Mini Mafia Down Under

On February 26 2015 21:51 Superbia wrote:
I may be unable to, EDH night.

On February 27 2015 05:14 Half the Sky wrote:
When I get home, will join and add you lot. Favourite heroes everyone?

On February 27 2015 05:20 Koshi wrote:
I was already nodding after the 5th word.

On February 27 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote:
Hi.

I'm going to head to sleep now, but I figured I would share some thoughts first.

First, this is obviously a post restricted game, and I intend to do my best to use my posts effectively. At times, this can mean communicating my thoughts through the voting thread (see my vote and later unvote on rsoultin). I feel that my reasons for both of these actions were obvious, though I do intend to explain.

My real question is, where does the nonsense end and the game start? I feel like there has been a lot more opening nonsense this game than in most, and this game is the one with post restrictions.

Here's the reasons for my suspicions of rsoultin.

I can understand wasting posts at the start of the game, but the post wasting continued for quite some time. Rsoultin's posts felt like they came later, more of as an afterthought, while it was after the point that nonsense posts had any value in at least starting the conversation. By the time rsoultin first posted, we had Robik wasting five posts, VayneAuthority voting for Oatsmaster, two vanilla town claims, and a cop claim. Plenty of random things to start the game, no more is needed. And then comes this wonderful post.Rsoultin isn't saying anything at all here, and she isn't making a joke or an interesting comment. "Rolling around the thread" and discussing happiness feels a bit out of place, though I'm bad at tone reads. My point is that I expect rsoultin to be sensible enough to conserve posts to some degree, and I don't see that here. Thus, my vote communicated the simple message of "step it up and play the game". Rsoultin shared a small number of game-related thoughts, and I removed my vote for now.

I know that many people have made useless posts, I just think rsoultin looks more suspicious for it because she is sensible enough not to and she started doing so well after everyone else did. I am very interested to see where rsoultin goes from here.

Thoughts?

On February 27 2015 16:53 prplhz wrote:
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I think it's weird that Trfel is complaining about the amount of nonsense in this thread after 3 pages. First of all, there's rarely any decent content after 3 pages. Second of all, there's often a lot more than 3 pages before the nonsense phase of the game is over.

##Vote Trfel

We can vote in here too right?

On February 27 2015 22:28 prplhz wrote:
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The part of his post where I think he is saying just that is the following part:



And I am kind of piling on. Your point on Trfel was alright, rsoultin had something in there I understood too. I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from, but I think this is an important point too. I don't think any townie should really think that this game is so much more full of nonsense than other games that they'd feel the need to point it out. Like, I'm usually the guy who is the most easily annoyed by people messing around doing nothing and I didn't think it was happening.

I also think it's weird that IAmRobik didn't vote Trfel. This Trfel post seems like a post IAmRobik would vote Trfel for. IAmRobik has been around to comment on Alakaslam's weird zen garden video, why didn't he throw a vote at Trfel at the same occasion?

On February 28 2015 08:00 ritoky wrote:


That's cool, talk about something else in the game.

On February 28 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote:


the opposite as of now, I really liked his opening comment about making a read for the sake of making a read; but then I compared it to his previous game. he is less open with his opinions, doing less to actively solve the game, and his posts are shorter in length. I feel like he would care more about the lack of activity of most players if he were town.

On February 28 2015 08:46 ritoky wrote:


ugh, wrong game name. let me find the game name.

On February 28 2015 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Kelsier is this true? Ignore the wording, just the concept.

On February 28 2015 08:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
scum team is onegu, palmar, superbia prove me wrong some one, im bored.

On February 28 2015 08:56 VayneAuthority wrote:


you dont think he would be trolling right after that shitty sentinel game we played?

I think he got mafia again lol.

On February 28 2015 08:57 prplhz wrote:

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There's really not much to it.

"I think I see where you and Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet are coming from"

What I mean is. I think I see why you are voting him, I think I see the reason he is scum. You had made a one liner and I thought it was "alright", not good but it had the gist of "that's a weirdly serious first post" which I agreed with. Oatsmaster and raynpelikoneet hadn't explained their reads but that doesn't mean I cannot see they would think Trfel is scum.

