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On February 14 2015 10:21 IAmRobik wrote: Are you taking bribes? yes | ||
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On February 14 2015 13:13 IAmRobik wrote: if this starts on time i'll be floored | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:09 IAmRobik wrote: Let's play 2 truths and a lie 1) I am town 2) I am town 3) I am + Show Spoiler + mafia #1 and #3 are true and #2 is ambiguous! | ||
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got us a first post rule Nazi up in dis bish. saucy~~~~ | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:23 Half the Sky wrote: My mistake Breshke, could have sworn he had linked a thread. Alright. VA, I claimed on the previous page FYI. Robik, why are you advocating the use of IML (or in this case, an IML like strategy) when you have stated in other threads that you aren't a fan of IML? because in t-minus whenever BH logs on, BH will elect to RNG lynch someone, then the ensuing 12 pages will be people trotting out the same tired arguments for or against RNG and there will be many things written but little said. | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:26 Half the Sky wrote: I have never played with BH as a player, Ritoky (or other vets) does he do this every time? Does BH also troll when he plays? Does he troll D1? he believes that on D1, a lynch through RNG gives the same or higher probability of lynching mafia than coming to a consensus/going on reads/etc. depending on how saucy he is feeling he will say that RNG should be committed to beyond D1, but sometimes he doesn't go that far. needless to say, many disagree with his POV on d1, and others view it as a cop-out where he doesn't actually play D1. | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:31 IAmRobik wrote: Ritoky is mafia btw | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:37 VayneAuthority wrote: sentinel has 3 syllables and ritoky is the 3rd player on the list, could definitely see ritoky flipping mafia god tier logic On February 14 2015 14:42 VayneAuthority wrote: you could also confirm that this is my posting window as it is late night here on the east coast, where I do most of my computer time. just happens to be a good starting time for me lol crap tier logic. @HTS, VA is easy to read from his voting patterns from my experiences with him. | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:01 Alakaslam wrote: Moar skyyl No wonder you were posted guard over Robik hood | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:15 Alakaslam wrote: BAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!! He beat you to it FF! Sort of, you have mistaken me for BH not all can be such a master in the art of the CHUPAZI like you are, I am sorry | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:17 Half the Sky wrote: Ritoky, you're scumreading FF? Why? He doesn't seem to do much D1 as town from what I recall, but what is jumping out at you here? he is choosing to engage in conversation in places that are unnatural feeling. his only 2 real posts are a summary of his view of BH's play, and him talking to slam. seems like scum having a hard time comfortably fitting in to the atmosphere. plus we have never had the same alignment, and I rolled town; so logic. | ||
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On February 15 2015 05:42 Town Puppy wrote: False, you should be nullreading me for everything thus far and how should I be reading you? | ||
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On February 15 2015 06:16 Alakaslam wrote: I am nutsy! The dizzy one is nutsy. Whom are you then?!? I am ziggy of course, I showed you earlier. dizzy is the name of one of the four, how do you not know your own chupazi? | ||
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On February 15 2015 05:58 Town Puppy wrote: I got good vibes from rsoultin's first posting and she passed the writing style test, so she can probably be town too. I need to reread to see if her early posting was actually legit. (Don't hold me to this, I probably won't actually do it anyway.) explain this plz. | ||
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On February 15 2015 06:46 Alakaslam wrote: Waaaaaaat? For the long agoes. The dizzy one? He is blonde is he not? This is mein kampf. To find him able to admit it! + Show Spoiler + is a thupid one So now nobody gonna do it how can one be dizzy and nutsy, when the dizzy one doesn't know and the nutsy one is watching? | ||
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On February 15 2015 06:51 Alakaslam wrote: So foolish are we both ritoky. Dizzy is Blazinghand. wow, my 8 year old brain fails me. I mixed up buzzie and dizzy. woe is me. | ||
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On February 15 2015 07:16 Fecalfeast wrote: Sounds like something I'd be bothered by, though I didn't notice it while skimming pages 24 onward the post you quoted has 3 smileys in it, how did you not notice the emoji? | ||
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On February 15 2015 07:20 Fecalfeast wrote: Probably selective reading, I dislike constant emoticon usage so I imagine I blocked it out. Does rsou usually use mad faces? I guess not if you've taken notice idk any specific meta about it, I just know that generally speaking excessive adjectives/qualifiers and emoji usage seems mafia to me. too much caring/awareness about how you're coming off. | ||
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can you name the people in this picture slam? | ||
