EPTXXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) - Page 196
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Doesn't matter. I am voting you off. And I dont' think I will get more than 20 posts in this phase. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:10 Koshi wrote: Since when does that stop you? Doesn't matter. I am voting you off. And I dont' think I will get more than 20 posts in this phase. Since like... forever. While somewhat outdated because I'm aware of it, one of my massive towntells is that I get confused, hedge my bets and in general am very uncertain and tentative when I'm town, the exception is when I set my mind to something "I'm going to get this lynch." As mafia I used to overplay my hand in terms of confidence quite a bit. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: PALMAR IS NOT MAFIA! Can you explain why? | ||
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Palmar
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote Onegu <3 So what about my points was wrong.? You have read me wrong in the past. Hogwarts neat and tidy down under. I always read you correctly and haven't been wrong on you, and my reasons for reading you town are all legit. So why am I scum again Rayn? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:06 Palmar wrote: Doesn't work. The difference between us is that you're not allowed to be wrong about my alignment. Even if you are town, it's reasonable for me to think it's you. It is not reasonable for you to think it's me. If nothing else, the point I made about LS back on day 1 that you agreed with should be enough for you to think I'm town. that's all you have... you're not allowed to do what you're doing, no. you're not allowed to fake-talk yourself into calling me town, where for some reason you say more than once "fuck it he has to be town" or words to that effect. And then you're going with the simple solution but now the solution is marv+1? then this post as a cheap cop out of "i am allowed to call you mafia, you are not allowed to call me mafia" no. You can try convince me about rayn though, I'm totes up for that. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:15 marvellosity wrote: that's all you have... you're not allowed to do what you're doing, no. you're not allowed to fake-talk yourself into calling me town, where for some reason you say more than once "fuck it he has to be town" or words to that effect. And then you're going with the simple solution but now the solution is marv+1? Well, think about it. If I somehow got shot, however unlikely, I wanted people to take a hard look at you. If I survive, I get to stay in the game to actually make an informed decision. It's completely logical to do exactly what I did. On March 16 2015 07:15 marvellosity wrote: then this post as a cheap cop out of "i am allowed to call you mafia, you are not allowed to call me mafia" no. Why not? That is how it almost always goes between us. In fact just yesterday you said I was townie for the way I treated you. I am allowed to call you mafia, and this treatment you're giving me makes you more likely to be one. I am allowed to do exactly what I'm doing because it's exactly what I do when I'm town. You know this marv. How are you going to react? On March 16 2015 07:15 marvellosity wrote: You can try convince me about rayn though, I'm totes up for that. I don't think I wanna. I know I have a massive sweet spot for people who are reasonable when it comes to my alignment (think Damdred in Imperial), but I still can't make myself double think the fact that he has correctly determined my alignment. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
"i know as town i call you mafia. so i can call you mafia for free. you cannot call me mafia" there is no reason you can't say this as mafia. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
I did already. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:21 marvellosity wrote: essentially what you are saying is "i know as town i call you mafia. so i can call you mafia for free. you cannot call me mafia" there is no reason you can't say this as mafia. Yes! Exactly! This is both what I'm saying and there is no reason I can't say this as mafia. HOWEVER: There is also no reason I can't say this as town. So by definition you should not be voting to lynch me for this. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:14 Onegu wrote: <3 So what about my points was wrong.? You have read me wrong in the past. Hogwarts neat and tidy down under. I always read you correctly and haven't been wrong on you, and my reasons for reading you town are all legit. So why am I scum again Rayn? I don't care if i have read you wrong or right (in fact in neat and tidy i read you right when koshi was as ass). You have nothing to say except "rayn is town". That makes you scun. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:26 Palmar wrote: Yes! Exactly! This is both what I'm saying and there is no reason I can't say this as mafia. HOWEVER: There is also no reason I can't say this as town. So by definition you should not be voting to lynch me for this. Sure I can. You went through this rigmarole of a progressively stronger townread on me. then you throw it away based on the ritoky flip. It doesn't make sense - sure ritoky was wrong, but I was absolutely the person who tried to push the game forward during Day 2 there's no reason for you to be suddenly calling me mafia. "i do it as town" isn't one of them. Actually you don't call me mafia, ever, when you are town, when you have declared me town with some certainty. Normally you hedge your bets forever. If you ever actually call me town, that is your read. you've never gone back on it | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:21 marvellosity wrote: why do you ignore all my towntells? Because of that blink song. There are multiple small weird things about you. I'll name the ones I have off the top of my head. 1) The rsoultin kill incriminates you (I know this is bad and terrible but stay with me). If we think about the possible kills during that night the only other viable one would be rayn. Koshi is probably getting medic protected, I am trolling and being shit, Eden was shit day 1 etc etc. You are the sensible night 1 kill. If I am mafia I shoot you every time there. 2) You said that you would not have lead the JAT wagon lead for so long without doing something about it or jumping on it to gain credit. Maybe my assumptions are off, but I really disagreed with you on that. I just didn't have the energy to argue with you at the time and I was not sure (I'm still not). I would expect you to do EXACTLY this, basically don't rock the boat too much and see if JAT could turn it around, then hop on if he was dying anyway. 3) You have not been assertive or made any hard reads this game except on two people, one of them is ritoky which was quite wrong, and the other is prplhz. Hard reading koshi and LS town doesn't really count because well, it's easy as fuck, hell the LS read was MY read. 4) talking about the hard reads, you were wrong on ritoky. I know you are occasionally wrong but you seem rather unfazed by it. I also have a hard time believing you'd be wrong on ritoky, then turn around and be wrong on me next, after not having lead town on day 1. This would be your third "shit" day in a row. 5) You did explain your prplhz read, I never double checked it. However I did notice that the substantial parts of the read that I actually believe, all came long after you had started townreading him. That being said, the parts I didn't really care about, the metrics, did in fact happen before you made your read for the most part so meh. Still... so many small things. Like Blink182 | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care if i have read you wrong or right (in fact in neat and tidy i read you right when koshi was as ass). You have nothing to say except "rayn is town". That makes you scun. That's not all I am saying, I am saying prplhz is scum. His 180 on me, plus how he has been completely forgettable this game is really scummy. Going to go into more detail about this later. ##Vote: prplhz | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
What changed between this post and now, it's not like your small things come up after this, they are all before you posted this | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
##vote: raynpelikoneet fine, i'm out. the game is a wash. the only way it's of any use to me is if i was right all along. all those points are stupid. Like you literally explained how you are non-committal as town. I am the fucking same! Am I supposed to cry over ritoky's death? You know I always use metrics and heuristics to read people. Why is this new? And using my non-death on N1 is just disgusting. And yet this still all ignores all my massive towntells. My enormous filter which is so much bigger than Imperial it's not even on the same scale. The obvious investment. The fact I called Koshi a cunt (I talk in many games how i would not let myself be so rude as mafia, and it's always true). Actively trying to work shit out yesterday, like I never sit there trying to actively solve the game as mafia, and if you say that isn't what I was doing I do not know what to say. whatever, really. | ||
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