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_Tormented_
United States157 Posts
On February 25 2015 06:51 KelsierSC wrote: what is it with you people trying to put these crazy motives behind my actions. Welcome to Mafia? I am new here and I already picked up on that aspect -_- lol | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On February 25 2015 06:53 Damdred wrote: All we are asking is reasoning behind the reads, two of your mafia have cases but you solo vote Sl for feels with no explanation. You deserve heat kel. Give us more nah I already explained SL | ||
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Damdred
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. Any town reads kel | ||
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Tronak
Spain217 Posts
On February 25 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also want more comments on my case. I cant take seriously your case on Tormented, lyching someone for being paranoid on you during first posts while you were trolling around is not a solid argument from my point of view. First I thought you could be putting some pressure on Tormented, now I am thinking, again, you are trying to bring attention to a dead point, again. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On February 25 2015 06:56 Damdred wrote: Ok . Any town reads kel yeh | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On February 25 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote: Why did they seem ok and everyone else? i don't have reads on everyone in the game. | ||
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Tronak
Spain217 Posts
On February 25 2015 06:51 KelsierSC wrote: what is it with you people trying to put these crazy motives behind my actions. why would you answer with such an empty question to my simple and legit demand? maybe you thought I was trolling, so I'll rephrase... since you included me in your wannabe lynch list me I would like to know the reasons. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
No? Like no you sidnt quote which of my posts were scummy because none were | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On February 25 2015 07:07 Tronak wrote: why would you answer with such an empty question to my simple and legit demand? maybe you thought I was trolling, so I'll rephrase... since you included me in your wannabe lynch list me I would like to know the reasons. I didn't like your summary post. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
On February 25 2015 06:26 sicklucker wrote: Hi this is my posting style deal witth it We might deal with it by lynching you. Can we not turn this into a spamfest? Seriously, I don't have the time to deal with hundreds of pointless posts a day. And speaking of pointless posts, let's have a quick gander at what Tronak has had to say so far. On February 24 2015 22:21 Tronak wrote: After re-reading all, Going to throw some open questions and my thinkings about them: 1) Snarfs, why would you suggest a RNG voting being town and a veteran player? Either was a simple way to make fellow townies show up them selves or in my newbie opinion should be read as a scummy post. 2) Artanis' opening: why would you introduce Mayors voting if game setup is given? Opening joke? Mayor is usually a starting point and you didnt read game setup? This follows another game? If not, I would read your post as mafia. If yes, is -Yamato quickly (1min later) votes for lyching Artanis . And Mayor joke appears again. Why? I can only read 2 mafias trying to create confusion, but I would be happy to hear what you both think about this. 3) Tormented throws his bomb list. Want to think, Tormented thought similar to me (above) and when pressured by Artanis to give his reads made a quick list pointing out both names (Artanis and Yamato). Would mafia do this? I dont think so, it was too early from my point of view, too much to lose. 4) Probulous accuses Damdred: I like Probolous' read and arguments given against Damdred so much that when I first read his post all my senses were focused on analysing Damdred's following posts. Up to this point, I think Probolous wins the mini batle and Damdred will need to give futher arguments to convince me about his alignment. 5) Yamato appears again to switch completly thread's focus and focus on Tormented again giving good arguments based on filtered history. Snarfs looks like aproving this switch very fast and Artanis pushes this line further in his last post. If Yamato/Snarf or Artanis were mafia, would they like to lynch a "tormented" townie and use this line to save a suspected Damdred? Sure! Conclusion: despite all guides about Mafia I have read suggest scum wouldn't be so active in the first hours of the game, from my point of view so far, all makes me think that at least 1 or 2 scums must be between the list of names mentioned in this post (with no exceptions). However I can't arrive to single point any of them and the innocents should also be very valuable for the town. I see the names not mentioned in this post as townies so far. So, I hope your answers for my wall of text clear my way. "Here's a bunch of things that have happened so far. Some of these people might be scum, but they all feel like town." On February 25 2015 03:16 Tronak wrote: Actually some points: -He pointed out before me the scummy sense of