We live in a troubled world. I don't think there is any debate over this. Things are just too unequal, with the rich winning, and the ordinary people left to suffer.
For an example of this, look no further than this very game.
On March 04 2015 07:59 Half the Sky wrote: Day 1 Vote Count
As it currently stands, Snickers is slated to be deported. The voting thread is located here. Countdown:
Day 1. Prplhz and Alakaslam took six and five votes, respectively. And the only other player rewarded with a vote was ritoky, with Alakaslam's lone vote. Out of thirteen players, only three were given any votes, and one of those only had one vote.
Day 2. Superbia received six votes, and IAmRobik received three. MysteryMeat1 received one vote. This distribution is a little more even, but two players still had significantly more votes than the rest.
Day 3. Snickers received four votes, and MysteryMeat1 received two. Six players in the game, but only two received votes. This again shows the inequalities among the players.
All of the players started out equal. A number, a name, and a filter. But now, I notice a strange thing. All but five of the names have a strikethrough. And I also noticed that with one exception, every single one of the players who was fortunate enough to receive multiple votes has a strikethrough! After more research, I found something truly incredible.
On March 01 2015 15:29 Half the Sky wrote: Activity: You must post in this thread TWICE per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. Failure to do so will result in a warning; a second offence will result in a modkill.
What is this?!?! We are forced to post in this game, against our will? And those with the extreme honor of receiving votes are no longer forced to follow this requirement! Clearly, this system favors the privileged, and those of us who were unfortunate enough not to be given votes are left to suffer and are forced to post and vote. And we are not even allowed to vote for ourselves.
Clearly, this entire game is a capitalist conspiracy to overthrow everything we hold dear. As loyal communists, we cannot stand for this! Take up the good fight, and share the votes! Everyone deserves votes in equal portions, as this will ensure that everyone receives the equal standing that we had when we signed up for this game as equals.
What?!?! An outrage! If everyone receives the same number of votes, still only one is given the honor of the strikethrough! Inequality and injustice is fundamentally built into this game!
Comrades, only one answer remains. We must overthrow our cruel oppressors and take control of our own lives!
On March 11 2015 12:06 rsoultin wrote: So your answer for rampant inequality and favoritism is to give all the votes to the oppressors?!
Precisely. Clearly you must be a new recruit to the cause.
If Half the Sky and OnceKing are dead, the game cannot proceed. All people (players, hosts, observers, etc) will be given entirely equal rights, with no obligations and no requirements. This is the only true way for a fair world.
Pretty much immediately upon entry, MM1 prods Oats for his entrance trying to elicit some reaction out of him.
On March 04 2015 03:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster
Hi oats, gimme some love
There is 0 follow-up and oats pretty much ignores the prod altogether, MM1 makes nothing of it and does not push for info or a read from this in the slightest.
On March 04 2015 04:51 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Then I shall follow you robik and vote for prp, or would you have me keep my vote on oats?
After coming back to the thread late in the day, MM1 does not try to pursue his line on oats at all, instead he elects to sheep robik who I believe he is town reading at this point (it changed a lot) and doesn't even seek out robik's thoughts on oats in the process of sheeping him. He clearly has no interest in determining Oats' alignment at this point.
On March 06 2015 12:13 MysteryMeat1 wrote: So funny story robik, I actually came into 1000$ in scam money, had to call the police and talk to them. It was pretty exhausting.
I voted on prplhz cause I didnt have a good read on slam, I also thought robik was softing a power role or something and probably didn't even know if snickers was town or mafia and tried to frame him for the lolz. Like I said earlier I thought it was weird that rsoul had told prp that he was lacking a reaction and then blew up out of no where really. I was going to place my vote on prp regardless but decided to place it on oats to see if he would say something, however I believe when i placed the vote there was only like 4 hours left and I realized that was too late to pressure someone so i switched it to prp. At the time i was reading snickers and robik as town.
As for town reads: Snickers trfel ritoky rsoul
Mafia: Robik, he usually reads me fairly well even with my shit play, I know i haven't been as active and he hasn't been really pushing on me, but he's a mafia sided lean.
Onegu - Seems very lynch happy
This next section is pretty wifom: If i was mafia: I would probably push a lynch on me or robik. If you wanted to deal with robik then you could probably push on him for his activity and then the 'fake' yelling that he got a warning for. Even easier than that would be me, I've never been mafia and I suck at all town roles.
im going back to reading
Here MM1 re-visits why he did not push on oats in the slightest claiming that he wanted a reaction from oats but he came back to the thread too late to really turn it into anything. Now this could be a legitimate excuse, and I actually do buy it for this phase, but this shit is like day 2/night 1 area....You didn't have time then, what about...I don't know....the entire rest of the game where you still didn't push for it?
