EPTXXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) - Page 16
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Eden1892
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Eden1892
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On March 13 2015 11:16 Damdred wrote: To say that. Honestly you decided to push with your scum read onto rit. I just don't get it that's fucking dumb. if i wanted to save my teammate i wouldn't have been vocal about not lynching ray i don't see how you can possibly be town playing this bad | ||
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Eden1892
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(1) i thought ray was town (2) while mostly thinking jat was scum, i started to talk to him (after you chuckleheads got on my ass for not doing so BY THE WAY) (3) jat convinced me that while he was still dirty he wasn't the best lynch, since he showed some promise of posting more while ritoky never showed promise of doing anything (4) therefore while being quite alright with a jat lynch (as i said repeatedly) i decided to try to kill ritoky instead if i'm mafia there are 2 things that never happen there: (1) i don't talk to jat the way i do. go read that interaction. if you think it's mafia-mafia you are officially overloaded with confirmation bias and need to take an hour break before trying again. rinse repeat until you no longer think it's mafia-mafia (2) i don't ever make my biggest point throughout the discussion that my partner's big counterwagon shouldn't be the lynch | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 13 2015 11:24 Damdred wrote: Lol badly? I'm pointing out actual inconsitincies in your play and btw you pushed a lynch or tried to off a team mate onto a townie. Still doesn't excuse the fact that Eden chose to push with his scun read onto two different players and you aren't explaining why what fucking inconsistency? what the fuck are you even talking about? do i need to define inconsistency for you? i told you exactly what happened already. how the fuck are you this dense the WHOLE TIME i said that jat was in my top suspects. the WHOLE TIME. the WHOLE TIME i said that jat's main counterwagon was town. i ended up concluding after jat started playing and giving reads that lynching ritoky, who i ALSO thought was mafia, was a better decision, because ritoky wasn't going to give us anything. if we want to talk inconsistencies, how the fuck did you read my big reads post and go "yep mhm town eden" and then as SOON as koshi starts getting on me you basically go "oh wow there's actually all these problems with eden's game"??? how'd that happen damdred? | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 13 2015 11:29 Damdred wrote: Like I'm trying to figure out why Eden did what he did while hrs yelling at me for being fucking bad when he's been horribly biased and wrong for almost the whole game against me while I'm trying to objectively point things out that are important to me. oh yeah horribly biased and wrong let's see - JAT's alignment: got it right!! and before anyone but koshi did to boot. the only reason I didn't ride this wagon the whole day is because you idiots went full retard on me for "not interacting" and then I let myself be suckered into not voting JAT after talking to him - rsoultin's alignment: got it right!! 100% right the whole way! wow so bad what a terrible player right | ||
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i'm going back to my early style of posting where i don't post much and am right on all my reads and i'm not flooding the thread with rage spam | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 13 2015 12:05 Damdred wrote: Whatever I had a long post typed out but Eden isn't worth my time or my anger over going full retard if town. Literally when someone acts like robik II just ignore them and this is what we've come to. Total bias at least I have some regard of self awareness when I've played meh, I've been slightly above meh. Good job Eden good job lol you have not been "slightly above meh." please. i know i haven't played great, but that doesn't change how terrible some of the "points" brought against me have been | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 13 2015 11:59 LightningStrike wrote: Eden what will it take for us to make you post without raging? probably people either calling me town and discussing other things, or actually making a point i can respond to against me, would be great. i'm just mad because palmar isn't trying to solve the game and keeps calling me mafia for literally 0 reason, and damdred has been dancing around calling me mafia all game, bringing up reasons why he thinks i'm suspicious but never actually directly engaging me about the things he finds weird. like the jat thing for instance, notice he never actually asks me anything about my thought process to understand the things i'm doing that he says are weird. he says it's weird that i pushed ritoky when i was scumreading jat, but he never asks me why i did that. when i did him the courtesy of explaining it anyway, he just calls it inconsistent without explanation and then doesn't ask me about any of the steps i took in my thought process he did this with the reads post i keep talking about as well. he asked me for reads, i gave a big reads post, he says it's a townie post. he doesn't challenge it or contest any bit of it or even ask any further questions about it, he just says it's townie and drops it. then the next morning he suddenly decides it's suspicious because of XYZ things but he again never asks me about those things directly. ^^this is why damdred is probably mafia btw, i didn't mean for that to turn into a case but here we