Office Mini Mafia

If you have a good chain with somebody in PM land, consider sharing it with the thread after it is "finished". The bigger the better. Even if there is nothing of value in it, just put it in the thread as a spoiler.

On February 19 2015 12:28 sicklucker wrote:
Oats whats the point of using a chat forum when were already in one

On February 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm here Eden are you trying to bait a Miller claim again?

On February 19 2015 12:32 sicklucker wrote:


Everyones gonna be too lazy. Its like a request that you know no ones going to make

On February 19 2015 12:33 sicklucker wrote:


He did this as town in are last game so to Ls someone who cares way too much for meta it matters

On February 19 2015 12:37 sicklucker wrote:
I can speak for everyone that im not going to download a chat program thats only 10% more efficient then this forum.

Like your trying to get town cred from this thats obvious

On February 19 2015 20:11 Koshi wrote:

This looks like mafia scumhunting. Or pretending to scumhunt.

The problem I have with these 2 questions is that the first one is a fine question that puts pressure on geript:
"But you never said anything to eden about miller claim?"
Which is an ok question to ask because geript is going for snickers his balls and ignores Eden. So some inquiry about this is fine.

But the second one completely destroys that purpose and shows some fear/weakness from Snickers:
"Which is a vt claim right?"
The last question really gives geript an out of the pressure and downplays the first question and the scumhunting purpose behind it.

I might be misreading the last question, the intention behind it. But to me it looks like somebody acting dumb on purpose. There is obviously no miller in the set up, so it isn't a vt claim or anything. It is very obvious that Eden is being silly.

If Snickers would be truly scumhunting here I would have expected a stronger question as follow up. Because why does he say it is a vt claim? Is it because he knows there is no miller? It's just odd.

On February 19 2015 22:37 sicklucker wrote:
OATS GOING HAM. I like this oats better then the way hes played lately

I think Kurumi is town from side convos we had

On February 19 2015 22:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
I could maybe buy Koshi town. Maybe.

On February 19 2015 22:52 sicklucker wrote:


Because of a pointless convo we had about where I tried to tell him Ls did nothing out of the ordinary for him.
Im not sure he wants me to say this but he made a qt for a couple players and that shows town initiative

On February 19 2015 23:06 Koshi wrote:
Why do you assume snickers is new btw? This guy his first game was boss. He caught all 3 mafia D1 and then proceeded to get bullied into oblivion by the bad townies. I am pretty sure he wasn't new to mafia when he played that first game as well.

Such a strange assumption.

I think quite highly of snickers.

On February 19 2015 23:07 liancourt wrote:


? anyone can claim town, look I'm VT. I claimed town. Does this make everyone town read me, nope.

On February 19 2015 23:14 liancourt wrote:


what does that have to do with anything?

On February 20 2015 00:15 liancourt wrote:
http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=tlmafia

ok so you don't need a proxy nor do you need to dl irc client to join this chat, which is cool for me.

On February 20 2015 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yo i am on the train and in 1,5h home.
Thread is certainly interesting so far. I already really like this game. <3

On February 20 2015 00:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i jate posring cia phone as it annoying to write.

On February 19 2015 14:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This post bleeds red.

On February 20 2015 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well shut the fuck up then if you are impatient to wait.
I just lost my nerves on idiots who don't understand the concept of "can't play properly".
You are pissing me off already so stop, wait andshut up, or call me mafia.

On February 20 2015 01:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oats you're a piece of shit just give him a minute.

On February 20 2015 01:21 VisceraEyes wrote:

Just consider that he's just come off a ban and probably just got lynched in his last game for "not playing properly" or whatever. Consider that if he's town this is certainly a reaction I can see coming from rayn. Just get off his dick man.

On February 20 2015 01:47 Koshi wrote:
The only thing we are doing is not being an impatient bitch.

On February 20 2015 02:44 Koshi wrote:
Why are you so obnoxious? There is no content to talk about. And when I do make something you yell "fake" and discard it by making dumb assumptions.

On February 20 2015 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
please state your vote also in this thread (this is why i hate voting threads).
Oats do you think i do that as mafia? Do you think i do that as town? I mean what you just said.