Also note here that the #1 person that has "bugged" MM1 from the start of the game has been oats; yet in his initial reads post here he completely neglects to add him anywhere or explain why he is mafia. Further the person who he was sheeping/convinced him to move off of his read in robik had now suddenly become mafia for calling MM1 mafia. But just 7 minutes later we get another post:
On March 06 2015 12:20 MysteryMeat1 wrote: also the other people I forgot to mention, I'm fine with damdred and just doing a quick look through super's filter it seemed like there was justification for his vote on prp and then tried to not get slam shot. Oats is oats and could be mafia, I think the last game we played together was cell which was basically me and HF being bitches to each other for like 300 posts and he turned out to be mafia. Hwever in that game iirc he didn't really play that much and he hasn' been playing a lot this game so he's a mafia lean
I'd probably put robik in the nuetral with a very slight scum lean
so for the recap
Town: Snickers tfel ritoky rsoul
Neutral Town: Damdred
Neutral Mafia Robik
Mafia oats super
An addendum to his reads post for people he forgot previously, just 7 minutes later (did someone check their own filter and realize they were being inconsistent?) Suddenly oats makes a return appearance AHEAD OF ROBIK who got a full sentence explanation, and why? "Because oats is oats and could be mafia".
On March 08 2015 14:53 MysteryMeat1 wrote: robik, oats, and I all thought that one of the other two were scum. I'm fairly certain robik is town so based on that I would put oats pretty high up on my scum list. BS reason but idc.
I'm suprised no one has really been hard pushing me after damdred died. From my perspective that nk was set up to get me mislynched.
I really didn't like the superbia lynch, for his logic when it came to oats, robik, and I. I also agreed with the gut read on snickers.
Fun Fact* The first game (maybe second game) I played with snickers I got lynched the first thing i did was mesage chairman ray on skype and was like you and snickers are mafia.
I think that there is at least one scum on the slam wagon day1, and oats didn't vote and at the moment my scum team would be oats, ritoky/snickers
Here is where we begin to get into the realm of why MM1 is very likely mafia. Remember that read earlier that he never pushed for a response? Well this is it on steroids and it is going to get repeated in the following:
On March 08 2015 16:16 MysteryMeat1 wrote: I would vote on these three today oats and then snickers/ritoky, I liked rsouls and onegus reasoning so I would be fine with a snickers lynch.
So what MM1 is saying here is that he has narrowed the game down to oats and 1 of snickers/ritoky. Which means to him, oats is 100% confirmed mafia. If he said 2 of oats, ritoky, snickers it is a different story. MM1 at this point in the game believes oats to be confirmed mafia for a reason that he has not really explained other than the following: oats is oats, and MM1, robik, and oats can't all get on the same page so 1 of them has to be mafia. That is the extent of his read to this point. Now having a confirmed mafia in his sights, what does he do? Lynches into the 1 of 2 world that he believes exists. Makes absolutely 0 effort to convince people of or develop his read on someone he thinks is confirmed mafia and places 0 pressure and 0 push onto him. If you place youself in MM1's shoes as town (regardless of how he got to this place) and you are sitting here honestly believing there are two mafia left, 1 is DEFINITELY oats and the 2nd is between snickers and ritoky, can you reasonably justify his passivity? From a town perspective, I cannot justify it.
all relevant mentions of rsoul in his filter:
Mentions of rsoul are a bit more sporadic and very much more unfocused in MM1's filter.
On March 03 2015 11:36 MysteryMeat1 wrote: My phone is about to die but with a quick glance tHrough Rsoul filter I'm not a huge fan
Very early in the game MM1 reads rsoul's filter, says she looks scummy for a non-descript reason and no evidence.
On March 03 2015 11:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote: I didn't say the mafia word once iirc. To me it seems that rsoul was like prp isn't reacting at all. Now prp is going way over the top if we lynch prp and he flips mafia I'd probably lynch rsoul
He then says he wants to lynch prp, and if prp flips mafia then rsoul should consequently be lynched. This happens before any interaction with oats. Now excuse my next bit because I am going to potentially tinfoil and wifom out of control.
Let's imagine for a moment an MM1 + rsoul team is the remaining mafia. This seems like an extremely deliberate setup to town read someone for the duration of the game for. You come into the thread, scum read your partner for an inconsequential reason, tie your partner's alignment to that of a townie who you know is a likely lynch candidate saying associatively if this guy is mafia, then so is she. When that person flips as town, you flip the read and clear your partner for days to come. It seems like a VERY deliberate tying of 2 players' alignments together for someone who at this point has basically 0 input in the entire game.