your RNG voting post. Since I had same, "maybe" unexperienced, reading while i was reading your post, my first impression was to feel aligned with him, therefore should be townie to my eyes. -About voting on you so directly = since he posted that his reason was just a "grain of salt" I suspect is just a move to push you = townie again to get information about you. - Recently he pushes agressively Damdred which I can only applaud since I look forward for more information about this last one. (to my eyes this should be townie post again, or.... could be mafia move to save Tormented, in case he is mafia). "Here's what Node has done. He might be town, but he might also be mafia." Overall, I don't have a read on Tronak yet, but that's because he hasn't actually said anything. I'm willing to cut him some slack for being totally new, but if he doesn't step it up soon and get some posts that go above sounding desperate to contribute, I'm going to get a lot more suspicious. On February 25 2015 05:33 Snarfs wrote:+ Show Spoiler + There we go. Here's what I have written on Node: On February 25 2015 02:55 Snarfs wrote: Once I get to work I'll probably dig through some of Node's recent games. I don't know much about his play except that he's been around for awhile. Following up a bit, I'm less convinced that Node's opener indicates he is mafia. Keep in mind these were games from ~2.5 years ago, but if he hasn't played mafia in between then there's no indication that he would have changed so it's all I've got to go on. From Death Note mafia (Node as town detective): + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2012 09:19 Node wrote: I'm going to vote for BlackMamba. Here's why: This is such an incredibly wrong and scummy statement that it's unbelievable. Think about what it means for just a second. Mamba is saying that going out of your way to establish your townieness is unnecessary -- even scummy. It's even one of the first rules in Ver's guide: establish your own innocence in order to create a good atmospere and make it easier to find scum. (forgive me for not citing it directly at this moment; my resources are limited) Now, why would he want to enforce this? Only scum could possibly want to establish an atmosphere where showing your innocence is a bad thing. There's also the insinuation that claiming self-aware miller is a poor choice, the questionable case against Hapa (dismissed with an "I wasn't-really-trying" excuse), and the statement that voting for someone doing as little as Palmar would actually be a bad idea. All of this comes together to show somebody that isn't trying to establish a pro-town atmosphere, is pushing the wrong targets, and is definitely scum. ##vote BlackMamba24 What I read here is a very pressure-oriented tactic. It feels very similar to how he opened up against me. He focuses in on a single player and doesn't waver at all in his assertion that this player must be mafia because of a single thing they said. He also doesn't drop any town reads. From Liquid City mafia (Node as mafia goon): + Show Spoiler + On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote: I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets. Now, kush on the other hand has been talking a lot about absolutely nothing. Seeing as he considers his vote on Shady absolutely inconsequential so far ("My vote for Shady had nothing to do with a scumread of any sort"), he's sure spent an awful lot of time discussing it. Weirdly enough, he justifies his current vote by saying he doesn't have any scum reads, yet has also thrown a few FoS's around. So, we see his vote that doesn't matter (yet) on someone he doesn't care about, instead of actually pushing the rather perfunctory cases he's made so far, possibly just so he can look like he's actually contributing. So, I'll actually put my vote where my mouth is. ##vote kushm4sta Bolded for emphasis. This is pretty much exactly how Coagulation plays every game. If he's town, in a day or two he'll come up with a handful of proper scum reads to tunnel for the rest of the game, about half of which will be correct. Contrast this with Node's opener as mafia. Here he's making sure to comment on something else going on in the thread. He's dropping town reads to fit in. "Hmm Shady Sands is probably not scum. He's silly but not scummy... hmm maybe we can look at someone else and here's a decent reason why." And then he continues to comment on some other pieces of information. This right here is the kind of thing I like to see. (and not just because it concludes I'm town) | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On February 25 2015 07:09 sicklucker wrote: Kel I ask you for the third time why am I scum Because your posts were shit. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
he/she is town. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
how so? You mean the one where I explain meta to the new players? because thats the best post in the thread | ||
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Damdred
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On February 25 2015 07:25 Damdred wrote: How is that a good post exactly kel? It reads like a Scum read and then.... nom guys I give him break Lolo. i hated the same post from Tronak and it's why I want to lynch him. | ||
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