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On February 15 2015 07:27 Breshke wrote: The emoticon thing is normal for her. She got called out on it when she was mafia for not using them enough. I don't know if this is more or less than her town emoticons nor do I think it is really worth trying to discern alignment from. The unnecessary adjective thing sounds good though. Ritoky could you explain to me why this would be scummy. lots of reasons nervous people talk too much scum care too much about how they are perceived and getting the meaning right some times scum read and edit their posts and leave tons of extra crap in there there's lots of raisins, pick some. | ||
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On February 15 2015 08:12 Alakaslam wrote: I didn't watch recess; my mother was a school principal and hated the show (among others) because the portrayal of the principal was always as some ogre or dunce. how about the CHUPAZI in this one then? | ||
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On February 15 2015 08:19 Alakaslam wrote: Yup Less airtime for principal means got away with it And monkey ninja is best character But if you want to see childhood of slam I was that kid with a level 78 pikachu 3 days after having a yellow version Plus a level 4 caterpie, a pidgey, not much else sorry, I couldn't hear you over all of my wicked hangtime brah | ||
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On February 15 2015 11:12 Town Puppy wrote: I think my case against Kelsier is great. If you're gonna call my reasons "weak compared to his filter" then you better be prepared to say why. The vast majority of it is "I don't agree with his reads" and predicated on HtS being lock clear town for you. That's great, HtS isn't lock clear town and disagreeing with reads doesn't qualify a case as "great". So yes it is weak. | ||
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On February 16 2015 04:08 Half the Sky wrote: Just saw this. Where are your reads on others? Or if you live to D2 and beyond are you going to keep RNGing people? Step it up Blazinghand. Now. ##unvote ##vote Blazinghand this vote seems awkwardly placed and justified. almost like you didn't wanna be voting on who you were voting on previously and were looking for an excuse to hop off. | ||
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##vote: blazinghand On February 16 2015 05:40 LightningStrike wrote: Okay with Eden counterclaiming BH's claim I think BH might be Mafia now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Blazinghand I don't like this post, dunno why the explanation is necessary given the context. | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:46 KelsierSC wrote: hmmmmm seems like the vote was pretty well placed to me, are you unhappy she voted BH? did you read what I posted? it was about her moving her vote off of someone not who she moved it on to. dunno though, will come back to it later. since clearly there is more relevant information present now. | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:50 ritoky wrote: this vote seems awkwardly placed and justified. almost like you didn't wanna be voting on who you were voting on previously and were looking for an excuse to hop off. ? | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:55 KelsierSC wrote: yeh what did hts say that made her seem like she was just looking to move her vote off her previous target? How the hell did you extrapolate that? thread sentiment moving toward BH (before claim), VA comes in and drops his basically mandatory OMGUS vote, robik fixes his vote, hts finds a cheap reason to justify a vote switch. I ask myself why? then I read and came to conclusion that it felt like even though she talked a bunch about rayn/palm she didn't really want her vote on rayn. I mean there's a lot of talk in her filter on rayn to so easily move her vote off imo. like I said, doesn't particularly matter right now though. | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:57 KelsierSC wrote: and added on to that why would she want to move her vote off of VA anyway? what because VA is mafia with her? her vote was on rayn, you smoking the good stuff? | ||
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On February 16 2015 06:08 KelsierSC wrote: The reason you look bad to me is that BH is mafia now and at the point HTS votes on a mafia you try and find a reason to discredit her vote and attempt to make the lynch on BH seem scummy. I mean if you're gonna call me mafia, then call me mafia. don't be bitch and straddle the fence. | ||
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the fuck did I do? | ||
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On February 16 2015 06:25 KelsierSC wrote: I can't promise I will be gentle jeez way to break character. ruined the moment. anyway your read is bad. | ||
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On February 16 2015 06:34 VayneAuthority wrote: what is this BH omgus vote thing by ritoky? I already explained how he was playing very similar to when he played as Old Partner in golden sun, i was on his mafia team in that game. you did? I wasn't aware you had posted more than 4 times in the entire thread. | ||
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if you have to ask then you've missed the point | ||
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On February 16 2015 06:50 Breshke wrote: No i get that you are trying to put down VA when he told you you were wrong about something. I don't understand why. when you unlock the eye of the CHUPAZI everything becomes clear. | ||
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maybe I should just sheep my two town reads. also BH you're good at maffz, can you plug the #'s into the CHUPAZITRON 40000 and tell me the odds of rolling 2 JKs? | ||
