85 See how it changes? suddenly it should be a lot more obvious that I am town, if you get what I mean? | ||
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On March 19 2015 01:22 marvellosity wrote: Actually that isn't the problem, the problem is the opposite. The problem is there is so much evidence. Not that there's so much it's hard to look through (although maybe) but because you will always end up with conflicting things and you end up trying to weigh relative merits of things. Like I can make really excellent towncases on everyone alive. But one is wrong Yes, obviously. I'm just pointing out we're actually quite fortunate the game won't come down to us lynching 2-3 afk townies in a row which is the definition of a game lost to laziness. | ||
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On March 19 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote: I was going to reply but it will end up in a pointless discussion about semantics and poking fun, and well, meh :> I'll take that as you admitting I won this argument. | ||
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On March 19 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: then say something. like i can't believe neither of you three fail to do anything without being prodded to do something. it's really BS. Read my entire filter from yesterday if you need something from me. prodding has nothing to do with it. You can "prod" me tomorrow and suddenly I'll be doing things "because you prodded me". I'm taking a day off because I don't want to spend time playing right now. | ||
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On March 19 2015 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah here is one thing: and i don't think you cared that much about lynching mafia. I can't change what you think. I know I did, and I'm telling you I did. Yes, Onegu checked all the mafia boxes as I explained. I just wanted to be sure. | ||
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On March 19 2015 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like Palmar. From your D3 i read it looks like you are trying to make marv contribute. Okay that's fine. When he doesn't work like you want him to you start..idk.. try to convince him he is mafia? Then you vote for him while saying he is a wildcard and Onegu is mafia, when marv is lynching Onegu.... I can't understand this. I talk to marv somewhat differently than most other people. He'll tell you that what I was doing was a fairly normal attempting to read him while slowly talking myself in one way or the other. Also, you know I don't make associative reads, or at least not in the way you're implying I should have. | ||
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On March 19 2015 02:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: My main point is i never got the feeling you were trying to convince the rest of the people marv is mafia, only him. Because I was never certain. I'm still not certain on his alignment one way or the other. | ||
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On March 19 2015 02:32 marvellosity wrote: if you were never certain on me, why didn't you vote Onegu ;( Because big plays. | ||
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On March 19 2015 02:34 marvellosity wrote: no, that's not why you are better at Day 1s dear. Maybe a small part, but that really is not why. I'm intrigued, why am I better at day 1s in your opinion? I mean I understand the main part is that I have no biases so it allows me to look completely objectively on the game, whereas later I keep trying to lynch people who disagree with me or call me mafia. But having a full grasp of a game definitely helps. | ||
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I wanted to lynch marv. Is that not a good enough answer? | ||
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On the other hand, what if I'm wrong? If marv supports a mislynch on townOnegu led by me I am probably going to get into another argument for 2 days with marv, who at the time I was reasonably sure was mafia. Also, I'm not lying when I talked about really, really wanting to not go with the easiest lynch that day. I felt like that strategy failed us during the ritoky thing. | ||
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Is there ANYONE in the thread that thought Onegu was town? Isn't it absolutely clear that whoever Onegu's partner is, bussed him? | ||
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On March 19 2015 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did you see how much resistance there was regarding lynching Onegu? Even when you count Koshi out. There were wagons on prplhz, marv and Eden (even me). Like i don't understand how you can even come to that conclusion. sure, but just about everyone on those alternate wagons was all like "yeah but Onegu is probably mafia too". He was being actively called mafia by his partner, whether or not his partner voted for him I don't know. If I am mafia here rayn, do you think I actually thought marv was going to be lynched when the Eden wagon disintegrated and I went back to marv? | ||
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On March 19 2015 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like every single person was a viable lynch candidate at some point of the day except for: Palmar Koshi FF. And your argument is "Onegu was definitely bussed"??? People did try to lynch me early before I went all confirmed town. | ||
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On March 19 2015 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, probably not but what does it matter? Like you do not gain any credit for voting Onegu at that point if you are mafia because you have been pushing everything else the whole day anyways... Everything else is a bit of an overstatement. Don't fall into the trap that everyone who doesn't push absolutely the correct things at all the time is mafia. My explanation is quite simple. Even if marv is town, I narrowed mafia down to 2 people and at least one of them was mafia. Yes unfortunately I pushed the one that's possibly wrong, but still. | ||
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On March 19 2015 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you still think marv is mafia? It's a possibility. I think it's less likely than I thought it was yesterday. | ||
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On March 19 2015 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: The how does it make sense you say "i thought two people are scum, Onegu and marv and i pushed the "wrong" one" if your original assumption is they could very well be scum together? Well one of them is confirmed mafia, and the other one is now less likely to be mafia than I previously thought. By definition that makes my push yesterday the wrong one in hindsight given my current worldview. | ||
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I'd quote them for you but while of course it matters somewhat. Onegu flipping doesn't really have much to do with what I think of Marv | ||
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On March 19 2015 03:56 Eden1892 wrote: Ray what exactly do/did you need explained? Marv too. I know the ritoky thing is one. What else? Palmar I don't think you said anything about my research in the night. It implicates you pretty strongly in my mind. What do you have to say about it? Also marv just cuz Onegu is a busser doesn't mean he always busses. I will need to look at his past games but I've seen Onegu be mafia once or twice before. I don't remember him bussing a partner the whole time and not ever doing anything else. Why should I say anything about it? There is one post from me there and I've explained quite thoroughly to rayn why I didnt vote Onegu. The rest is just posts from other people talking about me so I don't see why you need my input | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:16 Eden1892 wrote: Palmar tho. He votes JAT cuz he claims he sheeps people who care, which actually sounds hella legit. Then he's all like "lol JAT worst euro ml'd d1" and other outright trolling. I have no clue what to make of it. Palmar, why did you switch to JAT d1? The train was on him, koshi seemed quite passionate about it and I had been scum reading jat all day anyway. | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:33 Eden1892 wrote: ok, that checks out actually. I should have looked further at your filter than just near EOD Like I'm obviously overplaying it a bit because I like patting myself on the back, but there is a reason the sex list explicitly had JAT as mafia. | ||
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If it's Eden I've been pushing townies left and right and now I'm talking myself into townreading scum again. If it's rayn Koshi and Eden are somewhat vindicated (and marv from day 1 I suppose). If it's FF we lose and everyone is shit. If it's Koshi we lose and everyone is shit. If it's marv I'm super vindicated and town hero if it's prplhz at least my primary reason for starting to suspect marv was legit as fuck. | ||
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Of all the people (aside from maybe FF) he seems the least interested in the game anyway. | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: then we can both call marv really bad based on D1 stuff ![]() I will have literally pointed out 2 mafia and them to figure it out between themselves, only to have marv take a bit of a dump over that. So yes, that'd be fucking wonderful ![]() | ||
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Did prplhz ever question marv's townread on him in any way. I know marv townread prplhz quite a bit through the first cycle, but I also seem to recall prplhz defending marv (again, remember that I truly believed they were masons at the time). | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:04 Eden1892 wrote: Am I town yet? I wanna go play with my puppy dog instead of rereading You have to ask rayn I kinda think you're town. | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:19 prplhz wrote: i self voted once and i don't really know how much i was planning on going through with it. of course i was in the moment but people do shit in the moment. you self voted once, i really doubt you were planning on following through with it either. also i defended myself against rayn like yesterday so obviously you don't know what "every time" means. i'm also not claiming that i'm okay being lynched, just that if i am going to get lynched, being lynched for predicting scum had a godfather isn't the worst thing to be lynched for. though i kind of blew it right now by saying i don't remember why i even said that. you on the other hand want whoever the fuck to be mafia so it doesn't hurt your ego. how the fuck is that playing to your win condition? we have 2 fucking days to look into this it's not imperative that i look into this right now when i'm busy with other things so please shove off On March 17 2015 07:23 prplhz wrote: better sheep him then ##Vote prplhz On March 17 2015 23:34 prplhz wrote: i'm okay with lynching marv/onegu/prplhz in whatever order i suggest we start with me because that will mean i don't have to come back to this thread to vote again ##Vote prplhz LAL policy lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:31 prplhz wrote: ##Vote Koshi super secret reasons, can't tell did he explain? | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:29 marvellosity wrote: gonna be totes annoyed that people shat on my emotional disconnect thing if prpy is mafia and i will also grant that palmar may have had a grounds to think i was being weird I have no idea what your emotional disconnect thing. Is that the same observation as I made (probably after you) that prplhz seems the least interested/invested in the game? | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:38 prplhz wrote: that's a great argument why didn't you use that on onegu who didn't give a fuck at any point in the game (which i clearly did) didn't need to. I already had proven he was mafia and had a fantastic reason for it (The fact he decided to read someone with no knowledge whether or not that person could be read). Now, who's mafia And if you say "Palmar", we can't be friends. | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:42 prplhz wrote: ALRIGHT THAT'S WHY YOU DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE YOU HAD A FANTASTIC REASON FOR HIM BEING SCUM ALRIGHT GOOD ONE PALMAR yes... we've already been through this bro. | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:44 prplhz wrote: okay i'm going to ignore palmar for a while now this doesn't really seem to have a beneficial purpose I'm not asking difficult questions. Who's mafia? | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: if not him the npalmar. I don't know if happy he doesn't want to lynch me now, or mad that he wants to lynch me at all. | ||
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It was you who broke my trust. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:09 Koshi wrote: And the night kills are so ballsy. Palmar is a real man. ##vote: Palmar To be honest, I am seriously impressed with the nightkills too. | ||
