I abandon my self imposed ban and punishment and award myself instead with a great game.
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I abandon my self imposed ban and punishment and award myself instead with a great game. | ||
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Just keep the slot passive and go for a ban after the game ends. | ||
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You can just let me come to the thread when I feel like it and then ask me things. Or expect things after I clearly tried to do things. But expecting things when I didn't bother to do things is what I know perceive as BM and I step away from conflict during games now. | ||
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Damn typos. But they help me to get to my 1 page activity requirement. | ||
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rsoultin is doing absolutely nothing, the post in which she finds it sad HF is host so she can't read jat is mafia. Thinking she is town at this stage of the game is ill advised. JAT is mafia. He snarks at Palmar for reading him town due to laughing at Palmar his joke. Then claims later he is confirmed town because he is in a good mood. He was also around for too long after he said he would be gone and just showed activity. Onegu might be mafia. I am basing this on the fact he needs 3 consecutive posts to show his distain of using dogs during sexual encounters. I am not basing this on the fact he is being a jackass and calling me mafia for no real reason at all. Even though that is also a really good reason. A third reason would be that this guy is filling his filter fast with absolutely nothing, at least rsoultin has irrelevant content in her irrelevant posts. This guy doesn't even have that. For some reason I might think that marv is town. I cannot put this into writing. It's gut and feelings. For some reason I might think that Palmar is town. I could put this into writing but I know that Palmar could also do it as scum. So it's just a let's not lynch this guy yet thing. Ritoky is null. Obviously. I didn't bother reading into rayn yet. He might be sad about that. LS also posted things. I thought he could be mafia if he stepped into the shadows after the eztownread from rsoulting, especially after she got townread by everybody for it. But he returned after a few pages. So that was nothing. I don't really remember his posts atm. Damdred was an initial townread because he said he had townreads before giving them away. Scum Damdred might have went for the cred. | ||
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w.e ls town. Fine read. | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote: Because I found your post funny? Sick read. If you were not snarky here I could actually buy you not being mafia. But I don't know if I can. | ||
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On March 10 2015 20:16 prplhz wrote: @Koshi @Palmar Why is justanothertownie scum? ![]() Nha, it has been proven that is not true for JAT. If one stays around and actually does groundbreaking stuff I would be inclined to townread them. But JAT didn't do that at all. 1) Answered a meek post of rsoultin with more meek stuff 2) Didn't cause any waves by doing scumhunting. Didn't cause any waves period 3) Made a snarky post to palmar townreading him. 3b) if it wasn't a snarky post I don't understand why JAT doesn't use that post to townread Palmar and uses some dumb other post instead. | ||
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On March 10 2015 20:22 prplhz wrote: wow maybe palmar is scum? maybe you are? | ||
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On March 10 2015 20:33 prplhz wrote: @Koshi How do you feel about Alakaslam? My biggest townread this game. I think his case is the best in the thread so far. | ||
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On March 10 2015 20:31 marvellosity wrote: let's not fall into what I call the BH-trap of calling someone mafia for saying/doing townie things though, yes? I am not terrible. | ||
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On March 10 2015 20:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was actually already making a post before where i would read LS town but then i realized he was mafia in artanis game so i am not sure. Yeah the blub list post he made in the game made me ignore him as likely town. Still. Like I said. He might have wanted to go more into the shadows after the townreads. He came back with more reads. Not saying he is certain town, but it looked townie. So is JAT scum rayn? | ||
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On March 10 2015 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar's read on me is quite terribly reasoned btw. Sure. But I would only read the first 5 words because he was rushed to type things within 5 minutes and because you were his first read he probably wanted to show off and also type actual reasoning. But because he is not really good and because there was no reasoning to give he delivered trash. | ||
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I am not saying Palmar is terrible. | ||
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Sad you decided not to do that this game. | ||
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Our love can still be. | ||
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On March 10 2015 20:33 prplhz wrote: @Koshi How do you feel about Alakaslam? prplhz, What is this? I feel like if we want to establish trust you need to come clean. | ||
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I am tired. | ||
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On March 10 2015 22:24 prplhz wrote: satisfied for now koshi? ![]() Not really. | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:12 rsoultin wrote: I can waste posts sitting on you xP too bad HF is host. if you're scum you'd claim his changing targets last minute (which he does as town) is scummy and then get into a shitfight with him that goes practically line for line the same across your scum games ![]() How is I gonna be able to read you without HF? lol And that all other posts are null. Unless you can redirect me to a post you made that is particulary towny? Or proof that you are solving the game? Anything with ls does not count because I don't find it particular supertowny to call somebody else town instantly. Maybe a bit, but you backtracked on that read. So really. What is left? | ||
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People read rsoultin as town because she said something about ls pretty fast. Koshi says people shouldn't do that because she isn't really doing much and made 1 scummy post. rsoultin says Koshi is scumreading her. Koshi says Koshi is not scumreading rsoultin. rsoultin is mad at Koshi for not scumreading her. | ||
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On March 10 2015 23:49 rsoultin wrote: It's not a read, lol. LS was town Except he was scum last game Therefore he is null Why? No se. Rayn does not tell us. Not even an "I thought he was town last game but since he wasn't" I don't get what you are saying. rayn says he was writing a post about ls being town, but because he remembered the LS joat game he went back on his townread and deleted the post. | ||
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Use simple words because I am tired. | ||
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On March 11 2015 00:00 marvellosity wrote: well i think if you read my post, that could be a problem Yes, your post is better. But I can also see rayn just extend on my read on ls. I said nobody sees ls as scum. rayn said he might be because the artanis game. But I was grilling rsoultin. | ||
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On March 11 2015 00:03 rsoultin wrote: -shrugs- marv is probably right that I read too much into that post. it wasn't sparkly and awesome much like the rest of rayn's filter xP I emulated a rayn better than a rayn did! this is so; tell me why. not something he's done this game lol also where is pickle boy :/ he may be town for being contrary and still only posting pickles lol based on what meta? | ||
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Why is rsoultin taking the worst approach for town and townreads ritoky? The best approach would be to scumread him and trow votes at him. To see how ritoky reacts and to make him stop the sillyness. Giving him townreads is not helping anybody. Ever. | ||
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And it helps scumritoky regardless of rsoultin her alignment. It helps scum is what I want to say. | ||
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On March 11 2015 00:14 prplhz wrote: it also helps town rso who thinks ritoky may be town for posting pickles? How? We continue not voting ritoky? | ||
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On March 11 2015 00:20 rsoultin wrote: the sadness :/ no one understands noooobody knows, the troubles I've seen! nooooobody knows, the soooorrrooow free townie points to anyone who can show why koshi is cute BUT HE'S WROOOOONG!! lololol About what? | ||
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On March 11 2015 00:44 rsoultin wrote: >> where's my apology from koshi written in blood? (preferably his, but goat blood will work) -waiting- ^^ JAT flimsy mentioned a policy lynch. Not going to townread ritoky for ingnoring that. | ||
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On March 11 2015 00:52 rsoultin wrote: lol I don't need you to share my reads. it usually means my reads are bad when everyone agrees with me xP but you were definitely wrong that his pickle posting extravaganza had not been commented on ![]() I WIN! blood apology now plzthx *grmbl grmbl* | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have no idea why people are townreading Eden and scumreading Slam. I retract my townread on Eden. Probably till he posts something again but maybe not. Slam not in game. | ||
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so Eden not reading and asking me questions that he can easily look up. rayn not reading because I never scumread JAT for saying something townie. I gave reasons to why JAT is scum and then prplhz gave me 1 sentence that looked somewhat townie in is pov and I said: "scum JAT would make a couple lines that look townie". But it didn't affect the reasons why I found JAT mafia. Additional reason why JAT is mafia and I forgot if I already said it: JAT liked 3 people for no reason. town JAT doesn't really like people even if there are good reasons. | ||
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Anyway, last post till tomorrow most likely. Too tired. And got soccer. And marv is stonewalling me on 2 people for no reason, rayn is boring. So they can't fight it out. | ||
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On March 11 2015 06:30 ritoky wrote: naw i can't be scum. if i were scum this game and playing this way, with this many quality players; they would be yelling @ me in the QT and bussing me into the ground already #selfawareness No they wont if town doesn't votes you. And JAT tried. Nobody bite. | ||
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On March 11 2015 06:33 ritoky wrote: yo koochi, remember that one time when you and i yelled for 100+ pages about how chromatically and robik were mafia, while the entire rest of the town mafia sided? can you bee the phallic bastion of glory like you were then, so i can sheep you? I am voting JAT. You also say JAT is mafia. We good. | ||
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JAT what are your reads? + Show Spoiler + I am dead serious | ||
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Except when you are pretty ok with a marv lynch but you think Koshi is such a sexy bastard and his read on JAT is so unbelievable good that sheeping Koshi is really the right play. | ||
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makes sense. | ||
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On March 11 2015 06:48 justanothertownie wrote: shhhh I am pushing mafia agenda here. Don't interfere. Oh wait are you saying you wouldn't do it as mafia so I should townread you. no thx. | ||
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He just did the thing in which he pretends to think the same as a prominent figure. | ||
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gg. Another N1 shot. | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:00 justanothertownie wrote: I never did anything like that in any game I ever played. What are you smoking? At least 3 times in Horn. Good that you don't remember. | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:03 justanothertownie wrote: I might have unintentionally crossposted with people - I do that all the time as either alignment - but I never ever did what you are accusing me of. I only believe it if you flip town. Or when. Same shit. | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:13 rsoultin wrote: he's right jat >> intentional or not you have copied top town as scum -shrugs- On March 11 2015 07:15 justanothertownie wrote: No, because that is exactly the point. I DID crosspost (I always do as town or as scum) but I did NEVER do it intentionally. | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote: I am not. Why are you asking me dumb questions like this? Another lie. | ||
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JAT tell me when you are here and I will instantly ask the question after. f5ing every second. If it takes too long I will vote you for being a douche. | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:34 Eden1892 wrote: Cuz he actually read the thread the whole time lol. Man my vote was trendsetting You aren't even voting JAT? | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:35 Eden1892 wrote: Check again amigo Yeah I am not seeing your vote before mine. And I don't see any votes on JAT after you. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:29 rsoultin wrote: I actually kind of understand why he asked Eden the question about marv, out-of-context, because on the surface it is strange to call Marv scum then put him as top town. Then it looked like Palmar was stretching his read a bit, since he'd predicted Damdred would do certain things (change his tone, wait awhile to come back to the thread, etc.) but Damdred didn't intimate that Palmar was scum like Palmar predicted. So I wasn't really feeling the lynch. It was his exchange with and about marv that just made me eh. He keeps on disappearing from the thread or changing the topic instead of just answering the question. As for LS...he defends me anyway so I'm not sure what to make of it. It is kind of weird that he hasn't posted more. LIES. JAT IS CONFIRMED MAFIA | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:38 Eden1892 wrote: Damn I think my lynch list is the same as Koshi's. Ballin And unlike imperial they cant kill us both on N1. | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:45 justanothertownie wrote: Eden, you are claiming a scumread on me now, yes? u serius? | ||
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Most of the things I said were terrible. | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:34 Damdred wrote: @Prh, I remember metal mafia and I agree with you that JAT could very very well be mafia here but i'm not sure that its because of how he town reads people necessarily. In games like imperial and a few other of his town games he gave out a few town reads earlier and granted it was pretty easy to townread some of the people in this game he is missing some of his key characteristics as town and some of the smart posts that he normally makes or at least observations in the thread. Though in that regard perhaps the town reads are telling as he isn't really saying smart things about them or what he likes just a bland this is who he likes. obvious buss. I am with you bro. This time I sheep. ##unvote ##vote: Damdred | ||
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Wants me to ignore him. Make comments that obliges me to comment him. | ||
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On March 11 2015 08:11 justanothertownie wrote: Damdred may be mafia. I don't really remember a single thing he did this game. JAT just read Damdred mafia hard earlier. Now he might be mafia. And JAT has 0 reasons. | ||
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On March 11 2015 08:12 justanothertownie wrote: Not that I didn't already allude to this when I commented on marvs list earlier. DAMN YOU ARE FAST WHEN YOU SLIP | ||
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What is your reply? | ||
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JAT scumreads marv minorly. | ||
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Onegu you can be a hero this game. | ||
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Either you or JAT is mafia. How do you reply? | ||
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On March 11 2015 08:52 Eden1892 wrote: Tbh since I called him scum 1st we should find ppl who sheeped me. They are probably mafia. Also JAT is mafia cuz he wasn't doing anything proactively. Even when he wasn't defending himself (which is obviously excused) all of his posts were covering older ground or responding to others' queries instead of raising his own. Town JAT would have had some leads he wanted to pursue after catchup. Imo You don't have to tell me bro. I started this entire thing. | ||
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On March 11 2015 08:52 justanothertownie wrote: It is dissapointing because it does not tell us that much about their alignment. JAT read marv his conclusion. Notice the 0 input. | ||
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On March 11 2015 08:56 marvellosity wrote: if it was the really stupid question, then no Come on pleassssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I tried hard this game. | ||
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On March 11 2015 09:02 justanothertownie wrote: Tomorrow. Finding mafia does not seem easy so far. mafia | ||
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On March 11 2015 09:09 Onegu wrote: Means you are 95% and I'm 100%. 95%<100%... thought you were smart Marv, who is the stupid one now? One can't argue with statistics. | ||
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On March 11 2015 09:10 marvellosity wrote: no because that would mean you had played with rayn 0 times for your percentages to be correct get fucking rekt If Onegu played 0 times with rayn and you played 20 times more than Onegu with rayn and you were wrong once. What does that tell you marv? That really looks bad. | ||
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On March 11 2015 09:14 Damdred wrote: Your right on that I was trying to correct before people posted about it meh. Oh well thats what I get Also why is it so important that I make a case to rayn? I cant convince him he's scum? Especially when he wants it So he can stop tunneling him if he sees you are town? | ||
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I got it guys. No worries. | ||
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good day. | ||
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Thailand has no Pickles Chips. EXPLAIN YOUR SCUMREAD ON ME NOW ONEGU? | ||
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On March 11 2015 09:31 Onegu wrote: Doesn't matter anything pickle flavor is disgusting plus I'm back in the states now. EVERYBODY PAY ATTENTION Onegu just said that because he is back in the states he knows the pickles flavor is disgusting. But how big is the chance that somebody who hates pickles buys a pickles bag of chips? Really small. So why does he uses him being in the States as an argument to brush away my scumread? Thank you. Confirmed scum. | ||
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See this game feels like I am swimming. But I like swimming in water. So I am doing breaststrokes but it feels odd. And I realize I am swimming in outer space. Which is not pleasant because I like swimming in water. But w.evs I keep doing breaststrokes but it is just odd the entire time. but yeah I keep doing breaststrokes in the hope I suddenly find myslef swimming in water but alas there is no water in space. This is how I experience this game. This shows that mafia is doing dumb shit I cant read them mafia for or they outplay me. So final scumteam for d1 is Rsoultin, ritoky, palmar. | ||
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Onegu Damdred and in some extend rayn are playing a difficult game but might not be scum. So the 3 namee I mentioned are just comfortably sitting above those in all the list posts in our heads. What has JAT done? His scumreads are the same as marv, but smart as he is he upgraded some influencial people and then is stck with Onegu and Damdred but really... Where are the accusations? He also downgrades me and then just keeps me at bay. It is really uneventful. Eden has again failed to show any form of inteligent argument within a conversation. He made some reads in his list post which I need to reread but I know I will be disappointed. He made 1 argument against JAT for this entire game and he got patted on the back by JAT for it. Really. It happened. Ritoky his talk with his balls was hilarious but terrible. Especially everything around Eden. Look at how he let's shine through that Eden is having a too easy game and then how he then comes to the wrong conclusion that it are the people who are townreading Eden too easy that need to be scrutunized. It read really wrong to me. I think that is where I am. I do not think Palmar is mafia. I do not think rayn is mafia but I do respect marv. I do not think ls is mafia. I have damdred and Onegu as legit bolded null reads. I like rsoultin somewhere and I need to know from marv why he townread her d2 in horn. Was she this prominent? I was in the obs of a newbie game and I remember her being a force of her own. I dont know if she is that here, what is the force pushing? What did the force find out? It isnt that much. I go find a computer. | ||