Also Koshi is town so your vote is in the bad place.

Between the obnoxiousness towards rayn, the DIE DIE DIE scum "tunnel" on me and your silly assumption of snickers I already don't care about you this game.

Hopefully somebody will read you correctly. Because if today comes down to PoE you will be on that list.

On February 20 2015 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

But i did, you asked me. Like you know me dude. I like to keep my thoughts on myself for some time and encourage people to think why i post the stuff i do.
Like do you not know that?

What's wrong with my case? "Based on 2 posts" is a pretty BS reason to not be convinced on someone's case.

On February 20 2015 11:31 Eden1892 wrote:

Does geript argue like that as mafia? My impression is that when he gets angry and dug into his trenches like he has with Kurumi here, he's town, and that when he's mafia he tends to avoid tunneling much. I haven't seen his mafia play in a while (maybe ever?) but that's where that came from. (I also think mafia in general try to avoid this kind of argument.)

Koshi I could see being mafia. Why not Snickers though? I liked what Koshi had to say about Snickers and I don't think Snickers has done anything to make me think otherwise.

On February 20 2015 11:44 Eden1892 wrote:

You must have missed the part where geript says "No way you do this as town" then - I thought it was pretty clear that geript thinks Kurumi is mafia for this and is zeroed in on it. Seems tunnely to me because he's ignoring the possibility that you were the source of the leak. (Were you?)

Second part is pretty true, but it doesn't change anything about Snickers himself. I think Koshi's done more than Snickers pretty easily. Koshi dropped some info about LS, he's been questioning Kurumi about his plan for the game, and he brought up Snickers himself. Snickers hasn't done anything beyond calling random things bullshit without offering any analysis or potential suspects or anything.

On February 20 2015 11:46 Snickers wrote:
Do you guys want to lynch liars? I dont have a problem with it.

On February 20 2015 12:00 geript wrote:

Sure I can, but only after you explain the following:
1. Why doesn't town!Kurumi want to figure out which 2 people are scum out of the 4 he listed?
2. Why doesn't town!Kurumi realize that QT is literally recognizing my posting from phone and from comp as different when there's obvious evidence of that?
3. Why doesn't town!Kurumi in any way verify anything I've written? Like it's super obvious that i have 1 post from my phone in the QT. He in no way even tries to verify that. It's super easy.
4. Why does town!Kurumi keep pushing me at all? Like I'm fucking ridiculously obviously town here.

On February 20 2015 13:25 Snickers wrote:
rayns list of possible mafia and geripts are so close haha

On February 20 2015 13:35 geript wrote:

2dum4scum is not a heuristic ever

On February 20 2015 13:38 geript wrote:

And you're reading him as town for it, no?

On February 20 2015 13:40 LightningStrike wrote:

Might break the rules though if I do a entire quotation of my pm conversation with Koshi and the 1 pm from sicklucker. I going to ask the mods if I can do that.

On February 20 2015 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Each one of us has reached the same conclusion on their own so it's definitely not buddying.

On February 20 2015 14:17 VisceraEyes wrote:

I would lynch into Rayn's list with blatant disregard.

On February 20 2015 14:26 VisceraEyes wrote:

It's fine, just go with it. Boring is sometimes the right play. We'll take it from there, see?

On February 20 2015 14:30 Snickers wrote:


That seems really like a really bad play.

Or you are scum and trying to sway the fuck out of people.

How about you try to prove whos town and mafia because if you are town it would benefit you.

On February 20 2015 14:34 Snickers wrote:
No I am deciding right now for realiziez whos I think is what. But holy fuck, that post by Ve is by far the scummiest thing Ive seen in this game. I almost fell off my chair.

Anybody care to weigh in why the hell a townie would post that shit?

On February 20 2015 14:23 geript wrote:
Snickers.

On February 20 2015 14:44 Snickers wrote:
Hes asking people to make cases, but hes trying to limit who to make cases on. Hes trying to sway peoples' thinking way too much for me. Also it doesnt sit right hes holding rayn in such a high regard. Maybes hes not in that specific post but Ive been getting that vibe.