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On March 17 2015 20:53 Koshi wrote: marv is mafia Palmar. Just vote him. Btw why would you ever say this (and vote him twice during the day) just on the off chance town is pants on head retarded and vote switches you or some random shit. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote Palmar You're not confirmed so you have to explain why you think I'm mafia. If I am mafia there is something in my filter that makes me mafia and you have to find it. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:14 Eden1892 wrote: Koshi confirmed town. If there's a framer then I'm pretty sure marv is still town and prplhz is the framer. If there isn't one both are confirmed town. ray would have to have co-led charge with Koshi d1 on his buddy and then flip to Onegu when he could ML me to be mafia. Seems not legit. That pretty much leaves Palmar but that still doesn't seem right :/ I like how you've PoE'd yourself after I flip. Which strangely enough isn't actually very scummy at all. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:14 marvellosity wrote: You have to do the same for rayn, then. yeah I know. I'm most likely dead but I'm just laying down ground rules for this phase. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:16 Eden1892 wrote: You see my issue here? You don't seem right as the final mafia, but you literally have to be unless we have a framer. That, or marv was right day 1, rayn bussed the fuck out of JAT and then counterclaimed him to seal the lynch. To be completely honest, if you aren't mafia, whoever is mafia actually counterclaimed JAT on the medic thing (be it me or rayn) which is kinda amazing. Like I'm so sad that I'm not mafia here. The nightkills are ballsy as fuck Counterclaiming your team for extra lulz. It's just cool play in general. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe prplhz is a framer and framed hmself. But i don't believe in framer + gf. framer gf and miller means that 27% of the cop checks are going to be wrong. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:19 Koshi wrote: I am going to amuse myself and count how many times Palmar is going to call the last mafia player brilliant. haha | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:19 marvellosity wrote: it's totally a lie, you love unwinnable spots. I know ![]() | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:20 marvellosity wrote: there is literally ZERO percent chance that HF puts in gf+framer+miller i would bet my life, my mum's life, and Palmar's life on it betting rules. Host modkill pls. | ||
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And then I'll get lynched at the end and everything will be great. Can we no-lynch today btw? I think we gain an extra day that way. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:27 Eden1892 wrote: how about you start by giving the sparknotes version of why you think it's ray? I don't have any. Clearly this is where I start manufacturing these notes. Also it could of course be you. You overreacted a bit to this thing. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:26 Eden1892 wrote: would i rather give koshi 24 hours with your flip to figure things out or give you 72 hours to convince me it's not you that's kind of a hard question. my gut says koshi In theory I should like the no-lynch idea, but it's going to be too much I think ![]() | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:31 Koshi wrote: Shall we ask Holyflare if we can double lynch to end the day and game? If we hit 2 times town we lose. No. If I'm mafia that's incredibly favorable to town. | ||
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There is a teeny tiny chance I can dodge the lynch today. But there is no chance I can dodge a double lynch. I'd rather take my teeny tiny chance twice than no chance once. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:32 Eden1892 wrote: You said you thought it's ray. Why? And yeah I reacted strongly, I was sure it was prplhz and now if it's not you I'm fucked. Like ray has this shit literally 100% locked up if somehow you're not mafia and he is. I have 0 chance arguing against the guy that co-led the lynch on JAT and was important in hammering Onegu over me. This is not a good place to be in. I already said, reasons later. I have to find them. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:38 Eden1892 wrote: So Palmar has no explanation for why he is fishing for any lynch that lets him get to MYLO with his best target (me) intact not YET. | ||
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I am probably going to spend very little time figuring out which one of rayn and eden is mafia. There are three confirmed townies who do NOT have to worry all day about defending themselves that should have plenty of time to do that. I will be focusing mostly on simply defending myself. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:48 marvellosity wrote: you can't defend yourself. there is nothing you can do. you have to figure out which of the others is mafia. Sure I can. And obviously figuring them out will be a byproduct of me defending myself. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:48 prplhz wrote: hey palmar why was night kill ballsy? i mean killing some guy who claimed cop at some point seems like a decent shot? Because we are almost confirmed not to have a medic, and rayn/marv would be far more obvious kills. | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:00 marvellosity wrote: koshi i really wish you'd just waited one more night ![]() I just wish he'd checked me at some point. That would have been good for my blood pressure. | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:01 marvellosity wrote: i kept trying to soft cop. apparently it didn't work. I think I noticed that yesterday. I said something like "if you're gonna blue, blue". | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:05 Koshi wrote: Anyway. Palmar. You are the only one with the balls to do this. rayn is not going to buss his partners when he doesn't have to and then shoot rsoultin and Damdred. Yes I've slowly come to realize that while my role pm my not say so, my spirit is indeed mafia this game. | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:50 marvellosity wrote: srsly though, if Palmar is mafia he never gets a townread from me, ever again, ever. I know. | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:51 Koshi wrote: AND WHY WOULD RAYN LYNCH HIS GF? WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THIS????????????????????????????????????????????????? then put your vote on eden. NOT ME. | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:53 Eden1892 wrote: sort of. i just want to know if i can get away with being a little lazy, because i've been busting my ass all day in this game when i haven't been busting my ass at work, and i foresee this trend continuing for the next 2 days, and i'm tired You think I'm bristling with energy? | ||
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On March 19 2015 17:58 prplhz wrote: palmar called koshi cop in his sex rating post wtf ^^ | ||
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And one of us actually spent a long time talking about it and sort of lead the charge while the other kinda just voted you for something he hadn't really talked about before that day. | ||
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Yes, it appears I read marv wrong, I think I articulated the reasons for that well enough. I correctly got Onegu and JAT and apparently I was also wrong about prplhz who I still waffled on like a million times throughout the game. | ||
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You know in theory it doesn't matter, and you also know that it's more likely to end the game to lynch Eden. Also if it's rayn wouldn't you rather have me than eden in the final day? | ||
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Posts: marvellosity|1154 Koshi|797 Eden1892|688 Palmar|667 raynpelikoneet|623 prplhz|346 Damdred|243 rsoultin|241 LightningStrike|222 justanothertownie|212 ritoky|169 Onegu|158 Fecalfeast|55 Words and Words/Post Eden1892|31645|45.9956395348837 marvellosity|27393|23.7374350086655 raynpelikoneet|21062|33.8073836276083 Koshi|19491|24.4554579673777 Palmar|17931|26.8830584707646 Damdred|11206|46.1152263374486 ritoky|10458|61.8816568047337 LightningStrike|8019|36.1216216216216 prplhz|7577|21.8988439306358 rsoultin|6976|28.9460580912863 justanothertownie|6548|30.8867924528302 Onegu|3010|19.0506329113924 Fecalfeast|2035|37.0 Mafia rating (higher rating = more townie) marvellosity|14.1563048025706 Eden1892|14.0883511882619 Koshi|13.6260436251087 raynpelikoneet|13.6032370677385 Palmar|13.4581371102999 Damdred|12.5092328189272 ritoky|12.2765082983478 prplhz|12.2378193169163 LightningStrike|12.1066535081411 rsoultin|11.9910332223861 justanothertownie|11.8666075377785 Onegu|10.895073325939 Fecalfeast|10.0117737233973 | ||
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On March 19 2015 22:20 Koshi wrote: It is not about being correct Palmar. No it's about you townreading someone who is mafia and lynching me for it. | ||
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On March 19 2015 22:27 Koshi wrote: I am so certain you are mafia that it annoys me reading these kinda points ↑ You're in for a surprise. | ||
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lol that's actually quite good | ||
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On March 10 2015 08:28 marvellosity wrote: I have a total of one light townread. But I'm not telling. This here. You've actually done this quite a bit as mafia, those teasing little "I'm withholding info teehee". I suppose you've done them as town too, but it's much less pronounced. | ||
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On January 25 2015 06:18 marvellosity wrote: not telling mine, though it does partially conflict with someone else's if someone wanted to research my past pyp games it shouldn't be too hard to track down though Imperial: On January 02 2015 04:28 marvellosity wrote: I take this back. Not explaining why for now. Metal: On December 17 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote: somewhat highish, but not for the boring reasons you think | ||
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![]() And yes, throughout the entire game I've been waffling on you because you've been somewhat different in your interactions with me. I mean it's easy to accept all those things now that you have a green check on you, but it's just one weird thing after another that I really, really didn't fit. Like I've at various times gone "fuck it marv is town" and right back to scumreading you, bouncing around all day. And I genuinely believe that it is very dangerous for me to give you a townread which is why I don't do it unless I'm reasonably sure. Like I don't allow myself to think you're town because I know no one else is going to call you mafia. But this may be skewed. Still, imperial hurt. | ||
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But I feel like, even if to date you haven't done it, all of the things you list are quite easily replicated. Or well, not easily, but at least potentially within some super tryhard marv mafia range. And you did stonewall me a bit there, which you did this game too (in hindsight probably differently and for different reasons, but still...) I am fine with not having a perfect read on you. It's been years since I gave up the jig "I have to be the best mafia player possible". Because that is very time-consuming and in the end just not very fun for me. I do always try to be productive for my team though, at least to some extent, while still allowing myself to entertain the other fun aspects of mafia, social interaction and theatrics etc. I had a run where I lynched or tried to lynch mafia on day 1 like 7? 8? games in a row. That's where the whole "Palmar's best at day is day 1" thing comes from. It was sort of fun, but the games have gotten progressively longer and the time invested has become more and more. I am okay with being just a random middle of the pack player. So yeah, I was wrong on you. Big deal, I'm going to be again at some point in the future. | ||