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Why I think Damdred is town: On March 10 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote: I think Edens has a good shot to be town here. So four so far XD On March 10 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote: Well marv, we have found out that Eden wants to tie rs up and do naughty things! And we have found out that many people are potential town! As such this is a time for celebration These 2 quotes look like the come from a town watching, learning and believing what he is reading. A bit of a naive town, he calls 4 people town and I think he refers to Palmar, JAT, marv, Eden. He could be mafia just going with the flow though, good on him if he can do it so carelessly. On March 10 2015 08:46 Damdred wrote: LS is a dangerous shifty monster! who is more than likely town here, and hes a town puppy Imagine if all the above 4 are town, would scum Damdred add another? If the above 4 are not town, did scum Damdred let the wrong information go? Maybe. On March 10 2015 10:42 Damdred wrote: Man I called ls out and got shit on it. Haha that's awesome anyway I still think ls is town here for some reason Looks genuine. If it is genuine I think it comes from town and not scum. Based on the fact that scum might be annoyed for being shit on and not getting cred? He is referring to rs getting towncred for reading LS town I think. On March 10 2015 22:37 Damdred wrote: Game feels a bit easy people are acting towny. Rayn is a good vote ##vote rayn If we believe that everything Damdred thinks is genuine. He got 6 townreads with rsoultin being townish after calling ls town. This vote makes 100% sense from town!Damdred perspective. So the early game looks very townie to me. Now I have to wade through the rayn vs damdred part and I don't know if I will be able to get anything out of it. But I guess I will read it. Probably skim it. Anyway, raynbro, let me know what you think. | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:05 Damdred wrote: Palmar baby you just had to explain to me what was going on and I would of went with you <3. Anyway i'm not exactly sure what you would want from me in a list post that I intentionally made devoid of any reason besides a list of people. I wanted people Marv especially since he asked me about it to confront me about it and to see the responses that I could get and analyze in thread. If i'm not mistaken rayn was the first person to hit it up in that regard and eden second and then Marv said I was lackluster. That's interesting to me but will save that for later when I have a bit more information to go with. (Especially with marv seemingly not paying much attention to it after he asked me directly about it Naughty marv). In that regard Eden you made a post I can't quote now in your early filter that I really liked and made it seem like you were thinking about RS alignment and I could clearly see you paying attention and trying so I thought that you looked pretty towny. I also have Ritoky as null but my gut is telling me that he should be up into the town section but I just want him to do more things. This post again reads genuine and the bolded part is why I read Eden town in the start. The thing with marv and rsoultin. I already forgot about the entire thing but it is kinda the only thing Eden did on that townie level. It is just too little to keep townreading him. But it makes me feel ok about Damdred once more. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 11 2015 02:13 Damdred wrote: To go along with my point what are you trying to prove here rayn? That LS thinks he did better than you think he did? you are going after this in such a dogged fashion what is the point? On March 11 2015 02:17 Damdred wrote: Like explain to me this point Rayn because you are just seem so crazy right here? On March 11 2015 02:20 Damdred wrote: Llike your declaring him mafia based on a factually incorrect statement you are taking from a previous game. And when others in the game say its not true you still hammer on him? I'm just not seeing what you are rayn treat me like i'm an idiot On March 11 2015 02:51 Damdred wrote: Rayn that post was later explained by LS to say the POE meta was other town reads he had I believe. He still called me RS town until I got shot and RS got shot, like you are totally misrepresenting what happened in that game and its bad. LS made his case on prh day three I believe, slam revealed his check on oneg day 4? it went shoot damdred, palmar shenanigans lynched, rs shot, Oneg red checked. On palmar lynch day LS made his case, plenty of time to re-evaluate So Damdred defended LS a bunch and is stonewalling rayn. Then Damdred makes these 2 posts. Well, I don't understand what posts it are. The correction is this post: On March 11 2015 03:03 Damdred wrote: Or rather after rayn flips he thinks i'm scum which isn't the case if you read the post And then rayn goes bananas. And then Damdred makes these posts: On March 11 2015 03:05 Damdred wrote: Like seriously if you read the post you can see that LS says prp looks horrible and is on his anti-town list or whatever which he explains as such like two posts later to ritoky. Seriously rayn? On March 11 2015 04:08 Damdred wrote: Honestly I corrected myself like less than a minute later 0 posts between the posts since I obviously saw I misphrased something, and once again rayn isn't reading On March 11 2015 04:14 Damdred wrote: I have no clue honestly it doesn't make anyone scum neccessairly I think rayns misrepresentation of ls looks bad and hid push on ls and now me is illogical and really rests on people not fact checking or reading its just really weird On March 11 2015 04:16 Damdred wrote: You are acting so bad and idiotic right now rayn it makes no sense. I 100% corrected my error you are clinging onto in the next post nothing you have posted on ls makes him scum gj On March 11 2015 04:25 Damdred wrote: You are acting insane rayn i understand if you could make the argument as town, howeveryou directly misconstrued a post ls made in my mind and thus it males the push on him bad you can't even tell me why he's mafia using this game and you call me mafia for a lie that isn't true? You could be scum you were really forgettable early now you are just latching onto anything its really weird And these post look 100% genuine to me again. I don't even know what exactly the problem is. Or the source of the problem. I also haven't read 1 post of rayn as I am just taking this out of Damdred his filter. But I can imagine the posts of rayn between these posts and I like damdred his responses. I fully believe he is 100% town and if he isn't he just outplayed me and I will nominate him for a best play mafia award. Case closed. Damdred town for me. raynbro let me know what you think. I will now read your filter. | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: How can you possibly think JAT is town? Eden is so fucking scum for this post. What is that? Did he answer rayn? I need to look it up after rayn filter. | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:26 Eden1892 wrote: Instinct He should probably be null though. Def don't see where he's been affirmatively scummy yet to pick him out of a pile He did. I need to check if Eden his JAT scumread makes sense. | ||
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On March 10 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pretty sure marv, rsoultin and onegu are town. JAT why Palmar and eden? I need to know your read on Onegu here. I think it is gut + meta. I need to know so that I might be able to sheep it. Also, give me the reasoning behind the rsoultin read if you remember. I read rayns filter and there is not much to go on, I don't think he is mafia though. The cool kid reasoning is that rayn is pretty openminded about JAT and Eden, calling them out a couple times, and JAT and Eden are not touching rayn. They show fear. I also don't think the post he made around ls and damdred are mafia. They could very easily be rayn figuring things out and then getting tunneled in Damdred his possible lie. | ||
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On March 11 2015 05:16 ritoky wrote: outside of the circlejerk, eden likes pickles and circlejerks so fuck him. he needs to die. scumread a guy for joking, fuck you twice. no long post analysis fuck you three times. when you get fucked three times, you lose and get lynched. On March 11 2015 07:43 ritoky wrote: my right testicle thought for a moment, because he is clearly the more thoughtful of the two before delivering #sickreads: "well ritoky, you're kinda dumb and don't notice stuff; but did you totally see that part of the thread where everyone town read eden left right and center and then none of them (except marv being snarky) gave any feedback or commentary on his read-o-tron9000 post? he is being town read too easily, you should really consider the people town reading him" Does the succession of these 2 posts make any sense? It might somewhere, but I need o hear it from somebody else. | ||
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On March 11 2015 22:33 marvellosity wrote: I don't think he tried to figure anything out though. I think he saw something to latch on to and went for it, without working out what was involved (which is what i showed) I know. But I think he can do it as town. He can have really underwhelming games as town sometimes. Completely 100% underwhelming. Doing the things he does as mafia. We could lynch him for it. But it isn't a 100% sure thing for me yet. | ||
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On March 11 2015 22:36 marvellosity wrote: aren't they both just scumreads on eden? So he thinks Eden is scum and then his buddies are easy townreading him? Yeah. i think that is possible. | ||
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On March 11 2015 22:34 LightningStrike wrote: Woke up and saw Koshi making a Town Case for Damdred being Town which I agreed with and Palmar complaining that we had spammed to much o.o Also rsoultin seems to be a little playful this game compared to others. Koshi what do you make of that argument between Me, Rayn, and Damdred? I summed it up earlier. rayn makes post around you I skimmed and not read. damdred stonewall rayn but I don't really get why. damdred makes a mistake. rayn jumps on damdred his mistake. damdred defends himself. rayn is sure damdred is mafia. | ||
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On March 11 2015 22:43 Palmar wrote: I'm glad I spent like an hour reading people's filters and shit for this research. It's most valuable. It's not terrible. | ||
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On March 11 2015 21:20 Koshi wrote: I fear the scumteam is something near jat eden ritoky and we will have a hard time. Maybe even rsoultin. I want to add that I am considering rayn and forgot rplhz when I made this. | ||
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On March 11 2015 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I must of skimmed through that part. What you think of rsoultins reaction to the argument? rsoultin is very focussed on rayn and is trying to calm him. If rsoultin has a strong townread on Damdred it looks good for her. | ||
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On March 11 2015 22:56 marvellosity wrote: no, which is why i mentioned that post however i've not checked and i'm not even sure i've seen all his mafia filters... ^^ I know, I checked it because you mentioned it. It isn't bad. But I don't think it is good enough. Maybe it is good enough to survive to D2. But I don't know really. Doesn't Palmar always put him really high on his own town thingies? Always blue on the top. | ||
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We are getting closer! | ||
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if I respect marv and add that scum doesn't bus like mofos. | ||
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JAT Eden rayn Also works for me but poor JAT must be whining in scumQT and his teammates must not like him. | ||
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I shall ponder on these names a bit. rsoultin isn't making the cut anymore I guess. I don't know how I feel about that. | ||
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On March 12 2015 00:12 Eden1892 wrote: God damn it once again I have a double at work and people are pushing me. I'll do what I can today to defend myself but this is pretty annoying. Damdred you called me town for my big reads post yesterday. What changed? You've said a couple times since that "this isn't my town game" but haven't covered why this is, and you kinda need to since you pretty openly called it my town game not that long ago and nothing has changed about my play since then. marv you upgraded me to town earlier, again nothing I've done since then has changed but now you moved me down to your lowest tier in your list post? Why? Why do you like Koshi's play more today when nothing has really changed about his either? And why do you keep handling JAT with kid gloves all of today, anyway? Koshi what are you doing man? Damdred could be silly and marv could be mafia but I'm pretty sure you aren't. You said I had "failed to show any form of inteligent argument within a conversation." What is that? Did you even read my big reads post man? C'mon. I have no idea how to even defend myself against some of this. I feel like JAT is probably still mafia for not even trying to figure things out (and should absolutely be the lynch today over me even if you suspect both of us), there's a decent chance marv is mafia because he should know better and he's handling JAT all weird. Third one idk yet Red is bad because 2 reasons: 1) Marv already explained why he likes my posting today better. It is in the thread. You have read the thread, yet you lie here. 2) My play is completely different today. It is kinda obvious. Again you lie. To answer the bolded: Yes, I read it and again you know that I read it. But I am referring to you not being interesting/engaged at all with people in 1 on 1 discussions.You spammed a couple times JAT is mafia. But when I was grilling JAT yesterday for multiple hours, what were you doing? Nothing. That is bad. If you want to be read green: Stop whining. Stop panicking. Start playing. tyvm. | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:12 Eden1892 wrote: Getting really sick of this shit where I have to be a spastic squirrel on covaine that makes the game unplayable for my team if I want to be town eead nope. You have to actually present reads that go beyond meta. You have to interact with your scumreads. JAT enters thread, Eden is nowhere. JAT leaves thread, Eden is back to complain. *yawn* | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:16 LightningStrike wrote: You suggesting they are Mafia together? No. I am saying that it is pretty strange that JAT was here for a period of time and that Eden didn't talk to him. For somebody who has JAT as his biggest scumread there are very few interactions between them. This might be because scum!Eden is simply afraid to actually talk to his scumread because he will show weakness in reasoning when he does so. And therefore he is avoiding it. Or he is certain about his JAT read. But then I don't know why he isn't rallying people to vote JAT and instead is doing something that looks like saying marv is mafia. But he is not trying to convince anybody else about this fact. | ||
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This page has way to much defensive and reactive stuff in it and almost nothing proactive and aggressive in it. One does not have to have many pages to show he wants to find his mafia and solve the game. But how many posts of Eden are about finding mafia? We are approaching deadline and he is whining and not finding mafia. In the PM game he was also whining before we lynched him D1. LS can you remember a game in which Eden whines and is town? Like constantly boohooing? | ||
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Saying we are lynching him because he isn't an angry squirrel is wrong. 1 person brought it up. That's it. That being said. I am still not lynching Eden. Which I have been saying for ages now. | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:13 Eden1892 wrote: I am not lying, wtf is wrong with you? Learn what the word means. I might be wrong about some things (though I don't think I am? and can't know without you explaining) but I am not lying Well. You are wrong on a lot of things. Fine. | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:21 Eden1892 wrote: Koshi what do you think about my case on Damdred? Do you not think it's scummy that he townread me for my big reads post and then waited until you somehow decided I was mafia to be like "oh yeah his filter is so bad he's so mafia"? I have a 100% townread on Damdred. | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:26 justanothertownie wrote: Why? Still for those awful reason you compiled earlier? Yes. He has attacked rsoultin when he didn't need to. He defended ls when he didn't need to. His early game was extremely townie. EXTREMELY townie. And all his posts make sense and are genuine while he is scumhunting. So yeah. 100% town. Eden being a giant dramaqueen has as only result that I 1) think he is mafia. 2) think less of him in case he flips town someday. | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:53 justanothertownie wrote: It is absolutely true. You cannot read his post and tell me otherwise unless you are retarded. I used my fingers as measuring tape and it is equally bid. And there are more townies than scumreads. So you are the retarded one. | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:55 Eden1892 wrote: wrong. it's getting revisited now LS, what is Koshi's case on JAT Try to fucking read. | ||
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Coolio. JAT needs to be scum or I don't even know who can be. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:17 Eden1892 wrote: alright, i'm going to eat finally and then going to work. will be sparse after 5pm cdt, but there's a better chance i can be online Somebody should check out how many times this guy works and has breaks etc. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:19 justanothertownie wrote: Ritoky has been in my scumlist for ages. For fucking ages. Can you tldr why? Just the pickles joke? | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:23 justanothertownie wrote: For not doing anything at all. If he had played the game while making the pickles joke - fine. But he didn't. He did some things. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:26 rsoultin wrote: kosh, can you stop with the either/or nonsense in a 13p game -_- No it amuses me. | ||
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I am doing that the entire day already. But like you said, we got a town marv to listen to. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:41 Damdred wrote: no clue whats going on honestly i'm trying to catch up fast as I can. If i'm being lynched I can give final reads in the last 10 minutes Yes. Please do ASAP. I can't stop them. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:43 justanothertownie wrote: We are not mislynching me. Get your fucking votes of me if you are town. This is a really awful lynch. Dude. There is a 95% certainty we are lynching you. I am not moving. rayn is not moving. Onegu is not moving. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:44 justanothertownie wrote: Like rsoultin if you keep your vote on me you OWE me an explanation why I am mafia. Why? You are dead then. you can't do anything with the explanation. And the explanation would be wrong. rofl. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:47 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote JAT I didn't read anything but the post at the top of the page said there's 95% chance we're lynching him so I'm assuming I'm sheeping people who actually care. It's the low sexual people though. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: i cc JAT. That's not funny. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote: there is 0% chance that I let jat be the leading wagon for so long without either trying to seriously do something about it or make myself look good on it. you know that. You tried to lynch my bro ![]() But I was like, don't lynch my bro. And in the heavyweight game you bussed as second. Anyway. Like I said. I hope you are not mafia. Tomorrow it is your job to find mafias. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:15 Eden1892 wrote: Cool. Marv Koshi rso are confirmed to me. Ray obvious. LS maybe too This doesn't make sense. | ||
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He was scumreading you, then after the flip you look worse, and he says you are more confirmed over LS? And why rsoultin? And the thing about you looking "bad" after the mafia JAT flip and therefore being town bores me. | ||
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Ok. Why does Eden find marv town now? | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care about that much at this point. Did he bus JAT? If you think so, why? Are you the dumb one? He fucking pushed everything except JAT the last 24h. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will go reread it after sleep and work. I don't really care at this point tbh Koshi. Same. I don't really know who is mafia now. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:36 Eden1892 wrote: I also had the first actually good reason to kill JAT. Then you riled up a witch mob and got pissy at me for "not interacting" and then I did and guess what? As is my wont, I GOT TALKED OUT OF MY SCUM READ AKA A PERENNIAL WEAKNESS OF MINE. You are singlehandedly ruining my ability to grow this game, and for that you're very quickly earning an enduring loathing. Did I even ever vote for you? | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:38 marvellosity wrote: ^ jat doesn't often townread his buddies and they're kinda throwaway. dno. decent chance they were all town already i guess. I am thinking about it but I don't have any other scumreads left then. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: i have no idea. maybe to look good after flip, i don't know tbh. after all i was pushed by like everyone at some point. I didn't push my bro ![]() | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:57 marvellosity wrote: actually i didn't scroll down that far. what's your point though? the idea is much the same, if there is a framer town can only ever get one (valid) redcheck like not mentioning framer literally changes nothing about the strength of the remaining cop. "there is certainly either a gf or a framer" then I am just spinning everything you say as scummy. | ||
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Palmar isn't doing fuck all so I don't blame him for not noticing marv. (but he did) Marv isn't noticing Palmar and put him way too high in his listpost. Probably because he can't estimate how high he should be. Marv townreads Onegu pretty hard during D1. So I cant' really lynch Onegu before marv. So who is left? Really? | ||
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Yes only pickles sadly enough. But I want to celebrity lynch before I die. | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:03 marvellosity wrote: you realise in Horn I had Palmar several places above where everyone else thought also? Oh ok. So that's why you were forced to put him this high this game. To match your meta. Palmar in horn was way more obvious town than this Palmar. wayyyyy | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:05 marvellosity wrote: you're falling into the BH-trap :p "you are doing something you would do as town so you are mafia" bad koshi. Nope. That is not it. Palmar is too high in your list. I knew it then and I know it now. Tell me who is mafia marv. If it isn't Palmar it is you. | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi please go bad and re-evaluate. You are being dumb atm. NOPE. DAMDRED IS EXACTLY WHERE I AM NOW. EXACTLY. He is not mafia NEVER. NEVER NEVER NVER NEVER. NEVER NEVER NVER NEVER. NEVER NEVER NVER NEVER. NEVER NEVER NVER NEVER. NEVER NEVER NVER NEVER. NEVER NEVER NVER DO NOT FUCKING EVER LYNCH HIM WHEN MAFIA SHOOTS ME. | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:09 marvellosity wrote: i can go into full trolling Koshi mode now, this could be fun I am pretty hard to troll. trolls troll trolls trolling trolls. | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:09 Eden1892 wrote: Lol right The funny thing is I agree with almost everything he said... And it makes me more confident he is mafia This is the BH trap. | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:00 Damdred wrote: justanothertownie (10): raynpelikoneet, Lightningstrike, onegu, palmar, marvellosity, rsoul, damdred, koshi, ritoky, eden1892 raynpelikoneet (2): prplhz, justanothertownie justanothertownie the mafia goon has been lynched! i'm going to colored in the confirmed to me and some thoughts. Here is my initial list of people I think are pretty confirmed at this point. Rayn, Koshi, LS are the initial pushers of JAT I feel just going from memory. LS went out of his way to dig up a meta read and really push that JAT was scum, Rayn is obvious blue and Koshi was one of the main pushers. Prph is interesting because he was (as eden pointed out) the first person to ping jat out when multiple people were starting to town read him. I think that this is really good and it doesn't confirm him like it does the top three but it makes him highly town to go along with his early activity. justanothertownie (10): raynpelikoneet, Lightningstrike, onegu, palmar, marvellosity,rsoul, damdred, koshi, ritoky, eden1892 raynpelikoneet (2): prplhz, justanothertownie So we then come to the post that Prph points out where JAT gave out three very early town reads on RS, Eden and Palmar. Rs I think is probable town for the post that Rayn quoted here especially. Looks really good and the second half of Rsoultins filter looks really good in my eyes. (not your first you dirty girl you) I also think Palmar is probably town in this case, and hes my lover so yes I believe JAT he is town here Eden is a bit harder but just going along that JAT let it slip out that these three are town it would look like this. I am the most suspicious of Eden because of previous things I've said though but i'm leaving that out for now justanothertownie (10): raynpelikoneet, Lightningstrike, onegu, palmar, marvellosity,rsoul, damdred, koshi, ritoky, eden1892 raynpelikoneet (2): prplhz, justanothertownie This leaves me in a world where the final two mafia are between Onegu, Ritoky and Marvellosity. (If I believe JAT calling them town). This leaves me in a difficult situation as I had a townread on Ritoky and on Marvellosity. I haven't known what to do with Onegu though so its possible hes the next mafia. and JAT was trying to push Ritoky into scum I think without voting him as well which is kind of weird. I would love to take eden out and say JAT lied about one person but I think scum Eden probably would of bus'd the fuck out of JAT in this situation to when there was little hope to get him off the hook. There is like nothing bad in here. Nothing he skipped. Look at how he uses the 3 green names but then also adds his own explanation. Fucking 100% town. | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:12 rsoultin wrote: >> I pocketed marv by being reasonable (and poeing myself) until he actually read it's not impossible, kosh Ok you die after marv. 100% FUCKING TOWN 100% ONE HUNDRED PROCENT | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:17 prplhz wrote: does it mean anything that marv read into old onegu games to find out onegu only claims vt as town? Onegu told him in the scumQT. marv didn't read anything. | ||