On February 28 2015 09:07 prplhz wrote:
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And you just saw that just now? I didn't mention in my post that Oatsmaster had voted.

On February 28 2015 09:13 prplhz wrote:

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I don't get it. I'm scum because I think Oatsmaster thinks Trfel is scum even though Oatsmaster hasn't said so in the thread? How does that make me scum?

On February 28 2015 09:25 prplhz wrote:
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I mean I can see why you would vote for Trfel.

On February 28 2015 09:33 prplhz wrote:
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Guy #1: "I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven"

Guy #2: "I can understand that"

Guy #3: "How can you understand that when I didn't explain why I don't like it when my nuts get trapped in a dutch oven?"

This is literally the conversation I think we're having.

On February 28 2015 09:48 prplhz wrote:
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I never said "I get it".

Take the part where I said "I get where [they] are coming from". Replace it with "I understand why they would think he is scum" (as in, "I think he is scummy so I understand why someone else would think he is scummy too"). If you don't accept that what I meant by the first line can be expressed by the second line then vote me or whatever. If you accept it, then start talking to me about the second line.

I'm really not dodging, I just spent like 15 posts explaining this to you. Quite literally, most of my filter is talking to you about it so I'm not dodging. If you want to see me dodge then let me know.

On February 28 2015 09:59 prplhz wrote:




If I was scum just looking to get on board, why would I feel the need to invent an Oatsmaster read? Don't you think I would have thought it sufficient to just mention you, rsoultin, and raynpelikoneet? There is literally no reason to invent an Oatsmaster read for me in that situation. With all due respect to Oatsmaster he's not exactly someone you name drop to get things done on this forum. It's completely ridiculous to claim that I would straight up intentionally invent an Oatsmaster read so I could "get onboard" when there were other, better people to sheep if that's what I wanted to do.

##Vote KelsierSC

On February 28 2015 10:04 prplhz wrote:
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What mistake did I make?

On February 28 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote:
1 between trfel and rso. Trfel's filter this game feels different from his mafia game filter, but only slightly. So meh. I can't even recount RSO's posts. So prob RSO.

On February 28 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote:
Can someone link me to some of rayn's games? Especially ones where Palmar's playing as well.

On February 28 2015 10:18 Superbia wrote:


Yes. I need more.

On February 28 2015 10:23 Superbia wrote:


Straight up from the thread, that's what I'm getting as well. I don't know how competent his mafia is, however. And he seemed very eager to interact with Palmar in the game we played, an eagerness which has been absent this game. No idea what it actually means, though.

On February 28 2015 10:26 Superbia wrote:


Yeah but he wasn't there last game as well. But rayn still pinged him out and itneracted with him. Here it's like rayn doesn't actually give a shit here.

On February 28 2015 10:32 prplhz wrote:
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@KelsierSC I'll answer you question if you answer mine. This ignoring me thing is boring and useless and you don't know that I am scum for shit and since we're both here we might as well talk.

You just said I wasn't intentionally making up Oatsmaster's read so apparently the mistake I made was to think that Oatsmaster had scum read Trfel when he hadn't (although he had)? If this is the reason you're voting me you need to explain to me, why are scum more likely to make this mistake than town?

On February 28 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:
Let's recap, shall we?

@1920... Trfel votes an Rsoul

My last post before this vote (1759):



@2143... Trfel unvotes an Rsoul

My last post before this unvote (2133):


Still no post from Trfel in the thread. A half hour passes, and I go huh. Let's try something.

@2222... Rsoul votes a Trfel

@2233... Oats votes a Trfel (I commented on this vote, prplhz, which is probably where you got your impression from)

Low and behold, a magically appearing Trfel posts @23:05
+ Show Spoiler +

A riddle for you, KSC...now what could possibly be the scum motivation for that sequence? xP

@Superbia...why don't you read, lovely? "Overly defensive"? lol...I had five points, one of which was a half-defense/half-snark and the other four reasons that I thought the progression and Trfel's post were scummy.

Also, since this comes up every game...I work. I will be gone for big chunks of the day because of it. Deal with it.