are vote damdred ##VOTE: Damdred | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 13 2015 12:15 Damdred wrote: lololol you mean like how I scum sided and tried to push a lynch off mafia? Or put a pressure vote off mafia and moved it off of him after being seduced by basically nothing...btw what reads and stuff by JAT were so great that convinced you to work with him again? Like literally everything I took to a neutral party to see if what I was saying makes sense wasn't horrible. You need to get over yourself Eden. You want to see terrible points just look at the case you built on me. I didn't scumside, if I had scumsided I wouldn't have said "I am okay with JAT being lynched and we cannot ever lynch the main counterwagon to JAT." I put a pressure vote on JAT that turned into a real vote when he never did anything, and when he started posting reads and ritoky didn't do anything, I decided the better lynch was to go for ritoky. When that didn't happen I went back to the case I built on Damdred d1 because I liked it better. Shrug. The funny thing is that you keep taking stupid potshots at me not lynching JAT, but then where were you the whole time? Not doing anything to figure anyone out. Where are you now? Still not trying to figure anyone out. This post is actually a great example of it. If you're town, what do you gain from making fun of me not being locked in on JAT the whole time? What constructive purpose are you advancing? Nothing. You're just sniping from the sidelines which, for everyone else's convenience, is something rsoultin scumread you for before she was shot by the mafia. And why are you trying to have things both ways, anyway? My big reads list was pretty on-point from the looks of it. You said it was scummy. Then I go do something else that could be argued to contradict it, and you make fun of me for being wrong? Why are my only options being mafia or being wrong? Why won't you leave any room to interpret what I'm doing in a townie light? And before you say I won't do the same for you, I have repeatedly invited you to rebut my case. You just won't. You'd rather snipe at my misplay and call my case terrible without addressing it. If you're town, I don't know what benefit you get from doing this. I think you're just trying to rile me up at this point, and I'm not gonna let you do it. | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 13 2015 12:24 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred and Eden you should lynch Palmar because he's most likely mafia after all my counter claiming stuff at the start of the Day Phase and suggesting a Vig when there was only 1 kill and that was rsoultin. He also wasn't doing much this game and trolled extremely hard and kept on saying Marv is 100% Mafia and wont provide his case on Marv being 100% Mafia and if he's town he would of gave me his case ASAP. This is probably okay. I'm gonna wait to see what marv has to say about Palmar and what ray has to say about the night actions first, and I'm probably not moving off of Damdred right now, but I'll keep it in mind. | ||
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Vote count analysis. Damdred's big post soon after the night started. | ||
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He says he'd like to kill me but he can't really justify it because he thinks I would have bused JAT. Says he's in "a weird spot" because he had townreads on ritoky and marv. Then what does he do after this admittedly pretty good post?
Not bothering to finish this but the gist of the rest is that he talks a bit with ritoky once ritoky starts to play, he briefly does setup spec that isn't alignment-indicative and then he gets into it with me, entirely of my initiative mind. You'll notice the following things are absent from the list: [1] Doing anything to figure out Onegu. [2] Doing anything to pressure his other scum suspects, instead just ignoring his VCA and deciding to townread them anyway. [3] Doing anything to pressure the people he decides are probably mafia instead (rsoultin and me). Also, giving any explanation as to why he decided to throw away the point about JAT townreading rsoultin and me. So Damdred, where's the pressure on me? You said I needed to be pressured because my play was weird. Why haven't you made a single bit of effort to take the initiative in questioning me? If I'm the bad guy and you're town then why am I the one constantly having to take the fight to you? | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 13 2015 13:11 ritoky wrote: oh it's a summary of damdred doing vote analysis and then you just quoting his shit and whining. okay. go look at down under 2 where he literally did the exact same post as town. at the exact same point. congratz. your read on damdred is bad, i already told you why he would be mafia if he is. It's not about the post, it's the complete lack of followup to any of the conclusions within it. He says you, Onegu and marv are the final mafia pool, then he pulls you and marv out and calls you town while never doing anything about Onegu. He says rsoultin and I were weird and needed to be pressured, he never does any of that. I said the analysis post itself was fine. And I know he makes those posts as either alignment. I saw it in Student VI as well. The problem is that there's no followup. That's what makes him suspicious. | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 13 2015 13:22 Damdred wrote: You are terribad if you are town here Eden seriously. Damdred doesn't pressure you or rsoultin hrmmmm. Both of you had strange interactions between yourselves, I pinged out rsoultin day before town read rsoultin and obviously if your interactions are weird and I think one mafia