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If you are a RB, flip a coin and rb marv or Onegu. If it falls on the side you might want to rb ritoky. Nobody else but those 2. Do it because I was right on JAT. | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:54 Damdred wrote: Marv, who is scum right now? perfect question. 100% town. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:50 marvellosity wrote: so if i go back to my original early reads like i wish i had in horn rayn goes up some spots koshi goes up spots still left with the ritoky/onegu problem damdy is kinda near the bottom by default, don't know if i like that or not hmm. not helped me very much tbh. This list? Damdred is 100% town. So marv is wrong on this. HE IS 100% town. WHY are not more people seeing it is beyond me. But when you people see it. Remember how wrong marv was and he is pretty good at the game when he isn't mafia. marv has given Onegu has been given passive townreads the entire game. Like the VT thing. Which is fine, but then why is marv not looking further? Ritoky might be mafia. But he also might be lynchbait. Eden? Maybe. but is marv pushing him? trying to become sure? Nope. rsoultin? Maybe. But is marv pushing her? trying to become sure? Nope. Palmar? REALLY NOW PALMAR? jeezus. Palmar is playing scummy on purpose. Nobody here nows if he is scum or town pretending. Marv also doesn't know it. I am certain. Anyway. Marv is mafia. This is one of the reasons. | ||
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On March 12 2015 09:20 marvellosity wrote: also the whole argument that i need to be personally pushing people constantly to refine my reads is just nonsense Nope. You don't have to. But I expect to be able to read who you think is mafia from the undertone of your posts. But I can't. There are no reads. Nowhere. You weren't sure about JAT. You have reasons to believe Onegu is town. Palmar is on top of the townlist. rayn is town now. Koshi is town. Eden is town due to dickness. You yelled out Ritoky is lynchbait. What is left marv? Damdred? I tell you. Damdred is 100% town. I am sure of it. Challenge me on the Damdred read or claim mafia. You have nobody left anymore. | ||
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On March 12 2015 09:28 marvellosity wrote: if you are wrong, can i quote this post that says i should never listen to your opinion again and that no-one should ever listen to your read on me again? I lynched mafia D1. You did this: On March 12 2015 09:26 marvellosity wrote: *dances* | ||
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The filter size argument is bullshit. You won your previous mafia game by it. I am doing the right play for town. The wrong play is being rsoultin and being condescending about a townie making the right play. Or she gives me a 100% townread on marv right now. And explains it in full detail. Becuase fuck her. Fuck her thinking she can trow mud on me for scumhunting a valid target. Why is marv 100% town rsoultin? Can you tell me? Can you? You fucking can't; So shut the fuck up. | ||
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Let us stop hunting scum. And then lynch Onegu/ritoky/Damdred/Palmar and then when they flip town. Let's blame them. Because they didn't show us how townie they were. While we closed our eyes for possible scum. | ||
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On March 12 2015 09:33 marvellosity wrote: i didn't have by far the longest filter in that game. so you won't give me a yes? you're a fucking pussy Koshi? Confirmed not reading. I just said that I wasn't 100% and that I am trying to find the correct read. | ||
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Did marv look good after the Imperial D4 lynch of his buddy ritoky? NOPE. Case closed. Thank you. | ||
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Doesn't mean shit. I can type w.evs I want to pressure you. I am confirmed town. Why are you bringing this line of reasoning up? It serves no purpose. Is this how you will be trying to look good? Quoting silly things like this? How low the great marv has fallen. Well. He is mafia. So he can only do things like this to be remotely interesting. | ||
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But failing. And now calling it trolling. It's kinda sad. | ||
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It surprised me and took me a couple seconds to think it over but it makes a shitton of sense. But then I think it more over and I wonder... Why didnt JAT claim rb? Or Veteran? Probably because he was 100% lynch anyway and wanted a cc. But still. I dont like how marv so bluntly assumed there was a gf in the mafia team. Scum marv deception assuming that is that in reality there is a framer. And scum marv thought by only saying gf it would look like it comes from a townie.. | ||
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Because if somebody says you have tmi you hope somebody notices the framer role and turn it around the guy who said you have tmi. | ||
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1) damdred is 100% town 2) marv is mafia. | ||
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Why am I not being shot? Marv mafia. And in all seriousness. Why is marv wanting to shoot somebody who is not mafia in his eyes? He never calls him mafia. Never. Marv mafia. | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:44 marvellosity wrote: every time i rolled vigi i shot a townie who pissed me off. so if you're town, that would fit into my pattern quite nicely, even if it was someone else doing the shooting. Masks his terrible choice of a vigi shot by using self meta. Scummarv | ||
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2) marv mafia | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:54 marvellosity wrote: I really just want to replace out this game but I can't because that would be shitty. Fine. I will ignore you on the off chance you are town. I would be really mad if I was tunneling myself like this. The victim part of me. | ||
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Why it doesnt make sense at all. What Palmar did was pretty townie. | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:59 Palmar wrote: Koshi. JAT was mad at my antics Marv is mad at my antics Jat was mafia Marv is ??? rsoultin is mad at your antics YOU ARE THE NEW CHEZINU!!!! | ||
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rsoultin only mimicked you. She is not confirmed town for it. If you fight me on rsoultin because that sole fact. I am going to like marv a lot suddenly. But.you wont cuz.you are totes <3 | ||
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palmar and rayn can you please take turns protecting me? | ||
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It was implied. The only thing that changed is my target of unreasonableness. | ||
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On March 12 2015 21:25 LightningStrike wrote: I;m back and saw that Palmar still think think Marv is Mafia and people thinking rsoultin is mafia when she had recently played 2 games as Mafia into Town in JOAT and I would be upset if I was her rolling Mafia in this game -_- @Everyone why would Rayn and Palmar counterclaim JAT's Doctor claim if they are the entire Mafia team? there is no sane reason. | ||
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Nobody dares to call somebody else mafia. Jeezus. | ||
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On March 12 2015 22:57 marvellosity wrote: me, rsou, who? or are you talking about day 1 also, because i definitely called someone mafia then... The mafia thing is during the night. The being upset thing when I call them mafia is during the game. Eden, JAT, marv, rs. But that has nothing to do with anything tbh. | ||
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Problem is that Eden looks town. So. I don't know anymore. | ||
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On March 12 2015 23:17 marvellosity wrote: i'm just waiting for the right case to sheep. it hasn't appeared yet. Who will present it? | ||
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i don't see anybody except rayn make a case that isn't about Damdred. So marv should. But he is waiting. And I don't know on who. | ||
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On March 12 2015 23:41 LightningStrike wrote: I not exactly a good case maker but I know how to find some Mafia myself >.> sure. but marv is talking about cases. | ||
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On March 12 2015 23:42 marvellosity wrote: you realise we are like 2 and a half days from next lynch, yes? I would like to know who is mafia as fast as possible. | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:52 Onegu wrote: Jeezus I'm like 50 pages behind. Sigh I'm reading/skimming the thread... @Marv who has the real Rayn soul read now? 100% > 95% I feel like Onegu shouldn't know that rayn is town if he is 50 pages behind. | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:56 LightningStrike wrote: I agree. Lynch Onegu tnext Day Phase then? well. I hope he will do stuff. | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is the fun part: Yes i have considered this. But if ritoky is town mafia does not need to push him, since i am/was being lynched. Why the fuck would mafia push ritoky when they could lynch me instead? So it is a null-tell, something you should think it is aswell given that you do not read me as mafia. I said she mimicked you. Look at timestamps. | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah so he clearly was not reading the thread at that time. What's the point? That his vote doesn't make him town? And the bolded is what you think. Not something you know. | ||
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On March 13 2015 02:24 Eden1892 wrote: wtf WHY I've asked this of you thrice now and you won't say 1) supertowny early game. See my previous post about it. 2) Good posts when rayn was attacking ls. Why would mafia do it? And why on that way. Drawing attention to him. 3) No overreaction or any other odd thing when rayn attacked him. rayn was aggressive towards him. He was aggressive towards rayn. 4) Good analysis after the vote. Got stuck with marv/onegu and somebody. It made all sense, he didn't skip any thought. 5) Last pages weren't over serious or something. It was just Damdred playing his game. | ||
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Give me some bullet points why rsoultin is town. Or Onegu? You can't. gg | ||
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It would be extremely good mafia play to do it without ever raising 1 red flag. Never tries to downplay anything. Just stands his ground. | ||
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And after his analysis went somewhat against marv. Albeit that was weaker. Unlike rsoultin who is just parroting things, not doing fuck all, not having found 1 mafia, not having found 1 reason why somebody would be mafia and then pressure it. She sees marv and Koshi in a fight. Tries to be the good girl but nowheres tries to pressure marv with Koshi even though she has a townread on Koshi and a scumread on marv. Nowhere you can see this shine through in the entire conversation yesterday. | ||
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Where did she do analysis? Where did she pressure people? Where did she have true genuine conversation with somebody? Look at how she reacts when I flip off marv and onto her. She is suddenly superdefensive and starts with the "Why is x a scumtell for me" and "Why can't you make a big case on me" and "demonstrate how I am not solving the game" I DO NOT HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE IT. IT IS OBVIOUS. She doesn't get any further than "I wouldn't mind a x lynch". Look at how she formulates her stance on a Palmar lynch. It is pure policy. Look at how she scumreads marv, there is nothing of value. Nothing. | ||
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rsoultin, it is on you to give ME SOMETHING and then I will re-evaluate. But at this moment you are fucking mafia by PoE. And you cant even give me somebody else to lynch. So I am just sitting on your head now till YOU GIVE ME A REASON NOT TO. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. ##vote: rsoultin | ||
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Then you look at the content of posts and Damdred his content is a fucking trillion times better than rsoultin. | ||
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On March 13 2015 03:53 Eden1892 wrote: So we're lynching Onegu then tomorrow? C'mon. I hear you in general, but productivity, though important, is far from the only measuring stick of a townie's worth. You know this. My vote is set in stone till she does something. | ||
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On March 13 2015 03:54 Eden1892 wrote: ![]() prove it. if nothing else, save me the trouble of convincing other people you aren't being unproductive THIS HOLD THIS THOUGHT EDEN. LET HER PROOF IT. | ||
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On March 13 2015 03:52 rsoultin wrote: Tbf eden sweetcheeks i did a shit ton more than you did ^^ town: On March 13 2015 04:33 Damdred wrote: I'm not going to say I've been this shining be on of towniness this game but content eise and what I've done is a lot above a good many people | ||
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Please. Please. Lynch marv after 2 town misslynches. | ||
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On March 13 2015 05:09 LightningStrike wrote: What makes you so certain that he's Mafia? I don't know about him. I can see him be mafia. But I don't know. I don't know anything this game except that rsoultin is the best shot on mafia and Damdred is town. But if marv survives 3 nights he is mafia. Please just lynch him. And spread the word. | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:09 marvellosity wrote: Like I do not know how anyone goes from directly calling someone mafia to saying he is town based on these posts and he does not know why people call him mafia. It makes no sense. Reading marv his filter. The only thing I see is Damdred being town. | ||
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You also might be alive for a long time. Make sure you lynch marv after 2 town lynches. No excuses. Just vote him. Spread teh word. | ||
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On March 13 2015 05:14 Koshi wrote: JAT/rsoultin/marv My best guess. Do not lynch Damdred D2 when I die. Just don't fucking do it. D3 he is free game. Lynch marv D4. Lynch FUCKING MARV D4. Consider strongly that rsoultin is mafia. | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:13 marvellosity wrote: LS literally just has a guaranteed win at endgame without making any sort of play. like 99% win. how? | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:15 marvellosity wrote: he's universally townread by everyone. and his main mafia flaw of not posting very much he's "fixed" for this game (in the hypothetical). why wouldn't he die? | ||
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ls is vigi it seems. | ||
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But then who got the bullet? Did Palmar get shot or did he deliver kill? | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:29 marvellosity wrote: wait on LS. But I need sleep................. | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:36 Eden1892 wrote: i thought i had an ok handle on this but now i don't is the argument that LS thinks palmar is mafia because LS blocked palmar (as jailer or rb) and palmar claimed a shot that went through? because if so, given that rb's aren't informed per the OP (i think), i see no reason why this incriminates palmar it just makes the shot hella weird Well. We believe there is a vigi and if LS rb'ed Palmar the scum nk is missing. | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:37 Eden1892 wrote: vet!ray got shot? (see marv theory) and why believe there's a vig if it's not palmar rsoultin fucking died? | ||
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Explain to me who shot rsoultin Palmar. | ||
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It's not that he is trolling. This is beyond that. This is mafia. | ||
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On March 13 2015 10:13 prplhz wrote: i am having massive problems with scum shooting rso. THIS | ||
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On March 13 2015 10:16 LightningStrike wrote: Let's see why would Mafia have a Godfather or a Framer if there is no Cop? Chances are very slim thus leaves us with the typical Roleblocker and 2 Goons setup we all familiar with. We lynch Palmar and if he comes back Town I'm fucked unless I found Mafia and roleblocked them from killing me. Or you get docsaved ![]() Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm I dnu. doc + rb seems a bit insane. | ||
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On March 13 2015 10:17 ritoky wrote: can someone explain the problems with mafia shooting rsoul to me like i am a toddler? rsoul was lynchable. And I read her filter and I don't got anytihng out it. I will read it again I guess. She says you are mafia. | ||
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marv could have done it purely to troll the living shit out of me. Palmar idk, he instantly had some fun with the shot though. That's why I am voting him. Like, maybe he hoped that we would believe a docsave happened and that we believe he is a vigi? Eden townread rsoultin but did he maybe blueread her? Ritoky? I dnu. prplhz? dnu why. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I am off to bed. | ||
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On March 09 2015 23:21 Holyflare wrote: A brief run down of rules not in the op (will probably update at some point): [*]Mafia kp is sent by a mafia player and can be roleblocked | ||
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On March 13 2015 10:37 ritoky wrote: still not getting why you're so miffed by this....could be a blue role hunt, could be to wifom bomb the thread, could be a lot of reasons. your reaction seems a little too dramatic ##unvote ##vote: ritoky ezgame ezlife get out. | ||
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Not the way you describe it. | ||
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Damdred is not mafia. Ritoky might be Palmar might be. | ||
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Damdred is not mafia. Ritoky might be Palmar might be. Onegu is as null as he was before | ||
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Marv says he is town. He also doesnt look harmful. I am feeling pretty confident about ritoky and palmar. Ritoky is pushing an agenda since he came back. Too much poe shizzle, too much hard townreads for no reason. It doesnt add up. And he made terrible posts yesterday. | ||
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On March 13 2015 18:08 ritoky wrote: rsoul just spent the entire game in down under mafia siding the entire way as town...you realize this right? Here you see ritoky pushing mafia agenda again. His mafia buddy is within the 3 other names. | ||
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The entire discussion after that in which rayn says mafia doesn't need to push ritoky because they are sitting on town!rayn DOES NOT make ritoky town. It just makes it that JAT said something really dumb to put his vote on his mafia buddy ![]() | ||
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ritoky bro. Once rsoultin flipped town you are already far from town hero. I said that line right after I entertained the idea that Eden + rsoultin were mafia. But now I got a strong townread on both (especially rsoultin) so you are far from the town hero. | ||
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On March 13 2015 18:28 ritoky wrote: I can't figure out right now if you're being terrible town or mafia who is angry that I plopped your meta into the thread. Regardless, townies should not listen to Koshi for the remainder of the game. Listen to me or onegu as #townhero. You didn't plop any of my meta in the thread. You just said something about somebody bussing. But I don't buss. Or rarely. Or not like this. But w.e. It doesn't matter, and what you say is bad. | ||
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On March 13 2015 18:29 Palmar wrote: I am okay with whatever you guys do as long as it's not lynching me. I'm basically up for lynching anyone else. ritoky bro. I feel very strong about him. | ||
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On March 13 2015 18:37 Palmar wrote: okay ##unvote ##vote ritoky we good? We good. Do you agree with what I say? | ||
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On March 13 2015 18:37 Palmar wrote: do I have to read it? Nha, rayn is better positioned. He probably remembers the entire thing. Did you read anything here from ritoky? It is off right? Around rsoultin. His reads. His PoE. | ||
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On March 13 2015 13:33 ritoky wrote: basically i think the following: i am confirmed VT, onegu is like 90% VT, LS is uncc'd PR, rayn claimed PR there's your town. koochi is probably town unless he lives too long, then he did the strat he did with slam that i mentioned earlier. someone should remember that post if i am not around. so the lynches should be between eden, damdred, marv, prp, and palmar there's 2 mafia in that group. i am reading damdred town for now...dunno he faded over the night phase for me, but not enough to be called scum. last time i saw palmar troll like this he was town, imagine he can do it as either alignment, so meh; w/e pass for today. lynch for today eden, marv, or prp. voila solved the day phase. This is bullshit. rayn read is bullshit. Onegu read is bullshit. (He should be lower, but you can't understand it because you are too much trying to push the idea you are both VT and both telling the truth, which is a bullshit idea to push) The warning on me is some serious bullshit. It is just a bunch of useless words in a sentence. And probably it is pushing mafia agenda because I am not a powerrole and I will survive a while. So you can flip on me in the future ezmode. damdred read is bullshit. Palmar read is bullshit. There is no marv read what so ever. Why? If you can go so fucking easily over Palmar trolling, why nothing on marv? On his filter. On anything. (tldr: more bullshit) Nothing is a legit read. You are mafia. inb4 if ritoky doesn't make sense he is town. | ||
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2) pushing the idea Koshi is mafia if he is alive for a long time, even though ritoky believes Koshi is town. 3) pushing the idea that rsoultin her reads were trash. Even though he didn't know why rsoultin nk was so outrageous. It's all pushing bullshit that he can't confirm and shouldn't be thinking. | ||
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On March 13 2015 18:54 ritoky wrote: rayn is an uncc'd PR who cc'd a mafia to get him lynched - town onegu has claimed VT in only games where he is town and doesn't claim VT in mafia games - town the warning on you is legitimate damdred and i soulread eachother, with literal 99% accuracy. go look it up palmar is read is kinda bullshit, but i treat it like it is bullshit. #dealwithit #toneread #diditlastgame marv read is poe all are legit. To me the marv PoE is more like. Well I gave some bullshit reads and these 3 are left so let's fucking call it a day and don't say anything about marv at all. To the other people: Unlike for example Damdred who had actual legit thought in his analysis. | ||
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On March 13 2015 19:00 ritoky wrote: because her reads are trash. ask yourself this, why would i kill her in this game when she is in another game in LYLO with me and i am mafia in that game considering this game's phase ends first? why would i want to give her more motivation to play and figure out the other game? Is this serious? Are you serious? | ||
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On March 13 2015 19:03 marvellosity wrote: is there a reason he should be? other than some sort of PoE? he has all these self-meta reasons that i'm leery of, but he's kinda right. I think of ritoky-scum tunnelling people really aggressively and with really bad reasons. Also town-ritoky does take some weird misplaced pride in being right about his reads on day 1. Could you be more wishy washy? Is he your mafia buddy? There is really nothing in that answer marv. Like nothing. Like. Nothing. | ||
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On March 13 2015 19:09 ritoky wrote: null leaning town was what i got from it. was unclear. Ok. But you weren't right on your reads D1 because you said rsoultin was town. So why is marv using that as a townread then? | ||