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The grandest of all grand cases. The case for Palmar being Town Written by: Pálmar Presented by Pálmar Chapter 1: The early game hero The absolutely first thing I noticed in the game was Ls's reaction to my scumclaim. I immediately loved it. When rayn suggested that everyone who had posted I was very much on board with the idea so I wrote this post here: On March 10 2015 07:13 Palmar wrote: pretty much yeah. There's an outside chance JAT is mafia, but I'm willing to clear him for the day. I later explained this entire passage here: On March 14 2015 00:14 Palmar wrote: So, two things I've repeatedly referenced but not explained: rayn's betrayal This is rayn in the early game. I looked at this post, double checked the first few posts and thought to myself "hey I actually kinda sorta like that observation". So I responded with this. Obviously these are super weak clears, but I really liked the starting point rayn was going to work from. But then he responded with this: And I just got mad. I've wanted to kill rayn ever since. Because he threw out what I thought was a fairly decent observation and it ended up being a dumb shit trap play. Also, to expand even further on this one, here is WHY I thought he may have had the right idea. I liked Damdred's entrance. It wasn't forced, it was sorta jokey but not in the meek way Damdred enters the thread when he's mafia. It was just a casual joke that I had literally no problems with. I've already explained why I think LS is mafia because of this and I don't think I'll be wavering from that read any time soon. JAT is the one I didn't feel particularly good, hence why I mentioned there being a chance he was mafia. But I decided that maybe rayn had some sort of a read on him and I was okay with sheeping that for now. Which leads me to think rayn himself is town, because he made a very smart observation that I for the most part agreed with. You can imagine how annoyed I was when he turned around and did the trap thing. I can't remember what the other thing is now because this took long to write, but I'll remember soon. I had kinda decided to just sheep whatever wagons I found this game, so when Onegu went for Koshi I randomly chose to sheep it with no reasons: I want to stop here and point out that JAT spewed me town day 1: On March 10 2015 20:03 justanothertownie wrote: Eden because of his general attitude. Palmar because of this post: There is literally no way he is saying this about a scumbuddy. But let's gloss over that and keep going. I remember, reading my own filter, kinda doubting that Koshi was actually taking notes and being suspicious of him for a while. He came back with a post I claimed I could write in 5 minutes (turns out it took me 7) and that post became my first list read or state-of-the-game post. As I'm reading along I also remember being suspicous of him (Koshi) for changing his mind to please marv and I, but I kinda stopped chasing that idea and decided to just vote JAT. I can't even remember why I voted him. I think I called him town early for laughing at a joke or something and then I got mad when he questioned me reading him town for that. I also called him shit a bit, so that seems like a good reason to suspect him. prplhz questioned me and koshi going for JAT and he wrote a post that ticked me (I misunderstood him) see here: Which ended up in me wrinting this oft-quoted post. On March 10 2015 20:20 Palmar wrote: ok I'm done with today. option a) lynch prplhz option b) lynch JAT I don't particularly care which one. They can find out between themselves. This is around the time marv started suspecting rayn, so I made this incredibly best observation: On March 10 2015 22:06 Palmar wrote: sure. It's just that I'm not sure that mafia rayn would be attacking me on something so blatantly wrong. Which is totall just a joke if rayn is mafia. I did then come around to actually want to lynch rayn, mostly because of how he was interrogating LS. At the time I had already formed my very strong townread on Eden AND explained it: On March 10 2015 19:50 Palmar wrote: I'm actually going to elaborate on my LS read: This interaction happened within a minute. If LS is mafia he knows I'm not. If he knows I'm not mafia he doesn't do this very much LS thing where he looks like he genuinely believes I am actually mafia for a second and posts this impulsive post. Ergo, LS is town. QED. Which I think marv agreed with. I left the thread around this time as I usually do and when I came back in the evening I decided to troll a bit and started messing around with posts for no good reason. I did in the process make this tounge-in-cheek jab at JAT though: This is also around the time JAT again starts confirming me town by being annoyed with me basically not playing On March 11 2015 07:11 justanothertownie wrote: He is amusing. It would be more fun if he would actually play the game though. On March 11 2015 07:12 Palmar wrote: confirmed mad at my antics. JAT mafia. Then I went to sleep. When I woke up the morning after I decided it was time to do a sex analysis. Of course that seems like a fairly random move but hey. Oh, and prior to do ing that I voted JAT again because why not. I actually kinda sorta believed my sex analysis and called all the people who were dead serious mafia (rayn, prplhz, koshi, jat). Also apparently I got people's roles correct (Koshi and JAT ![]() For some reason people wanted to lynch eden day 1, I can't even rememeber why, but seeing as I was already throwing my vote around everywhere, I actually decided to just sheep it. followed by a troll vote on marv (this wasn't actually a vote to kill, I just wanted to see if anyone would believe me). I don't think I got much useful out of this stunt. On March 12 2015 04:15 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote marv 100 % mafia. ![]() I'll explain when in front of a computer. When I came back people wanted to kill JAT. I can't remember exactly how the wagon was standing, but I had been calling him mafia and scumreading him all day so I was very much okay with this lynch. I voted him right away: On March 12 2015 06:47 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote JAT I didn't read anything but the post at the top of the page said there's 95% chance we're lynching him so I'm assuming I'm sheeping people who actually care. Not to mention JAT confirmed me town for the third time that day: On March 12 2015 06:57 Palmar wrote: The real question is, why do you lack sex appeal? I then trolled JAT a bit by calling him worst mislynch (tbh I was also hedging my bets so I could say I was okay with mislynching him to ruin his stats). And I saw literally no downside in CC-ing rayn. I felt like I was easily in a strong enough position to withdraw without consequences and trolling rayn a bit in addition to maybe (although no one believed me...) helping him survive if he is actually medic. I think this concludes part 1. Stay tuned for part 2, descent into madness. | ||
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On March 19 2015 23:44 marvellosity wrote: it's actually a pretty good towncase. those happen to be easy to build as town. Like to further emphasize day 1. I'm not a very bus heavy mafia player and if I'm scum I was busing jat from the very beginning of the day. I would never come into a QT and just say "I'm busing all of you, enjoy". That's just not how I play mafia. | ||
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On March 20 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote: but you're sure Eden is town. I don't see why my opinion would count over everyone else's here, not like I've had a grip on the game from start to finish :p Clearly marv best townplayer and most important opinion all other shit. | ||
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These take some time to write you know. | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:13 Eden1892 wrote: So Palmar, a long time back you wrote about how people who get mislynched have only themselves to blame, and you also wrote that townies sometimes have to learn to use bad logic when a thread isn't being logical. What would you recommend when absolutely no one will entertain your idea? I am at a complete loss as to how I'm supposed to convince some of these dumbasses that there is a world where neither of us is mafia. /shrug sometimes you can't win! Never stop trying though. | ||
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Please think of your own thing and post it before looking into my spoiler to see what mine is. + Show Spoiler + Seriously, come up with your own+ Show Spoiler + not joking. It's way more fun or you'll just sheep mine+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Please, it makes no sense to not think of your own funniest moment.+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Okay if you're this far in you're not gonna give it up anyway+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + here goes:+ Show Spoiler + I literally burst out laughing in real life when LS hard claimed having soft claimed. That was one of the greatest moments in mafia ever. | ||
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On March 20 2015 21:08 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Palmar My case: You are not reading Palmar. Or not getting my point. My point is that rayn and Eden their first posts have a lot of value. And because they are both good players I expect their posts to reflect their virgin thoughts on the game. Before all the madness, insanity and rage. When we look at these posts we see that the posts touch each other on multiple fronts. rayn came off a serious bender with Damdred, rereads the game 19 hours later and produces this, there is a cool part about you near the bottom: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2015 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way we are lynching Eden. We are lynching justanothertownie. JAT There are three simple reasons for JAT being mafia. (1) Koshi's post where he says "jat doesn't give that sort of townreads". This is true, asbolutely true. JAT as town is paranoid as fuck and basically NEVER townreads people for that little. Never. (2) JAT is sorta defending me but never tries to find an alternative lynch. Go read his filter, does it look like he actually wants to lynch someone? Like this post: is closest to a scumread he has given in this game. Which brings me to: (3) He isn't actually doing anything. Like, he isn't pushing anything, he isn't giving any reads or thought processes on things. He is just fucking here. Lynch with fire. Onegu I totally retract my townread on Onegu for various reasons. I originally read him as town because i thought as mafia he would give a read on me quite early in the game. I understand i have looked scummy to people (well mainly to marv and rsoultin, others are/were just sheeples), Onegu -- as town -- if he thought i am town would counter people. But he isn't. Still he gives me a townread a bit later on. tbh, if he reads me as scum he is 100% mafia, but still, his reasoning is crap crappy crap. It doesn't even mean anything like marv mentioned because yes, i do those things as either alignment. My conclusion here is the same as JAT point (2) -- Onegu does not want to call me mafia but doesn't want to actually defend me either (or find an alternative lynch). Onegu WOULD defend me HARDCORE in case he was town, i am 99% sure of that. ritoky He is just useless. So very useless and i don't understand why anyone would want to join a game they are posting a lot but only posting entirely useless things. As for my townreads: marv, Koshi, rsoultin, Eden, Damdred. I don't think the first three need alot of explanation but if someone wants me to explain just ask. - Eden is town!!! Do not lynch him! The difference in him defending me is that he actually wanted to lynch other people, mainly JAT, who is fucking mafia. From what i read he trusts his tonereads and that was the main reason for him to defend me. Well yeah, while he is wrong (there is no tonereading regarding me)that doesn't make him scum, especially when he is actively trying to figure out the game in the meantime. The latest of his posts read very genuine to me and i think his argument Damdred is accusing him of (not answering him and blabla) he is definitely right on and Damdred is not. I also really like him because he has said many things i have actually meant when other people make something dumb out of it. - Damdred's posting has gotten way better since early game when he was only talking about me. I still don't believe he genuinely has other reasons to think i am mafia than to sheep marv. I also don't think he is scum for it after thinking it over. I don't even wanna touch the LS argument between me and Damdred again because while i still do not understand where i was wrong if several people think this way i probably read something wrong and i don't wanna go LS posting from some other game again. meh idk.. Maybe just add purplehaze here. I personally do not think he is town jsut because he is not like "super good" and imo doesn't say anything good enough to townread him (i still stand behind my point he played a really good D1 in Titanic). But i am going to trust marv here. At least until his posting goes from "good enough" to "superbad", which it probably will if he is scum. I have no idea what Palmar is doing and i hate it 100%, but i also know he is dick enough to do what he does now as town. I don't like him because he is calling me mafia and i feel like he is trying to antagonize me which is what he ALWAYS does as mafia, in every single game. Anyways he is nowhere near as scummy as the three red reads. I don't really read LightningStirke's posts. I don't want to argue with/about him right now because it takes effort and PoE says he is not mafia. This game has been really hard for me because nothing happened at the start of the game. I tried to get something started and apparently it failed miserably. Then the situation evolved to the point where marv makes a case on me and noone talks about anything but me -- and even here, none of the people who voted for me and are not marv even fucking said anything (except for rsoultin so huge props for her about that) for reals. I usually work by process of elimination but in this game it has been impossible for me to do so, just because noone talks (until now). So i took a workday off from posting (while i did read how much i could), worked with the opposite of PoE, and here i am. We need to murder justanothertownie with fire because he is mafia. Please. Eden solved the game less than rayn, but you can see the same line of thought on some reads. Also important is that Eden calls rayn town and the other way around. Also, comparing these 2 posts town!rayn > town!Eden by quite a margin, which is proven here.