On February 20 2015 14:50 geript wrote:
Please strike LS from the lynch circle. Thank you for your complaince.

On February 20 2015 14:57 geript wrote:

Because I'm quite sure he's town after talking with him for idk, like 2 hours on skype.

On February 20 2015 15:13 liancourt wrote:
oats get on irc

On February 20 2015 15:43 geript wrote:

He explained how big my dick was and how pretty it was. I was very convinced by it. It made me think I was just a little bit bigger than it actually was.

On February 20 2015 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The case on ve is awful.
If me, koshi and ceript read him town that doesn't mean he is "trying to sneak into town circle".
Like that is an awful misrepresentation of the situation.

On February 20 2015 18:25 Koshi wrote:

O rly. Which townies does sickluster say you are attacking?

On February 20 2015 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yay! A couple of hours and i am home then.
Oats are you around in 2h?

Irc then if you are.

On February 20 2015 19:13 Eden1892 wrote:

at the very least i'd say that a good place to look is the group of people who haven't been utilizing the oot communication much. you have to filter for irl-related inactivity or other complications, but i think scum prefer not to use pm's if they can

So why would I not put my vote on someone who I think has been scummy and would be easy for other people to fucking vote on.

And I did not even know where the fuck the votes were at and I did not care at that time cause I thought people would be switching the shit out of them.

On February 20 2015 18:42 Koshi wrote:
It is also about the fact you are trying to manipulate Oats in thinking Snickers is more mafia than I am while keeping the option open I am mafia to Oats.

This pushes your mafia agenda because
1) When I read your post it looks like you pick my side.
2) Oats is not fully convinced I am town.
3) Snickers looks actually pretty town to me since I recapped stuff this morning so you got that misslynch going.

On February 21 2015 03:05 Koshi wrote:
Eden:

1) Completely misreads and thinks I have Snickers as town. More likely mafia that misreads like this because not interested.

2) Tells Oats he is right thinking Koshi could be scum. Proceeds to give 5 reasons why he thinks Koshi is town.

3) Completely ignored the discussion between snickers/sl against VE. While he was around right before it started and came back after it cooled down and ignored it some more.

4) Has done 0 scumhunting. This is a guy that had 50 page filter after DAY 2 in his previous game!!!

5) Wants to stay out of the spotlight. Biggest example is that he says stuff like "if you guys don't decide to lynch sicklucker, please lynch liancourt" As if he knows he won't be able or willing to push his reads. This is Eden guys.

On February 20 2015 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So here:
+ Show Spoiler [for reference] +
Which brings me to this post:

Liek see how the post is constructed. I numbered it so it's easier.
In [1] he says mafia Eden cound be trying to mimic her town play. On [2], if Eden is town she didn't read the OP and is trolling (which he doesn't even point out, which is one of the two MOST LIKELY explanations he doesn't even consider).On [3], he says that Eden could have missed the OP as mafia aswell, which makes his reasoning [1] 100% invalid.

Now the problems are these.
- I know when i write posts, especially posts this short, in case i realize in the middle of the post i wrote something stupid just before that (see points 1 and 3) I GO AND DELETE THAT PART BECAUSE EVEN I KNOW IT IS STUPID AS FUCK.
- He misses the obvious conclusions, which are "eden is town trolling" or "eden is mafia trolling". Like he doesn't even point out those as POSSIBLE explanations.
- Especially the last point then brings up this. Look at the discussion there was going on before (nested quotes). sicklucker is like.... only answering to the quotes above his posts and not thinking by himself, critically.

These point out to him being mafia because his post makes no sense at all (as showed above) and i KNOW he has a tendency to not think enough about what he posts (as showed in spoilers) as mafia.

On addition to that look at his next post. Here:

This is overly defensive post (as someone i don't remember pointed out) and for a couple of reasons i think it's scummy.
- I had not given any real reasons for my vote. Why is it in sl's world impossible i am mafia? If he thinks i could be mafia why is this "fixated". Like the defeated attitude is so over the top.
- The only other vote on him is from VE. Who didn't even vote for real apparently. Also inbetween VE's vote and SL's post VE says "rayn is probably scum".

