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Eden1892
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mafia never do that, god bless im confirmed town | ||
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Eden1892
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ray is 100% town fecalfeast 100% town prplhz 100% town me 100% town just leaves palmar marv and koshi. koshi loudly yelled not to lynch me (but that onegu was town oopzzzzz (i know that feel bro)), marv sheeped FF onto the godfather when he could have lynched me, palmar tried to lynch me and then moved on marv last second for fun palmar probably the last mafia | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 14 2015 20:58 Onegu wrote: All righty then! Thoughts on palmar? I can basicly never read him. As far as I can tell he "trolls" as both alignments. On March 15 2015 09:59 Onegu wrote: I'm VT! Plus I am playing. Convince me on Palmar, as I am currently hardcore on prplhz. That being said I can never read palmar and he is squarely in the null pile for me. On March 15 2015 10:48 Onegu wrote: Yeah I'm fine with this, would prefer a prplhz lynch but yeah. I can never get a good read on Palmar in any game. On March 16 2015 09:32 Onegu wrote: I have the blue claims as town Rayn and Marv as town Leaves Eden Palmar Prplhz Prplhz is my biggest scum read. Eden looks townie but something is just off to me. And palmar I can never read. Onegu's only 4 posts where he offers any explanation of his read on Palmar. Cliffs: - He can't read Palmar - He can't read Palmar, he asks someone he constantly scumread to convince him that Palmar is mafia - He can't read Palmar - He can't read Palmar Somehow though he never actually finds the time to have a conversation with anyone about Palmar's alignment Somehow though of the 3 people he wants to lynch he always finds time to want to lynch the 2 that aren't Palmar | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 10 2015 17:24 justanothertownie wrote: roflroflrofl This game hasn't become more interesting since yesterday. At least I like rsoultin, Eden and Palmar so far. And another person I am not telling. huehuehue Would policy lynch ritoky for keeping an mediocre joke alive for ages. Would also policy lynch slam (unfortunately not that easy). hey remember when we said maybe jat had one scum in his townreads? hue On March 17 2015 21:02 Palmar wrote: I believe Onegu is mafia + Show Spoiler [vote_counts_since_this_quote] + On March 18 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/061pSb5.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Qf1FYvm.png) On March 18 2015 05:59 Holyflare wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/J0rvgcb.png) On March 18 2015 06:09 Holyflare wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nN0wl6j.png) On March 18 2015 06:27 Holyflare wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WB0Ckvy.png) On March 18 2015 06:45 Hapahauli wrote: Onegu (1): raynpelikoneet prplhz (4): Onegu, Koshi, marvellosity, FecalFeast Marvellosity (2): Palmar, Eden1892 Koshi (1): prplhz Currently prplhz is set to be lynched! On March 18 2015 06:50 Hapahauli wrote: Onegu (2): FecalFeast, prplhz prplhz (1): Koshi Marvellosity (1): Eden1892 Eden1892 (4): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, Onegu, Palmar Currently Eden1892 is set to be lynched! On March 18 2015 06:56 Hapahauli wrote: Onegu (2): FecalFeast, prplhz prplhz (1): Koshi Marvellosity (1): Eden1892 Eden1892 (4): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, Onegu, Palmar Currently Eden1892 is set to be lynched! On March 18 2015 06:58 Hapahauli wrote: Onegu (4): FecalFeast, prplhz, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity prplhz (1): Koshi Marvellosity (1): Eden1892 Eden1892 (2): Onegu, Palmar Currently Onegu is set to be lynched! For clarification, any vote at :00 will not count. [/SPOILER] ayy lmao | ||
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Eden1892
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point is lynch Palmar tomorrow | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 18 2015 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean, other people at least seem to be trying to figure out what is right and what is wrong, Eden is just saying what is right or wrong and never trying to figure out anything. What the hell? Yes I am trying to figure out what's right and wrong. | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 18 2015 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like there are some things i find really townie in Palmar's play: - I liked his vote on Eden at the start of D2, because i think that is one of the reasons Eden is mafia (the extra information thing). However he doesn't pursue it. Why? Like he clearly thinks that was the case, why does he drop it? - I also liked when he tried to make you work with him on D3. I found that out to come as natural and reasonable. But again, when people actually start doing shit (mainly when prplhz comes back to the thread) he goes back to just saying "marv is scum" or whatever dumb stuff that doesn't really help. This has literally never been even halfway right God I hope you're nightkilled cuz you're confirmation biased on me beyond helping | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 18 2015 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i said before Eden really reminds me of myself a couple years ago. And i know this type of play, if you are town you'd rather lynch yourself over someone you think is town just to show people they are bad regardless of if you are right or wrong. Like all the elements are there. But the final stance is missing. HELL to the no. I have never ever been mislynched. I will never ever be mislynched. I know I am town, so if it's between me and a town read I'm going to vote the town read because (a) I can be wrong on a town read whereas I can never be wrong about myself, and (b) I am never going to contribute to my own mislynch. Pretty much the only exception is if I just get hella mad for some dumb reason and basically quit the game but it's never happened and I don't think it will | ||