+ Show Spoiler + On March 11 2015 05:31 Eden1892 wrote: just off the top - i'm on ~1.5hr break and would rather play ff4 than do this, but just because you started being good and soul is here (1) rsoultin is virtually confirmed-town here to me. I know I know, I got her wrong for most of Horn of Africa (including when I died, so being right early doesn't really count), but I got her completely right in Titanic, and I feel very confident reading her. This is finally the game where we're town together and it's pretty exciting =)))))))))))))))))))))))) (2) You're town. At first I felt you were insufficiently paranoid about me compared to your play in Student VI, but it occurred to me that several other people (somehow) townread me early too, so that probably didn't mean much. And you had a question about ray earlier that I'll go back and quote now (I didn't at the time because lol mobile and big post) that I really liked: I liked it because... (3) I think ray is also town. Granted, I haven't seen his mafia play, and I know his propensity to get into heated arguments is probably more of his personality than anything alignment-indicative... but I read his posts and it is really clear to me that he is quite sincere in his belief you're lying and mafia. I don't even have to think his reasons for believing this are good - I don't even get what he was trying to do! - but it seemed clear to me that he was, as you put it, "keying in on something that's important to him but [is] not necessarily true or [does not] make ls mafia." (4) I think Koshi is town. I don't remember anything he's said at the moment, but I remember him trying and digging into things early on d1. I could just be sleeping on his mafia game after a lackluster Horn of Africa performance, but I know he's like me in that he has to push himself pretty hard to try as mafia (while he doesn't as town). That makes his effortless early work, despite a constrained time schedule, strongly alignment-indicative to me. (5) I think prplhz is town. Again I could be sleeping on his mafia game and/or misremembering things here, but despite not really paying any attention to Titanic I remember thinking he was vaguely suspicious, and (iirc) he was mafia there. Here I see him very blatantly trying to be productive, which I don't remember from Titanic. I like his questioning me about my vote on JAT for example, even though I have no intention of playing ball about it right now ![]() (6) I think ritoky could be mafia. The pickle thing was funny for a bit, but he's talked before (I want to say in Titanic?) about how when he's mafia he has trouble finding his groove with humor, either not being able to be funny at all and taking things too seriously or going overboard with being jokey to compensate for that issue. It seems like he's going overboard here cause, sorry bud, it's not funny anymore. Coupled with him not trying to figure out the game at all (and my understanding that he does this as town, like most townies tend to do), he seems like a pretty good lynch right now. (7) I'm voting justanothertownie. (8) I think marv is probably town, the way I read marv is pretty simple: (I) Is he trying? If yes go to (II), if no mafia. (II) Did I actively think he's mafia? If yes he's probably town, because I get this wrong all the time. If no go to (III). (III) Did I actively think he's town? If yes he's probably town. If no go to (IV). (IV) Is it past day 1? If yes he's probably mafia, because when marv is mafia he's usually null and you find him by him not being clearly town. If no then you run through this chart again d2. (9) I'm unimpressed with Palmar so far but I have marv as probably town and I figure marv can figure out Palmar for me. And then there is rsoultin. We all know mafia nk most likely is done because of her reads. And very unlikely was rng or a framejob. And looking at it now rsoultin was killed for the level she solved the game, correct townreads, correct scumreads: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2015 19:57 rsoultin wrote: mrrrr too many townyish people this game big problem lol -sits on marv's head and peers down at him- you could be scum you know...kinda funny you seem to think that's an impossible thought to have. like i wouldn't be considering it if most of the player base didn't look town, but still koshi+rayn+LS definite townies hi townies ^^ (tinfoil hat could i suppose have rayn scum ccing jat scum but that's a super fucking weird play lol and if they did that i don't mind losing to it ><) prp...i like for town on filter dive. only reservation is despite his contribution to scumreading jat he stayed on rayn, but considering his reaction to rayn's LS push and his involvement in the thread otherwise, it adds up eden anger too real...like i feel he'd hard town me as either alignment unless i started looking like a shitbag and other potential mislynches are actually harder to get lynched than me, but his paroxysms of fury/frustration are not how i remember him behaving when we caught him as scum before marv...liked where his head was at. we clicked early. he did not want to lynch jat and only came around at the end...could mean a tunnel, we all do it, and i'm still inclined to say he's town. i even agree he's more likely to try to get cred out of that lynch especially considering jat goon...however. gotta love howevers xP this whole the main reason to townread him is he would have tried to get credit is weaksauce and his response to koshi read overly defensive to me. so he dropped to a light read. naughty marv ritoky...if the only reason i can possibly town you is cause jat was pushing you you're sucking wind, boyo. i think it may be normal for you to get off to a slow start though so let me make this simple: YOU ARE NOT CONFIRMED TOWN TO ME. that means you actually have to do some shit. i see no reason jat couldn't have bussed you, and a lot of folks look way more townie than you do onegu...only reason to townread him is the vt claim and that does actually appear to be a thing...again, if that's the only reason i can call you town, though, that's frankly not anywhere close to good enough palmar...prp is scum? lol i can't read your game anyway, and apparently you've lost your pulse on prp as it is, but i don't know what the hell you're doing this game damdred like...i don't think i even need to add on here. i still feel like he poe'd himself. there's a bit of awkwardness to his play this game, too, and i forget who mentioned his townreads looking naïve town, but naïve is not a word i'd associate with damdred...ever If you want Eden I will sheep you rayn, but I think Palmar fits better. 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On March 20 2015 22:46 Koshi wrote: When you put 2 oranges and an apple in a bag. Later you pull out 2 oranges. The last one in the bag is going to be an apple. Unless of course you're too stupid to recognize one of the oranges was actually an apple. | ||
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The Grand case for Palmar being town Written by: Pálmar Presented by: Pálmar Chapter 2: Descent into madness When we left off our hero (me) had successfully called mafia mafia throughout the day and helped kill the bastard. Things were looking quite good for me, so I figured it would be a perfect time to let the demons inside run free again. I obviously started by going right back to calling marv mafia. And this time I actually felt like I had a reason to believe it. On March 12 2015 07:14 Palmar wrote: well marv is 100% mafia so there's that. This here is a series of troll posts written specifically to try to investigate my theory at the time. I found marv sort of scummy and I also found prplhz sort of scummy. However I didn't believe they would defend each other like they did if they were both mafia, yet I didn't really believe one was pocketing the other. I basically convinced myself that they must be masons. On March 12 2015 08:19 Palmar wrote: I can see beyond On March 12 2015 08:29 Palmar wrote: marv why do you hide this information from me? I know you have another lover. Koshi knows. On March 12 2015 08:30 Palmar wrote: but can something so obvious be true? Or is that only what they want us to believe... ![]() I will not announce my protection tonight. I don't like using protection anyway. On March 12 2015 18:38 Palmar wrote: marv, where is your lover? On March 12 2015 18:53 Palmar wrote: No you would not. Marv why are you so obvious about it? And then when that didn't work (I was kinda hoping marv would mindmeld and say something that would make me believe they were masons without actually saying it), I wrote this one: On March 12 2015 18:55 Palmar wrote: I have two very particular reasons to think you may be mafia. One of them is significantly better than the other, but there could also be a very logical explanation to that one. So, do you think I'm right? Those two reasons were: 1) marv defending prplhz. The logical explanation to that one is 2) marv's post right here: On March 12 2015 09:50 marvellosity wrote: but if anyone wants to call me mafia, they seriously have to rationalise how: I have jat in bottom 3 in both my lists but I never push his lynch but I basically don't do anything for the 24h or however long he's clearly leading the vote so I claim literally the least credit that is humanly possible for the totally inevitable lynch of my scumbuddy. because to make this argument you have to call me a moron. So good luck. As I later explained. I did not believe this was entirely an honest assessment of how marv would react. I in fact would think he would feel obliged to call JAT mafia (me and koshi were already on his ass, with rayn close behind), and I also feel like he wouldn't bus the fuck out of JAT, instead giving jat time to defend himself (hence, not push JAT). I still don't think marv is being completely honest here, as while maybe different, his approach wouldn't be as different as he wants to believe. But that's up for discussion. I later just straight up asked them: On March 12 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote: basically tinfoil hat palmar thinks you guys are masons. And at the time I was confused by marv's secret message. I literally could not remember marv ever using some kind of obfusciating tactic like that, so it bugged the hell out of it. I thought the message was some sort of a breadcrumb for a role claim, which only added to my suspicion that either something was wrong, or marv and prplhz were masons. Even add to the pile, marv talked about shooting me that night, and the stuff that I felt like was just weird from marv piled on. He knows how I respond to being on the lynch block as town (as evidenced here this game). It's a terrible idea to shoot me night 1. But apparently marv decided to be a bit of a dick to me this game. At this poitn in the game though I don't think I actually thought marv was mafia. I felt like something was up, but I didn't know what it was (and I still don't know what it is). Marv was still very posty and felt interactive enough. I basically had him at this point with a giant "I don't know" sign on his head. Just to add to it, during this night my reads are sort of all over the place. I scumread literally all of the following people: rayn (for being sort of absent and not invested), ritoky (for overplaying the troll thing) and Eden (I don't even remember why). I also made a pretty solid post about koshi when rsoultin threatened to call him mafia: On March 12 2015 21:04 Palmar wrote: koshi is not being unreasonable, he is being disagreeable. mafia tend to be unreasonable and agreeable Koshi fits neither. He knows. This was a fantastic post in hindsight I think. I also want to point this out, just so it's in people's heads. As day broke, I had a new plan in mind. Or well, a plan is an overstatement. I did whatever the fuck I felt like at the time and I figured that there was no downside. I could shield the real vig if there was a vig, and if it was mafia.... well I just wanted to piss them off. On March 13 2015 07:02 Palmar wrote: I shot rsoultin It wasn't a great plan. I don't think I had ever tried to call rsoultin mafia so anyone who actually paid attention should have called me out on it right away. It did however lead to an interesting development. On March 13 2015 07:09 Eden1892 wrote: something seriously isn't right here. if mafia has rb then maybe they don't shoot ray, but they rb him, which means unless mafia and vig both shot rso then there's a vet? but then we have vig, vet, doc. i don't believe that for an instant if palmar lied and there isn't a vig then we just have to have a doc who was rb'd, which... is sorta ok? but then why was rso shot If Eden turns out to be the final mafia. I actually caught him with this stunt, I just never realized it. I did vote him at the time for immediately realizing I was lying through my teeth. On March 13 2015 07:39 Palmar wrote: Like you will be lynched in lylo marv. Until then I'm assuming you're town and we can work together. I explained to marv he was