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On March 07 2015 20:00 Holyflare wrote: All i know about tormented is that he knows kelsier/gb were wagons but town reads gb and doesn't scum read kelsier. Literally don't knkw anything about what he thinks
This should send off the biggest alarm bells in the game.
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On March 07 2015 22:47 Holyflare wrote: I always push for people i make cased on??? Why would it not be true? How dumb would it be to make a case and then not get people to take proper stances.
I already explained the robik thing. He's being a dick and signed up for 3 games (policy), he isn't playing (chance of mafia) and it would ruin his stats if he's town (+++)
Rayn and yamato should nowhere be at the top of your list. Yamato just agreed with rayn that he can't read me but wants to sheep me today. Rayn can do what he's done as mafia too so should be middlish maybe bit higher. Your mom should be very high, torment should replace me entirely (like you came up with all these reads on mocsta/kelsier etc after me and still can't reevaluate which blows my mind) mm isn't even in your list and should be near bottom. Everyone else is pretty null, even ve. WRONG
One townie stands tall.
His role rhymes with me.
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Yes ok mocsta if that's your only gripe i don't care
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On March 06 2015 18:04 Holyflare wrote: you guys can hate on the read all you want but i'll stick to it and dig up more later, mark my words!
Doesn't sound like a mock case.
I've re read your filter. It's find to do a mock case and get discussion going. The main problem here is: you had a mock case but all you did for more than 24 hours is pushing this mock case of yours.
I know how you play HF. And when you play as town you are aware of the whole game. You see a suspicious thing and point it out, you'll say how faulty a logic is. This time, you mainly ignore the rest of the thread (pushed me without giving thoughts on the reasons I've brought on Robik/does not have an opinion on Rayn until now/does not comment on Rayn's case on Kelsier) just to push a case that you truly don't agree.
Answer me this: did you think I was town at the moment you made the case? What do you think of Rayn? Why would my mom be higher in my list?
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On March 07 2015 22:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 20:00 Holyflare wrote: All i know about tormented is that he knows kelsier/gb were wagons but town reads gb and doesn't scum read kelsier. Literally don't knkw anything about what he thinks This should send off the biggest alarm bells in the game.
Although this is true.
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On March 07 2015 19:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Oh the hungover is real..  There is pretty much no chance gb is scum here..
Who is, then? Kelsier does not look scummy for the reasons you've brought
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Boring game.
Tormented, any reads? Soren, updated reads please
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Grats gb you quoted the second most sarcastic post in my filter and took it seriously. The first being how you are 100% 3x mafia based on 20 minutes of gameplay. I just haven't been here to play but, again because you aren't listening, that doesn't make me mafia.
I also commented on rayns case on kelsier what the hell are you talking about??? I came to a conclusion before you even did. Who isn't reading the game now???????
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On March 07 2015 23:21 GlowingBear wrote: Boring game.
Tormented, any reads? Soren, updated reads please I will read tormented now.
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On March 07 2015 23:27 Holyflare wrote: Grats gb you quoted the second most sarcastic post in my filter and took it seriously. The first being how you are 100% 3x mafia based on 20 minutes of gameplay. I just haven't been here to play but, again because you aren't listening, that doesn't make me mafia.
I also commented on rayns case on kelsier what the hell are you talking about??? I came to a conclusion before you even did. Who isn't reading the game now???????
Dude, all you have said about that case was that Kelsier could be saying VE could be ass kissing without implying that Rayn was scum/town.
What about him defending me? What about him town reading you and scumreading VE? What about the conclusion you take from Rayn's behaviour?
Can you answer the other questions I've made, also?
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On March 07 2015 23:32 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 23:21 GlowingBear wrote: Boring game.
Tormented, any reads? Soren, updated reads please I will read tormented now. yeah, potentially scummy.
Hasnt gone out of his way to offer information to the thread i dont know where he stands on items.
like.. i cant remember the thread convo, but the comment below about soren seems out of place in a filter dive.
On March 06 2015 14:21 Holyflare wrote: why is nobody voting gb? he's obvious mafia at this point in time On March 06 2015 14:23 _Tormented_ wrote: He may very well be, but training anyone at this time unless we are certain they are scum will just limit our information going forward. If he is mafia, do you think that makes soren town for sure?
tl;dr if i had to make a point against tormented, it is that his filter feigns real contribution.
draws superficial points, and then asks questions back to the thread for others to fill the gap.
as evidenced below
On March 07 2015 04:16 _Tormented_ wrote: Wow that was a lot.....So basically we are looking at GB and Kelsier mainly?
I still read GB as leaning town, although I would be interested see why he thinks Robik is mafia. Robik has done pretty much nothing so far, so unless it is something meta, I would like to see GB's reasons for this.