On February 28 2015 10:52 rsoultin wrote:


You don't think it's at all strange that Trfel, who can be seen attempting to generate conversation and direct scumhunting in our newbie game together that just finished (all my games are in my profile for everyone's convenience), chose to vote and unvote in silence and only bothered to post or explain himself after two votes were on him?

His explanation for his behavior was weak, his follow-up post looked like cya to me, and now he's disappeared again...if any of you know Trfel or have played with him at all, tell me this looks like a town!Trfel to you with a straight face lol

On February 28 2015 11:02 prplhz wrote:
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1. Can't convince you otherwise here. The reason was as good as they come at that stage in the game and certainly better than your reason.

2. Well then you are misunderstanding me. Please answer this question: can you not see how it is possible that what I meant by "I see where they're coming from" is "I can understand why they or anyone else would think Trfel is scummy because I think he is scummy too"? I want you to either a) acknowledge that possiblity and say that's not what you think I meant and that I am scum making that up as an afterthought or b) acknowledge that's exactly what I meant and there's nothing scummy about that.

3. Again, you are assuming I said I knew Oatsmaster's reason for voting Trfel when at no point did I know Oatsmaster's reason. I am even saying it now, I didn't know Oatsmaster's reason and I don't know it now. I can see that there are reasons for why he might think a person I find scummy is scummy. As for the "hard to follow", Oatsmaster is sometimes hard to follow, at least he was back when I played with him last.

4. No I really didn't dodge anything. I answered every question asked of me. This dodging accusation is really bullshit because I am answering everything here. You might think I'm not answering well enough, whatever, but I'm very clearly not dodging anything.

5. No. I am voting you because you cannot explain why you are voting me. You are saying that I made a mistake but you cannot explain why this mistake is scummy. The rest of the reason you are voting me consists of all these unsubstantial and unsubstantiated pokes like "oppotunistic" and "fake bullshit indignation" which is at best as ridiculous as Blazinghand's "fake anger" accusation against raynpelikoneet last game.

Please. You are saying that I am not intentionally making things up about Oatsmaster. Fine. Why are scum more likely to accidentally make things up about Oatsmaster than town? If anyone is dodging a question it's you dodging the question "Why are scum more likely to accidentally think Oatsmaster did something he didn't?" (which btw, he did), you really didn't answer that in that post just there. You just reinterated some other points on me I don't really care about.

2a or 2b and answer the question in the last paragraph.

IAmRobik seems town for the mod comment, I don't know about Oatsmaster but slightly leaning scum.

On February 28 2015 11:31 prplhz wrote:
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Dunno the whole thing just looks like mod would have been like "lol cute robik" if he was scum and "wtf this nerd getting on my nerves again" when he was town.

I think it's pretty solid.

Probably shouldn't discuss mod actions but then again, mod should have stayed out of the thread.

On February 28 2015 14:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
This trefel lynch is way too easy.

On February 28 2015 15:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have no idea where Onegu's push comes from.

KSC and Rayn focused on prp for valid reasons.
I never gave any kind of reason before or after my vote on trefel so when Prp says that he understands where I am coming from, its not accurate at all.

Robik is a dirty liar but the mod confirmation is pretty damming.

I would actually lynch ritoky now, his push on rayn is really bad.

On March 01 2015 03:21 Trfel wrote:
You yourself stated in the obs chat that my leading town was outside of my normal play, don't make me dig up the quote. You know very well that I prefer to play a more backseat analyst role.

Maybe I vanished because real life came up? Maybe I went after you because I thought you were scum? Maybe I remember that in my game as mafia, you caught me on my second post for making a bad read? It would be the stupidest thing ever for me to make a "bad" read on you, since I figure you would probably notice?

On March 01 2015 03:44 Trfel wrote:
Well then.

I'm going to take a break for a bit, be back with reads later.

That was rather frustrating.

On March 01 2015 03:49 Trfel wrote:
I'm frustrated that my best reads in this game are no longer normal reads. I don't really know what to do with that.

On March 01 2015 04:11 Trfel wrote:
Shoot, I was completely wrong, haha.

But yes, a reroll was absolutely necessary anyway.

On March 01 2015 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

you were quite town aswell.

On March 01 2015 04:52 Trfel wrote:
prplhz was mod confirmed town. No way he was getting lynched.