never my real target. I was just investigating/trolling him during the night. I think this post best summarizes my thoughts after the night and a little bit into the day: On March 13 2015 07:53 Palmar wrote: Btw, reason for PoE we only have 2 claimed blues. So I'm just assuming rayn is actually the medic or vet or whatever else he could be. marv is town, koshi is town I'm counting on the marv prplhz soul read to make prplhz town. Same with koshi and damdred. LS is basically confirmed. So, that leaves eden, ritoky and onegu. Eden, who I at that point really thought was mafia, kept arguing with me why I would let the prplhz read from marv affect me, but I kinda think I did the right thing right there. On March 13 2015 08:02 Palmar wrote: If I think marv is town and he is absolutely sure someone else is town that is good enough for me. This is the point in the thread LS softs a blue, then hard claims having softed a blue and proceeds to leave the thread. Just to give myself town points I was absolutely fucking loving this part of the game. On March 13 2015 08:10 Palmar wrote: You might as well do it now, there is only one possible role that you can claim that gives this information and that is jailkeeper. On March 13 2015 08:12 Palmar wrote: god I need to sleep but I really want this to go on. pls don't leave without actually making your claim LS So with LS gone without having claimed Koshi (I think) asked me if I was really the vig and I answer quite honestly. On March 13 2015 08:19 Palmar wrote: no, I just wanted to piss the mafia off by claiming their nk. With this, I went to sleep. I had no clear goal in mind and felt the game was in a bit of a swing. My reads were still all over the place. Note, I sort of love reading my filter how I constantly swing and change my mind on marv. I'm doing it at a massively high rate. So when I woke up this was almost the truth for me: On March 13 2015 18:29 Palmar wrote: I am okay with whatever you guys do as long as it's not lynching me. I'm basically up for lynching anyone else. So Koshi wanted me to kill ritoky so I agreed with killing ritoky. Just to emphasize how all over the place I was, here's a list I sort of threw out there. I would like to note that this is my list of "If I ignore everything people are saying and what they have done, how much do I want to kill them". It wasn't really a "how likely is this player to flip mafia" list. The two are obviously related but rayn, for example, is too low compared to the chances I'd have given him at the time to flip mafia (although he wouldn't be high). On March 13 2015 23:50 Palmar wrote: By the way, because I'm all in contemplative serious mode right now. Despite all my votes all around, this is my list from towniest to mafia. LS Koshi marv Eden ritoky Damdred onegu prplhz rayn I did sort of mention this: On March 13 2015 23:55 Palmar wrote: Like I know my list is horrible and wrong because I know I shouldn't think this way. At this point in the game marv makes his case on ritoky and I'm sort of resigned to it. I still don't really think marv is mafia, or well, I'm fencesitting like a boss on the issue, and I feel it's ok to sheep him on it. I also took the time to explain why I was so adamant that I would at some point lynch rayn and wrote that explanation of the betrayal post that I have referenced several times. On March 14 2015 00:50 Palmar wrote: yeah screw it marv is town. more flip-flopping on marv ![]() On March 14 2015 02:55 Palmar wrote: Koshi is 100% town for demanding this claim out of rayn. He was already but this is such a townie mindset. This is one of the main reasons I actually do believe Koshi's cop claim. Aside from setup balance, he really, really did sound like a townie there. Rayn actually did rescind his claim and I was still very much on the edge regarding him. I actually decided in the hours leading up to the lynch that I was going to let go of all my nagging suspicions (that would rise again to bite me in the ass later) and trust the simple solution. The next post is probably the most sincere post I've written all game. It describes my thoughts at the time very, very accurately with no hidden agenda in it. On March 15 2015 04:39 Palmar wrote: Like there is something off about this game. Thankfully we lynched JAT yesterday so we have bought some time to figure it out (mislynching 2 in a row now wouldn't be the end of the world). I don't know what it is, and I'm sort of fine with it. There exists a very simple solution to the game on the surface. We assume marv is town and trust his read on prplhz. We assume koshi has to be town. We assume Eden is town for his attitude, and we assume Damdred is town because of the self-vote/pussy tactics. LS has to be town too. Then we lynch into ritoky, onegu and rayn who all could be mafia. Onegu on activity, marv's points regarding ritoky actually made sense, and rayn based on apathy/negative attitude/betrayal. Then we ride into the sunset. I just don't think, that in this case, the game is that easy. But I'm willing to give the simple solution a shot. I didn't have more to say that day. I sheeped marv's case on ritoky, I stated where I was at and how I believed it was best to continue with the game. The following night was over a weekend and I didn't really do much. My marv radar spiked again when marv admitted he didn't know what was up and said he would agree to sheep people into lynching me. With marv wanting me shot n1 and then saying he'd lynch me n2, I decided "fuck it" and last minute called him mafia in the off chance I'd get shot. The point being (as I later explained) that I was not at all worried that town marv couldn't shed a bit of suspicion if wrongly placed, while I was sincerely worried scum marv would never be lynched if he was mafia. On March 16 2015 07:00 Palmar wrote: it's marv + someone And thus ends the second part of the grandest case. Stay tuned for the third part: The Doomsday Device | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote: I'd be lying if i said i wasn't enjoying it Enough leverage for me to say "I'll only deliver part 3 if I'm alive after tonight"? | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:39 marvellosity wrote: no. you have to understand, my actual problem is not anything to do with you or anything, it's that I can't help feeling I'm going to lose to a scum-rayn in the end. But in that case, do you really want eden by your side rather than me? | ||
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As I was pooping yesterday, I was thinking about this game, and I noticed how Eden had been accused of trying to introduce more candidates to the mix, obviously in order to provide him with an extra mislynch (or so the accusation goes). And I caught myself thinking "It's probably best I make it look like I sincerely believe Eden is the mafia, even if I'm absolutely not convinced he is, just so I don't get lynched". Then I realized "fuck, I'm thinking like mafia". ![]() | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:42 Koshi wrote: Palmar just told me that prplhz, koshi or marv is mafia. He can die. Did I? I've been inclined to believe your cop claim. | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:46 marvellosity wrote: I understand you completely Palmar. Actually there's several things I've done this game to save myself in a really scummy way (that aren't really that obvious). Do you know one of the main reasons I wagoned Eden is because I felt if the thread went stale the thread would somehow just decide they should lynch me after all? Ridiculous actually. That's actually kinda clever, I'm doing this right now ![]() | ||
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If rayn is the mafia, you absolutely are. Your main reason for townreading him is that he made cases on mafia. | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:53 Koshi wrote: ......................................................................................................................................................... I have no words for this stupidity. That's why I hope you are town and lynched. You are such a massive dick Koshi. | ||
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Why can't more people be like me and at least try to entertain while under the pressure of being lynched? Do you even know how easy it would be for me just rage out because people don't townread me right now? | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:10 Koshi wrote: This. I just want to lynch the townie out of Palmar / Eden and then call it a draw. Why? That makes absolutely no sense Koshi. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:11 Eden1892 wrote: god i really wish koshi didn't basically have a confirmed-town pass Let's pinky swear to lynch koshi together next time we get the chance in a game. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:12 Eden1892 wrote: nah, cuz we have the "chance" right now and i don't feel like gamethrowing but we gonna talk postgame. chill koshi No I mean next game. I don't think lynching him right now is viable. I just want to randomly day 1 lynch him for being a bit of a dick. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:16 Koshi wrote: You say Never lynch Palmar. Lynch rayn. if rayn is town lynch prplhz. If eden happens to be town, this is actually a brilliant observation. | ||
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marv is hedging like his life depends on it, Eden basically has me confirmed, prplhz seems unconvinced at best. I guess rayn still thinks I'm mafia, but he's been awfully quiet today. Still, there is nothing that allows you to take this high ground and yell from it. You have no basis for not even considering the alternatives. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:19 Eden1892 wrote: ? explain cuz i am and it'd be awesome to be brilliant You figured out I'm town, to the point that you're so sure of your read you're willing to entertain tinfoil hat theories over lynching me. That's a massively strong townread when there is lots of lynch inertia towards me in the game. It's basically a very hard read to make, so hard that it's one of the things that's making me struggle to figure you out. I'm not sure I think you're good enough to do that without perfect information ![]() | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:25 marvellosity wrote: do you see the SIZE of that hedge? it's a pretty impressive hedge. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:28 Koshi wrote: Palmar is 99% mafia and everything points towards it. But people are just too terrible. So we join terribleness and lynch Eden. Nothing I have said points towards it. I just want to keep reminding you of that for the endgame. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:49 marvellosity wrote: I want part 3 I'll try tonight. Not gonna have time before I go home today | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it is not, not this time. I can't possibly have played better in this game except for lynching mafia on D2. So who is it, me or Eden? | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is really frustrating because every single point against me is something i can't possibly explain. I am not mafia, i don't know why i was not shot on N1. It is really BS to say ask me "why are you alive" when i can't psosibly have any explanation for it. ♥ | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:13 Koshi wrote: rayn sorry. You are mafia because you lynched mafia with certainty. -Palmar 2015 -Marv 2015 Well you think I'm mafia so you can hardly antagonize me for it! | ||
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In short I generally want to lynch whoever of them isn't in the thread at the time I'm thinking about it. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I guess i need to start doing nothing so people don't think i am scum. quite the contrary. I understand your frustration, but in essence there is no difference between the effort levels you and I have put into the game, you've just been right a bit more. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: That is not right Palmar. That is just not fucking right. Why is it not right? | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:21 Koshi wrote: No not w.e if rayn is town here. You did fuck all. If we followed your lead we would have lynched town rayn on D1 who gave us these 2 lynches. And you can't take any fucking credit on the Onegu lynch. You didn't even put 1 reason in the thread why Onegu was mafia in that 65 page filter of yours. Or maybe one. rofl. And now you want to lynch that person over the most obvious mafia Palmar, or mafia Eden who played well but actually hasn"t made much sense in 85% of his posts. But I don't know if he is mafia for it. But clearly you don't know either. And between all that you live in a world in which you think you are actually more valuable this game than let's say Koshi or rayn. What a joke you are. Time to retire. or go on a long break. If marv prevents you from throwing the game by lynching me he is totally more valuable than you. | ||
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It's also by far not my most successful one. | ||