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On February 16 2015 07:23 Blazinghand wrote: The odds of rolling 2 JKs are significantly lower than the odds of TP just deciding to counterclaim me. I'm 95% sure that TP is scum, and of the 5% chance he's town there's a decent chance he's just a really stupid VT and not actually a JK. It's possible, I suppose, in theory, that he's really a JK. But he's not. so what you're saying is that 95% of the time, lynching both of you to find a mafia is right 100% of the time. and 5% of the time it is wrong 100% of the time? robik, slam, guide me please. I am but a lost kitten. | ||
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On February 16 2015 07:27 Alakaslam wrote: It's not a computer, it's some form of aircraft Like I think it's from Tailspin or Darkwing Duck. I kinda thought it was from SWATCATS | ||
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On February 16 2015 07:29 Alakaslam wrote: What I see is BH could be anything; he is not dizzy now, he is the CHUPAZITRON himself and has bombed us with deep wifom Deeeeeeeeeeeep bunkerbusting wifom I would say losing an experienced JK in BH is worse than having scum BH one more day. the bunker may have been busted, but the bank will always stand. ##unvote | ||
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On February 16 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote: If you flip JK BH I will put the puppy in the pound (Lynching him). Ritoky why not go for the good lynch today? because I have hesitations, and the only 2 town reads I have are showing pause, plus the list of people voting on BH | ||
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On February 16 2015 07:51 Blazinghand wrote: Dude I'm on the balance team and let met ell you: 2 milliers is not NEARLY as useful as 2 JKs lol this kinda assumes a constructed setup vs rng setup. could just be the case where town gets x town roles. rng which roles-> 1 = x, 2=y, 3=z, 4=a, 5=b; and rolled a # multiple times. setup wifom, the wifomyest kind of wifom | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:04 Town Puppy wrote: Tbh rob you're probs mafia bc you should know I never claim here as scum. So idk why I'm even answering you. Hijole tbh you should know that robik is town, and all of this jazz is a bunch of wifom carpet bombing drop by F-22 Suboptimal Play-Copters or as we call them F-22SPCs | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:34 Blazinghand wrote: It is. But I'm here to help and drive the discussion, so, bear with me. Pretend I'm town. Don't unvote me; just pretend i'm town and discuss things with me. What do you think of Breshke? Are there any cases you want me to review or people to talk about? breshke is mafia for his first couple posts in the thread imo, rule nazi'ing while sidelining gave me dem scum vibes | ||
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mafia: rayn lian breshke hts town: robik slam derp: TP BH way too uninvested: ff | ||
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rayn - activity/palmar breshke - rule Nazi start hts - bs reason to switch vote from rayn to bh slam - chupazi never lies | ||
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On February 16 2015 12:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Blazinghand leads with 10 votes. Next is Town Puppy with 2 votes, and then raynpelikoneet with 2 votes. Superbia has still not voted yet. BH (10) - Half the Sky, ritoky, VayneAuthority, liancourt, Town Puppy, rsoultin, LightningStrike, KelsierSC, prplhz, Breshke Town Puppy (2) - IAmRobik, Alakaslam raynpelikoneet (2) - Palmar, Fecalfeast liancourt (1) - Blazinghand Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet I am currently unvoted actually. | ||
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##vote: town puppy my only two town reads think so, and I think he is more likely scum of the 2 | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:12 ritoky wrote: tbh you should know that robik is town, and all of this jazz is a bunch of wifom carpet bombing drop by F-22 Suboptimal Play-Copters or as we call them F-22SPCs QUOTE]On February 16 2015 12:17 Town Puppy wrote: On February 16 2015 12:14 ritoky wrote: but ##vote: town puppy my only two town reads think so, and I think he is more likely scum of the 2 So you think I would CC BH when I'm under no suspicion to 1-for-1 him AT BEST (which is a losing trade for scum!) when I could nk him for free tonight. Add this guy to the donkey-or-scum list[/QUOTE] | ||
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On February 16 2015 11:12 ritoky wrote: tbh you should know that robik is town, and all of this jazz is a bunch of wifom carpet bombing drop by F-22 Suboptimal Play-Copters or as we call them F-22SPCs On February 16 2015 12:17 Town Puppy wrote: So you think I would CC BH when I'm under no suspicion to 1-for-1 him AT BEST (which is a losing trade for scum!) when I could nk him for free tonight. Add this guy to the donkey-or-scum list | ||
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##unvote ##vote: lian | ||
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pretty sure a lot of ppl just missed the joke and took slam seriously. | ||
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remember last game I played when I couldn't distinguish jokes? remember when I overdramatized every claim including FF's terribad one that was clearly fake? what alignment was I? some similar stuff goin on here m8. sincerely, ritoky | ||
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On February 17 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote: Also I think ritoky is town this game since he not fighting anyone at all like he did in his two games when I saw him play as Mafia. naw I can tunnel pretty hard as either alignment, I just don't get people's jokes and can't make jokes as mafia cuz I am too angry. plus I have an enormous town tell anyone who doesn't have me as town is either mafia or hasn't played with me as both alignments. | ||