has to be between you it has to be YOU! I've also tried to figure out why you did things, but you decided to go full robik at this point instead of having an actual discussion I asked about the JAT thing and you decided to go full rage mode or full retard idk which. hard to do anything with oneg when he's literally hundred pages behind at points never in thread with me? That's really a non point honestly Like this whole case is bullshit and you should feel bad cause I'm never getting lynched You haven't tried to figure out what I'm doing at all. Here is the comprehensive list of questions you've asked me since you started calling my play weird during n1 and before the post you just replied to: On March 13 2015 08:40 Damdred wrote: You are ignoring Palmar saying he wasn't actually blue I believe? You are not trying to figure out what I'm doing. Don't even try to act like it. This is what you look like when you have someone you think is suspicious and you're trying to figure out what they're doing: On February 27 2015 03:08 Damdred wrote: Well art, what did you think of some of my conclussions and things I drew from my vca? Who do you disagree with most besides yourself or who would you switch yourself with? On February 27 2015 03:17 Damdred wrote: Do you think i'm right on SL and Node? which is more likely do you think? i'm leaning more towards node probably On February 27 2015 03:23 Damdred wrote: Do you not think that snarfs post with all his reads is something mafia probably wouldn't do? Also why did you vote for snarfs with yamato before deciding yamato was town after you had pushed him most of the day? Also he was the primary push on him I believe in the thread at that point. On February 27 2015 03:28 Damdred wrote: It looks like in yoru filter you voted before you looked into yamato? Look at the questions you've asked me since your analysis. Compare them to the questions you've asked Artanis since your analysis. How can you honestly say that you're trying to figure me out with anywhere near the same rigor as you were in that game? | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 13 2015 13:27 Damdred wrote: Udvdjdbgajdifbshsonfhddbsuisicf I've never done. vca as scum never ever ever ever ever ever Lynch all ljars ##vote eden Lyn,h all liars and lynch people that play like robik OK, so change "he does this as both alignments" to "he does this as town" or "he's capable of doing this as either alignment." The thrust of my argument is the same and you know this. | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 13 2015 13:30 Damdred wrote: Lynch all liars, this just in damdred never scum read Eden first. Damdred never was proactive in this game. Lynch all liars, this in folks damdred never called out anything in the thread or tried to do anything. gsbsjdkspdmdnakdoaojfhdkakdl Lynch Eden What are you even doing right now? I am providing you with a detailed citation of your own play and inviting you to show me how the record points to you being town. This after you complained about me "playing like Robik" and not being willing to play like you want. Now I'm playing ball with you and giving you plenty of opportunity to have a civil discussion and this is the best you can come up with? Insulting my mistake in not pushing JAT harder, clear distortions of what I'm saying and incoherent babbling? | ||
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On March 13 2015 13:34 Onegu wrote: Ok I have skimmed everything. The way Eden reacted to Palmars claim was really weird. Then the way he reacted to LS making his blue claim was really weird. I also don't really see Damdred as scum here. His case on Damdred isn't very strong its basicly Damdred isnt solving the game. Eden is shoveling shit on everyone. He has in just day two gone with as mafia: Palmar Rayn Me Ritoky Damdred LS That's over half the player list. He isn't trying to figure the game out just yelling whenever something comes up. I know he changes his reads often, but this game he doesn't change his reads he just drops them to pick them up later, there is a big difference. ##Vote: Eden1892 This guy is very likely mafia too fwiw. I am very clearly trying to figure the game out and I'm being incredibly detailed by my own standards in laying out my arguments. What was weird about my reaction to either claim? Be specific. Why don't you see Damdred as mafia? What's weak about my case on Damdred? Do you disagree that Damdred isn't trying to solve the game, and if so, why do you disagree? If you agree, why do you think that isn't alignment-indicative? Again, specifics. What reads did I drop to pick up later, and what is suspicious about doing so? | ||
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Eden1892
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On March 13 2015 13:34 Onegu wrote: Ok I have skimmed everything. The way Eden reacted to Palmars claim was really weird. Then the way he reacted to LS making his blue claim was really weird. I also don't really see Damdred as scum here. His case on Damdred isn't very strong its basicly Damdred isnt solving the game. Eden is shoveling shit on everyone. He has in just day two gone with as mafia: Palmar Rayn Me Ritoky Damdred LS That's over half the player list. He isn't trying to figure the game out just yelling whenever something comes up. I know he changes his reads often, but this game he doesn't change his reads he just drops them to pick them up later, there is a big difference. ##Vote: Eden1892 On March 13 2015 13:37 Onegu wrote: This is really close to my reads, I'd put Koshi higher and I am fairly sure marv is town. I could see Damdred being scum but meh. Boy bye | ||
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