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Eden1892
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don't think he evfer explains why prplhz seems "productive", especially more productive than he was in Titanic. Elaboration would be nice. The answer is not "because he questioned my vote on JAT" because that post was obviously questionable. I don't remember now exactly what made me say it at the time. I want to say he had been looking at outside games by this point and making points based on them, but I don't remember if he actually had been or not. My comparison to Titanic was also based on a really limited recollection since I spent basically 0 time on that game. There isn't any way I can answer this at this point that I couldn't also do as mafia, but if you're particularly curious I can go back and look at what he was saying to try to remember what gave me that recollection. Meh, Eden actually tried real hard to get ritokyl lynched with his scumread JAT. I don't really how he goes from JAT being his top scumread to ritoky on D1. Because of something JAT said? There should be quite much natural resistance against when your top scumread makes a case on someone upon being lynched. Unless the case is really good, which clearly was not the point here as the case was "ritoky is not playing". I don't think that is a good enough case to trust in Eden's situation here, as itis an obvious case to make for mafia!JAT. Probably not. I am notoriously easy to distract with other cases, especially ones directed at people who aren't trying hard. It's a big weakness of mine and why I was adamant on not engaging JAT in the first place until he had invalidated what had made my initial read on him correct. I also do not understand how Eden goes from "ritoky is the best lynch, if not D1 i am lynching him D2" into "I'm not bragging on JAT cause I wavered but I am totally pushing my credit for Damdred if he flips scum. We should sheep my case on him tomorrow" into -> "Damdred is my best pick. After that it's probably Onegu. That's all I got right now". ... Like i know ritoky was town and all that shit but this is just not natural. Because either Eden (from town perspective) didn't give a fuck if he lynches a townie or mafia on D1 if he thinks exactly one of JAT/ritoky is scum, or he thought both of them are scum, which makes this even more scummy. Yeah it is natural. It's not reasonable or good but if you were to go back and look at any towngame of mine, this happens all the time. It's part of what's so disappointing and frustrating about this game, I've played with so many players in this game several times but for some reason the same thing I always do is getting scumread when it's normally just auto-townread. It's like people just woke up one day and it dawned on them that my reads and votes move like they're scattered on the wind or something. I definitely care about lynching mafia but I'm really easy to dissuade off of me. Look at Horn of Africa if you have time, I caught rsoultin in a scumslip d1 and caught her for her tone and then let myself be talked away from it until after I died. It's really frustrating because when I'm on, I feel like I'm as good at this game as any of the best players, but I'm never on consistently enough to actually make the leap into that status. Furthermore in his reads list on N1 he gives all the reasons for ritoky to be mafia in this instance, and ends up in a conclusion "ritoky is town"?!?!?! I'm not entirely sure if that's the case, but even if it is, go check early in my filter in Imperial Mafia (don't worry it's a short filter and probs on 1st pg) where I did literally the exact same thing with DrHelvetica (who was also town). It is also nothing I can't do as mafia, but there's prior precedent for me doing it as town that should be relevant here. I don't know if i am reading too much into this and it bothers me because i KNOW i have been right on this kinda stuff before. But everyone seems to be disagreeing with me as "rsoultin was Eden's top town read yadda yadda" whatever he gave as an explanation. I just do not see why he would make that post, ever, as town. I'm really still not sure what you mean here. The only original angle I can think of on this is that you think I believed Palmar shooting rsoultin too easily because I'm mafia and knew we didn't kill her... but then you have to know that without a vig in the game this can't be the case, right? All the other stuff around the blues that I said d2 was already debunked as scum and I don't feel like revisiting