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On February 17 2015 06:11 Half the Sky wrote: Well speaking of the devil.... you were talking about yourself again? | ||
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On February 17 2015 06:14 Half the Sky wrote: Since you're here Ritoky, why were you saying I was voting BH for no reason when I'd a) already discussed my issues with him in one post and b) engaged him prior to voting him? You basically isolated that one post taking it out of context from the rest of my discussion. I voted Rayn, but after pushing BH I switched. you spent your entirety of your early posts that were meaningful/I can remember being all about that rayn mafia lyfe, then voted on him, then almost on a dime went onto BH for what I felt was a weak reason. made me think you lacked conviction in your rayn read that you had built. makes you suspect, makes you feel like you were looking for an excuse to unvote rayn. | ||
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On February 17 2015 06:28 Town Puppy wrote: I haven't played w/you as town in 9 months, and I was mafia anyway. Help a brother out It has to do with when people call me mafia. | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote: So at that point she became "not even null" in your mind? no comprende what you're asking. | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:20 Palmar wrote: You forgot she existed. ? that's me giving my town and mafia reads, I haven't stated a single null read all game m8. thought u read my filter? | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:34 KelsierSC wrote: So before I got sidetracked I wanted people to look at prplhz and my case. Ritoky , palmar brings up the point that rsoultin isn't on the list you made so that I what interests me. On February 17 2015 09:16 ritoky wrote: oh and palmar, I stopped my rsoul read because some1 told me that the stupid emoji crap was part of how she always posted and 1 time she got lynched as mafia for not posting enuf. went and looked, turned out to be true; so I am trying to grit my teeth and bear it, but I still have a visceral reaction of wanting to lynch her when she posts. | ||
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On February 17 2015 07:13 IAmRobik wrote: LYNCH LS TOMORROW. DO NOT FUCKIGN QUESTION IT. JUST DO IT. I MAY NOT BE AROUND, BUT YOU HAVE ONE FUCKING MISSION AND THAT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PERSON DOES NOT SURVIVE TIL TOMORROW. I MAY OR MAY NOT EXPLAIN WHY IN POSTGAME, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO TRUST THAT THIS READ IS ACCURATE. PALMAR -- IT'S KINDA LIKE THE READ I GAVE ON YOU IN HEAVYWEIGHT. PLEASE JUST FAITH. | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:39 KelsierSC wrote: I think the point is you made posts about her, but then she doesn't make your list in any regard like you just forget she is real. What do you think kf hts and rayn now? ff is probably still the sk like I thought before, he doesn't seem to care about the outcomes of stuff and is hiding behind his bad @ day1 excuse. maybe he turns it on, who knows. rayn goes from under pressure to wifom bomber. hts hasn't done anything relevant in a while? so nothing has changed? sorry, I didn't post my giant list post with everybody's name and a read for them that I do every game when I am mafia. oh wait, not mafia. | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:47 KelsierSC wrote: What does that make rayns alignment then ? weren't you mafia with me like 2 games ago? you should be better at this. chupazi wifom bomber is his alignment, I am waiting on a status update on the bunker from slam after the second great wifom carpet bombing of 2015, results pending status update. | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:51 rsoultin wrote: Does anyone have a good read on slam? I correctly townread him the last couple games I was playing with him, but I'm having trouble this time. I do, he is town. | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:53 rsoultin wrote: Can you explain that read at all? A playful vibe or something? lol once you understand the eye of the chupazi it is abundantly clear. | ||
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liancourt (8) - Blazinghand, IAmRobik, LightningStrike, FecalFeast, ritoky, Breshke, Superbia, rsoultin Blazinghand (5) - Half the Sky, VayneAuthority, liancourt, KelsierSC, prplhz Town Puppy (1) - Alakaslam raynpelikoneet (1) - Palmar Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet rsoultin (1) - Town Puppy for myself for later and others if they want it. also checking in on something from a past game real quick. | ||
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I just got here m8! had to fix the vote cont cuz it wasn't purrrrty enuf | ||
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I don't want to turn 50. my research into finding this game is turning up without oranges. I went on a quest to locate rayn scum games cuz for some reason I have written as a note in my spreadsheet that he stray voted on a partner as mafia d1 twice. my grand quest seeking these has led me to the wasteland of games long since past. | ||
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On February 17 2015 14:12 LightningStrike wrote: Okay my last post before going to bed: The SK prob was scum reading KSC and thought he was Mafia so he killed him hoping to kill Mafia but instead KSC was town. Going to bed for reals now. | ||