I bring this up only because the remaining is all of MM1's mentions of rsoul:
On March 06 2015 12:13 MysteryMeat1 wrote: So funny story robik, I actually came into 1000$ in scam money, had to call the police and talk to them. It was pretty exhausting.
I voted on prplhz cause I didnt have a good read on slam, I also thought robik was softing a power role or something and probably didn't even know if snickers was town or mafia and tried to frame him for the lolz. Like I said earlier I thought it was weird that rsoul had told prp that he was lacking a reaction and then blew up out of no where really. I was going to place my vote on prp regardless but decided to place it on oats to see if he would say something, however I believe when i placed the vote there was only like 4 hours left and I realized that was too late to pressure someone so i switched it to prp. At the time i was reading snickers and robik as town.
As for town reads: Snickers trfel ritoky rsoul
Mafia: Robik, he usually reads me fairly well even with my shit play, I know i haven't been as active and he hasn't been really pushing on me, but he's a mafia sided lean.
Onegu - Seems very lynch happy
This next section is pretty wifom: If i was mafia: I would probably push a lynch on me or robik. If you wanted to deal with robik then you could probably push on him for his activity and then the 'fake' yelling that he got a warning for. Even easier than that would be me, I've never been mafia and I suck at all town roles.
im going back to reading
On March 06 2015 12:20 MysteryMeat1 wrote: also the other people I forgot to mention, I'm fine with damdred and just doing a quick look through super's filter it seemed like there was justification for his vote on prp and then tried to not get slam shot. Oats is oats and could be mafia, I think the last game we played together was cell which was basically me and HF being bitches to each other for like 300 posts and he turned out to be mafia. Hwever in that game iirc he didn't really play that much and he hasn' been playing a lot this game so he's a mafia lean
I'd probably put robik in the nuetral with a very slight scum lean
so for the recap
Town: Snickers tfel ritoky rsoul
Neutral Town: Damdred
Neutral Mafia Robik
Mafia oats super
On March 08 2015 16:16 MysteryMeat1 wrote: I would vote on these three today oats and then snickers/ritoky, I liked rsouls and onegus reasoning so I would be fine with a snickers lynch.
2 one word town reads and him saying he likes rsouls justification for a snickers lynch. A lynch, as I explained earlier, that is not a lynch of someone he believes is CONFIRMED mafia. Why is he content with following her into lynching someone when he believes Oats is confirmed mafia? From that point when he makes the associative read and subsequently prp flips town, rsoul is lock clear with no explanation for the remainder of the game for MM1. Now I find this ignoring of rsoul relevant because I want you to go MM1's filter and look for any interaction at all with slam before slam gets lynched. Did you look? If not, you will find absolutely 0. He completely ignored slam. Had 0 interaction, and 0 read on the person leading the votes for much of the day. He was one of the deciding votes that saved slam, yet said 0 about him while he was alive. It bothers me that he has a similar approach to rsoul where for the vast majority of the game he has simply ignored her existence.
Conclusions:
This is purely from examination of MM1's filter, I will examine it from the other sides shortly as well.
Is an MM1 + Oats world possible: yes
Why?
1) Prod on oats early on with no follow-up could be indicative of trying to find easy way to town read partner 2) Has had scum read on Oats for a long time and never pushed it 3) Has had Oats as confirmed mafia for more than 1 phase and been content to lynch others
Is an MM1 + rsoul world possible: yes
Why?
1) Deliberate association/tying of alignements 2) Completely ignoring her for near duration of the game
How likely is it that MM1 was with slam? highly
1) They had 0 interactions at all in the thread, scum ignoring a teammate is a very common thing particularly in inactive scum. 2) He cast one of the deciding votes that switched the lynch off of slam onto prp, then subsequently scum read the person who convinced him to swap.
Ultimately after reading MM1's filter and MM1's filter alone; I am at a place where I see him as capable of being scum with both other players, having play (particularly surrounding his oats interactions) that make absolutely no sense, and being easily paired with slam. There is a high chance he is scum.
I might get to oats' filter tonight before I sleep, no guarantees. rsoul's is long so that one is tomorrow for sure.
Let us first dispense with the easy part: rsoul and slam in regards to Oats' filter
Oats was not here for the vote and made a whopping 2 posts on day 1. He then followed it up by saying he would totally lynch slam and stuff like that. Take it with a grain of salt, was all post flip and I could care less since anyone as any alignment can say that shit with 2 day posts and missing the vote. Essentially it ends up being inconclusive or hard to tell if he could have been with slam because...he just wasn't here at all.