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On March 13 2015 19:14 ritoky wrote: if i said rsoul was town then i was right? but i don't think i made that read? pretty sure my only 2 reads day 1 were damdred is town and palmar is town. eden and JAT even kept trying to make me give more reads and i refused. You said rsoultin and Eden were mafia. D1. | ||
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On March 13 2015 19:22 ritoky wrote: i sheeped onto a mafia lynch day 1 though, guess i shouldn't beat myself up too much over it yes 5 mins before deadline. rofl. Stop bullshitting. | ||
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##vote: marvellosity Apparently nobody is scum. So this guy is. | ||
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On March 13 2015 19:33 Onegu wrote: WTF are you doing. Vote me if you want to kill town Koshi at least marv will figure the game out... I can't really read another 36 pages of marv dribble before he figures anything out though. | ||
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On March 13 2015 20:02 Eden1892 wrote: Koshi check the differences in his questioning here vs Student VI and tell me you don't see something to it please. All I heard was ritoky and Onegu boohooing it for no real reason. + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2015 13:32 Eden1892 wrote: You haven't tried to figure out what I'm doing at all. Here is the comprehensive list of questions you've asked me since you started calling my play weird during n1 and before the post you just replied to: You are not trying to figure out what I'm doing. Don't even try to act like it. This is what you look like when you have someone you think is suspicious and you're trying to figure out what they're doing: Look at the questions you've asked me since your analysis. Compare them to the questions you've asked Artanis since your analysis. How can you honestly say that you're trying to figure me out with anywhere near the same rigor as you were in that game? hmm yeah. He is more asking advice and values other people their opinion. While he looks angry at you. Might be atmosphere. I will not vote Damdred ever. | ||
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On March 13 2015 20:07 Eden1892 wrote: like i hate to be rolefishing koshi but if you and damdred are masons it would be awesome if you could just say that so i could get off mr. bones wild ride We are not. | ||
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Marv is pretty good at scum and saw it coming. Lynch with fire. | ||
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On March 13 2015 20:12 Eden1892 wrote: ok awesome why did it seem like you mostly agreed with me that damdred's questioning this game is noticeably different / less effective / less existent than student vi but then say you never lynch damdred ![]() I won't. I believe it is Palmar/Onegu/ritoky. But never Damdred. | ||
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On March 13 2015 20:15 marvellosity wrote: Eden: here's a clue, there are 9 other people in the game you could talk to Damdred about and who to persuade. Here is a list of people you should not bother with: Koshi Pros like myself will tunnel hard, develop a case, force mistakes, and be right and crush scum like yourself who deserve to be crushed like the flies you are. What's the matter? Worried bout getting lynched? | ||
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Why? He PoE'd 3 people with you in them. So if you are town it is easy. Especially with the 3 townreads. lol | ||
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On March 13 2015 19:32 marvellosity wrote: I just don't understand why people like Koshi attack me, seemingly every game, for making reads exactly like I always do as town. Like 2 years ago DP went through a phase of casing me on consecutive towngames for making non-committal reads. Last game part of Eden's case on me was that I made non-committal, non-certain reads (he used my read on HF as an example). Like *this is what I do*. If I don't know, if I'm not certain, then I'll try to explain why to a degree. In this case it is "I don't really see what ritoky has done this game is town, but the meta things I think about point to town". Or with rsoultin it is "yes I agree she's not solving the game how i expect, but her tone is very different to her mafia game" I made this post: On March 13 2015 19:36 Koshi wrote: Marv is 100% confirmed mafia. 1) He is making non-committal reads. And you didn't seem to get the sarcasm so I made this post: On March 13 2015 19:51 Koshi wrote: Look at how marv is not- committal in his read on me. When marv is non-committal he is mafia. Lynch with fire. And still you didn't seem to catch it so I made this post: On March 13 2015 20:01 Koshi wrote: The only people who would kill rsoultin are: Onegu who rng'ed it. ritoky because clearly he was surprised about the commotion. Palmar because he let either Onegu or ritoky do it. Marv because he is non committal this entire game. Now I thought the last one was very obvious but because you didn't seem to get it I made this post. I mean if I use the exact same words as BH marv would get it right?: On March 13 2015 20:08 Koshi wrote: marv is just being extremely non committal this game because I am onto him. He is pretending to be non committal because I set the bar this high. He is pretending to look like his town meta because he is mafia. He is overdoing it. Lynch marv with fire. And then some improv, quite nicely done: On March 13 2015 20:12 Koshi wrote: Look at marv. He started this "BH trap" nonsense in the start of the game just because he knew that he was going to play extra not-commital this game and people would call him out on it. Marv is pretty good at scum and saw it coming. Lynch with fire. Literal quote from Area mafia game: On March 13 2015 20:46 Koshi wrote: Pros like myself will tunnel hard, develop a case, force mistakes, and be right and crush scum like yourself who deserve to be crushed like the flies you are. What's the matter? Worried bout getting lynched? I also had a good one ready with strains and making a rope but nobody was here to vote you. | ||
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I cannot tell you why ritoky and Palmar are town. I cannot give you 1 reason. Maybe Palmar for some early game comments. But I wouldn't not lynch him for it. I believe Eden to be town. I am quite sure of it. I believe Damdred to be town. I am quite sure of it. I have posted many posts on why. I believe rayn to be town. Him going awol is not alignment indicative. Him pushing JAT like that is. Him saying rsoultin is town for following his own train of thought is probably also pretty town from him. Like... He could be mafia because he is rayn. But he is most likely town. | ||
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On March 13 2015 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am home. Gimme 15min to shower i have something interesting to say. THANK JEEBUS YOU ARE HERE | ||
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On March 13 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote: Don't ignore stuff I wrote. you/people need to engage it. plz. I agree. I am telling you he is mafia. There is no logical reason behind his posts. It is just meta that makes him town. | ||
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What Palmar said about Eden and how Eden started to doubt things around the nk really fast is kinda odd. You might want to read all the posts right after day 2 posts from Eden. It is somewhat strange. Maybe not though. But I found it odd when I reread it. | ||
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On March 13 2015 23:56 Koshi wrote: marvellosity, What Palmar said about Eden and how Eden started to doubt things around the nk really fast is kinda odd. You might want to read all the posts right after day 2 posts from Eden. It is somewhat strange. Maybe not though. But I found it odd when I reread it. To extend on this. Palmar claims vig. Eden calls rsoultin top town and ignores Palmar for shooting her. Eden votes Damdred. . . Nothing really happens, only a couple random posts from people. . . Eden start doubting the mechanics behind the shot etc etc. odd? | ||
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On March 13 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote: also that stuff on prplhz ^^^ that is for anyone, not just Palmar. Please tell me why I am wrong about it. nha prplhz is town. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: So here is what happened on D2, at the beginning: Palmar claims vigi shot on rsoultin. Eden immediately votes for Palmar. This doesn't make any fucking sense unless he knows Palmar did not in fact shoot rsoultin, which makes him mafia most likely. Also look at this: HOW ON EARTH DOES EDEN KNOW THERE IS A DOC WHO WAS ROLEBLOCKED? Eden did you roleblock me? ![]() ##vote Eden Ohhh. I missed the vote on Palmar. Eden voted Palmar because he should rsoultin. But then he instantly went to Damdred. That part looks clean. | ||
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On March 13 2015 18:28 Koshi wrote: JAT voting ritoky was indeed completely off. Nobody is voting ritoky so he is mafia? The entire discussion after that in which rayn says mafia doesn't need to push ritoky because they are sitting on town!rayn DOES NOT make ritoky town. It just makes it that JAT said something really dumb to put his vote on his mafia buddy ![]() Don't you think there is a chance JAT went to scum!ritoky with such a weak reason because he knew ritoky was mafia and didn't think he would get pressure for doing something "right". | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would JAT go after ritoky with "such weak reasoning" in the first place? I had made my case already and it was sheeped. If he doesn't lynch town then he gets lynched. Or if he lynches ritoky mafia gets lynched anyways. Do you think JAT "gave up" on lynching town and just wanted to make ritoky/(himself) good after lynch? Notice that ritoky was at some point (unless i misremember) 4-4 in votes with JAT. Nha ritoky never had more than 2 votes. JAT and prplhz I think. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let me go check, i am pretty sure he was at least on 3 votes when i started yelling to Eden(?) to lynch JAT. ohyeah. Eden was 3. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay you are right Koshi. There were no more than 2 votes on ritoky. JAT and Eden. But people were considering lynching ritoky. Also this post came somewhere around there: Eden's townread has made a good case on JAT. Eden wants to lynch ritoky with JAT. For these reasons? ![]() Eden is not mafia. I don't believe it anymore. | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:48 Holyflare wrote: ![]() ![]() + Show Spoiler [text version] + Eden1892 (1): ritoky justanothertownie (4): Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Eden1892, Lightningstrike raynpelikoneet (3): prplhz, damdred, marvellosity marvellosity (1): Palmar ritoky (2): rsoultin, justanothertownie Not Voting (1): onegu Currently justanothertownie is set to be lynched. Vote counts are also at the top of the op for convenience sake. As a note, you can press the "quick filter link" button on the op and it takes you straight to the filters, there is also a "back to top" button to return to the top of the op Looking at this. Knowing JAT is mafia. If we assume that rayn is town. Why are scum JAT and scum Eden on ritoky? | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: So who do they vote? The votes on marv are obviously going to go away. lol, just look at Palmar's vote and ritoky was just sheeping. Eden townreads me HC at that point. JAT has just argued with marv that "what rayn did is not scummy". Again, where do they vote? Which wagon? ... Serious ? ... Really? ... | ||
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##vote raynpelikoneet Calls ritoky town for no reason. So I can't vote for ritoky. If you have good reasons why ritoky is town we can vote somebody else. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:52 LightningStrike wrote: Ugh Koshi why are you voting the Doctor? Your only ability is to stop Framers and NK. There isn't going to be a doc AND a rb in a mini. NEVER EVER | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are really fucking dumb now Koshi so i am going to just ignore you. If me and marv ignore you it should tell you something. Are you veteran? Yes or no? | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, you. for reals marv. how is that not calling me town? He is mafia. His point is: I am town and I am being lynched. mafia must be afk and laughning their ass off. Look at these names being afk: x y z | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: And you are voting me because you think ritoky is mafia and i make sense with ritoky as mafia. Good logic Koshi. Nope. I don't think ritoky is mafia anymore. You convinced me. | ||
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On March 14 2015 00:57 LightningStrike wrote: Okay maybe I need to learn how to balance then. Okay we might actually got a Cop or some shit that aint a Doctor with me as a roleblocker. ##Unvote ##Vote: raynpelikoneet Hmm we are a bit low on the blue count indeed. | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:07 Eden1892 wrote: yeah wait hold up a sec. why was there 1 death? if mafia have rb they rb ray and shoot someone. if mafia don't have rb they shoot ray wtf On March 13 2015 07:09 Eden1892 wrote: something seriously isn't right here. if mafia has rb then maybe they don't shoot ray, but they rb him, which means unless mafia and vig both shot rso then there's a vet? but then we have vig, vet, doc. i don't believe that for an instant if palmar lied and there isn't a vig then we just have to have a doc who was rb'd, which... is sorta ok? but then why was rso shot This is actually pretty logical. It isn't a slip or anything. | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:20 marvellosity wrote: I think we should just all agree that I have been megatown the last few hours and call it a day. Why is your vote on town ritoky? | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like, LightningStrike, what i am does not help you in any way in this course at this point. It might come handy later on and i WILL claim my role if i need to. There is zero need now. Nha do it now. Is it veteran or vt or something else special? | ||
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If rayn isn't one of you and he has a role he is 100% certain veteran. I realize you guys know this. But it seems like rayn doesn't get it yet. So could you please reply to this message and tell me you heard me loud and clear. | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:40 marvellosity wrote: nope Cop/doctor/rb is fine for 9-3 mafia have 3:1 winrate in 9-3 games. RBer is a pretty weak role. You are insane. | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is mafia does not know if i am or if i am not.. Yet you want me to spell it out for them. Fine you fucker. I am not a veteran. Hello Mafia team, rayn is cop or still veteran. If you have a framer or gf you might want to shoot him or gamble. | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:43 marvellosity wrote: 3:1 winrate for mafia in 12 minis doc/rb is weak. Your stats have no back up. I asked about the games. They haven't been played in the last 2 years. Last game we won 9 vs 3. Maybe it is from 2012 when hosts didn't understand town needs a protective role in 9 vs 3. I saw the roles in that Area game. Dafuq was that. | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden why did you vote for Palmar at the start of D2? Because he shot rsoultin. Let me just answer because I am quicker and it is obvious. | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:36 LightningStrike wrote: TBH why would Mafia kill a power role if they got a roleblocker to just roleblock them? Unless we got into LYLO or MYLO power roles are generally just get roleblocked if the Mafia team got a roleblocker. So they can block other powerroles in the future. +confirmed townies are bad for mafia. Especially when they lynch mafia d1. | ||
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Vote the mafia. | ||
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On March 14 2015 02:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was never a doctor you dumbass. I KNOW BUT WHY ARE YOU KEEPING THIS SHIT UP AS VT??????????? EVEN WITH A TOWN RB. | ||
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On March 14 2015 04:17 ritoky wrote: honestly not really reading very much of the thread after every1 said i am mafia, like i have said multiple times. i think the town needs to lynch me here to see me flip town and realize how wrong they are. the incorrect people are being listened to for the wrong reasons. onegu and i seem to be the only ones who are seeing the game with any clarity. I agree. Obviously both players who havent read anything have clarity. | ||
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On March 14 2015 08:11 Damdred wrote: Koshi am I crazy for thinking the way Rayn is acting is scummy it might be. He said a lot of dumb shit. Around the claims. and around Eden especially. But maybe he is town making mistakes. I don't know if he is scum making these kinda mistakes. The most incriminating thing about rayn is that mafia didn't jump on him. I am looking at the votes and if ritoky is mafia. Why didn't they save JAT by killing rayn? Scared? Not good enough? And maybe also the fact he didn't die. How didn't rayn die when he was pretty obvious the doc? Or had a high chance of being doc? I don't know. marv decides this lynch today. I am spending another day pondering if he could be mafia. | ||
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I dont want to lynch damdred, eden, marv, ls I dont know about prplhz but meta is believable. I guess Palmar can stay alive through the weekend. I dont know about Onegu and I cba about his meta. I think rayn has a good chance to flip scum. I can't give a number. I think ritoky has 50% odds to flip scum. | ||
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I guess veteran kinda possibly fucks with the idea behind it. But how people can think doc/rb is ever balanced.... Seriously Marv can enter the bh club himself thinking doc/rb/cop is balanced. | ||
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On March 15 2015 00:46 marvellosity wrote: better than any you have dear What a douche. Damdred is 100% more towny than you this game. | ||
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Nope. It is obvious. Both statements. | ||
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On March 15 2015 03:30 prplhz wrote: what do people think about ritoky budding so much with onegu? that seems weird for scum to do to each other. #yolo | ||
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1) non commital reads 2) total apathy towards this game | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:42 marvellosity wrote: Great game in IEM btw. Go Dark! | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:44 Damdred wrote: anyway i'm spending the next bit raiding and then looking at why people voted for jat see if I can find a bus jjust wait on the ritoky flip. And then pressure Onegu into ffing. | ||
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On March 15 2015 09:34 Damdred wrote: Kochi, why were you ok to believe Jat was the medic? Like so ok you invited and element to Rayn I believe before Rayn fake claimed? Since your vet you should of known jats claim was fake instantly so why did you move doc/vet could be balanced. Because it just ensures a 4th lynch. Or makes it very probable. rayn wasn't believable after RB claim and him not dieing. And him waffling around. | ||
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On March 15 2015 20:31 marvellosity wrote: I dnu why damdred question koshi. if koshi is mafia we're fucked anyway. tbh at this stage i can be wrong on several people with 2 mafia left. so i follow you guys on to palmar. ......................... So mafia. ......................... I want to remind everybody that this guy needs to be lynched if we mislynch tomorrow. I don't care. Just kill him. | ||
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On March 15 2015 22:17 LightningStrike wrote: If Marv is not mafia why we lynch him then? I said marv is mafia the day after tomorrow. Or we can lynch him tomorrow if you like. Doesn't matter too much to me. | ||
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On March 15 2015 23:26 Damdred wrote: Marv likes people who say smart things, I noticed something smart marv reacts badly. If I were cop I'd visit marv obviously We just lynch him. | ||
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On March 16 2015 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: for the record i hope zest wins just because trap murdered dark. this | ||
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On March 16 2015 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am thinking of putting Eden to "players never to play with again" list if he is town in this game. Why? | ||
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On March 16 2015 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: because he is like supersoft. much words with nothing in those words. Not really. He has given way more content than you. Way fucking more content. I am not kidding. Eden has provided a lot of real content. He is right under Damdred. | ||
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On March 16 2015 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: hahahah. gj koshi. ok guess you are mafia. If you aren't it is marv / Palmar. But I guess it is rayn / Palmar. | ||
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Ls Damdred Eden Probably town: Onegu Dnu: prplhz Possible mafia: rayn Palmar marv Seriously. Lynch Palmar and marv. | ||
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On March 16 2015 08:49 Eden1892 wrote: Bruh the n1 kill. The one that Palmar cited lol ah. I don't read anything Palmar got to say. He is mafia. | ||
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On March 16 2015 08:07 marvellosity wrote: that goes for you koshi. you call me mafia when i display none of my mafia traits and all of my townie traits. I literally don't understand! I don't get how it's possible that you can think I'm mafia Koshi, I don't understand what changed. The same happened in Horn, I got suspicion from everywhere once Eden made his case, and it was completely confounding. Quickly on this. Ritoky also made a giant towncase on himself It just doesn't work like that. Yes. I can see you as town. But I see people like Damdred/Eden and yesterday LS stronger as town. I don't know why. I just do. So my options are limited. | ||
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Why is Palmar voting for Onegu because Onegu wants to lynch him? I want to lynch Palmar. marv wouldn't mind lynching Palmar. Yet Palmar votes Onegu for the total of 3 seconds. Palmar. Get your act together. | ||
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On March 16 2015 19:20 Palmar wrote: Here's a thought I'm going to pitch you. If you think there's any chance prplhz is mafia, we should not lynch prplhz. This may sound insane, but listen. Marv's townread on prplhz is unwavering and beyond questioning. It's actually a pretty unusual marv read because he is so certain. Normally he's like me and hedges his bets back and forth. While marv is surprisingly often wrong he's almost never completely bonkers wrong. Basically my thought process is this: This is the hardest townread that I haven't completely agreed with that I have seen from marv in my memory. If marv is town I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's right. And if he's mafia it doesn't matter if prplhz is town or mafia because we could just lynch marv. If you want prplhz, you first have to figure out marv. If Palmar is voting prplhz now. Does this means he figured out marv and came to the conclusion marv is mafia? Or did he came to the conclusion marv is town and retarded? Even though this entire post from Palmar let shine through that Palmar is willing to sheep town marv on prplhz. | ||
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On March 16 2015 19:33 marvellosity wrote: then lynch Palmar. I will literally start giving you reasons rayn can be town. 1. his case on jat 2. his fakeclaim 3. jat took the time to deconstruct my case on him point by point, which is more likely if rayn is town I am sheeping you. | ||
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On March 16 2015 18:45 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote Onegu For wanting to lynch me without having a reason to do so. hahahaha. Palmar his entire game has been lynching without reason. I should not read this thread. glhf. | ||