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On February 17 2015 16:13 Alakaslam wrote: And not pure lettuce. Use 3 different kinds, spinach, broccoli, tomatoes, three colors Bell pepper, chopped dates and raisins, halved grapes and orange slices of you can, and avocado... Onion too, onions are good. The red ones are far stronger and if you can hack that take em. They're really good Use vinegarettes Carrots and celery as well. Make a robust salad. Not tonight of course... And I mean starting now, you! No cheeseburgers with bread (lettuce wrap is bamcis however), stop the pizza bullshit or learn how Italians do it, and still not often, and also learn stir fry without much rice. Asians eat good too. Sushi is where you get the protein. Do I eat like this? No My parents Which makes me think about what prplhz said, there is wisdom in eating properly So spake the hypocrite that I am XD unfortunately for I, I am allergic to grapes and all things olive. did you know grapes and cherries are technically olives? even if cherries weren't I also am allergic to berries. it is rather unfortunate and sad. prplhz gives good life advice, but does he give good mafia advice? can he spot the proper chupazi when he sees them? | ||
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On February 17 2015 16:16 Alakaslam wrote: But I digress. Here, I have something else. Ten minutes and I must sleep, ritoky did I do anything noteworthy or is this all fluff? Only the stuff I posted just now, not- Well, actually whatever I have said? Now if I leave I apologize in advance. recently you have placed FF on notice of eviction for his dodgeyness, checked the temperature of my chupazi, and wanted interaction even if it was with the chupazicabra | ||
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On February 17 2015 16:20 Alakaslam wrote: Dang, I actually wouldn't trade my celiac- I am sorry to hear it! It makes sense, they are tree fruit with pits although the grape surprises me, as a vine fruit. Yet the berries, with grape association, makes sense. Nonetheless there is always ranch or thousand island. Ranch actually isn't bad for you, it's good- it's just not as good as vinegarettes when they are not allergenic one time I was dating a girl who served me a balsamic vinaigrette not knowing balsamic vinegar is extracted from grapes, an epi pen and 7 months later we broke up. perhaps I never subconsciously forgave her. | ||
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On February 17 2015 16:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't wanna get evicted I just can't find the motivation to do anything. it is past night 1 and you haven't started screaming at me as being mafia, does this mean I am your top town? | ||
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On February 17 2015 16:31 Alakaslam wrote: ... Not to mention olive oil I work in Agriculture. If you want a third party, tell the fair folk to make an account and ask the wizard of Alakaslam if something will kill you. I will know. I am also half Italian. cooking without wine and replacing olive oil with canola/vegetable/peanut oil is considered mortal sin by half of my family. my great grandma (rest in peace) thought I was born with devil blood inside me because I couldn't have wine. | ||
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On February 17 2015 16:41 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't have a good answer for you. Sometimes when I try to analyze posts my brain just shuts off and I don't take anything in. Anyone you have as a question mark I can give a second look at? I would like your opinion on LS or HtS, whichever you prefer, or both. | ||
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I don't mind that post. it seems a tad bit shallow for someone you previously thought was mafia and still do. here's my problem with you, the fluctuation in intensity bugs me especially with the up time being deadline time, you usually focus your day 1 town play on finding your lock clear ride or die town buddy (robik the last game I was in with you), and your reads usually have tons of conviction even if they aren't the best/for the right reasons (I know having been on the receiving end of a few). so like....you're not screaming town like you normally do. I suppose maybe I should go look back at the great chitler fiasco for reference's sake tmrw. make me feel your towniness in my loins. | ||
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On February 17 2015 23:36 Half the Sky wrote: WIFOM. Most people here are lumping the SK and scum together in one batch. What you said is possible, but unlikely as there are way more town than scum. Under the assumption that scum took out Eden, my theory FWIW, BH said before that SK is anti-swing, and Kelsier was a mislynch opportunity for scum, given he was being scumread. He kills a townie AND hurts scum at the same time by cutting short an ML candidate. Kelsier could also have been targetted because he was on the right track as well. Some of his reads were matching my own, on the ones that weren't, could potentially be worth further investigation. Any of the above are possible plus other things I might not have considered. it's posts like this. you call someone wifoming, then you proceed to wifom, then justify your reads with wifom of a dead person, then display TMI but qualify it with "under the assumption". | ||
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to me it looks like she know who killed who. | ||
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I mean HtS does think I am scum and scum reading like all of my partners and that is totally something I would do. also damdred probably town, although he arrived at the wrong conclusion. | ||