YET SICKLUCKER THINKS THIS D1 -- at this point -- IS "FIXATED ON HIM"?!?!?!?
reasonable conclusion from his perspective as town?
as mafia it is because he would know i am town and i have something on him he doesn't even understand. but townies do not roll over and die when they don't even know what they are accused of.

Like yes, townies do get defensive about the votes on them but not like this. Never.

---

Now Oats, about this post:

If i am reading correctly here you need to explain the following thing to me:
You seem to be suggesting here that i am mafia and made a vote i can't back up. Now how does my explanation for my vote go and worse in case it takes some time to post it? Like do the reasons for someone being scum magically disappear if you don't say them early enough? Or can i somehow manage to construe a better made up reasoning for someone being mafia over time -- a reasoning that's NOT bad anymore? I don't see how this thought process of yours makes sense so please elaborate.

On February 21 2015 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker wanted to work with LS. I have two HUGEEE problems with this:
1) In the QT with liancourt and kurumi he literally says LS' reads are always crap and basically wrong. Why would you ever wanna work with someone you think has bad reads? Reading someone town is one thing but working with them is another.
2) Has he tried to work with LS since? I think all the evidence suggest otherwise.

##unvote
##vote sicklucker

On February 21 2015 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
There is no way onegu pms people but does not post in thread.



Sorry what, how has Onegu been scummy? Can you quote posts and show me?

And what did you do to get people to vote for Onegu? I assume if you vote Onegu you want him to die, but there is no evidence of you actually doing anything to kill Onegu.

On February 23 2015 00:00 VisceraEyes wrote:

I wasn't going to say anything, but since no one is saying anything anyway, I'm avoiding the thread to avoid having to deal with your tunnel. Like, you're refusing to reevaluate on me and I'm having a really hard time trying to get motivated to play this game because I know that even if we lynch another mafia, you're going to still be alive the following day and so am I and you're going to lynch me and we're going to lose if you're town. Koshi seems to think so and I've started to come around as well. If you're town, you need to start thinking about coming around on me NOW, while we're definitely not lynching either one of us, before it's too late.

On February 23 2015 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote:

It's not effective - he's convincing no one. My point though is that later on in the game when we're light a couple more townies, it might become MORE effective, and that's demotivating for me.

Like, how can you see this as an overreation? I'm not even like, angry or anything. I'm stating observations and opinions that explain my mindset.

I'm avoiding the thread to avoid having to deal with your tunnel.

On February 23 2015 13:36 geript wrote:

Yah. Definitely not because of a case a real baller made that everyone ignored.

On February 23 2015 14:05 VisceraEyes wrote:

Because he thinks geript is scum. DUH OATS!!!

On February 23 2015 15:05 geript wrote:
I'm not rage quitting Oats. Im rage joining. It's way different.

On February 23 2015 23:10 geript wrote:

You're hard tow reading oats and snickers? That's like really bad. Guess you are mafia.

On February 24 2015 00:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean, it includes the greencheck. I think that's kinda odd at this point. But other than that yeah. Kurumi is back and useless still. At some point something FF said rubbed me the wrong way, but then I remembered that he was Onegu and that FF had a PM conversation with someone and so I'm meeehhhhhhhh reconsidering FF. Liancourt is a logical choice too, giving us nothing to work with etc.

In a vacuum I might prefer a Kurumi lynch.

On February 24 2015 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
rayn wanted to lynch Kurumi D2. Rayn was then NK'd. Geript the townie was absolutely certain of Kurumi's guilt. Let's vote for Kurumi now and just get it over with.

On February 24 2015 10:35 Fecalfeast wrote:

koshi town, LS town, snickers was a mafia read before medic outing/claim, kurumi was a sheep vote. I missed you in IRC I noticed but if you want to talk why not PM? I'm here to talk to at any point

On February 24 2015 10:58 LightningStrike wrote:

Because I'm the unCCed Cop.