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On March 16 2015 19:44 Palmar wrote: Koshi do you want to actually engage? I can just ignore you if you don't want to as I intend to be productive, but I cba talking with you if you're going to read everything I say through scum-tinted glasses. I do not want to engage. I just want to point out that you said you would do your best today and now I see some dumb lazy vote on Onegu that is worth next to nothing and then some vote on prplhz who you call town. And then when asked about it you post 2 comments that show that prplhz had a bad read on JAT. Problem being, why do I need to ask you, why are they not presented while voting for prplhz? And let's say Damdred was mafia and we lynched him D2. You could do the exact same thing for me. Why would it make me mafia except for me being wrong? Why was it too early for prplhz to defend JAT? Why was it not town prplhz being interested about the lynch? Isn't it a townie thing to be around after you say you want to leave? Hmm? PS: my early read on JAT was totally legit. | ||
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On March 16 2015 19:52 Onegu wrote: Man marineking you suck. Maybe if you go harass with your ducking hellions you'd see 100 banelings and zerglings about to wreck you and react to it. BLASPHEMY MarineKing is a hero. | ||
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cuz that never gets old bzzz bzzz bzzz I R LAZER bzzz bzzz bzzz | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:29 Koshi wrote: This entire game Palmar is saying how scum rayn is and how semi town Damdred. Now we are voting rayn Palmar isn't saying anything about Damdred and is suddenly doubting his townread on Damdred into a BIGGER townread on Damdred. Useful. This entire game Palmar is saying how scum rayn is and how semi town Damdred. Now we are voting rayn Palmar isn't saying anything about rayn and is suddenly doubting his townread on Damdred into a BIGGER townread on Damdred. Useful. | ||
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##vote Palmar I sheep marv in saying we should vote who we want to kill. | ||
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I suffered from the same flow of thought as prplhz on Onegu his VT claim after ritoky flipped VT. I don't know why but before the flip I could see them both as mafia, and now after the flip I suddenly put faith in the Onegu VT claim. I don't know why. I just read Eden his bullshit "PoE" himself crap and don't want to post any further. The PoE himself argument is some of the most retarded reasons to call people mafia. I never ever put myself into listposts or PoE or w.e. Who the fuck does that? | ||
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On March 17 2015 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar has been one of the most productive guys on this day phase. We are not lynching Palmar at least at this point. Sure. I like how he says you are mafia and then when we are talking about you he is investigating how Damdred became more town. Really productive. | ||
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Really. Kill Palmar. Onegu? Why? | ||
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He is more involved I feel like. In what game was Onegu nightkilled as blue recently? | ||
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Town Onegu 3 days alive. | ||
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Scum Onegu 4 days alive. haha | ||
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Show me anywhere he is figuring out the game. Anything. Special. | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:22 Palmar wrote: Like even if you are absolutely convinced I am mafia Koshi it's terrible play to not engage just in the off chance that I happen to be town, which of course I am. You're awful. Stop the insulting then you retard. | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:24 Koshi wrote: Ok I read Palmar his latest 4 pages. Show me anywhere he is figuring out the game. Anything. Special. And do not show me a single thought he had. Show me how he evolves the rayn scumread into the night. Into the marv + somebody read before deadline. Into Onegu for no reason. Into prplhz for no reason. Into rayn for no reason. Into who is he atm on? Now show me the thoughtprocess of Palmar solving the game between all these points. The PoE. The reasoning. Something? | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:30 Palmar wrote: Well I did ask you quite politely to actually do shit today. You have no good reason to think I'm mafia, you've just randomly decided it based on butterflies and rainbows. Well butterflies and rainbows are townie things. NEWSFLASH: Koshi did things D1. Palmar did nothing. Palmar promised to do things D3. Palmar does nothing. Palmar asks Koshi to do things politely. | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:32 Palmar wrote: There is plenty left in the day and I'm not quite sure. But I have, yes, been trying to figure out the game. If you don't believe me go back and read the fucking million times this exact situation has unfolded before. What are you saying? I don't understand it. Are you saying you did the exact same thing during D1 and D2? | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:33 Palmar wrote: Don't pat yourself too much on the back. I didn't even know you were behind the JAT push when I voted him, I already knew he was mafia and had said so several times. Was this when you asked somebody you knew wasn't going to vote JAT and sheeped him OFF JAT? | ||
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If somebody can point out what Palmar is trying to tell me let me know. I can't talk to this guy when he is rambling about nothing. | ||
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On March 13 2015 23:50 Palmar wrote: By the way, because I'm all in contemplative serious mode right now. Despite all my votes all around, this is my list from towniest to mafia. LS Koshi marv Eden ritoky Damdred onegu prplhz rayn Just read palmar is his filter from this post (page 13) till now and tell me he is legit looking for mafia. Or has any hard read on anybody, like a townie who actually figures a game out. Because Palmar got a lot of posts since then, and a lot are trying to figure the game out, but is he really? You have to know that Palmar stopped trolling on page 13. So this is game face Palmar: 1) This list. 2) Case on rayn. 2) into ritoky is a fine lynch. + vote 3) Into rayn is a fine lynch + vote. (But 0 reasons why ritoky is a bad lynch) 4) Into marv + somebody is mafia. (Where is rayn?) 5) marv case 6) Onegu vote 7) prplhz is mafia if marv is mafia. 8) marv is town into prplhz vote 9) Into marv, Eden, rayn and Onegu are mafia. (yes, prplhz is town now) 10) vote for rayn 11) A lot of nothing tbh Ok. Now show me how this is town Palmar? Or show me this is a townie figuring out the game? Sure, townies jump around in early gme, without much to go on. But Palmar goes 180 all the time D3? Show me where he does this as town. It wasn't that newbie he replaced in recently. I don't any other games atm. But maybe marv can help? Or anybody? It's important you show me where he does it as town, and not that he doesn't do it as mafia. Because this behavior (aka having no real reads D3) is in nature mafia. | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:58 Palmar wrote: Well it's an improvement but not exactly what I was hoping for. Can we discuss marv, are we sure he is not mafia? Did marv discuss prplhz except meta? | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:05 Palmar wrote: Yes, he didn't really use much meta reasons to confirm him, although marv did focus on "the wrong" aspects of what I was pointing out. He talked specifically about prplhz going out of his way to show that JAT doesn't throw around townreads when he's town. I think there was at least one other reason in there but I can't recall without going checking. ohyeah I remember now. | ||
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##vote prplhz Eden is right about his scumread. Doesn't appear to have a clue. Talk during the night is really off. Scum rb + cop? Dafuq? Where does he got that? | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who cares about the information? Which one is scummier? Koshi PLEASE? prplhz | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:20 prplhz wrote: so what happens when i flip town? N3 | ||
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On March 17 2015 20:35 marvellosity wrote: I would not be upset if you all lynched prplhz. I get to have my either or win again: 1. he is town, i can feel smug 2. he is mafia, he flipped mafia Good on you taking this stance on 2 different people and not taking a stance on 2 others in a game in which max 4 people can be scum. I will just afk vote you tomorrow btw. If we lose then, I will feel smug. | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:16 Palmar wrote: I mostly didn't townread prplhz for his filter, it's quite bad in places. I just thought that his reaction to me calling him mafia today was kind of okay, he seemed genuinely frustrated with me. Also he did go find a comparison for JAT to another game to show JAT was doing mafia things. Ignoring the validity of the meta, putting in that work is arguably townie. prplhz did 2 townie things on Day 1. Nobody gives a fuck anymore. Reading him town for that is EXTREMELY SCUMMY or fucking dumb. Like somebody pointed out prplhz made some really strange defending posts around JAT just as well. So that counters that townie thing. prplhz is the best lynch if we don't want to lynch marv. 100% certain. Onegu looks pretty town tbh. Looks like he solved the game to a point he can't anymore. And it looks legit. | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:22 marvellosity wrote: although I think his rayn-read would count as trying to make himself look good. but i possibly agree with the bit in the post above No it isn't. He does it as town always. always. It has nothing to do with being mafia. | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:23 Palmar wrote: Also marv's townread is kind of why I don't wanna lynch prplhz. While I may have overestimated the strength of that read, there is almost no way I can believe there exists a scenario where prplhz is mafia and marv town, so by definition it's better to kill marv first. You are a dumbass. Because marv his read on ritoky was 100% as well right????????????????? marv can be wrong on a townread as town. What? He is only right on fucking townreads and could be wrong on scumreads? Go away. | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote: at least 3 people in the game have mentioned how Onegu's rayn-read is weird in certain respects koshi YES IT IS WEIRD. NOW WHY IS IT MAFIA IF HE DOES IT ALL THE TIME AS TOWN?????? WEIRD = MAFIA??????????? | ||
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Guess it makes you mafia!!!! | ||
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I think that is weird. FUCK ONEGU IS MAFIA!!!!! | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:27 marvellosity wrote: the argument is that his rayn read does not look like how he normally brings his rayn soul read. Show me | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:37 marvellosity wrote: Like, in this game he went "rayn is definitely town" ----> reasons much later Palmar pointed out the reasons he gave later didn't exist in the first place when he said it, also me and rayn pointed out the way he listed things did not make out his town game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477307-slytherin-mini-mafia?user=Onegu&view=all ctrl-f "rayn" - Onegu does not immediately go for rayn soul-read with certainty, he actually converses a lot with rayn first, and even questions someone else's townread on rayn: + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2015 06:10 Onegu wrote: Also why is Rayn a easy town read this early his first post in fantasy football was slam is town... tldr: this game, hard townread -> reasons later that game, says he can read rayn -> interacts with rayn -> interacts with others about rayn -> gives reasons for townread So this time Onegu made his read like a townie would?? And that's suspicious? | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not going to switch my vote unless something drastic happens. Yes, because that will happen if you are wrong. | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:49 marvellosity wrote: can you at least talk to koshi about why he thinks onegu is town? No. That would actually involve looking at Onegu and prplhz their filters besides D1. | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:57 Koshi wrote: So this time Onegu made his read like a townie would?? And that's suspicious? WAIT. Let me look it up. I always thought Onegu instantly gave reasons for his townread on rayn. | ||
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On March 11 2015 08:44 Onegu wrote: Claimed VT. I'm not scum... can't you people read? I don't lie as scum... Also I'm not blue this game... Also I have this formula that I can't talk about because it was created in a ongoing game, but it has to do.with the amount of said chupazi, svengali, and HIJOLE slam says. And since I'm on page like 30 something and he hasn't said those words yet slam is scum. Also Rayn soul read incoming. Onegu gives reasons why he reads rayn town. No more interaction is needed in his opinion: On March 11 2015 08:57 Onegu wrote: I never really read just kinda skimp but anywhos will read your post.on what was going on with the Rayn Damdred thing and after kinda skimming your post still didn't get it. BUT HERE IS THE 100% Rayn SOUL READ. Give random person town read with little reason. Check Call random person scum then realize something was off and change read. Check Tunnel random person for reason that makes little to no sense. Check Angry at person he is tunneling. Check. Ignore most everything else. Check Rayn 100% town. Thank me later. | ||
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On March 17 2015 21:59 marvellosity wrote: that's not what i said? did you read what i wrote? he was town in slytherin and approached the read totally differently? I switched it around because I thought that Onegu gave reasoning for reading rayn town when he did. But apparently you feel to lie how Onegu reads rayn town this game: tldr: this game, hard townread -> reasons later 100% lie. | ||
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Facts in this thread: 1) It is fucking day 3 2) Both rayn and marvellosity are lieing about Onegu his read on rayn and getting Onegu lynched for their own made up lie. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know, about a day before that read he says this: Does it look like he does not have a townread on me? No, i also do all those things as mafia as someone already said. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A JOKE FOR ALL I CARE. OR SOME INTERACTION. THAT IS NOT A TOWNREAD. THAT IS FUCKING NOTHING. RAYN IS FUCKING MAFIA AND MARV IS FUCKING MAFIA. FUCKING MAFIA. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:51 Onegu wrote: @ Rayn. Who is scum so I can sheep you? @ Marv you don't get sheeped because you called me stupid @ Koshi you don't get sheeped because you are scum LOOK AT THIS SUPER SERIOUS POST BY ONEGU GUYS OBVIOUS RAYN HARD TOWNREAD | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then what does the post in your opinion say? Nothing? It is a fucking joke. He is interacting with the thread. Just looking what the fuck is going on. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi i understand you think Onegu is town because his reads align with yours more than other people's do. But you can't just levae out the fact you could be wrong here. Can you answer me this: You say Onegu is town and push some people. Other people push Onegu. Who do you think he buddies up to readwise in this situation as mafia? Day 3? He isn't buddying anybody. He is telling you how he sees it. He isn't buddying me at all. He calls Palmar, prlhz and Eden mafia. He has reasons to call others town. It is in his filter. It aren't refined reads, he doesn't put a shitton of work in. But to lynch him because he townread you and doesn't give reasons is FUCKING BULLSHIT AND A STRAIGHT UP LIE. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:51 Onegu wrote: @ Rayn. Who is scum so I can sheep you? @ Marv you don't get sheeped because you called me stupid @ Koshi you don't get sheeped because you are scum This is not a townread. Never ever fucking ever. This is fooling around. Could he do that as mafia? Sure. Could he do it as town. Sure. But is this a 100% townread on rayn? NO FUCKING WAY IN HELL. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:16 marvellosity wrote: in all seriousness, Koshi, does the way he approached rayn this game look like Slytherin? Did you look? If yes, can you just explain briefly why? No I can't. I cannot do anything that originated on you telling me that Onegu hard townread rayn and never gave reasons WHEN THE REASONS ARE IN THE SAME FUCKING POST. And if I would go to slytherin and I see that Onegu interacts with rayn before 50 pages in the thread and a read on rayn would be very hard to make I am going to vote you till the fucking end of time because you are either fucking bad and deserves to be lynched as town or you are mafia. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course he is buddying if he is mafia. Why the fuck is he not buddying me? I am the one he should convince and probably WOULD try to convince if he was town. I am not saying he didn't give reasons. I am saying his reasoning seems forced. So are you saying he would buddy if he is mafia? But only as town he would buddy you. So because he is mafia this game and obvious buddying but not buddying you he is mafia. Ok rayn. I got it! | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:19 marvellosity wrote: This game Guilty Mafia Koshi, are these 2 the same? Only 10 months between these games. Maybe Onegu his personality changed he and takes a bit more ludicrous approach to reading rayn. BUT NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT DAY 1. LOOK AT DAY AND 3. Onegu: not hiding prplhz: hiding | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:27 marvellosity wrote: fine, if your argument rests on "onegu became more ludicrous" then i guess that really is it. if you can convince rayn to switch, i will switch with him. rayn thinks prplhz is mafia too so i don't see why we cannot lynch prplhz. Yes. downplay my reasoning that 10 months ago is too long to expect an EXACT FUCKING COPY of how to read somebody town. But TELL 100% STRAIGHT UP LIES to get Onegu lynched is all fine and dandy On March 17 2015 21:37 marvellosity wrote: tldr: this game, hard townread -> reasons later that game, says he can read rayn -> interacts with rayn -> interacts with others about rayn -> gives reasons for townread Fucking 100% lie. 100% bullshit lie. | ||
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The game marv just read to proof Onegu reads rayn a certain way: On August 23 2014 20:45 Onegu wrote: I will read rayn as I am confident in my ability to read him. Also will read one of your grey followed by the thread as a whole. . . 0 fucking interactions between rayn and Onegu. . . On August 23 2014 21:01 Onegu wrote: Yeah rayn Im reading you scum this game buddy, here is why. Normally you will be like scum rayn doesnt do this, scum rayn never does that. This game you are posting specific reasons to read you. I saw it on page 51 that I just pointed out and page 2 of your filter. SPOILER: rayn was town | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know what you are trying to say? Ok so this is how it goes. 1) marv uses a lie and say Onegu is mafia because he townreads you without reasons. 2) Koshi says marv is an idiot and a liar. 3) marv changes his reasoning and say Onegu is mafia because he interacts with rayn and then calls him town. 4) rayn says that isn't always the case and in that game they were masons. 5) marv changes his reasoning and says that in Guilty mafia Onegu reads rayn a certain way and doesn't do it the same way here, hence Onegu is mafia. 6) Koshi points out marv ignored the fact Onegu was wrong in Guilty mafia (so why would he continue reading rayn like that) and that Onegu didn't interact with rayn at all. (so marv his previous accusation that Onegu is mafia because he doesn't interact with rayn is wrong) tldr: marv keeps piling up the lies to call Onegu mafia. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:39 marvellosity wrote: i am just sheeping rayn MARV ABANDONS USING FALSE REASONING AND GOES SIT IN RAYN HIS ASS EVEN THOUGH THE MAIN REASON RAYN CALLED ONEGU MAFIA WAS DEBUNKED | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:41 marvellosity wrote: i said right from the start i was just sheeping rayn. this isn't a new secret Sure. While inserting lie after lie in the thread. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: The bolded part is the important here. It does not even matter if Onegu reads me town or mafia in that game. It matters that Onegu reads me in certain way which is what that read represents, which is not what this game's read represents. Which certain way? The way Onegu reads you is how he presented it in this thread. And every past game I saw was a complete different situation. Show me why it is impossible town Onegu reads you town this way after 50 pages? | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:42 marvellosity wrote: while trying to persuade not a single person? hahaha. i said all day to vote for whoever people think is mafia, and i said ever since rayn made his big post that i would just sheep rayn. that is all Sure. You are not trying to persuade anybody while telling fucking lies. LOOK AT HOW MARV KNOWS HE PUT DOWN MASSIVE LIES INTO THIS THREAD AND DOWNPLAYS IT TO "BUT I AM NOT TRYING TO PERSUADE ANYBODY WITH MY LIES" While not focusing on the part where he is telling lie after lie. | ||
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On March 17 2015 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: He uses more insight in his read. This game it is just a point after point where all the points are invalid and he should know that if he is that good at reading me. Like this is not about some specific tell that fails at some game, so you can't just say "Onegu might change his style of reading rayn from reasonable to stupid because he was wrong once". Hmm. Which way should Onegu have read you? How should it have looked like? I am looking at those 5 points and I somewhat agree with Onegu. It might be a bit lazy. But it is fine. And please remember there was a serious EUREKA tone in this post from Onegu as well concerning rayn, this somewhat shows town!Onegu still thinking and being critical about raynpelikoneet and not scum!Onegu sitting on his earlier townread: On March 14 2015 10:00 Onegu wrote: Here for a bit, will be here much more tonight. Another Rayn soul read for I am the FUCKING RAYN WISPERER. Rayn doesn't fakeclaim as mafia only as town. Rayn town 100% @ritoky lets lynch prplhz. Like the only reason I see to think he is town is because marv says so. I expect Ryan's reads to jump everywhere but not prplhz. Plus he has been completely forgettable this game. | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:04 marvellosity wrote: i was right on jat too, just not actively ^_^ hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha No you were not. You were pushing rayn and Damdred and anything that isn't JAT. Before the flip you even said JAT wasn't a sure thing. Well, you pretended. | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:08 marvellosity wrote: anyone who knows how i play knows i am unsure lynching active players d1. Koshi. how did I treat you d1 in Horn? I said you were a bad lynch even though I repeatedly refused to defend you, even though you kept asking me. Like that's exactly what happened. This game I did not even say jat was a bad lynch, and I repeatedly refused to defend him, even as he was asking me. that's just how the game goes. Nobody gives a single fuck. You are mafia. If you are not mafia. I don't care. I want to lynch you. | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi do you have anything else on prplhz other than what i said in my post yesterday? Like some smart quotes. The apathy argument and all that jizz i don't 100% believe in. Why does he say something about a cop after the night? "Scum got a roleblocker because the cop doesn't die?" Where does this come from? | ||