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On February 18 2015 06:14 Superbia wrote: There were multiple theories coming from multiple people, including myself. Why are you pinging HtS? here's me doing it to LS I do it when I notice it. I noticed that one, because it had a lot of certainty in it, i.e. grounded in real knowledge not speculation. | ||
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On February 18 2015 06:28 Damdred wrote: I am as well will be fun to read. Ritoky how did I arrive at the wrong conclusion and what am I not reading right if I'm wrong? once upon a time, there was a damdred who struggled to read me and whom I equally struggled to read. then a reckoning came upon them both, the trials and tribulations forged their relationship in fire. through this hell, they forged a bond close enough to understand eachother. it was through these dark times that their relationship blossomed. yet the conclusions they drew from this understanding were not what you would expect: damdred told ritoky he would shoot him night 1 every game for a while to come, and ritoky certainly returned the favor. it is in that abyss that caused the two to arrive at their shared conclusion, that you have lost sight of what is important. | ||
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by robik's own metrics of his scum play, if he can't keep his post count/activity up then he is mafia and he has yet to really be around. but then again, i don't know if mafia robik doesn't read the OP like he demonstrated with the veteran claim.... | ||
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also do you think stray voting on day 1 is alignment indicative for rayn too? | ||
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On February 18 2015 07:50 Half the Sky wrote: Robik, my other scumreads are Ritoky, Breshke, Rayn, with a lean on prplhz. your scum reads have literally not developed in the slightest. check here: On February 17 2015 09:20 Half the Sky wrote: Back after the end of EoD in Newbie. As it stands my scum reads are: Rayn, FF, Ritoky, Breshke then there's the whole part where you pulled your vote off rayn for a bad reason after focusing on him so much. then there's the part where you plagiarized large parts of my read on ff then scum read me in the next breath. then there's the part where you had a TMI post about the night kills. then there's the part where your read on me is terrible. then there's the part where you constantly state going to bed/etc for reasons for not being here then there's the part where I criticize you for lacking conviction and now you're overcompensating. I weigh all of that against you sharing similar reads to me and the amount of work put into the ff stuff and I arrive at WARRRRGHARBBBLE land. | ||
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can someone tell me why people other than me now think rayn is mafia, very briefly? also can someone tell me why only robik is weirded out by hts switching on a dime? also did ff disappear after his neck came out of the noose or is that just me not having reading comprehension available to me atm? please don't give me complicated explanations, I am extremely tired. | ||
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On February 19 2015 07:05 IAmRobik wrote: Guess my meta read on Rayn doesn't mean anything. If he flips town, I'll prolly get pushed on for TMI. This is fantastic. Can we please lynch LS/Damdred/rsoul/prplhz instead? can you explain rsoul and prp to me please also can someone answer my questions from before? | ||
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On February 19 2015 07:59 IAmRobik wrote: I made it up, but the % of time a sub is mafia is probably something like 85% to 15% town I have subbed out once as mafia and once as town and subbed in twice and both I was town. | ||
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On February 19 2015 06:33 marvellosity wrote: Vote Count BlazingHand (1) - VayneAuthority VayneAuthority (2) - BlazingHand, rsoultin raynpelikoneet (5) - Damdred, LightningStrike, Palmar, Half the Sky, Alakaslam Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet raynpelikoneet is set to be lynched. 7h26m until deadline On February 17 2015 15:50 ritoky wrote: Day 1 Votecount liancourt (8) - Blazinghand, IAmRobik, LightningStrike, FecalFeast, ritoky, Breshke, Superbia, rsoultin Blazinghand (5) - Half the Sky, VayneAuthority, liancourt, KelsierSC, prplhz Town Puppy (1) - Alakaslam raynpelikoneet (1) - Palmar Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet rsoultin (1) - Town Puppy so the first thing I would like to draw your attention to is the vote on lian. by my metrics of numbers in my head and just game statistics, there is almost certainly to be at least 1 mafia on that wagon and likely 2. so I want to start narrowing it down a bit. superbia is town until proven otherwise because of a veteran claim, I am town because duh. I have a town lean on robik (less than yesterday but not gone yet). so we strike them off of here for the time being. that leaves 5: BH, LS, damdred, rsoul, and FF. let's ignore FF for now because he is an outlier. if you look at the votes so far today, they have paired off. BH and rsoul are on VA and damdred and LS are on rayn. I would not be surprised if these pairs were aligned, which makes the vote on rayn super interesting to me, being that BH is a possible if not likely JK who is claimed for quite a while; so I would be more inclined to believe at this point that the rsoul + BH pair is less likely mafia than the LS + damdred pairing. the weird thing though is independent of this vote analysis I think damdred is probably town though, but I really didn't like breshke when breshke was playing, so it could just be a good player fooling me. anyway back to FF, the issue I am having with FF this game is that I have seen invested screaming FF town and invested screaming FF mafia, but never uninvested FF for as long as he was this game. he is just playing completely different than I have seen before, hence why I am more inclined toward him being sk. | ||