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Also I like how both the other guys think I'm real town now. That's good! | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:56 Koshi wrote: Nha I made this game easy. Scumlynch d1. Harddefended Damdred. Defended town hero rayn. Let baddies lynch redcheck d2. Which always wouls have happened. Defended scum Onegu d3. Pushed town prplhz. Oops. Shrug. gave town 2 greenchecks d4 even due to masterful veteran fakeclaim on d2 while being doc target n1 due to lynch on mafia + "known" doc. Other people in this game though...... so you had a good day 1 reasonable/auto day 2 terrible day 3 terrible day 4 Okay, I can get on board with that! | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:01 Koshi wrote: Palmar wake me up when you stop pushing the idea in the thread you are town. "Bad d4" hahaha funny man. Can we have some sort of a fun postgame activity based on you being wrong today? Like "Koshi streams himself eating his pants"? | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:22 marvellosity wrote: that I could see you and Onegu together. *shrug* i know you can point me to all the town shit, so can all of you :x At least I've compiled mine into an intriguing and thought provoking story | ||
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The case of much grandiose. Palmar is town Written by: Pálmar Presented by Pálmar Chapter 3: The Doomsday Device As day 3 started I knew I had to do something. The night had been a pretty slow one for me being on a weekend and people seemed very much okay with the idea of lynching me. I know the feeling all too well. I went with a two-pronged approach, because in addition to avoiding a lynch, I really wanted to lynch mafia this day. I started off pointing out why I am town and questioning people about their scumreads on me. On March 16 2015 07:13 Palmar wrote: Since like... forever. While somewhat outdated because I'm aware of it, one of my massive towntells is that I get confused, hedge my bets and in general am very uncertain and tentative when I'm town, the exception is when I set my mind to something "I'm going to get this lynch." As mafia I used to overplay my hand in terms of confidence quite a bit. At this point rayn kind of randomly called me not mafia, which I liked. I got into a huge discussion with marv, who was apparently frustrated that I wasn't townreading him. On March 16 2015 07:20 Palmar wrote: Well, think about it. If I somehow got shot, however unlikely, I wanted people to take a hard look at you. If I survive, I get to stay in the game to actually make an informed decision. It's completely logical to do exactly what I did. Why not? That is how it almost always goes between us. In fact just yesterday you said I was townie for the way I treated you. I am allowed to call you mafia, and this treatment you're giving me makes you more likely to be one. I am allowed to do exactly what I'm doing because it's exactly what I do when I'm town. You know this marv. How are you going to react? I don't think I wanna. I know I have a massive sweet spot for people who are reasonable when it comes to my alignment (think Damdred in Imperial), but I still can't make myself double think the fact that he has correctly determined my alignment. And I tried just straight up explaining to him why I was having my doubts about him. On March 16 2015 07:34 Palmar wrote: Because of that blink song. There are multiple small weird things about you. I'll name the ones I have off the top of my head. 1) The rsoultin kill incriminates you (I know this is bad and terrible but stay with me). If we think about the possible kills during that night the only other viable one would be rayn. Koshi is probably getting medic protected, I am trolling and being shit, Eden was shit day 1 etc etc. You are the sensible night 1 kill. If I am mafia I shoot you every time there. 2) You said that you would not have lead the JAT wagon lead for so long without doing something about it or jumping on it to gain credit. Maybe my assumptions are off, but I really disagreed with you on that. I just didn't have the energy to argue with you at the time and I was not sure (I'm still not). I would expect you to do EXACTLY this, basically don't rock the boat too much and see if JAT could turn it around, then hop on if he was dying anyway. 3) You have not been assertive or made any hard reads this game except on two people, one of them is ritoky which was quite wrong, and the other is prplhz. Hard reading koshi and LS town doesn't really count because well, it's easy as fuck, hell the LS read was MY read. 4) talking about the hard reads, you were wrong on ritoky. I know you are occasionally wrong but you seem rather unfazed by it. I also have a hard time believing you'd be wrong on ritoky, then turn around and be wrong on me next, after not having lead town on day 1. This would be your third "shit" day in a row. 5) You did explain your prplhz read, I never double checked it. However I did notice that the substantial parts of the read that I actually believe, all came long after you had started townreading him. That being said, the parts I didn't really care about, the metrics, did in fact happen before you made your read for the most part so meh. Still... so many small things. Like Blink182 ![]() Which caused marv to go into a strange emotional defense mode that again made me waffle. On March 16 2015 08:11 Palmar wrote: I almost want to give marv the benefit of the doubt he wouldn't appeal this hard to emotion as scum. For some reason I can't really remember there was a wagon on rayn at this point, and for some reason I also can't remember I was opposed to it. On March 16 2015 09:21 Palmar wrote: I am not convinced rayn is mafia. But there is plenty of time to find out. Right before I went to sleep Onegu called me mafia and I responded to him: On March 16 2015 09:22 Palmar wrote: Why would you lynch me Onegu? On March 16 2015 09:22 Palmar wrote: Quick response please When I woke up in the morning I wasn't satisfied with his reasoning which was mostly just PoE so I voted him and carried on. On March 16 2015 18:45 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote Onegu For wanting to lynch me without having a reason to do so. I then started diving filters while simultaneously keeping a conversation with marv and to some extent prplhz and koshi. In general just talking in the thread. Right at the start of prplhz's filter he defended JAT so I decided to put my vote on him while reading more On March 16 2015 19:37 Palmar wrote: Apparently I was overstating marv's townread on prplhz, so much that he felt like he needed to correct me in saying prplhz is guaranteed town. This caused me to start reading prplhz's filter which I'm not nearly done with but I saw these posts: It's not the fact he was wrong, it just feels out of place to defend someone this super early in the game. I think I also was one of the first to mention On March 16 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote: CENSORED We got into some stupid argument about the validity of prplhz's meta point, but the general feeling I got from both marv and koshi was that they didn't particularly want to pitch ideas back and forth and discuss them, something I believed I sorely needed at that time. On March 16 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote: Tell me why Onegu is mafia? On my "not lynch list" at the moment (this is a very fluid list) Palmar Koshi prplhz FF That leaves Eden rayn Marv Onegu This was at the time my state of the game, prplhz pulled himself out of the gutter because I genuinely believed he got mad at me for suggesting he was mafia. This list would (if I recall) change often and rapidly. more waffling on marv On March 16 2015 21:45 Palmar wrote: I still can't shake this weird feeling that marv is sort of fine with this game being a bit of a train wreck. Like I can't quite explain it and I'm not going to call him mafia for it, but it's just this weird feeling I have. Marv and I would go back to arguing for a long time like we do. The perceived stonewalling from the beginning of the phase added one more thing I wanted to kill him for. Remember my "state of the game" post from chapter 2? Where I strive to be okay with the simple solution. Well on day 3 I wasn't okay with it. Of course in hindsight it was terrible to abandon my instincts because they didn't demand a big enough play, but it was truly how I felt. On March 17 2015 01:31 Palmar wrote: Like just to make you feel uncomfortable about it, I really want to kill onegu too. The problem here is that I feel like that would be conceding to the "simple" solution, which I guess isn't a bad thing. It just feels wrong to do it. And even then, who is his partner? FF? Eden? Also it's worth noting that around this time Koshi started trying to call me mafia for being all over the place, while I think for the most part I had at least flimsy reasons for being all over the place. He completely ignored that I really didn't have to be doing what I was doing. This describes pretty much how I felt that day: On March 17 2015 07:01 Palmar wrote: Also, I don't want to kill onegu unless I'm sure, because I know if I don't hit mafia today, I'm 100% fucked because of massive lynch inertia. I, more than anyone else, need a mafia lynch today. Also here is my (quite clever) point about why onegu's soul read was inherently scummy: On March 17 2015 07:10 Palmar wrote: I don't really know Onegu that well. Generally he seems sort of too trolly to be mafia. On the other hand, the fact that he: 1. promised read on rayn 2. delivered read on rayn is actually really scummy, because he framed his play and then played exactly to fit that frame. Like it's not an organic read at all, it's manufactured. As the day went on Koshi and marv became more responsive and I was no longer a primary lynch candidate, which was a nice change. Just before I slept I summarized my thoughts and stuck my vote on Onegu. On March 17 2015 07:48 Palmar wrote: I need to do things and then sleep. I feel like today I've established that I don't want to lynch me/koshi/ff, marv is a wildcard, I want to lynch onegu and prplhz I'm somewhere in the middle, leaning towards not lynching. tomorrow I will read rayn and eden and come to some kind of a conclusion. I'll probably refresh before sleeping so I can answer whatever you might ask. On March 17 2015 07:52 Palmar wrote: oh and ##unvote ##vote Onegu I want to point out that the thread all but stopped while I slept, causing my first post after I woke up to be a sarcastic remark about that. On March 17 2015 17:33 Palmar wrote: Good talk while I slept guys And here is my gamestate, once again. On March 17 2015 18:39 Palmar wrote: To follow up on this, I went to sleep last night feeling fairly confident rayn is town. I am going to summarize what I'm talking about here later today (I've got two meetings etc coming up, so I can't right now). So until further notice, rayn is off the lynch table, and my table looks like this: Do not lynch: Koshi FF rayn Maaybe lynch (but probably not) prplhz Wildcard bitches! marv Lynch: Onegu I need to read Eden, he's the one I have done little to none work on. @Eden I didn't notice you answering my question regarding your comment about marv/jat interaction from back on day 1. At this point I ramped up arguing with marv. You see, the perceived slights from yesterday had festered as I slept and now I was mad at him so I really, really dug into him. On March 17 2015 23:27 Palmar wrote: Like the way he treats himself in comparison to JAT feels very much not mafia because it's not really a bus, more of a self-defense, when with perfect information he would probably be tempted to actually bus here. I did give eden a townread here for this one post. Notice that for the most part Eden has been the player in the game that I have ignored, which often means mafia, but this post was actually quite good. I don't think I ever really explained it, but exactly why koshi thinks rayn is town this day is something I had discovered back on day 3, which caused me to put rayn in my not lynch lists throughout most of that day after voting him near the beginning of the phase. As the phase closed in on us Marv slowly became more open to lynching prplhz which caused me to scale back my townread on him. Koshi was actively calling for his lynch but I wasn't quite convinced yet. And I just really wanted to lynch marv. On March 18 2015 06:12 Palmar wrote: This one? Like I keep trying to reconcile your thing you did when I was trying to get discussion going with you with you being town. It doesn't fit. If you think I'm town, you know that I can be a half-decent scumhunter when I put my mind to it and you know I can help you. In addition you don't seem very confident in your read of the state of the game so in theory you do need help. So even if I'm a flawed town player, I'm not terrible. There is literally no reason for you as town to instead of repeatedly going "I can't take anything you say seriously" to just extend a hand and see what is out there. On the other hand, if you think I'm mafia, there is obviously no point in talking to me, but why didn't you say so then? That would've been much easier. Eden thing: On March 18 2015 06:41 Palmar wrote: Why is Eden checking out of this shitshow! I thought this would be right up his alley ![]() Of all the townies, my townread on Eden was the weakest one and I just had this eeire feeling that he was never around when it kinda mattered. ... And then. On March 