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On March 16 2015 19:58 prplhz wrote: i'm kind of around if anybody wants anything from me palmar's push is ridiculous (again) but i agree with his trolling point on himself being town This is very weak. It looks like he can't attack Palmar for being an idiot because Palmar is town? On March 16 2015 20:43 prplhz wrote: ##Vote Palmar i don't know but if palmar thinks i'm a liar he should have voted me or some shit? Doesn't take a hard stance on why he votes Palmar. On March 16 2015 20:58 prplhz wrote: why is it a dick/cheating move to replace out as scum? if you think your game is shit wouldn't you feel more responsible to your team as scum and then replace out? Strange. Weird. I heard we called people mafia for having weird reads. On March 16 2015 21:04 prplhz wrote: prplhz palmar marv koshi rayn onegu eden damdred i don't know or care what's a bannable offence, damdred was obviously feeling really shit about the game and that's why he left. scum are more likely to replace out. i'm gonna need to think about it all but i think damdred looks scum for it. i'm going to go for a run and then i'll be back at some point. and i bet palmar will have called me mafia at that point. Pre emptive defense. | ||
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I do not believe in an Onegu lynch today. | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:25 marvellosity wrote: 100% mafia, you are supposed to be veteran That's the fucking point. FUCK HOW MAFIA IS THIS GUY?????????????????????? | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:32 Palmar wrote: Btw I'm adding Eden to my "not lynch list" Eden Rayn Koshi Palmar FF soooo... I hardly even care anymore. We just lynch marv/onegu/prplhz in whatever order and game was nice. Welcome to 10 years ago. | ||
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On March 17 2015 23:39 prplhz wrote: i'm really not quitting, i think onegu/marv are a good shot at last mafiosos but lynching me first means i don't have to vote twice to win If only everybody was voting marv atm. | ||
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I can show 4 in which he didn't: 9 pages (6 days): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?user=Eden1892 7 pages (4 days): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474389-new-years-eve-party-mini-mafia?user=Eden1892 9 pages (1 day): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476878-linux-mini-mafia?user=Eden1892 4 pages (1 day): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/478192-office-mini-mafia?user=Eden1892 Into 25 pages mafia game in this game. In which he has obvious reads and jumps around scumreading people. | ||
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GOOD READ RAYN AND MARV | ||
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There is no fucking way they want to lynch into obvious town Onegu based on LIES and waffle around prplhz like this. prplhz and Onegu YOU ARE BOTH GETTING LYNCHED BY MAFIA RAYN AND MARV | ||
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I just fucking realized it. He is not fucking town. | ||
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LOOK AT HOW HE TAKES THE BAIT AND GOES FOR THE 1 GAME THAT DEBUNKS EDEN TOWN WHILE MARV READS EDEN TOWN IN HIS FILTER. HE DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT EDEN HIS ALIGNMENT. JUST WANT TO LOOK TOWN. | ||
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Koshi: Eden is town for this reason a b c d combined marv: if we look at c on his own, I am totally town. Eden is not important and I won't correct you saying that you lied about my read on Eden. COOL STORY BRO | ||
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Koshi: marv thinks Eden is scum and has a shitread on him. marv: I am town SOUNDS LEGIT | ||
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I make a post that you can use in the future that does something you want in return if that is allowed by the rules. I am not sure. | ||
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There is no fucking way in hell Onegu is mafia | ||
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Something is fucking off about this game. | ||
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I don't really know. | ||
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On March 18 2015 01:38 marvellosity wrote: you do not believe Onegu's 100% soul read then? That it is correct? Not anymore. But I think rayn is way more townie than you but he isn't more townie than Onegu/Palmar and Eden. | ||
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This guy has really no clue how hard it is to find mafia in this game. Because he never tried ofcourse. | ||
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On March 18 2015 01:41 prplhz wrote: this game is all too confusing and 238 pages long This guy realized his mistake. | ||
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Onegu is lynchbait so I got to fake a townread. Eden I cba. He is like rayn tbh. 50/50 prplhz??? How is he town? I don't see it. For everything he did possible townie another player did the same x 500 | ||
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Let's do rayn or do you think marv is mafia? Onegu isn't, prplhz is being protected by both rayn and marv. | ||
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marv. Please. Vote rayn. Please. | ||
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vote: prplhz The only one I am willing to lynch today. | ||
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On March 18 2015 04:48 Palmar wrote: I am not going to lynch prplhz. I Want Marv or Onegu Been a spineless fuck the entire game. Now wants to proof his worth. Doesn't bring anything to the table. gg. Lynch Palmar after prplhz w.e prplhz flips. rsoultin was right. | ||
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On March 18 2015 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who cares, noone cares about anything Eden says because he is so fucking town.... +1 | ||
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Unless it is rayn/marv this is a townlynch. | ||
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But I cannot see town marv copy the lies from rayn. | ||
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oh I didn't see. ##unvote ##vote: prplhz | ||
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Vote with me like you promised a fucking million times. | ||
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On March 18 2015 05:56 prplhz wrote: koshi what information do you gain from my lynch? Explain to me why you ask me. | ||
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On March 18 2015 05:59 Fecalfeast wrote: Can someone other than eden answer this pls Yes except rayn. | ||
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Move to prplhz and lynch marv the final day. It isn't sure that marv is mafia. There is something in the thread that doesn't want prplhz lynched and it is really odd that there are 2 mafias outside prplhz who are making that happen. I don't see the reason. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:17 prplhz wrote: MAYBE THE 2 SCUM WANT ME LYNCHED?????????????????????????????????????????? Who are those? | ||
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1) Do you think Onegu is getting bussed by everybody? Eden is not mafia. So his mafia partner is bussing him? The chance is way bigger somebody else is mafia and mafia is trying to get Onegu lynched. 2) Onegu did nothing this game to look townie. Scum!Onegu would have found something. 3) Onegu his read on rayn is NOT odd or weird.I pointed out how he even expands on it when rayn does another towntell and how Onegu is thrilled about it being correct. It is just something like ritoky did with his VT claim and his read on Onegu. It is for him important in this game that he reads rayn correctly. Getting lynched is not as bad for Onegu as getting rayn right. That is town, not mafia. For mafia Onegu the most important thing is not getting lynched. 4) Onegu thought slam was in the game and that he was mafia. 5) There are way more strange interaction between other people than with Onegu. There was nothing odd around Onegu with JAT, or with any other player still left in the game. Look at how many strange reactions there are around prplhz, or around rayn, or around marv. Onegu is just a solo town player. Nothing is odd. 6) Onegu hasn't ever changed his view on this game. prplhz, Palmar and Eden are his scumtargets and Onegu is 100% consistent with this. Not because Onegu is mafia struggling, but because Onegu doesn't have an agenda to push and just got reasons to think people are town and sticks with it. He doesn't care to narrow his 3 lynchtargets down because that isn't his job for him. And I am starting to believe mafia could very well be in prplhz, Palmar and Eden. 7) Nobody who scumread Onegu ever went back on his read and townreads Onegu. This happened with prplhz by rayn for example. And with prplhz and Palmar. Why do these 2 people suddenly read prplhz town? do you want more proof that Onegu is a lonely town? | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:19 prplhz wrote: i'm obviously going to lynch marv today but i doubt rayn is in on that @raynpelikoneet don't you think it's weird that the following happened marv calls me scum for some nonsense point eden and i (both of us he calls scum) say it's complete nonsense marv backs off and makes excuses "> Game is hard." complains about not being "backed up" seriously is this marv town behavior? ever? Why is prplhz not voting marv? | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:29 prplhz wrote: i'd like someone to present to me a plan for the next couple of days that i can support koshi? or is it super fucking secret for no reason at all? I truly hope you fucking aren't around for the next days so I don't know what you are asking me. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't fucking know. I have no idea what is going on in this game. Lynch Onegu. Why THE FUCK Read my post on Onegu. | ||
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YOU ARE ON ONEGU AGAIN??? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY????????????????????????? | ||
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Are all wagons town? | ||
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You are terrible at the game. | ||
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0% chance Onegu is mafia. I do not like him being here though. Begging for that marv vote that saves him. 1% chance he is mafia. | ||
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Not on you. But away from you. Any last reads? | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:42 Eden1892 wrote: Are you joking me right now? We are on day 3. It is the last day before MYLO. marv's best shot at a lynch was killing someone for saying he was enjoying the game at one point and being upset enough to self-vote at another point. That isn't alignment-indicative at all. That literally means nothing other than prplhz is a human being who experiences changes in emotion. That's what marv wanted us to do with MYLO looming. Lynch somebody for being human. This guy is so fucking mafia right now. There's no way town marv is this stumped AND defaults to that as a lynch. If that's the best he has three days in, where has he been this game?????? I understand the game is hard, but that read is still too bad to come from town marv. And we have, what, five motherfuckers in this game right now that aren't going to punish him for it? raynpelikoneet, Koshi, prplhz, Onegu, Fecalfeast, you guys have to move to marv now. We cannot let this pass. You have to know he can't be town with a read like this. tomorrow my bro. | ||
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nha. Today he is town. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:44 marvellosity wrote: I would vote for Eden right now if people would vote with me. Quickly who is his partner? Onegu prplhz? What makes sense? I don't see what would. | ||
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Man............. Eden didn't up his game this hard. | ||
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prplhz and rayn both didn't. | ||
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Eden is town but I cba anymore. Look at how easy this is. ONEGU CAN'T BE MAFIA WITH EDEN BECAUSE HE JUST HAMMERED HIM | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:50 prplhz wrote: i don't like voting for eden. he's agreeing with me on stuff. LOOK AT THIS GUY NOT VOTING AND WANTING TO DIE | ||
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At least you are funny. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:50 Hapahauli wrote: prplhz (1): Koshi Marvellosity (1): Eden1892 Koshi (1): prplhz Eden1892 (5): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, Onegu, Palmar, FecalFeast Currently Eden1892 is set to be lynched! I LIKE HOW ONEGU HIS MAFIAPARTNER JUST KILLED EDEN when it was 3 on prplhz and 2 on Eden | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Onegu kills himself if he does not vote with me. Like are you retarded? WE WERE FUCKING 3 ON PRPLHZ Fucking keep lieing | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:53 Eden1892 wrote: THIS IS SUCH BULLSHIT. TOWN IS DISORGANIZED AND I COME BACK TO TRY TO HELP AND SOMEHOW I'M MAFIA??? GET. THE. FUCK. OFF. ME. NOW Your fucking fault to come back and be a fucking moron. That's why you are now lynched. For being a moron. Either alignment. | ||
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GONE WITH THE FUCKING WIND | ||
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But I am the only one voting for him. It's pathetic. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:59 marvellosity wrote: if FF is mafia i will be very mad stfu. It has nothing to do with anything that happened here. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:11 marvellosity wrote: Koshi, as you're the cop, why were you convinced (for a time) rayn was fakeclaiming a protective role? when you weren't after all? was it just that cop + medic + rb too strong? It was a bunch of things. rb + vet is already too strong imo. But I was also just fed up with rayn his bullshit around his own claim. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:13 Palmar wrote: Btw why would you ever say this (and vote him twice during the day) just on the off chance town is pants on head retarded and vote switches you or some random shit. I was pants on head retarded | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:32 Palmar wrote: No. If I'm mafia that's incredibly favorable to town. How exactly? | ||
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32 33 34 page filters. Why the fuck not. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:36 Palmar wrote: There is a teeny tiny chance I can dodge the lynch today. But there is no chance I can dodge a double lynch. I'd rather take my teeny tiny chance twice than no chance once. I guess that is true. My point was that people should jsut never lynch rayn. But I guess anything can still happen. | ||
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3 confirmed town + rayn who lynched 2 mafia and rarely busses. 2 lynches who type way too many words to read. | ||
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But I forgot that Damdred claimed cop. So they shot him lol. | ||
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If I died and I didn't share my marv green check... I would be sad. I didn't see a good way to do it sneaky. | ||
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rayn is not going to buss his partners when he doesn't have to and then shoot rsoultin and Damdred. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 12 2015 19:57 rsoultin wrote: mrrrr too many townyish people this game big problem lol -sits on marv's head and peers down at him- you could be scum you know...kinda funny you seem to think that's an impossible thought to have. like i wouldn't be considering it if most of the player base didn't look town, but still koshi+rayn+LS definite townies hi townies ^^ (tinfoil hat could i suppose have rayn scum ccing jat scum but that's a super fucking weird play lol and if they did that i don't mind losing to it ><) prp...i like for town on filter dive. only reservation is despite his contribution to scumreading jat he stayed on rayn, but considering his reaction to rayn's LS push and his involvement in the thread otherwise, it adds up eden anger too real...like i feel he'd hard town me as either alignment unless i started looking like a shitbag and other potential mislynches are actually harder to get lynched than me, but his paroxysms of fury/frustration are not how i remember him behaving when we caught him as scum before marv...liked where his head was at. we clicked early. he did not want to lynch jat and only came around at the end...could mean a tunnel, we all do it, and i'm still inclined to say he's town. i even agree he's more likely to try to get cred out of that lynch especially considering jat goon...however. gotta love howevers xP this whole the main reason to townread him is he would have tried to get credit is weaksauce and his response to koshi read overly defensive to me. so he dropped to a light read. naughty marv ritoky...if the only reason i can possibly town you is cause jat was pushing you you're sucking wind, boyo. i think it may be normal for you to get off to a slow start though so let me make this simple: YOU ARE NOT CONFIRMED TOWN TO ME. that means you actually have to do some shit. i see no reason jat couldn't have bussed you, and a lot of folks look way more townie than you do onegu...only reason to townread him is the vt claim and that does actually appear to be a thing...again, if that's the only reason i can call you town, though, that's frankly not anywhere close to good enough palmar...prp is scum? lol i can't read your game anyway, and apparently you've lost your pulse on prp as it is, but i don't know what the hell you're doing this game damdred like...i don't think i even need to add on here. i still feel like he poe'd himself. there's a bit of awkwardness to his play this game, too, and i forget who mentioned his townreads looking naïve town, but naïve is not a word i'd associate with damdred...ever | ||
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And then prplhz and rayn and koshi on top. If we count the Eden townread there..... Good shot. | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:13 Eden1892 wrote: I would never do this because we finally rolled town together. This logic is so twisted.... | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:18 Eden1892 wrote: I stand by what I said. I would never kill rsoultin this game because we finally rolled town together. Not only does killing rsoultin not advance my win condition, I really like playing with rsoultin and removing her from the game would suck. The point is that you would be mafia if you killed her..................... | ||
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And we are sitting here just lynching both of you. | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:27 Eden1892 wrote: good time to start, unless your list is in reverse lynch order in which case you can take your sweet time getting over it as long as you lynch palmar first and don't ruin my perfect mislynch streak Don't give Palmar more reasons to play. | ||
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And then he decides to sheep marv and plead to marv except his bussy scummember? And rayn called Onegu mafia for not communicating with him. Come on..........................; Onegu can't be mafia with rayn. | ||
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Lynch prplhz and see onegu win in endgame. While he could just stfu and lynch prplhz. | ||
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WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THIS????????????????????????????????????????????????? | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:51 Palmar wrote: If I can play this strong as mafia. I'm just retiring because it's never going to be better than this. counted | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:52 marvellosity wrote: you're essentially having a one-man discussion, so why don't you ask yourself? I am trying to mindmelt the mafia in conceding by using some sort of aggressive psychology. | ||
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Just loom at all the big posts in filters: Eden his first big read post (jat palmar ritoky) rayn his first big read post (jat onegu ritoky and palmar) rsoultin last read post. ( damdred, palmar, Onegu) ( town on others) It all fits in a game with a bunch of good players. | ||
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Palmar was an oddity in his filter, doing complete other things. | ||
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rayn came off a serious bender with Damdred, rereads the game 19 hours later and produces this, there is a cool part about you near the bottom: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2015 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way we are lynching Eden. We are lynching justanothertownie. JAT There are three simple reasons for JAT being mafia. (1) Koshi's post where he says "jat doesn't give that sort of townreads". This is true, asbolutely true. JAT as town is paranoid as fuck and basically NEVER townreads people for that little. Never. (2) JAT is sorta defending me but never tries to find an alternative lynch. Go read his filter, does it look like he actually wants to lynch someone? Like this post: is closest to a scumread he has given in this game. Which brings me to: (3) He isn't actually doing anything. Like, he isn't pushing anything, he isn't giving any reads or thought processes on things. He is just fucking here. Lynch with fire. Onegu I totally retract my townread on Onegu for various reasons. I originally read him as town because i thought as mafia he would give a read on me quite early in the game. I understand i have looked scummy to people (well mainly to marv and rsoultin, others are/were just sheeples), Onegu -- as town -- if he thought i am town would counter people. But he isn't. Still he gives me a townread a bit later on. tbh, if he reads me as scum he is 100% mafia, but still, his reasoning is crap crappy crap. It doesn't even mean anything like marv mentioned because yes, i do those things as either alignment. My conclusion here is the same as JAT point (2) -- Onegu does not want to call me mafia but doesn't want to actually defend me either (or find an alternative lynch). Onegu WOULD defend me HARDCORE in case he was town, i am 99% sure of that. ritoky He is just useless. So very useless and i don't understand why anyone would want to join a game they are posting a lot but only posting entirely useless things. As for my townreads: marv, Koshi, rsoultin, Eden, Damdred. I don't think the first three need alot of explanation but if someone wants me to explain just ask. - Eden is town!!! Do not lynch him! The difference in him defending me is that he actually wanted to lynch other people, mainly JAT, who is fucking mafia. From what i read he trusts his tonereads and that was the main reason for him to defend me. Well yeah, while he is wrong (there is no tonereading regarding me)that doesn't make him scum, especially when he is actively trying to figure out the game in the meantime. The latest of his posts read very genuine to me and i think his argument Damdred is accusing him of (not answering him and blabla) he is definitely right on and Damdred is not. I also really like him because he has said many things i have actually meant when other people make something dumb out of it. - Damdred's posting has gotten way better since early game when he was only talking about me. I still don't believe he genuinely has other reasons to think i am mafia than to sheep marv. I also don't think he is scum for it after thinking it over. I don't even wanna touch the LS argument between me and Damdred again because while i still do not understand where i was wrong if several people think this way i probably read something wrong and i don't wanna go LS posting from some other game again. meh idk.. Maybe just add purplehaze here. I personally do not think he is town jsut because he is not like "super good" and imo doesn't say anything good enough to townread him (i still stand behind my point he played a really good D1 in Titanic). But i am going to trust marv here. At least until his posting goes from "good enough" to "superbad", which it probably will if he is scum. I have no idea what Palmar is doing and i hate it 100%, but i also know he is dick enough to do what he does now as town. I don't like him because he is calling me mafia and i feel like he is trying to antagonize me which is what he ALWAYS does as mafia, in every single game. Anyways he is nowhere near as scummy as the three red reads. I don't really read LightningStirke's posts. I don't want to argue with/about him right now because it takes effort and PoE says he is not mafia. This game has been really hard for me because nothing happened at the start of the game. I tried to get something started and apparently it failed miserably. Then the situation evolved to the point where marv makes a case on me and noone talks about anything but me -- and even here, none of the people who voted for me and are not marv even fucking said anything (except for rsoultin so huge props for her about that) for reals. I usually work by process of elimination but in this game it has been impossible for me to do so, just because noone talks (until now). So i took a workday off from posting (while i did read how much i could), worked with the opposite of PoE, and here i am. We need to murder justanothertownie with fire because he is mafia. Please. Eden solved the game less than rayn, but you can see the same line of thought on some reads. Also important is that Eden calls rayn town and the other way around. Also, comparing these 2 posts town!rayn > town!Eden by quite a margin, which is proven here.