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On February 19 2015 08:36 Fecalfeast wrote: WIFOM ALERT: I would be so hype to be SK ritoky so that argument doesn't scare me. well if you're not SK then I had you as a role, but 4 roles have been claimed and that seems the likely number for town to have. if you are a role, then that pretty much guarantees 1 of BH/rayn is mafia. since superbia's claim is the most believable to me. | ||
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On February 19 2015 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fine. Solve this game by yourself then idiots. Not gonna post any more. Mafia is prplhz, rsoultin, damdred and hts. (if hts is town then robik is scum). At least three of them are scum. Perhaps ritoky or maybe even palmar. Mafia success = time used on it and i don't have much time during weeks. Get used to it fuckers. I have better things to do than to defend myself to non-existent cases which are based on nothing but my activity. wait hold up WHAT THE FUCK? he's your 6th mafia when you have a red check? bullllllllshiiittttt. ##vote: rayn | ||
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On February 20 2015 00:32 LightningStrike wrote: Non confirmed Town: ritoky, VayneAuthority, IAmRobik,, Alakaslam, prplhz. Ritoky although he looked better than his last mafia games I seen him play (Carol which I played and Imperial I shadowed) but he seem to still have some of his mafia traits in him but not as much as that time and give there been time since these two games happened he could of worked on his Mafia play. explain this in depth please. | ||
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good luck on finding that meta stuff too. | ||
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On February 20 2015 04:08 Blazinghand wrote: >:| do you really think there's a chance I'm scum, just because you don't like the 'tude? I think there's a chance you're scum because you keep re-iterating your mod confirmed status like holyflare did when I fucked up real hard in hearthstone and you're a protective role who has survived an night phase. if you survive 2 or 3....well that chance grows into a possibility. | ||
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On February 20 2015 05:50 Blazinghand wrote: Like, I'm not literally modconfirmed. The mod hasn't come in and said I'm town. But you guys aren't actually gonna lynch me this game and you know it, you know it so much you're asking the SK or Scum to shoot me instead of trying to write a real case. We all know it's not happening so stop wasting everyone's time. you asked if there was a chance, and I said yes we should be lynching LS for made up reads. | ||
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On February 20 2015 05:58 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah, but I wasn't asking you. We should be lynching VA for reasons that should be obvious. Nobody has a townread on him, everyone is like "VA doesn't play before someone flips scum" or something and somehow this has placated everyone. VA has done nothing. He will do nothing. He's getting away with it. I wish he wouldn't get away with it. I have no read on VA because VA has done nothing all game and I pretty much forgot about his existence, plus I have been a bit pre-occupied in my real life. I guess if I have literally 0 inclination toward someone at this point in the game that probably means they need to be lynched. | ||
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also wasn't LS the one who robik caught editing his posts in a super obvious way? all aboard that LS + damdred train baby. | ||
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On February 20 2015 06:15 LightningStrike wrote: The non confirmed players are either Mafia or SK and I finding you as either the SK or Mafia by Process of Elimation from all my reads and the confirmed towns were claimed roles or mod confirmed (BH) and then I decided to go meta reading players and elimated but the 5 in the non confirmed pile so that means that you are either A. Mafia or B. Serial Killer. I mean, explain how I have "mafia traits" from my meta in depth plz. examples necessary. | ||
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On February 20 2015 06:28 LightningStrike wrote: Ya when you are Mafia you tend to super tunnel on someone for Example me in Carol of the Bells and Dr.H in Imperial. This game you been tunneled on HTS and now Me and this is the type of trait I associate with you when you are Mafia. Although i remember you Mass Murderer Slip was hilarious in Carol I mean you're right I tunnel as both alignments. you obviously don't care very much about this read since you weren't willing to actually go find examples like asked. your read is not only bad, but made up. I am not tryharding enough to be scum this game, and there has been 0 conviction in any of my reads until this one. so I don't know where you have this "tunnel" shit coming from. in fact last phase I gave a complicated null read on HtS. | ||