Next we move to the one and only mention of rsoul in Oats' entire filter:
On March 09 2015 21:23 Onegu wrote: Thoughts on rsoult in being mafia? I doubt it but the push on robik seemed really weird... Also the read flip on me n2 was kinda odd without much reason. She did push slam but didn't end up voteing him... Idk I think she is town but meh snickers is best lynch for today.
meh maybe, but the push on robik felt real and i doubt she wouldve continued after the outburst by robik if she was scum, so obvious that hes town after that.
His only thoughts on rsoul over the entire course of the game first and foremost have to be provoked from someone else, thus he likely would have continued ignoring her if not directly asked. Secondly, it is a town read for essentially pushing someone to the point of ragequitting, and then using non-commitall language at the end.
I find it incredibly strange that both MM1 and oats essentially ignored the living hell out of rsoul for the vast majority of the game even though she, myself, and robik were probably the 3 loudest people over the course of the game. That complete ignoring of her into a sudden crappy explained town read has me tinfoiling to some degree, but then completely scratching my head because they BOTH do it.
That is all. Not much to work with on that front. However on the other front, we arrive at seemingly the only thing Oats has show interest in the entire game, interactions with MM1 and robik.
On March 05 2015 15:05 rsoultin wrote: I still kinda think ritoky is town...and mm could be based on his play. like I think a wagon on him right now is mostly policy, which seems like a complete cop out. oats either was scum afk when slam was being wagoned or couldn't be bothered to give a shit...not about claiming credit or about saving slam. I kinda lean toward general afk though and want to put him at null. why specifically is this his town game, snickers?
I wouldve totally lynched slam guys. Credits pls.
Robik and MM, why did you vote me when I had only made, 1 or max 2 posts and why did you guys drop the push??
Here we have oats pinging out mm1 as well as robik for not continuing their pursuit of the line of questioning, we saw this in MM1's filter earlier where he did not pursue it. Well it appears Oats wanted to know why and prodded for an answer to it again on multiple occaisons, as can be seen here:
On March 05 2015 16:34 IAmRobik wrote: I'm town. I also never nk palmar and always nk snickers. I actually had to go back page by page to find out what happened at night because:
1) I left work early 2) I picked up food and went to my parents house because it was my mom's bday 3) Ate with them and hung out there for a bit 4) Went to play poker 5) Came home and opened this up.
Are you really trying to say that my activity is lacking? I have been stating my opinions and I have been open and honest about my reads. I thought prplhz was more scummy than slam so I pushed him. I was wrong. A lot of people look good for the slam stuff. I would look into the people who switched from slam to prplhz when they figured out that prplhz could be the lynch instead of slam who looked like he was going to be lynched.
Of the top of my head I think mm1 or oats would be a good lynch, but i'm not 100% sure. Also, has someone claimed the slam shot?
your activity has been lacking.
Slam shot has been claimed.
Why dont you look into the switches instead of just giving 'advice'. Also, what happened to you rpush on me?
On March 06 2015 12:27 MysteryMeat1 wrote: You just give me the same feeling as hell in a cell, you also found it weird for me to vote for you when you hadn't posted for 40 hours. I also think its kind of weird that out of the three of us (robik, you, me) all believe theres a potential mafia between us.
Its weird when you dont follow up on it or actually convince anyone that Im scum.
Oats does not let the scum read disappear and kept pursuing an answer to the question but the answer was never delivered at least on MM1's front. Instead MM1 simply scum reads Oats for the duration of the game, never replies to the occaisions when Oats asks him about it, and Oats seems content to scum read him right back and nothing more. It would seem to me like if one of these two was town and this happened, they would flip the fuck out and make a much larger deal of this than it was. MM1 was actively dodging Oats' questions, Oats re-asked multiple times, MM1 still doesn't answer. Instead MM1 scum reads Oats. Oats scum reads MM1 back, and neither one makes a concerted effort to push on the other one. One of these two at this point should be furious or seriously pushing the other, yet both just seem content with the state of the game.
The only other interesting thing regarding Oats and MM1 is an interaction between Oats and Robik when Oats is developing his read on Robik:
Trfel - weird content. I was able to clear in previous game. not able to this game Prplhz - why me? fry me Onegu - not sure why but would maybe lynch Slam - not sure why but would maybe lynch MM1 - don't want to lynch but lack of content is disturbing Oats - i might just be bitter cause he was a meanie to me last game and tried tunneling me
On March 04 2015 04:16 IAmRobik wrote: Mafia team is MM, Oats, prplhz
just wanted everyone to know
Please tell me how my reads are so different and are unjustified oats you lil b****. I can wait for years an you won't be able to answer this because your claim is fucking bullshit and you're just trying to fling shit my way and hope it sticks.