+ Show Spoiler + On March 11 2015 05:31 Eden1892 wrote: just off the top - i'm on ~1.5hr break and would rather play ff4 than do this, but just because you started being good and soul is here (1) rsoultin is virtually confirmed-town here to me. I know I know, I got her wrong for most of Horn of Africa (including when I died, so being right early doesn't really count), but I got her completely right in Titanic, and I feel very confident reading her. This is finally the game where we're town together and it's pretty exciting =)))))))))))))))))))))))) (2) You're town. At first I felt you were insufficiently paranoid about me compared to your play in Student VI, but it occurred to me that several other people (somehow) townread me early too, so that probably didn't mean much. And you had a question about ray earlier that I'll go back and quote now (I didn't at the time because lol mobile and big post) that I really liked: I liked it because... (3) I think ray is also town. Granted, I haven't seen his mafia play, and I know his propensity to get into heated arguments is probably more of his personality than anything alignment-indicative... but I read his posts and it is really clear to me that he is quite sincere in his belief you're lying and mafia. I don't even have to think his reasons for believing this are good - I don't even get what he was trying to do! - but it seemed clear to me that he was, as you put it, "keying in on something that's important to him but [is] not necessarily true or [does not] make ls mafia." (4) I think Koshi is town. I don't remember anything he's said at the moment, but I remember him trying and digging into things early on d1. I could just be sleeping on his mafia game after a lackluster Horn of Africa performance, but I know he's like me in that he has to push himself pretty hard to try as mafia (while he doesn't as town). That makes his effortless early work, despite a constrained time schedule, strongly alignment-indicative to me. (5) I think prplhz is town. Again I could be sleeping on his mafia game and/or misremembering things here, but despite not really paying any attention to Titanic I remember thinking he was vaguely suspicious, and (iirc) he was mafia there. Here I see him very blatantly trying to be productive, which I don't remember from Titanic. I like his questioning me about my vote on JAT for example, even though I have no intention of playing ball about it right now ![]() (6) I think ritoky could be mafia. The pickle thing was funny for a bit, but he's talked before (I want to say in Titanic?) about how when he's mafia he has trouble finding his groove with humor, either not being able to be funny at all and taking things too seriously or going overboard with being jokey to compensate for that issue. It seems like he's going overboard here cause, sorry bud, it's not funny anymore. Coupled with him not trying to figure out the game at all (and my understanding that he does this as town, like most townies tend to do), he seems like a pretty good lynch right now. (7) I'm voting justanothertownie. (8) I think marv is probably town, the way I read marv is pretty simple: (I) Is he trying? If yes go to (II), if no mafia. (II) Did I actively think he's mafia? If yes he's probably town, because I get this wrong all the time. If no go to (III). (III) Did I actively think he's town? If yes he's probably town. If no go to (IV). (IV) Is it past day 1? If yes he's probably mafia, because when marv is mafia he's usually null and you find him by him not being clearly town. If no then you run through this chart again d2. (9) I'm unimpressed with Palmar so far but I have marv as probably town and I figure marv can figure out Palmar for me. And then there is rsoultin. We all know mafia nk most likely is done because of her reads. And very unlikely was rng or a framejob. And looking at it now rsoultin was killed for the level she solved the game, correct townreads, correct scumreads: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2015 19:57 rsoultin wrote: mrrrr too many townyish people this game big problem lol -sits on marv's head and peers down at him- you could be scum you know...kinda funny you seem to think that's an impossible thought to have. like i wouldn't be considering it if most of the player base didn't look town, but still koshi+rayn+LS definite townies hi townies ^^ (tinfoil hat could i suppose have rayn scum ccing jat scum but that's a super fucking weird play lol and if they did that i don't mind losing to it ><) prp...i like for town on filter dive. only reservation is despite his contribution to scumreading jat he stayed on rayn, but considering his reaction to rayn's LS push and his involvement in the thread otherwise, it adds up eden anger too real...like i feel he'd hard town me as either alignment unless i started looking like a shitbag and other potential mislynches are actually harder to get lynched than me, but his paroxysms of fury/frustration are not how i remember him behaving when we caught him as scum before marv...liked where his head was at. we clicked early. he did not want to lynch jat and only came around at the end...could mean a tunnel, we all do it, and i'm still inclined to say he's town. i even agree he's more likely to try to get cred out of that lynch especially considering jat goon...however. gotta love howevers xP this whole the main reason to townread him is he would have tried to get credit is weaksauce and his response to koshi read overly defensive to me. so he dropped to a light read. naughty marv ritoky...if the only reason i can possibly town you is cause jat was pushing you you're sucking wind, boyo. i think it may be normal for you to get off to a slow start though so let me make this simple: YOU ARE NOT CONFIRMED TOWN TO ME. that means you actually have to do some shit. i see no reason jat couldn't have bussed you, and a lot of folks look way more townie than you do onegu...only reason to townread him is the vt claim and that does actually appear to be a thing...again, if that's the only reason i can call you town, though, that's frankly not anywhere close to good enough palmar...prp is scum? lol i can't read your game anyway, and apparently you've lost your pulse on prp as it is, but i don't know what the hell you're doing this game damdred like...i don't think i even need to add on here. i still feel like he poe'd himself. there's a bit of awkwardness to his play this game, too, and i forget who mentioned his townreads looking naïve town, but naïve is not a word i'd associate with damdred...ever | ||
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On March 19 2015 23:44 marvellosity wrote: it's actually a pretty good towncase. If you say he is town we move to Eden. | ||
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##VOTE: Eden1892 Sure. If he wants to die first. Let's go. | ||
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But we can lynch Eden first. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:01 Eden1892 wrote: I don't think it's obvious. Why do you? You're apparently completely unconvinced by Palmar's town case, why don't you show me why? And how am I being a jackass? What would you do differently in my situation? Lynch the obvious target who seems really townie and then shrug your shoulders, get mislynched next day and lose the game for your team? Nobody cares. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:02 Eden1892 wrote: What the hell Koshi. Tell me why Palmar's town case is bad? Because as mafia his job is to say/act out a couple fucking townie things? And now he is fucking putting them in a case. Ignoring all the scummy shit he said. I read all the filters and I gave my opinion. For me Palmar is 100% mafia. But I can lynch you first. Really no problem. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: also the above is why i am not going to interact with you. it is really simple, either you are mafia or Palmar is mafia. it's that simple. And Eden deserves to die first for being terrible. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:55 Eden1892 wrote: Ugh. Why the hell isn't Palmar town, Koshi? NOBODY GIVES A FUCK | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:57 Eden1892 wrote: Uh, I do. If Palmar isn't town then why are you lynching me first? I truly hope you are town. | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:48 Eden1892 wrote: ok friends, this is my plan for today. let me know if this is ok. i am going to vote for palmar (check) i am going to make some arguments for why palmar is mafia (check) i am going to respond to queries about them and make more arguments as needed i am going to otherwise not really try all that hard. if palmar is going to get me lynched instead, then i will spam thread and be loud to get him lynched. if palmar flips town, i'm going to freak out and then you guys will please not lynch me at 4p mylo This would have been a good plan. Instead he went full retard. | ||
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##vote Palmar My case: You are not reading Palmar. Or not getting my point. My point is that rayn and Eden their first posts have a lot of value. And because they are both good players I expect their posts to reflect their virgin thoughts on the game. Before all the madness, insanity and rage. When we look at these posts we see that the posts touch each other on multiple fronts. rayn came off a serious bender with Damdred, rereads the game 19 hours later and produces this, there is a cool part about you near the bottom: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2015 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way we are lynching Eden. We are lynching justanothertownie. JAT There are three simple reasons for JAT being mafia. (1) Koshi's post where he says "jat doesn't give that sort of townreads". This is true, asbolutely true. JAT as town is paranoid as fuck and basically NEVER townreads people for that little. Never. (2) JAT is sorta defending me but never tries to find an alternative lynch. Go read his filter, does it look like he actually wants to lynch someone? Like this post: is closest to a scumread he has given in this game. Which brings me to: (3) He isn't actually doing anything. Like, he isn't pushing anything, he isn't giving any reads or thought processes on things. He is just fucking here. Lynch with fire. Onegu I totally retract my townread on Onegu for various reasons. I originally read him as town because i thought as mafia he would give a read on me quite early in the game. I understand i have looked scummy to people (well mainly to marv and rsoultin, others are/were just sheeples), Onegu -- as town -- if he thought i am town would counter people. But he isn't. Still he gives me a townread a bit later on. tbh, if he reads me as scum he is 100% mafia, but still, his reasoning is crap crappy crap. It doesn't even mean anything like marv mentioned because yes, i do those things as either alignment. My conclusion here is the same as JAT point (2) -- Onegu does not want to call me mafia but doesn't want to actually defend me either (or find an alternative lynch). Onegu WOULD defend me HARDCORE in case he was town, i am 99% sure of that. ritoky He is just useless. So very useless and i don't understand why anyone would want to join a game they are posting a lot but only posting entirely useless things. As for my townreads: marv, Koshi, rsoultin, Eden, Damdred. I don't think the first three need alot of explanation but if someone wants me to explain just ask. - Eden is town!!! Do not lynch him! The difference in him defending me is that he actually wanted to lynch other people, mainly JAT, who is fucking mafia. From what i read he trusts his tonereads and that was the main reason for him to defend me. Well yeah, while he is wrong (there is no tonereading regarding me)that doesn't make him scum, especially when he is actively trying to figure out the game in the meantime. The latest of his posts read very genuine to me and i think his argument Damdred is accusing him of (not answering him and blabla) he is definitely right on and Damdred is not. I also really like him because he has said many things i have actually meant when other people make something dumb out of it. - Damdred's posting has gotten way better since early game when he was only talking about me. I still don't believe he genuinely has other reasons to think i am mafia than to sheep marv. I also don't think he is scum for it after thinking it over. I don't even wanna touch the LS argument between me and Damdred again because while i still do not understand where i was wrong if several people think this way i probably read something wrong and i don't wanna go LS posting from some other game again. meh idk.. Maybe just add purplehaze here. I personally do not think he is town jsut because he is not like "super good" and imo doesn't say anything good enough to townread him (i still stand behind my point he played a really good D1 in Titanic). But i am going to trust marv here. At least until his posting goes from "good enough" to "superbad", which it probably will if he is scum. I have no idea what Palmar is doing and i hate it 100%, but i also know he is dick enough to do what he does now as town. I don't like him because he is calling me mafia and i feel like he is trying to antagonize me which is what he ALWAYS does as mafia, in every single game. Anyways he is nowhere near as scummy as the three red reads. I don't really read LightningStirke's posts. I don't want to argue with/about him right now because it takes effort and PoE says he is not mafia. This game has been really hard for me because nothing happened at the start of the game. I tried to get something started and apparently it failed miserably. Then the situation evolved to the point where marv makes a case on me and noone talks about anything but me -- and even here, none of the people who voted for me and are not marv even fucking said anything (except for rsoultin so huge props for her about that) for reals. I usually work by process of elimination but in this game it has been impossible for me to do so, just because noone talks (until now). So i took a workday off from posting (while i did read how much i could), worked with the opposite of PoE, and here i am. We need to murder justanothertownie with fire because he is mafia. Please. Eden solved the game less than rayn, but you can see the same line of thought on some reads. Also important is that Eden calls rayn town and the other way around. Also, comparing these 2 posts town!rayn > town!Eden by quite a margin, which is proven here.+ Show Spoiler + On March 11 2015 05:31 Eden1892 wrote: just off the top - i'm on ~1.5hr break and would rather play ff4 than do this, but just because you started being good and soul is here (1) rsoultin is virtually confirmed-town here to me. I know I know, I got her wrong for most of Horn of Africa (including when I died, so being right early doesn't really count), but I got her completely right in Titanic, and I feel very confident reading her. This is finally the game where we're town together and it's pretty exciting =)))))))))))))))))))))))) (2) You're town. At first I felt you were insufficiently paranoid about me compared to your play in Student VI, but it occurred to me that several other people (somehow) townread me early too, so that probably didn't mean much. And you had a question about ray earlier that I'll go back and quote now (I didn't at the time because lol mobile and big post) that I really liked: I liked it because... (3) I think ray is also town. Granted, I haven't seen his mafia play, and I know his propensity to get into heated arguments is probably more of his personality than anything alignment-indicative... but I read his posts and it is really clear to me that he is quite sincere in his belief you're lying and mafia. I don't even have to think his reasons for believing this are good - I don't even get what he was trying to do! - but it seemed clear to me that he was, as you put it, "keying in on something that's important to him but [is] not necessarily true or [does not] make ls mafia." (4) I think Koshi is town. I don't remember anything he's said at the moment, but I remember him trying and digging into things early on d1. I could just be sleeping on his mafia game after a lackluster Horn of Africa performance, but I know he's like me in that he has to push himself pretty hard to try as mafia (while he doesn't as town). That makes his effortless early work, despite a constrained time schedule, strongly alignment-indicative to me. (5) I think prplhz is town. Again I could be sleeping on his mafia game and/or misremembering things here, but despite not really paying any attention to Titanic I remember thinking he was vaguely suspicious, and (iirc) he was mafia there. Here I see him very blatantly trying to be productive, which I don't remember from Titanic. I like his questioning me about my vote on JAT for example, even though I have no intention of playing ball about it right now ![]() (6) I think ritoky could be mafia. The pickle thing was funny for a bit, but he's talked before (I want to say in Titanic?) about how when he's mafia he has trouble finding his groove with humor, either not being able to be funny at all and taking things too seriously or going overboard with being jokey to compensate for that issue. It seems like he's going overboard here cause, sorry bud, it's not funny anymore. Coupled with him not trying to figure out the game at all (and my understanding that he does this as town, like most townies tend to do), he seems like a pretty good lynch right now. (7) I'm voting justanothertownie. (8) I think marv is probably town, the way I read marv is pretty simple: (I) Is he trying? If yes go to (II), if no mafia. (II) Did I actively think he's mafia? If yes he's probably town, because I get this wrong all the time. If no go to (III). (III) Did I actively think he's town? If yes he's probably town. If no go to (IV). (IV) Is it past day 1? If yes he's probably mafia, because when marv is mafia he's usually null and you find him by him not being clearly town. If no then you run through this chart again d2. (9) I'm unimpressed with Palmar so far but I have marv as probably town and I figure marv can figure out Palmar for me. And then there is rsoultin. We all know mafia nk most likely is done because of her reads. And very unlikely was rng or a framejob. And looking at it now rsoultin was killed for the level she solved the game, correct townreads, correct scumreads: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2015 19:57 rsoultin wrote: mrrrr too many townyish people this game big problem lol -sits on marv's head and peers down at him- you could be scum you know...kinda funny you seem to think that's an impossible thought to have. like i wouldn't be considering it if most of the player base didn't look town, but still koshi+rayn+LS definite townies hi townies ^^ (tinfoil hat could i suppose have rayn scum ccing jat scum but that's a super fucking weird play lol and if they did that i don't mind losing to it ><) prp...i like for town on filter dive. only reservation is despite his contribution to scumreading jat he stayed on rayn, but considering his reaction to rayn's LS push and his involvement in the thread otherwise, it adds up eden anger too real...like i feel he'd hard town me as either alignment unless i started looking like a shitbag and other potential mislynches are actually harder to get lynched than me, but his paroxysms of fury/frustration are not how i remember him behaving when we caught him as scum before marv...liked where his head was at. we clicked early. he did not want to lynch jat and only came around at the end...could mean a tunnel, we all do it, and i'm still inclined to say he's town. i even agree he's more likely to try to get cred out of that lynch especially considering jat goon...however. gotta love howevers xP this whole the main reason to townread him is he would have tried to get credit is weaksauce and his response to koshi read overly defensive to me. so he dropped to a light read. naughty marv ritoky...if the only reason i can possibly town you is cause jat was pushing you you're sucking wind, boyo. i think it may be normal for you to get off to a slow start though so let me make this simple: YOU ARE NOT CONFIRMED TOWN TO ME. that means you actually have to do some shit. i see no reason jat couldn't have bussed you, and a lot of folks look way more townie than you do onegu...only reason to townread him is the vt claim and that does actually appear to be a thing...again, if that's the only reason i can call you town, though, that's frankly not anywhere close to good enough palmar...prp is scum? lol i can't read your game anyway, and apparently you've lost your pulse on prp as it is, but i don't know what the hell you're doing this game damdred like...i don't think i even need to add on here. i still feel like he poe'd himself. there's a bit of awkwardness to his play this game, too, and i forget who mentioned his townreads looking naïve town, but naïve is not a word i'd associate with damdred...ever If you want Eden I will sheep you rayn, but I think Palmar fits better. | ||
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Later you pull out 2 oranges. The last one in the bag is going to be an apple. | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:51 Palmar wrote: I still feel like I'm being lynched, in part, for being more wrong than someone who has perfect information. Who is doing that? Who? | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:52 Palmar wrote: If rayn is the mafia, you absolutely are. Your main reason for townreading him is that he made cases on mafia. ......................................................................................................................................................... I have no words for this stupidity. That's why I hope you are town and lynched. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure if you are calling me mafia here or what? What am i supposed to say? I am not going to make up some shit like Palmar (his towncase on himself is explaining why he has called townies mafia?!?!?! -- like who cares?). I have done what i have done in this game, iknow one of Palmar / Eden HAS to be scum. There is nothing i need to say. DONT USE LOGIC. PLEASE RAYN CALL PRPLHZ MAFIA CALL KOSHI MAFIA CALL MARV MAFIA You might get lynched. | ||
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And then start calling the greenchecks and the cop mafia for a couple of posts. Then when the cop says you are a retard emo out. | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:30 Eden1892 wrote: Do not ever lynch Palmar until someone rebuts his big townie case. Do not ever lynch marv because if there's a framer it's prplhz. Do not ever lynch Koshi because he never fakeclaims cop there. Probably do not ever lynch prplhz because it's doubtful there is a framer. If ray is town then lynch him but only if ray is town. Eden wants to lynch prplhz before Palmar. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote ##vote raynpelikoneet i am done. do it then fuckers. i hope mafia wins. This. I just want to lynch the townie out of Palmar / Eden and then call it a draw. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:10 Eden1892 wrote: well yeah but that's not right now, that's after ray flips. not the same thing as what you said. now quit being a fucking dick, koshi STFU YOU FUCK STFU THIS IS FUCKING NOW. THIS WAS YOUR GOODBYE POST. THIS IS FUCKING THE REALITY IN WHICH YOU ARE LIVING AND YOU TELL US TO GO FUCK OURSELVES AND IN THE SAME POST WRITE THIS. THIS FUCKING PIECE OF GARBAGE. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:11 Eden1892 wrote: god i really wish koshi didn't basically have a confirmed-town pass LOOK AT THIS FUCKER WANTING TO LYNCH TOWN. | ||