Kelsier seemed a bit overly aggressive in his mafia reads on VE and captain fail. Would drawing that much attention to yourself after coming into the thread late be something mafia would do? i suppose its interesting why tormented wants to know about robik as well given: GB is leaning town & Robik has done "nothing" what will GB reasoning illuminate?
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Wow captain following thread influence mocsta strikes again. I've already said all of that. Gb I'm just going to ignore everything you write about me and any questions you ask to me because they are just uninteresting and lead nowhere. I don't really care what conclusion you draw from that just stop wasting your time on me.
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I mean if you cant piece together how i say kelsier should be null in your list and rayn shouldn't be high up either and extrapolate that that situation meant nothing then i don't really want to talk about it.
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lol. maybe you are town. we have mind melded.
heres a q
do you think i read what you wrote and regurgitatd?
dont worry it was retorical. I know you realise it was Original Content from yours truly, you just wanted to return the favour about thread sentiment 
love your work holy. yoiu';re out of my shit pile if what you said is true.
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ok so...
mocsta holyflare rayn soren glowing_bear
has yam changed his play since i left. im finding him quite underwhelming?
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It's right at the top of this page quoted again you tool before you even said you'd read tormented. Aren't you reading the game?
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On March 07 2015 23:53 Holyflare wrote: I mean if you cant piece together how i say kelsier should be null in your list and rayn shouldn't be high up either and extrapolate that that situation meant nothing then i don't really want to talk about it.
I'll take a step back and work under the hypothesis I'm being tunnelled. You can come clear and say why you think Rayn isn't that cool (showing me one of his posts for example). I have no obligation to tell YOU how YOU read people.
Is it really that hard to tell me when did you started believing I'm town?
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Actually played some other game with friends instead of rereading the whole game, but while doing that at least for D1 start and Soren's filter I got a new impression of Soren, a mafiaish one I didn't notice at first read of D1 start. Anyway I'm not willing to give him a newbie BotD for the stuff to follow.
I'll try to make the case nice and formatted so you don't have to read everything, or everything at once to be convinced.
# Series 1
+ Show Spoiler +On March 06 2015 08:02 Soren333 wrote:Interesting. On March 06 2015 08:03 Soren333 wrote:I don't like this at all. Why did you write mafia in green? On March 06 2015 08:09 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 08:03 GlowingBear wrote:On March 06 2015 08:02 Soren333 wrote:On March 06 2015 08:00 Holyflare wrote: still townnnn Interesting. ^ not interesting Why do you find it uninteresting? ------- So I got a flood control warning from posting this. Am I going to have to deal with this throughout the entire game when I have something to say.... On March 06 2015 08:11 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 08:03 captain fail wrote: Why is that interesting.
Will you join me on this hf attack force It's interesting because I feel inclined to believe but at the same time I have no rational basis to believe him. What is your intent behind the holy fare attack task force?
So this series of posts gives me the feels that he's trying to make his posts appear more important than they actually are.
- Him finding HF's post interesting is one example of that, but has no influence on his reads.
- Him not liking GB writing that suggests he finds it dramatic, but it really isn't. He doesn't scumread GB at all afterwards.
- Glowingbear makes a cool move in this regard and doesn't go into that comment about himself, instead challenges Soren on his HF post. All Soren thinks of is to ask him "why", even though he just claimed to not like his post. So pretty underwhelming post in the moment he has the chance to interact more with his suspect. Instead he takes a passive, defensive stance and limits himself to a question.
- When CF asks him why it's interesting, he gives somewhat a satisfying answer at glance, so I'll just conclude that HF sits null. But that kinda makes the whole interesting thing uninteresting, so I have to guess that he just posted it for the sake of posting something and make it appear important in a stage where everyone else was waaaay less serious. Also he sees the vote on HF excessively serious, which is mafiaish on page 1.
# Series 2
+ Show Spoiler +On March 06 2015 08:17 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you believe Holyflare is town or still town? Well Im new to this site so I don't know what the mafia culture is around here nor do I know anyone's playstyle. But I don't think a mafia would be putting so much spotlight on themselves by saying that they're town. Or maybe he didn't expect that much spotlight to be placed on him. On the other hand, as someone pointed out. The excessive n's suggests either a forceful pursuit of getting people to believe, or maybe it's because he's excited about the game and got an power role. Or maybe it something else that I haven't thought of. Or, maybe im just reading too much into it. On March 06 2015 08:21 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 08:08 GlowingBear wrote:On March 06 2015 08:07 captain fail wrote: Glowing bear what do you think of soren voting you actually I find it cute Is he a smurf? Not a smurf. And what do you mean by you find it cute? On March 06 2015 08:22 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 08:13 captain fail wrote: Hf is arguably the best player in thread and loves the attention an attack gives. We must vet him
However sirens response is bad What's holy fare's meta like? I'm not a siren. And why do you find my response bad? On March 06 2015 09:40 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Soren what's your actual intention behind the posts you have made? I mean the posts from "interesting" to the post where you say you have no idea what Holyflare's alignment is? I'm just commenting on things by inputting my thoughts.