On February 24 2015 12:22 sicklucker wrote:
What ff's saying is not terrible. Getting people to rage to get them modkilled is a thing. Happens to rayn all the time

On February 24 2015 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
And I most certainly wasn't egging geript on. Geript has his own issues, and he'll be the source of a lot of his own pain.

And your whole 7x thing prob is wrong cause you need to factor in cop. And you should prob factor in medic too.

On February 25 2015 22:27 LightningStrike wrote:
Oats we lynching LC it's fine

On February 26 2015 00:53 Snickers wrote:
If you are so concerned about it, the answer lies in the "branches". So if you trust me just wait till I get home. If you dont trust me do them yourself.

On February 26 2015 02:12 LightningStrike wrote:

Well that's why I'm plan on checking you over Snickers because if Lian was the GF then by PoE then Snickers if the Role Cop if you come up as town Oats.

On February 27 2015 01:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
So since Oats has taken leave of his mind, this is probably the last post I make until people start voting for me for the lose.

On February 27 2015 01:54 VisceraEyes wrote:

This isn't obvious to me.

On February 27 2015 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I think he disappeared because he knows he fucked up. He told us what's going to happen trying to incriminate me, outting himself as mafia I think.

Like if liancourt flips Rolecop then I'm taking a really HARD look at Oats.

On February 27 2015 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote:

I DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE LYNCH LIANCOURT AND SEE HOW HE FLIPS OATS

On February 27 2015 02:20 VisceraEyes wrote:

THATS NOT TRUE IT GOES TO A FINAL THREE WITH A BUNCH OF IDIOTS WHO WANT TO LYNCH VE

On February 27 2015 02:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like from my perspective Snickers (as town) has a reason to assume that LC will flip Rolecop and it's because he's "made up his mind" that he thinks I'm GF. His confirmation bias has that fact just lodged in his brain.

That's not the case where Oats is concerned, he isn't currently assuming I'm guilty with a greencheck on me, so he can't make the connection that LC must be the Rolecop.

That's why Oats is suspicious for making that assumption but Snickers isn't, in theory.

On February 27 2015 12:45 Snickers wrote:
Dont put me into lylo with me oats and ve. That would be absolutely terrible. If that happens I am going to afk from the thread until the game is over.

On February 27 2015 12:50 sicklucker wrote:
Thats funny ff im way more involved then you are. Like I know im lynched in the next two. I dont think its correct but I know its happening I can flame kosh later sheep gonna sheep. I just want to make sure are other lynch is correct and Im sure its oats hes never tried this hard ever. This is the guy whos done nothing in my last 4 games as vt. Here hes vt? im not buying it

On February 27 2015 13:01 sicklucker wrote:

Like why is everyone so certain oats is town? I dont get these phantom townreads on him. Hes the person im most afraid of losing too. He never talks to me in irc, he never pms me. Hes just hides behind koshi while they never explain why hes town

On February 27 2015 13:07 sicklucker wrote:
I dont feel comfortable putting oats in final 3 because I know he will win the game for mafia lets kill him today then if im wrong you can kill me oh well

On February 27 2015 13:28 Snickers wrote:
ITS NOT LYLO TOMORROW.

On February 27 2015 13:46 Snickers wrote:
ve just did the exact same scumslip oats last page. Are you being serious with me.

ve has scum slipped multiple time.

you are refering to minor scum slips.

Ve also did a major scum slip that is even more likely to be true now that lc has fliped rb.

Plz mafia gods give me the grace to convince town or give town the grace to find mafia.

On February 27 2015 13:55 Snickers wrote:


here is the major scum slip.

On February 27 2015 14:18 sicklucker wrote:


Like no its not the same I accept my fate I just want you to come with me

On February 28 2015 14:28 VisceraEyes wrote:

Such a troll.

On February 28 2015 14:33 VisceraEyes wrote:

It's fine, if it's not Snickers it's Oats. And I'll get him tomorrow if it's not Snickers. But it's Snickers, so stand firm.

On February 28 2015 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:

Oats just shut up and vote for Snickers.