it unless that's what you mean to talk about. I don't even know why?? He never explains why Damdred is no more mafia. He never explains why Onegu is no more mafia, he just "doesn't even care about Onegu" anymore. Maybe it's the dumb VT claim, which, again, has been there for fucking ages. Well okay, he explains them later. So Damdred did this AtE thing and Onegu claimed VT. rofl. Those things are really easy to do as mafia, rage, or write some words. Fuck i don't know, maybe Eden iss town after all it seems consistent with his line of thinking during the game regarding other things.... I don't think I could flip out like that as mafia unless it's directly about being lynched. I can't fake anger. Nothing else about it is anything I couldn't do as mafia, yes. I wouldn't chalk Damdred's thing up to just an appeal to emotion though. Maybe that's all it is for you but the thing about different playstyles really rang true to me because I tried to do that d1 as well. And yeah the Onegu thing is retarded in hindsight, my b. I'm glad he broke that forever because it pissed me off that he had that in his pocket at all. For reference, this was around the time I last met with my irl mafia group, where there's an infestation of people pseudo-claiming town at game start with stuff like making clear their positive reactions to receiving their card... hell there was a guy who had a townseal where he fucking stood up. It's fucking stupid, but the thing is that the EV of breaking it in the long run is almost certainly lower than the EV of not breaking it, so it is rational to accept it at face value, as fucking stupid as it is. So I was pretty unreasonably willing to believe the VT thing and also unreasonably mad that it happened. I feel like I said something like this before? Don't care to find it lol idk, someone help me out here? I really don't know what to think of this. This kinda reminds me of myself when i started playing mafia but way worse. It seems like Eden does shit for no reason and changes his mind for no reason. I know he is a hardcore busser. So he probably has balls to say whatever shit he evercomes up with as mafia. I don't care about meta here, i want to understand why Eden does these things if he is town because i refuse just believe someone is incapable of doing irrational things as mafia.... It isn't for no reason, but yes, I move really quickly. There's always some kind of purpose to it, it's just not always good. I do this because I'm sensitive to stagnant states, both in a game of mafia and in my regular life. You know how most people are afraid of change? I'm afraid of not-change. It's a big thing for me. Stagnation is depressing and makes me feel like I'm trapped or stuck in something and can't get out. I hate routines. I never take the same path home from work that I took going to work and it's not at all uncommon for me to add hours to my commute home just going to some place I saw on the way and hanging out there. So how's that relate to mafia? Well, as mafia, I never get invested in games. I try but it just doesn't happen. There's no mystery to solve and I get no enjoyment out of deceiving and manipulating people, so it's just waiting around to get lynched. I know how to do it, but I can never find the motivation. And for my town game, the good side about it (ideally) is that I'm never going to lose because I got tunneled into the same vision of the game state. Those stagnant games where people just afk lynch whoever every turn don't happen when I play. The bad thing (as you're seeing) is that I move around way too much. I tried to be disciplined about it this game but just got scumread for it, so I felt like I had to go back to my more unfettered playing style just to get anything done (which also hasn't been successful). So can we please stop scumreading Eden for literally the same shit he has always done every town game forever? I don't even know how to answer some of these charges because it's like "Well ok, I get that, but I do this all the time as town! Doesn't that mean anything??" | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 18 2015 23:53 marvellosity wrote: Eden, was there a reason you read Damdred town beyond the whiny thing he did? Well there was one other thing, but I guess since FF nipped it in the bud I can say it now. He softed a PR at one point. Look in his filter for where he mentions a roleblocker, I responded to it but quickly realized I was being dumb for calling any attention to it. That's about when I started being loud about his change, because it was something that (a) convinced ME and (b) I figured people would listen to and not notice that I had accidentally-maybe-kinda outed him as a PR. | ||
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Eden1892