18 2015 06:44 marvellosity wrote: Palmar is town. Eden is mafia. Suddenly everything turned upside down. Marv finally gave me that townread I really wanted from him. I moved my vote to eden when the train on him started and I was completely serious about it at the time. I agreed he came awkwardly into the thread, marv gave me a townread and we had a good thing going. Also, the hedging was real On March 18 2015 06:56 Palmar wrote: This has like a 1% chance of actually working. But at least it's quality TV. But the Eden thing disintegrated and at the last minute I switched back to marv. On March 18 2015 06:59 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote marv Notice the timing. I didn't even have the slightest illusion that marv was actually going to get lynched. If I'm mafia here with Onegu I just park my vote on him because well... I'd been calling him mafia all day so why not? I still decided we needed to lynch marv tomorrow so I said so before sleeping. On March 18 2015 07:06 Palmar wrote: we're having ourselves marv-pie tomorrow. I trolled around a bit in the night and also got a bit mad that Eden made an entire case on me based on something all the mafia said. On March 18 2015 17:40 Palmar wrote: You say that as you make a case on me who is confirmed town. And something remarkable happened during the night. I actually WAFFLED on marv, would you believe that? On March 19 2015 00:59 Palmar wrote: I'm so sad that marv loves rayn more than me that now I'm like questioning the marv-pie because this is the most genuine he's been all game trying to figure shit out. also I'm a bit sad that I literally said onegu was mafia but voted with my heart instead of with my brain. I tried to take the day off, but I really didn't do that much. It seemed during the night that prplhz was going to end up the lynch. Shoutout to rayn for 29 pages into the game, 15-ish of which I had produced in the last 72 hours was still calling me lazy. Over the night Eden again managed to win my trust. On March 19 2015 05:41 Palmar wrote: Like I feel like I'm going to get somewhat vindicated unless Eden (or rayn, I guess, but I'm sorta ignoring that option) is mafia. If it's Eden I've been pushing townies left and right and now I'm talking myself into townreading scum again. If it's rayn Koshi and Eden are somewhat vindicated (and marv from day 1 I suppose). If it's FF we lose and everyone is shit. If it's Koshi we lose and everyone is shit. If it's marv I'm super vindicated and town hero if it's prplhz at least my primary reason for starting to suspect marv was legit as fuck. Then day broke... Stay tuned for chapter 4: Redemption (working title, we're also thinking of armageddon, depending on a few factors). | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:46 Eden1892 wrote: ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: prplhz I love it. Please flip mafia bro. Please. I don't know if I can do this anymore. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: i really thought he was mafia ![]() I kind of didn't. I just wanted to not be lynched. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: hi palmar! I am not mafia. Don't you even fucking dare. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:05 marvellosity wrote: Can we agree to 24h day? No. | ||
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"Imperative! Imperative! This is the Kobayashi Maru -- nineteen periods out of Altair Six. We have struck a gravitic mine and have lost all power... Our hull is damaged, we've taken substantial structural damage and many casualties." I'm on it! | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:02 marvellosity wrote: what is there to solve from your perspective, dear? tinfoil vs rayn? Also I wasn't saying I should solve it, I was suggesting you guys did. | ||
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But I think I'm going to end up going with rayn. | ||
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Although weekend so maybe not that much. I am not mafia. | ||
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I don't believe I have the luxury of looking into tinfoil hat theories. It is unlikely, but of course possible, that there's mafia in marvellosity or prplhz, but for the sake of this game I am going to ignore that possibility. I understand this might be throwing the game, but I simply think convincing the thread of that is actually an insurmountable task. Hell, even deciding which tinfoil hat theory I'd go with would be extremely difficult. I've been on and off about both of them all game. I don't have the time or the resources to chase an alternative lynch, and I don't think it's possible. So for the sake of today, I will simply be assuming rayn is mafia. I probably won't be building this case from a position of any strength because I already know what it will conclude, which is usually a terrible starting point. The best I can do really is to attempt to see if there is any inconsistencies or problems I may have missed in rayn's filter and try to convince you guys using that. I don't believe whatever I will come up with will be the best reason to lynch rayn over me. I am almost certain that the best reason is and always will be my own filter. There are so many things in there that simply are far outside my ability as mafia. Read and understand my town case please. | ||
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On March 21 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote: Because these reads are closer to the reads over rayn in time. The ones I used had 24h between them. But still.... These reads should have been enough to knock out both Eden and rayn on their dumb tunnel yesterday. But I cannot blame rayn like I said, because he was right the entire game and it is hard to get out a tunnel then. It isn't hard being "right the entire game" when you already have all the information you need. Being wrong is not a scumtell. On March 21 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote: rayn is town guys. He is town for how he played the game. He simply is not mafia. I will say it once, he could be mafia. BUT I also could be mafia. Like... prplhz could be another godfather. Yes, in rayn his case it is a bit more plausible. But he is NOT MAFIA. rayn was not killed N1 because both marv and Palmar tested the waters on his claim and mafia didn't want to gamble and thought it was a possibility that rayn was not a medic and would get protection. Blue claims like that solve itself after a night and why shoot rayn and risk a extra ml for town. If rayn is Veteran he also would have cc. Fine, the nk stuff is speculation and I could counter-speculate. On March 21 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote: rsoultin kill was because of her reads. Come on guys.... We are veterans. Why are we on D4 not lynching the guy who gets incriminated heavily by the nk on N1? Not only because he is a scumread, but because all others are townreads... I don't understand. Eden and rayn read each other town during D1, rsoultin reads them town. It are all good reads. If you read the reasoning it is legit. If you read the filters you see it is all legit. Just kill Palmar. I can't understand that when everything breaths Palmar is mafia, we entertain the idea rayn or Eden are scum... I just can't understand. I don't think rsoultin was scumreading me? I think she openly admitted to having no clue about me. Also I while this is all wifom, I want to point out that I have, in the past, shown myself willing to shoot town-marv over just about anything. I do not tempt fate with him in the game. I'll try to find the QT: Palmar 12-02-2014 08:29 AM ET (US) Marv is the greater threat. When shenanigans go down he will figure out what is correct. Marv is essentially confirmed anyway, he is not a viable mislynch as he WILL NOT get mislynched over either of us. You correctly identified that we're in trouble if we run out of mislynches, but the difference is I basically consider marv not a possible mislynch. That is why I want to kill him and HF. To me, they are two guaranteed not mislynches, or at least close to guaranteed. Sn0, Obi, Superbia, Sent are all possible mislynches. While somewhat specific, this is still essentially how I treat marv as town when I'm mafia. I will shoot him, I always will shoot him, because he is never going to get mislynched (this has happened how often?) and he is highly likely to figure out the game. It is strictly bad play to not shoot marv. Night 1 this game was a prime opportunity for some sweet marv-whacking. On March 21 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote: About Palmar... He is mafia for many reasons inside his filter as well. Do not read what is in his towncase, read what is not in it. I am sure that if Eden and rayn would have read their own filters from D1 yesterday that they would not have lynched each other. Simply because there are convictions in there and reads in there that are good, that would help them. Palmar does not have that. He has a smart comment on his mafia buddies sometimes and is more than happy enough to put them into the towncase, but that is it. He has nothing that clears rayn or Eden. Or him in conjunction with them. Well yeah, the point of a towncase is to point out how my posts and interactions with other players, often the mafia, reduces the chance that I am mafia myself. I'm not sure what the last two sentences mean though. On March 21 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote: Palmar his towncase is about his mafia buddies and how he says smart things about them and waffling about marv. But what is MISSING? It is missing a direction towards the mafia who is left. It has nothing in it. Because there is nothing. Palmar has not tried to find the remaining mafia since Onegu got lynched. At the start of D4 he said it could be rayn, but he never gave reasons, and there are no reasons somewhere in his filter. He never gave reasoning (except low sex rating) and he moved away from rayn mafia and reasoning into his towncase on himself... Just because marv and Eden were going to do his work for him. Palmar also has nothing in his filter that would have helped him yesterday find mafia between rayn and Eden. I am sure again, that if Eden would have read their own filter he wouldn't have gone to fairyland yesterday and started rambling about framers and shit. He would not have. This is a gigantic misunderstanding (and frankly bad play) from koshi. First of all I set the rules of engagement quite clearly. On March 19 2015 07:47 Palmar wrote: To be sure, regarding the rules of engagement for today. I am probably going to spend very little time figuring out which one of rayn and eden is mafia. There are three confirmed townies who do NOT have to worry all day about defending themselves that should have plenty of time to do that. I will be focusing mostly on simply defending myself. This is more philosophical, but I want to point it out so I can use it in future games and the postgame. The situation we were in had 5 townies and 1 mafia alive. Each townie yesterday had 48 hours to play the game. The way koshi wanted to approach the problem was as follows: marv does nothing rayn does nothing koshi does nothing prplhz does nothing palmar convinces town to lynch eden eden convinces town to lynch palmar. This is of course a colossal waste of time. Just not getting lynched took all my time and effort yesterday. It is literally impossible for me to do everything. If Koshi was right (he wasn't) and one of Eden and I are the mafia, he's literally expecting 20% of town to do 100% of the work. Isn't it a much better to delegate responsibilities? Marv, koshi and prplhz don't have to be worried about being lynched. They have all the time in the world to break down the game. On the other hand the suspects should, in my opinion, focus their efforts on defending themselves. this way, we spread the workload among the entire town, resulting in a net increase of work done to solve the game. It's simple math... Anwyay Even if you don't agree with me philosophically how this situation should be resolved, I have set the precedent numerous times that this is exactly how I will respond when put under pressure. I have trouble scumhunting when I'm being lynched (except when I see scum try to lynch me for unreasonable stuff). I always focus on survival because I believe in living to fight another day. I regret lynching Eden. And of course the fact I said I was waffling on him after his summary post can at current be interpreted as wifom, but it was really the truth. From my point of view, however, there is no chance in success if I die, there is a chance if Eden does. On March 19 2015 07:47 Palmar wrote: Eden had so many townie things in his filter, clearing him from shooting rsoultin. Because the townread on each other and the happy faces etc etc. He wouldn't have done it. Oh well. His mistake. rayn wouldn't have shot rsoultin. It is not because rayn was not killed it means rayn killed rsoultin. There was no reason for rayn to kill rsoultin. I was scumreading rsoultin, rsoultin was scumreading the wrong people if rayn is mafia, it doesn't make sense for scumrayn to kill rsoultin and then put pressure on Onegu D2. This all doesn't make sense. Saving Onegu would be the only thing why rayn killed rsoultin. PALMAR on the other hand... I have explained this enough.... He could have thought that rayn was not medic. He tried to get a blueclaim out of it. Let's entertain the idea Palmar thought x was the medic or had a chance to, he doesn't kill rayn, Palmar claims vigi, and x might reveal he is the medic. I am not saying that was the plan to go, but it wouldn't have hurt mafia!Palmar. And he weaseled his way out of his vigi claim. The blueclaim thing I can sort of get. I didn't think about it at the time that it's probably a pretty great play for mafia too. ![]() | ||