- The first thing I think of when he says that "mafia wouldn't put so much spotlight on them" is him saying he doesn't like GB for saying he's mafia. Of the two between HF and GB, who do you think attempted harder to put the spotlight onto himself? Right. And who gets scum- and who gets townread? Right. In the later part of his post he focuses on the amount of n's and then invalidates his own reasoning by saying he might be reading too much into it. So that's sort of wishy washy and the n's are absolutely irrelevant.
- GB pokes at him saying he finds him cute. Again just a passive response to the guy he claimed to not like, and who has challenged him twice already.
- He asks a rather pointless question about HF's meta, although this is my opinion. It just fits into the general feeling that this guy doesn't manage to pay attention to the "right" things. Again he replies in a defensive way after being asked something.
- Rayn asks him a good question, gets answered with some generic stuff
Tone readish I would say that this guy is stiff as a broomstick and never lashes out at people. And when people he should be lashing out to lash out at him, he takes on a defensive stance.
Enough tryharding for now. I think the next posts are how he complains about thread size, talks about mechanics. GB pokes at him again and gets another defensive response etc. Read my stuff then read him, it's not really much to read. If it doesn't convince you I'll go on with my impressions. If he's newb, he's mafia newb and not town newb in my opinion.
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On March 07 2015 23:56 Holyflare wrote: It's right at the top of this page quoted again you tool before you even said you'd read tormented. Aren't you reading the game? my version is sexier
he didnt commit to NOT scum-reading kelsier. You filled in the gap 
which makes it a pretty scummy paragraph to begin with.
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On March 07 2015 03:33 Soren333 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 14:27 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2015 14:23 _Tormented_ wrote:On March 06 2015 14:21 Holyflare wrote: why is nobody voting gb? he's obvious mafia at this point in time He may very well be, but training anyone at this time unless we are certain they are scum will just limit our information going forward. If he is mafia, do you think that makes soren town for sure? he's certain mafia though! On March 06 2015 08:24 GlowingBear wrote: Ok Soren is town Because voting me like that means nothing in the first 5 minutes of the game. It actually made me think you were possibly a cute Mafia trying to get town cred for being aggressive On March 06 2015 09:31 GlowingBear wrote: I thought Soren is town because he feels like newbie town. I don't think newbie scum would be this vocal already at the beginning of the game. I also believe that he is putting clear statements in the thread which aren't actually looking fabricated, but rather fluid
Also, damdy, I have no idea why you ready believe I'm mafia On March 06 2015 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:On March 06 2015 09:49 Soren333 wrote:On March 06 2015 09:46 GlowingBear wrote:On March 06 2015 09:42 Soren333 wrote:On March 06 2015 08:37 _Tormented_ wrote:On March 06 2015 08:03 Soren333 wrote:On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote: O hai! I'm mafia! I don't like this at all. Why did you write mafia in green? Did you you vote him for this reason alone? o.O Isn't day 1 just RVS anyways where votes don't have a strong conviction to back it up? Or do you guys treat day 1 lynching differently here in TL? Hm. This is bad. Why voting me at all in the first place? You're also showing you have some knowledge in Mafia, which contradicts the "I am newbie" statement I voted you because I didn't like how you claim to be mafia. Joking or not it causes confusions. If we take it as a joke, you're left of the hook. Either way I don't like it. And all I said was that I am new to the site. I never said that I was new to mafia. This is bullshit It's a standard opening. You can simply call it null indicative. It makes no sense to like HF's entrance claiming town and don't like my entrance saying I'm Mafia. Like, the game isn't that simple. much fake progression! has a newbie town read on soren based on silly things he shouldn't be town read on (even though I pointed out that he shouldn't be town reading him) then gets mad that he's making newbie town mistakes (even if he's said he's played some mafia elsewhere the rng day 1 comment and that above quote should be more than enough reason to realise he's still just a newbie) and that reaction was so ott! I agree with this. GlowingBear called me cute, and then suddenly got mad out of nowhere. Looks like he didn't foresee the implications of a "joke" mafia claim.
Oh and again spotlight argument doesn't apply for Gb but for HF and the first time he calls him outright mafia is after HF posts a case on him.
I think this is my fav lynch for today.
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