Also, it's 100% certain that as mafia I would kill snickers. Like I literally laid out how I think he's a power role and how he shouldn't be lynched because of it. 0 fucking percent chance I don't kill him. Unless you believe we're mafia together .... which is impossible because I'm town.
So you have MM and me as lynchees right? But you never once in your filter explain why you think that way.
You mention our names MULTIPLE TIMES but NOT ONCE do you offer reasoning.
While I pushed a mislynch at least I was here and tried to do something. You can't come in here with a fucking high and mighty attitude while not doing dick all game. ..^..
Im sorry, can you show all of us where this "push" occured? I didnt see jack.
FROM THE VERY FUCKING BEGINNING WHERE I CALL HIM OUT FOR TRYING TO LOOK LIKE HE WAS PLAYING LAST GAME AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY PLAYING LIKE HE DID LAST GAME.
1 post doesnt make a push. Its laughable that you are trying to portray it that way.
Because if MM1 is mafia, mafia loves to just throw their vote on their partner randomly and just leave it there so they can say "oh i voted mafia when everyone was voting town" or some bullshit like that. You were afk for the entire day 1. Didn't even fucking vote. Give 0 fucks about this game, and now all of a sudden you come in trying to fucking mislynch me. Get the fuck outta here
Thats not a fucking reason why MM is mafia. Apparently this is what it looks like when you try and play the game.
Again, thats not a reason why Im mafia. OMGUS is not a valid argument.
In these two posts, Oats seems insistent on not only finding out exactly why Robik is scum reading himself and attempting to invalidate it, but also strangely insistent on why robik is scum reading MM1. It just seems very odd that of all the things to be intensely particular about in a short filter that he is specifically asking about why robik is reading BOTH of them scum.
Conclusions
Overall Oats has been a large non-factor in the game. He has seemingly only cared about 1 thing the entire game and that was this interaction between Oats/Robik/himself on day 1 and that leaking over into later phases. Outside of that he has pretty much ignored every other occurrence of the game unless directly provoked to interact with it. We are also lacking crucial voting info on Oats in regards to the important vote on slam.
Is the Oats + rsoul world possible? yes
Why?
1) weak reason, but ABSOLUTELY IGNORED HER even worse than MM1 did
Is the Oats + MM1 world possible? yes
Why?
1) Only interaction in the thread Oats gives a damn about 2) Does not react very strongly to being completely ignored 3) Seems content to be scum read by MM1 after ignored and content scum reading him back but never directly pushing him
How likely is it that Oats was with Slam? Inconclusive (Moderate)
Literally nothing to draw from that is pre-vote; and 1 post to draw from that basically says "I would have voted slam" pre-flip on slam. I mean, he ignored slam, which I am citing as a potential reason for teams; yet he ignored basically the entire thread until day 2. I will leave it at moderate in parenthesis just because there is basically no content that exists to judge it.
Ultimately after digging through 2 filters I have a weak reason that both of these players could be with Rsoul and I feel like Rsoul's filter will give me the most information and clarity. I think from here all the pairs are possible between these 3. Currently I think the most prominent interaction I have seen is this no-push from both sides between Oats and MM1. MM1 never replies to Oats, scum reads him, lists him as confirmed mafia then never tries to get him lynched. On the other hand Oats finds MM1 and robik's reads strange, asks for an explanation, never gets one, gets scum read, scum reads him back, and never pushes fully back. To me, it feels like if one of them were town in this situation and the other one wasn't the town one would be going absolutely ballistic about this interaction. Yet both seem completely content with it as well as the game state.
Before reading rsoul's filter I think the most likely team is MM1 + Oats. Rsoul's filter is tomorrow, goodnight.
when you finish with my filter and realize that I could be with mm1 and oats xP cause you have yet to realize that pretty much anything theoretically could be possible, pick one of them to vote and i'll vote with you. plzthx
I really don't actually care at this point. oats is better for if you're scum, but frankly...if you're scum I'm probably not going to catch you so my give a shits are at like 0 right now. oats/mm1 scumteam for the win
and hopefully a concession once you stop waffling all over the place, which would be hella nice cause I'm really sick and tired of this game -_-
Whatever case you make on me is useless cause i'm vt. I'll apologize for my lack of participation in this game but sometimes your professors decide to fuck you all at the same time and make your finals a week early in order to help you out! Triple majoring ftw!
I like how no one has mentioned that we are in lylo. If both of you belive that oats and I are scum then lets lynch oats first so I can participate and help convince rsoul that ritoky is mafia on friday.
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