On February 28 2015 14:45 VisceraEyes wrote:

Oats I don't care what you're saying right now. I'm not setting up your mislynch. I reevaluate everything, day to day. I say I want to lynch you tomorrow, but if Snickers flips town that changes fucking everything doesn't it? So shut up and vote for Snickers so we can move the game along. I'm tired of Snickers lying about me, and I'm tired of you eating it up like a fucking panda. You're not a panda Oats you're a man. Be a man and vote for the fucking mafia.

I say I want to lynch you tomorrow, but if Snickers flips town that changes fucking everything doesn't it?

On February 28 2015 14:50 VisceraEyes wrote:

I've said that I want to lynch you tomorrow IF Snickers is town. IFFFFF

FUCKING IFFF OATS!!@! IIFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!

. I reevaluate everything, day to day. I say I want to lynch you tomorrow, but if Snickers flips town that changes fucking everything doesn't it?

On February 28 2015 14:58 Snickers wrote:
Oats if I get modkilled you need to make sure everyone reads my filter as of fecalfeast's death.

On February 28 2015 15:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Er N1, back after Eden flipped mafia and rayn was still alive. Rayn (God rest his soul) died after noticing this.

Let us lynch Snickers in his name.

On February 28 2015 17:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also I like how Oats thinks I lost that IRC conversation when all he's doing is going "I AM SO LYNCHING YOU OVER SL TOMORROW! YOU CAN GET LYNCHED! YOU'RE SCUM!" so I leave. Like - how is that me losing? It's me walking away from a clearly already out of control situation.

On March 02 2015 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote:

I don't understand - you're using Snickers' innocence as proof of YOUR OWN innocence, but Snickers hasn't even flipped yet.

Maybe I lynch you instead of Snickers this day.

On March 02 2015 12:02 LightningStrike wrote:

Elaborate please?

On March 02 2015 12:37 sicklucker wrote:
Of course yesterday was all town vs town. Because it was the 4 towns left in the game all talking with you absent

On March 02 2015 12:49 sicklucker wrote:
By prevoting me oats has given snickers the hammer so if hes mafia hes already won. So now its between me and oats which im happy to do and win town the game

On March 02 2015 12:44 sicklucker wrote:
Like if your town why did you come out and say your voting me? Like why not wait 12 hours? Why affect the nightkill?

Now if snickers were the mafia he would have auto by nk Ls

On March 02 2015 15:52 sicklucker wrote:
No... Like its common sense to not say who your voting in final 3 if you can help it.. Its like drawing scum a map to victory

On March 03 2015 09:27 sicklucker wrote:
Lol its so oats. Hes the only one who doesint care enough to not make a nk.

Were probably not going to but sleep is an option

##vote oats

On March 03 2015 10:15 Snickers wrote:
I will vote oats later

On March 03 2015 10:14 Snickers wrote:
It's either oats is too lazy to night kill or you got so drunk from this auto win that you forgot too

On March 03 2015 16:01 sicklucker wrote:
Ls had a town read on oats. He pretty much had been sheeping koshi untill very recently. So at the time it made sense but I think ls voted oats for 5 seconds so its whatever.

Also I dont think Ls is coming back to this game so we should move on

On March 03 2015 15:28 sicklucker wrote:


Oh I know keeping in both me and snickers gives you more targets to sway Ls to vote two is better then one.

On March 03 2015 20:21 sicklucker wrote:
More people you can convince* you only needed one vote

Im saying Ls is more likely to follow koshis reads which is not a lie and definitely true

gnight

On March 03 2015 22:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry guys I was accidentally nuked from outside of game stuff but that wont matter now that I'm here and now that I think about it VE is a prophet saying if both Snickers and him are Town I wont get shot and was right but knowing VE said it to Snickers idk it seems weird.

On March 04 2015 00:47 LightningStrike wrote:

Kinda meh I could vote with anyone seeing I am confirmed town.

On March 04 2015 01:32 LightningStrike wrote:

It makes no sense to not kill me before MYLO or LYLO since I am unCCed Cop.

On March 04 2015 03:12 Snickers wrote:
yea but scum can come in the last moment and lynch one.

Its not a majority lynch.