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It literally says; When rayn flips town, lynch prplhz. SO YOU SAY LYNCH PRPLHZ BEFORE PALMAR. NOTHING I SAY IS UNTRUE You are fucking impossible to work with. You don't fucking use any form of logic. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:15 Eden1892 wrote: no it literally says "if" and you said i wanted to lynch the cop and his greenchecks. i have one greencheck as a maybe lynch which doesn't even matter much cuz i think a non-greencheck is mafia. where's your logic? You say Never lynch Palmar. Lynch rayn. if rayn is town lynch prplhz. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:37 marvellosity wrote: i already showed my points, why you ignore? 1) JAT and Onegu never voted and there were 4 votes on rayn. I could see a world in which JAT didn't come in and voted rayn. Eden had a townread on rayn from his big post so he couldn't go to rayn when it mattered. Onegu soulread. 2) Why would rayn kill rsoultin then? I showed why Palmar would kill rsoultin. Perfect reasons + he tried to get a blueclaim out of it. Why not kill marv? or Palmar? 3) Mistakes were made. I laugh something like that away when I have to read the bullshit Eden and Palmar write 24/7. But w.e. Fair point. 4) I was sure Onegu wasn't scum, rayn was sure he was scum. rayn changed to Eden, if he wanted to get the Onegu kred from the start, why would he waver for a second? Just to go back a bit later? It's unlikely this is mafia behaviour. rayn is town because he HARDBUSSED Onegu. I have never seen anybody do it like that. And then during the night the mafia was concerned about a cop and shot Damdred. Why would rayn do this? It is way more likely that mafia didn't want to lose their gf because they thought there was a cop. So rayn is town. There is no way ever rayn is mafia. Ever. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:07 marvellosity wrote: 2) still doesn't address the core point of 2, leaving alive the claimed doc who just lynched mafia. it doesn't matter who was killed instead :/ Both Eden and Palmar know that rayn likes to fakeclaim. If he did, they would lose a lynch if there was a real doc. And rayn wasn't doc so there is that. You also have to know that Palmar did his best to see if rayn was really doc. So did you btw marv. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is really frustrating because every single point against me is something i can't possibly explain. I am not mafia, i don't know why i was not shot on N1. It is really BS to say ask me "why are you alive" when i can't psosibly have any explanation for it. I have never seen marv this bad. Last game must have been the Ver game. It's insane. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:13 marvellosity wrote: are you serious? "this bad"? yeah sorry for lynching that mafia you were fucking harddefending. gtfo You did fucking nothing. JAT lynch ---> Marv did nothing Onegu lynch ---> Marv did nothing. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:14 Palmar wrote: Well you think I'm mafia so you can hardly antagonize me for it! Yup. But I hope you are town. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:14 marvellosity wrote: Doing nothing on the jat lynch was perfect. I did nothing because I did not need to do nothing. I supported the Onegu lynch most of the time and then killed him when it mattered. none of this is bad at all. it's actually rather good. Don't forget the 65 pages you garbaged into this thread while you were doing nothing of value. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:16 marvellosity wrote: nonetheless, that's what happened at the critical points ![]() I let town (and you) have your jat lynch, that was fine. you hard-defended the mafia lynch that i was voting on. so whatever ![]() No not w.e if rayn is town here. You did fuck all. If we followed your lead we would have lynched town rayn on D1 who gave us these 2 lynches. And you can't take any fucking credit on the Onegu lynch. You didn't even put 1 reason in the thread why Onegu was mafia in that 65 page filter of yours. Or maybe one. rofl. And now you want to lynch that person over the most obvious mafia Palmar, or mafia Eden who played well but actually hasn"t made much sense in 85% of his posts. But I don't know if he is mafia for it. But clearly you don't know either. And between all that you live in a world in which you think you are actually more valuable this game than let's say Koshi or rayn. What a joke you are. Time to retire. or go on a long break. | ||
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Scumlynch d1. Harddefended Damdred. Defended town hero rayn. Let baddies lynch redcheck d2. Which always wouls have happened. Defended scum Onegu d3. Pushed town prplhz. Oops. Shrug. gave town 2 greenchecks d4 even due to masterful veteran fakeclaim on d2 while being doc target n1 due to lynch on mafia + "known" doc. Other people in this game though...... | ||
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This could have been so easy. | ||
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It's an atrocity that you are not lynched after doing completely nothing during last day except call yourself town. But the ******* called you town and didn't even bother to discuss you when I a made a 100% legit case. And the biggest ****** went for a prplhz is a framer story. Seriously. What a joke. And I am censoring everything because when I call people "fuckers" I get final warned. But others can call me w.e the fuck they want. | ||
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Did you once stood still and looked at how each and single one of Palmar his posts are about how he is town? Eden got lynched and he suddenly found a RB on scum so that Koshi would lynch obvious town Palmar. Palmar did nothing the entire D4 to find mafia. Eden actually tried to do things. Sadly it consisted of calling prplhz a framer and terrible plans to WIFOM the nightkill. But it was something. Palmar did nothing. I lynched Eden because he was town and deserved it. I was very clear about it. Even though at a point during the WIFOM nk plan I thought he finally crossed the bullshit townplay line into mafia area. But alas, he was still town and *******. But why did you people lynch Eden? I can understand rayn, he was right the entire game and got 0 assistance from the thread. So ofcourse he lynches Eden. Even though I told them that their initial read on each other was correct. But w.e. But why did you lynch Eden? Just a joke. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:29 marvellosity wrote: like why don't you just leave me the fuck alone when all i want to do is play the game? that's what it incomprehensible Then play the game. You called me out just as much as I called you out. So pls. Don't dish it out when you can't take it. | ||
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On March 13 2015 19:07 marvellosity wrote: could you be more of a fucking moron who should nevr talk to me again, you stupid cunt? Sure. marv. Sure. | ||
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But at least I am actually playing the game between all the caps. Like tell me how Eden is mafia when Onegu hammered Eden last night? But w.e. It is useless. The nk, the posts from rayn and eden, the filter. it all points towards Palmar. But nobody cared. Except rayn. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote: first time it was an accident. now i feel he just deserves the rest. i've never genuinely despised someone in a game before. Because nobody gave you shit before. But I know you are town and still dish it out. Simply because you deserve it. And for fun. | ||
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On March 15 2015 23:57 marvellosity wrote: who are you calling lazy, you whiny bitch? Seriously. You are a joke. | ||
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On March 15 2015 02:00 Damdred wrote: Honestly before I get started Marv, you have been one of the people i'm most angry at this game I take time to write things out and then you just gloss over them ignore them or tell me no when I ask you to talk to me. Like I halfway hope you are scum this game just so that I have some excuse to say why you've been a dick but that's besides the point. To work I go Yes. I can only work with facts from the thread. I do not pm people while I am in a game. | ||
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It's over. | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:06 Palmar wrote: It is tempting to just tunnel marv till the game ends. But I think I'm going to end up going with rayn. Yes, I agree Palmar. I read you 100% town for this post. So is marv framer or gf. Really difficult to figure this out. hmm. I think because prplhz was green checled during n3 it points towards marv godfather. Yes. Please lynch marv over prplhz. Especially when I die during the night. Perfect WIFOM. yesyes. Genius. | ||
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marv is framer and prplhz is actually miller. What happened is that prplhz was the obvious copcheck, and marv knew cop was checking prplhz, so he framed him. But it backfired and because prplhz is miller it was green. That is why marv is so angry. I finally figured it out. | ||
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Please tell me more about a scum RB. I think that has some merit as well. | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:28 prplhz wrote: can't you just claim to have checked palmar red tomorrow? Brilliant. | ||
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It might be really incomprehensible at points because I added some lines in paragraphs because I repeated myself too much, deleted paragraphs and added them eslewhere. | ||
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I have read the 3 filters yesterday. Compared them. And it is Palmar. I don't know why my case was not considered more yesterday. Even if I am a jackass it was pretty legit. Just look at how at D1 rayn and Eden read the game. It was the same. Maybe I should have used these reads in my case from Eden: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2015 12:48 Eden1892 wrote: This is about where I am. raynpelikoneet is confirmed town. This doesn't need explanation. rsoultin is still confirmed town to me. She is the only person I would say I can read based on writing style with nearly-perfect accuracy. Studying her play when I coached her and then playing a few games with her, and getting to see her play as both alignments, has made me really good at making this read. If I try to push a tone read despite in-game evidence on anyone else then you can probably ignore me but do not make this mistake when I read rsoultin this way. I have gotten that good at it. (Yes I know lame digs about Horn of Africa go here, I've figured it out since then.) Koshi is mega town. I might still be sleeping on his mafia game from a lack of experience with it, but this is night and day compared to his mafia games I've seen. He's heavily invested in all of the discussions going on and his scumhunting is really focused. I haven't liked the content of some of his pushes; I feel like he gets tunnel-vision and tends to depreciate his arguments. But it still all checks out. He also caught JAT, so there's that. marvellosity is mega town. This is based mainly off of two things: our thought on prplhz and his interaction with JAT. Regarding prplhz we had a mindmeld, although the record isn't going to show that cleanly. You can find where marv asked aloud why prplhz was voting ray the entire day during this phase; I had the same thought right before I read him saying that, but I had to do something at work and couldn't post to confirm it until a little bit later. My mindmelds pretty much never happen with mafia and I refuse to lynch them. The other bit that might be more convincing to the rest of y'all is his interaction with JAT. I described it as "kid gloves" - marv seemed unusually deferential and lenient on JAT when (IMO anyway) JAT wasn't playing well. It occurred to me that marv would really only do this as mafia if JAT were town. He doesn't want to look like he's reluctantly going with the flow when a partner is up for lynch; he either does his best to steer the lynch elsewhere or he commits to busing his partner, but he's almost scared to be in the middle ground where he's acknowledging that his partner looks bad but isn't trying to kill the partner. That's where I felt he was with JAT virtually the entire day. I have to admit I've been unimpressed with his pushes thus far, but he doesn't have to do that to be town. LightningStrike is probably town. His play this game just seems like typical town LightningStrike to me. Clear efforts to be helpful, original questioning, digging into previous games to cite evidence to support himself. I don't think I'm lynching him. ritoky is probably town on further reflection. There seemed to be a brief window where the lynch was in question, with ray, ritoky and JAT as the three wagons. JAT was very animated about getting people who weren't committed against him or ray to vote for ritoky over him. I think it was Koshi who called it the "time when JAT had hope" of not being lynched, and he spent an awful lot of it trying to get ritoky lynched. The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse. (No offense ritoky, it's not that you're bad, it's that JAT has arguably the best scumside game of anyone currently active on TL Mafia.) So JAT busing isn't out of the question. And it's not like ritoky has played a scintillating obvtown game either. But the reason this is more likely town is simple - if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched? It's too glaring an inconsistency to ignore, so I think ritoky is probably town. prplhz is an anomaly. He was the first one to call out JAT on his town reads, which stuck out to me because it was a pretty insightful point that turned out to be correct. He also had a couple of pretty insightful interjections into some heated debates. (My bias is showing here, but at one point Koshi and LS were calling me a liar and mafia respectively for saying my phone was taken away at work, and prplhz was the only person with the common sense to say "or maybe he's saying this cause it's the truth.") But he's also had sparse thread presence, and despite making an insightful observation about JAT's early townreads, he proceeds never to actually vote JAT and afk's onto the now-confirmed medic. He's in my POE lynch list but I'm hoping I can get some more out of him d2. Palmar is a complete null right now and will probably remain that way until he starts playing for real. I'm looking elsewhere for my targets tomorrow but if he gets lynched tomorrow that wouldn't bother me. Onegu is a complete null right now and will probably remain that way until he starts playing for real. I'm looking elsewhere for my targets tomorrow but if he gets lynched tomorrow that wouldn't bother me. Damdred still seems like a pretty good pick for mafia. I still feel that the core of my case against him during d1 stands. His flip on me seems fabricated to fit thread sentiment; it's really bizarre that a player as generally attentive and precise as Damdred is (when town) could just look at my big reads list and immediately call it really townie, then suddenly realize he didn't notice all of the "problems" with it and think that my filter is actually really bad. He kept harping on some question I allegedly didn't answer back in the first half of d1, but then when we're talking last night he asks me about rsoultin and then never actually broaches the question from before. Seems like if it were so important that he scumread me for not answering it that he would ask it directly again to try to get an answer, no? I also felt like he was insufficiently uncertain with his town reads early in the game; there's no meta point for me to raise like prplhz did with JAT, but he called a lot of people town really fast. He had a pretty solid vote count analysis that he posted earlier and the only thing missing to wrap it up was that he's mafia lol. I think I'm lynching this guy tomorrow. Because these reads are closer to the reads over rayn in time. The ones I used had 24h between them. But still.... These reads should have been enough to knock out both Eden and rayn on their dumb tunnel yesterday. But I cannot blame rayn like I said, because he was right the entire game and it is hard to get out a tunnel then. rayn is town guys. He is town for how he played the game. He simply is not mafia. I will say it once, he could be mafia. BUT I also could be mafia. Like... prplhz could be another godfather. Yes, in rayn his case it is a bit more plausible. But he is NOT MAFIA. rayn was not killed N1 because both marv and Palmar tested the waters on his claim and mafia didn't want to gamble and thought it was a possibility that rayn was not a medic and would get protection. Blue claims like that solve itself after a night and why shoot rayn and risk a extra ml for town. If rayn is Veteran he also would have cc. rsoultin kill was because of her reads. Come on guys.... We are veterans. Why are we on D4 not lynching the guy who gets incriminated heavily by the nk on N1? Not only because he is a scumread, but because all others are townreads... I don't understand. Eden and rayn read each other town during D1, rsoultin reads them town. It are all good reads. If you read the reasoning it is legit. If you read the filters you see it is all legit. Just kill Palmar. I can't understand that when everything breaths Palmar is mafia, we entertain the idea rayn or Eden are scum... I just can't understand. About Palmar... He is mafia for many reasons inside his filter as well. Do not read what is in his towncase, read what is not in it. I am sure that if Eden and rayn would have read their own filters from D1 yesterday that they would not have lynched each other. Simply because there are convictions in there and reads in there that are good, that would help them. Palmar does not have that. He has a smart comment on his mafia buddies sometimes and is more than happy enough to put them into the towncase, but that is it. He has nothing that clears rayn or Eden. Or him in conjunction with them. Palmar his towncase is about his mafia buddies and how he says smart things about them and waffling about marv. But what is MISSING? It is missing a direction towards the mafia who is left. It has nothing in it. Because there is nothing. Palmar has not tried to find the remaining mafia since Onegu got lynched. At the start of D4 he said it could be rayn, but he never gave reasons, and there are no reasons somewhere in his filter. He never gave reasoning (except low sex rating) and he moved away from rayn mafia and reasoning into his towncase on himself... Just because marv and Eden were going to do his work for him. Palmar also has nothing in his filter that would have helped him yesterday find mafia between rayn and Eden. I am sure again, that if Eden would have read their own filter he wouldn't have gone to fairyland yesterday and started rambling about framers and shit. He would not have. Eden had so many townie things in his filter, clearing him from shooting rsoultin. Because the townread on each other and the happy faces etc etc. He wouldn't have done it. Oh well. His mistake. rayn wouldn't have shot rsoultin. It is not because rayn was not killed it means rayn killed rsoultin. There was no reason for rayn to kill rsoultin. I was scumreading rsoultin, rsoultin was scumreading the wrong people if rayn is mafia, it doesn't make sense for scumrayn to kill rsoultin and then put pressure on Onegu D2. This all doesn't make sense. Saving Onegu would be the only thing why rayn killed rsoultin. PALMAR on the other hand... I have explained this enough.... He could have thought that rayn was not medic. He tried to get a blueclaim out of it. Let's entertain the idea Palmar thought x was the medic or had a chance to, he doesn't kill rayn, Palmar claims vigi, and x might reveal he is the medic. I am not saying that was the plan to go, but it wouldn't have hurt mafia!Palmar. And he weaseled his way out of his vigi claim. | ||
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But for me this game was never about lynching rayn on D4. So both Eden and Palmar just had to die. I didn't care which way it went. Eden somewhere crossed a line he could be mafia grasping at straws, but I guess he was still town. I stand by the fact he shouldn't have gone to fairyland and started his insane theories about framers and shouldn't read Palmar as 100% town, especially given his own filter D1. And the really terrible towncase from PAlmar, it's not that there is no effort from Palmar, it is that his towncase does not make him town. I know all the posts he uses and I decided he was not town for them, combining them in 1 case just makes me remember all the posts not in them. Like sheeping Eden D1 off JAT. It is not mentioned how Palmar had a townread on Eden D1 or something and therefore rayn is mafia. Something like that would make me reconsider Palmar. But he can't make a towncase like that because he isn't town and that isn't his goal. To find mafia, to find the reasoning to find mafia in his own filter. His sole reasoning to make his towncase is 100% mafia motivated. And for a townie it would only be 50%, while the other 50% is nowhere it be seen. | ||
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No. I don't get it. It is impossible. | ||
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![]() Never should have killed me. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:07 Palmar wrote: You, need to really really stop being a stubborn unreasonable asshole to people who are trying to talk to you. Yes. This might be good advice. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:34 rsoultin wrote: lol koshi >> i <3 you koshi but you make me see red >< I can't control my powers. Soz. | ||
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The real atrocity was the set-up. But it didnt' come into effect sadly enough. I wonder if marv died, holyflare died and somebodies mother died. | ||
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On March 24 2015 21:29 marvellosity wrote: also framer/gf is disgusting hosting choice. | ||
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On March 24 2015 21:31 marvellosity wrote: cop vs framer/gf/miller in a 12 man setup is just a straight up bastard setup. | ||
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On March 24 2015 21:33 marvellosity wrote: it just is. you have a 12 player setup which is already a little bit mafia sided then you put in one role which actually receives bad information more often than it receives good information. really terrible. It's not that it gives bad information more often, it is that nobody ever in history of TL mafia found it necessary to add 3 anti cop roles in a 12 player setup. So when town would have lynched the gf and miller, there is just no way you assume there is going to be a framer. It just shouldn't even cross your mind. That's the power of a blue role. But due to excellent play of townies it was considered, which only happened because the excellent play of both parties. But why would you even start a 9 vs 3 with 2 powerroles working for town and 2.5 powerroles working for mafia? If there was another blue on the townside I would kinda understand a cop. Because the claimvalue of a blue makes up for the miss information somehow. But 2 vs 2.5? Not balanced. | ||
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On March 24 2015 21:36 marvellosity wrote: Koshi, I'm sorry for being a dick to you. But you were a dick to me, and you were a dick to me when I was trying to be right, which is the most annoying time of all to be a dick. I agree that the next time I am a dick to you I should try to be at least right about something. | ||
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By flaming each other in game we prevent a grudge. Good stuff. | ||
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I apologize as well for being a dick. ![]() | ||
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On March 26 2015 03:38 iGrok wrote: Agreed. This setup looks fine to me. The problem is that you guys are treating cop checks like they mean something, when really they don't. If you have a framer, godfather, and unaware miller, and a town RB, cop checks don't give you better than 50% chance of being accurate - at which point you're just as well off flipping a coin. So really, this setup is somewhere between 8vt+1tracker and 8vt+1jailkeeper vs 3 mafia, which is pretty reasonable You do realize town didn't know the setup right? framer + gf is unprecedented. It was only "logical" that after the gf and miller flipped town assumed that the check should be respected. | ||
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On March 26 2015 08:02 kitaman27 wrote: There have actually been 15 games on TL with the framer + godfather combo, which is almost half of the total games with framers. Hosts are cruel individuals ![]() Must be back in 2009 when town had those 5 wins 15 loss ratings in 9 vs 3. Or it were +20 player games. I understand that town won this game. But come on.. Framer, gf and miller... If town knew the set-up nobody would give too many fucks about the copchecks. But in this case town didn't know and I didn't see a set-up like this in the lat 2 years. But town won. | ||
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