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the LS townread at the start of the game. JAT's lack of casual interaction (I guess I didn't really make this one all too much, but it's the reason I thought he was mafia) Calling Eden town for how he treated JAT (if it's between me and JAT lynch him thingee, I can dig up the passage). Onegu soul read I'm not saying I have been super awesome useful but I have been around, made good points, bad points. Hell, the fact I backed off you day 3 when you got mad at me was a super townie thing to do. I can't remember exactly but I feel like I was actually made to answer why I did that a few times (and I always stuck with that I had believed you genuinely got angry at me). Also glass houses. | ||
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On March 23 2015 21:13 prplhz wrote: i'm not calling you useless or bad or even worse than me, i'm just saying that you weren't on game at all. and that's sort of odd because i think usually you're a lot better than what you've managed this game. it's not damning but it's worth considering. everybody townread LS i don't know about the jat and eden points, i scumread jat for something else and townread eden for something else. I want to maintain everybody townread LS because of the point I made and marv agreed with. | ||
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On March 23 2015 21:18 prplhz wrote: but i don't like this "who would i be most comfortable being wrong about" thing, i remember sandro used that argument in that one game where i was right and then we lost. is this directed at me or marv? | ||
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On March 23 2015 21:30 marvellosity wrote: no, it isn't, it's quite characteristic just usually one or the other of us dies before it can rumble on for eternity like it did this game I guess that's true. | ||
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On March 23 2015 22:53 marvellosity wrote: i think horn was the first game ever you committed to a townread on me when we didn't lynch mafia day 1. But in my defense we quite often DO lynch mafia day 1. | ||
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On March 10 2015 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar's read on me is quite terribly reasoned btw. In response to this: On March 10 2015 19:45 Palmar wrote: Rayn I actually thought was town based on his "everyone who has posted is town". While I thought the JAT thing was uncertain I actually really liked the idea that everyone who had posted at that time was town. Then it turned out to be some weird trap play he hasn't pushed at all since so now I'm not so sure. I don't think I want to lynch him yet, but I'm very much conflicted on his alignment. (we're back on the betrayal bitch ![]() Why, at the time, do you think that was terribly reasoned? | ||
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On March 12 2015 21:08 Palmar wrote: like if rayn is town, mafia needs to never shoot me. I WILL lynch him for the betrayal. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not until lylo. But when the time comes, I will remember the betrayal and I WILL kill him. I cannot help this. On March 12 2015 23:40 Palmar wrote: also I will lynch rayn for the betrayal. I want to make this absolutely clear. There will come a time when I will try to kill him for the betrayal. | ||
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On March 24 2015 00:08 marvellosity wrote: yes, it seems so long ago now... it's pretty nice letting other people lynch mafia it's less nice when you get your ass bitten later for not crusading it in the first place another ironic thing - you give me massive credit for my capabilities as mafia that I don't even have but then you made the argument that if I were mafia I might not bus jat and I would hope that he managed to dig himself out of the hole, which in turn gives me not enough credit for my *actual* strengths i *always* know when a scumbuddy is going down and I act sooner rather than later. funny game. I think you're good as mafia, but I mostly just think you're very good at not getting lynched. Also, assuming you wouldn't bus JAT is based on the assumption that you for the most part like JAT and wouldn't bus him too happily. | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:50 Palmar wrote: I was talking to marv. I'm counter cc-ing because I'm the medic. There is a very real chance rayn is actually mafia and cc'd his buddy to gain town cred, there is literally no downside to it because even if the real medic (me) counterclaims rayn, rayn can just say "well I did it to get him lynched and try to hide the real doctor". Like if I am rayn and JAT my scumbuddy is getting lynched, I do exactly what rayn did. Also, sex rating has nothing to do with being sexy. If rated for attractiveness Damdred and I would basically be off the scale, most of you people would be somewhere in the middle and last time I saw a picture of marv he had a cap on inside so he'd be at -5. But I feel like there may be a cinderella story there. Like have you seen my beard? No you haven't. My beard is fucking glorious. | ||
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On March 24 2015 00:17 marvellosity wrote: It's actually the correct mafia play to appear certain that one person is mafia, so it doesn't look like you're hedging. I just don't think it was warranted that Eden was definitely mafia yesterday, at all. I actually want to think that I'm smart enough as mafia to double wifom (IE I would have waffled on Eden as mafia). But maybe I'm not. | ||
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The fact koshi got so mad at rayn for that was the towniest thing he did throughout the game. The sheer need to have things clear and not muddled is so townie. It's the same when people demand claims are almost always town. The only people who don't care about roles and have no fear of "bluehunting" in the thread are town because they literally don't care, they just want things to be clear. I think I mentioned this affecting my read on koshi (or rather, affirming it). | ||
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On March 24 2015 00:21 marvellosity wrote: imo the right thing to do is to absolutely waffle, because like I said, I don't think being certain was in any way warranted. I didn't afk until deadline because I was certain Eden was mafia, I'll tell you that for free. I think you think rayn is mafia and I think you have thought that since yesterday. HOWEVER, I also think you know it's almost the incorrect play if we assume the information as presented for example by koshi to be true, to lynch him over me or even eden. | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:53 marvellosity wrote: O.o why are you even asking me this? lol 50% curiousity and 50% hoping for a mistake. | ||
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On March 24 2015 00:29 marvellosity wrote: no, my post was a joke so i was wondering why you were turning it into a serious question Oh right. Well yeah, your post was obviously a joke. But in the context I saw an opportunity to run with it. (just a few posts down I call koshi 100% town for what is essentially bluehunting). | ||
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On March 24 2015 00:32 marvellosity wrote: well Koshi had been 100% town for a very long time already. so the whole thing was kinda moot to me anyway. yeah sure, I think I even said so in the post. | ||
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On March 24 2015 00:31 marvellosity wrote: I don't envy prplhz :p you're such a dick ![]() | ||
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On March 24 2015 00:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is there something i need to answer? Why are you so mafia? | ||
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On March 24 2015 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: this is annoying, so fucking annoying.... i am probably gonna eat, then go play hots. i don't know if i am going to be back because this is just dumb. lynch Palmar, he is mafia. If you don't you are bad. so very bad. And I thought, this is exactly the big problem I've had to deal with. No one is going to get mad if I get killed. If we lose because I get lynched, I will probably be called bad by a few people for not being more right than I was, mafia walks away with a win but it's all right because it's all part of the plan. If you kill rayn on the other hand, and I'm the mafia, there'll be hell to pay. Koshi will probably launch a crusade to have you drawn and quartered. I'm impressed the unsafe option is even being considered. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:05 Koshi wrote: K. I don't even know how rayn was mafia. You, need to really really stop being a stubborn unreasonable asshole to people who are trying to talk to you. | ||
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MAfia scored 0 (worst) 2 (tied for 2-3rd worst) and 4 (5th worst). The only other people in that range were Koshi (who was cop, according to sex analysis) and prplhz. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: this is the reason i am not playing any more. there is no logic. Eden got lynched because of inertia. For some reason we managed to stop the inertia the last day. On the last few days you didn't even look 10% as town as Eden and I did. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because he was confirmed town and marv was not. Oh right, you actually went with the confirmed thing. That was (in part) actually just a play on my part. I kinda maybe thought he was town so I brought it up. I sort of believed it but I was never going to write him off based on only that. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: And for the record my shit on Palmar was real on D1. My shit on LS was real. My shit on Damdred was real. I do that all the time and i thought those people fucked up when they said what they did. None of this matters because i am serious. When logic does not dictate this game i am out and it's now. so bye. Logic did dictate this game. It would have been illogical to lynch me on this last day. | ||
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I hate how you're trying to take a shit over the Mafia playing community instead of accepting that on the final day you simply got outplayed by a strong town. There's nothing wrong with that, I get outplayed on regular basis here on TL mafia, this shit happens. | ||
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being right is not a towntell being wrong is not a scumtell | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:35 LightningStrike wrote: I sorry I played that claim stuff really bad Day 2 ![]() No calling me out was fine. You didn't play it badly at all. It was just funny that you softed and then hard-claimed having softed like 3 posts later. Oh and don't you dare fucking leave me hanging again ![]() | ||
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The closest I've been is 23, 24 and 26. Ever. All those times I've been town. | ||
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well my 5th longest filter is mafia I think at 19 pages. So meh. I really, really do try harder as mafia. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:49 Eden1892 wrote: reply #6666 :/ | ||
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9v3 is a difficult one. If it's a completely vanilla setup I think it's mafia favored. Without having much to back it up I think a 9v3 with a single naked cop can actually be a pretty good setup for balance. An alternative would be 9v3 with a pair of masons. So this game you add a town roleblocker to the mix so clearly mafia needs something. However I think the trifecta may have been a bit too much. Also roleblocker is such a difficult role to balance in a small game, because it's very weak early game due to the lack of possible mafia roles and then it becomes very strong late game because it can essentially clear a player once we're down to one mafia. If I was to balance this game I think I would have given mafia the miller/gf combo to deal with the cop, and then some alternative way of dealing with the roleblocker. (although I probably would have just used a veteran instead of a roleblocker). | ||
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On March 24 2015 22:17 justanothertownie wrote: Town got incredibly lucky with the damdred replacement. If nothing like that happens mafia wins. If mafia makes better nightkills throughout the game mafia also wins. Sad times. I put less emphasis in the damdred replacement than you guys do. Town did however get three free townies the day before lylo when conceivably we could easily have a framed target in there. | ||
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