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Palmar I don't think you said anything about my research in the night. It implicates you pretty strongly in my mind. What do you have to say about it? Also marv just cuz Onegu is a busser doesn't mean he always busses. I will need to look at his past games but I've seen Onegu be mafia once or twice before. I don't remember him bussing a partner the whole time and not ever doing anything else. | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 19 2015 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: My post you answered already. I don't buy it. Your answer to me reads like "i don't do these things as scum, only as town" which does not really say why you did those things in this game. Also who is mafia and why? Palmar for all the stuff I said in a row last night Rest to come when I'm home soon | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 19 2015 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: My post you answered already. I don't buy it. Your answer to me reads like "i don't do these things as scum, only as town" which does not really say why you did those things in this game. Also who is mafia and why? Ok back to this. What specifically? Obviously you feel I didn't answer satisfactorily but I feel like I did, so this is probably just going to lead to me repeating the same unsatisfying answers thinking they're satisfactory. What specific instances of things I did do you want explained? @marv, I didn't think I was going to get my lynch and defaulted back to someone who I instinctively felt was town but logically thought was probably mafia. I couldn't think of any compelling response to the observation that he only seemed to have a couple of townreads and no suspects, so I figured my instinct was wrong. It wasn't. That post where I said "watch him flip town" or whatever was me expressing frustration with the fact that I couldn't verbalize why I felt he was town. I guess I can see why an outside observer would think that sequence is weird, but don't tell me you've never been in a situation where you felt something was true but couldn't explain it, because everybody deals with that all the time in-game and in life in general | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 19 2015 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure where you (or marv) are getting with this but: Onegu bussed (similar to JAT in this game on D1) batsnacks quite hardcore in his last mafia game. marv is arguing Onegu busses hard and thus that I shouldn't just assume prplhz is town. I need to look at his previous games and see for myself, I guess. It just seems counterintuitive that someone would bus as hard as Onegu did unnecessarily. As a counterexample, you consider me a pretty hard busser too, but I try to bus only out of necessity. I think bussing is fundamentally suboptimal and bad mafia play. You just saw me go balls to the wall with it because (a) early on both of my partners were in everyone's very short POE list and (b) later on I was the lynch and I wanted to distance after I was caught. Both of those situations are shit for mafia. I don't think I have any mafia games here where I've been in a good situation (in part because of motivation issues I cited earlier), so I don't really have counterexamples unfortunately. All that to say that I thought prplhz is unlikely to be mafia because it seems weird to me that Onegu would bus so (in my mind) suboptimally so unnecessarily. But again, I need to go look at Onegu's other games to verify I guess, because I wasn't aware that he had that much of a rep. (And yeah, I know, people have been saying it in-thread, I just didn't register the magnitude of it I suppose.) | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 19 2015 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden: - why do you give reasons for ritoky to be mafia with JAT then read him town? - why did you want to lynch ritoky on D1 with your scumread JAT? - why do you instantly vote for Palmar for his claim on D2? - On D2 you HC scumread Damdred and Onegu, then you go to Palmar + marv being mafia. Why? - also what marv asked you In order:
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Eden1892
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On March 19 2015 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: but i want to talk about this. why was i mafia at some point if this is what you think? N1 actions were weird enough to make me believe something weird was going on. Your point is good though. | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 19 2015 04:38 Eden1892 wrote: N1 actions were weird enough to make me believe something weird was going on. Your point is good though. (which is to say I have no good answer for not thinking of this earlier :/ sorry) | ||
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On March 19 2015 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: well you're not going to be nightkilled so step up then. now gimme a sec to answer your post before. Trying. I might be laggy in replying, tbh I feel like a lot of my responses are gonna boil down to "Sorry I suck this game" and that hurts my ego so I'm doing VCA instead | ||
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so I don't know what to say about that without rereading my filter to find it. If you can tell me where you found it and save me the time of digging through all my shitty posts to find it, I'd appreciate it. I think I've explained why I went off of Damdred already - his changing-style thing rang true and then he softed a PR. Sorry if that's not satisfying enough but that's what it is and I don't have anything else to say about it. I moved through a lot of people to get to Palmar and marv being mafia, it was primarily POE plus not feeling like they were obvious town at the time. I moved around a lot on d2 and I don't really remember all of it either. 