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From Carol, examples of me tunneling on FF: On December 10 2014 06:22 ritoky wrote: ##vote: fecalfeast I already made a case on him earlier. He word for word sheeped large portions of my read on LS and then tried to dumb tell and say he didn't read my post; even though his previous post was about 3 posts before mine and his read post was about 3 posts after mine. I then subsequently asked him for his read on me since he sheeped me so hard; he claimed null, which to me makes no sense. If you're gonna sheep someone's read that intensely as town, you should at least have a leaning town read on them. He is not coming from a town perspective. He then comes back to the thread and says these: Whining and excuses, coupled with 0 development in his LS read. Mine developed and changed when over half the content since I went to sleep was about LS, why didn't his develop? Probably cuz he doesn't give 2 shits about the read and just tried to sheep me. Also his read on kita is bullcrap and he hasn't done anything with it. Kita voted and said 27nb was scum 4 hrs into the game so pass for the day? Like wait woah hey what the flying fuck is that? He should die. also koshi joins alakaslam as town. On December 10 2014 08:30 ritoky wrote: Well no1 else seems to see what I see in ff, like you're not even responding to his reads post, which is all kindsa messed up and worthless. Let's really look into this: he gave us his updated reads and all of them are null except 1, which is town. now break them down individually: rsoultin - i don't even know where he draws this line of thought from. the actual content of the read isn't awful until you get to the end where he makes this giant unflipped association with no real substance behind it...like i don't even know? either pushing scum or tmi or something. there's just something funky smelling. also that bit at the end seems to indicate that he now thinks LS is town or knows LS is town, when his last post about LS was that he thought LS was mafia. froggy - why is this read even here, it does nothing obi - read is okay enough, would prefer example but i got no probs with it batsnacks - again why is this read even here. you find it strange, well that's cool; tell me what strange means to you. i find strange on day 1 to mean mafia. seems like he really doesn't want to commit. ritoky - trying to stir the pot lonemeow - this is the most bizarre read to me even though it is the most committed. like why do you have this read on LM yet not the EXACT SAME READ on koshi or vivax or people like that? they are also high content, low post count people. they are asking questions and giving reads, why are you not applying your standards to them as well? tube - epitome of his stances thus far: "i am not sure how i feel" he seems to be trying to ride the middle way too hard and is non-committal as all hell, his LS read is off in the middle of nowhere all the sudden even though it is apparently integral to his rasputin read. i just can't see this guy acting from a town perspective, and not a single person has told me why he is yet, even though i have been asking non-stop. From Imperial, examples of me tunneling on sicklucker: On January 02 2015 16:34 ritoky wrote: so we're lynching sicklucker like...immediately and unanimously at the start of next phase right? spends most of phase talking about why geript is mafia, randomly shennanie hammers a town for no stated reason coming off of the guy he hast stated is role hunting and mafia....guy was mafia last phase, still mafia this phase. needs to die immediately. like 0 questions asked. On January 06 2015 20:00 ritoky wrote: Sicklucker's cop claim is a pile of shit. I mean it is really steamy. Like he "blatantly" softs a green check on LM; 3 people ask him about his read on LM, he responds to none of them. 2 of the 3 keep pushing on him for his read even though he blatantly refuses to respond and so he scum reads them for it. What the hell is that crap? You're scum reading people for asking you for a reason? AND calling them bad? W/e move on. He has scum read superbia and ksc for pushing for a reason for his read on a "blatant" soft that literally 0 people picked up on. But then he changes his story entirely claiming to have a green on damdred now instead; which first and foremost is a load of crap, however when he changes his story for who his green check is on, he doesn't change his reads. He continues reading superbia and ksc scum for pushing for a reason on a FAKE check that he has admitted to lying about; and keeps that as a base presmise of his read. Then to put the cherry on top he lumps me in with ksc and superbia claiming that I joined in on the pressuring of the cop. Only to rescind the claim entirely because it is the biggest crap claim since my fake cop claim with a green check (going to talk about that next); yet after that he doesn't rescind or modify his scum reads at all even though they are predicated on him lying to people, them noticing the lie and pointing it out/seeking justification. I would like to remind you that I did not post between when you claimed cop and when I voted, yet here he is lumping me in and placing blame. You want to scum read me for being disengaged from the game? That's fine (WIFOM: I post more and am more engaged as mafia, look it up). But to accuse me of this stupid shit is just a lie. It is just setting me up as ML bait. Now as I mentioned before, his claim is the worst since I bungled the crap out of a fake cop claim about 5 months ago? Not exactly sure, been sifting through my games trying to find the posts so I can quote them, no luck so far. If I find them I will quote them. The point is, I did something VERY similar to what SL did in terms of cop claim, where I faked a check, changed my story, and in night phase I rescinded my claim. It was met with such utter hostility and regarded as the worst play people had ever seen both during and after the game. One person in particular was championing that: Robik. He was mafia in the game, so his in game comments are negligible but he spent 2 solid pages after the game railing into me about how it was the worst play ever and he would lynch the living hell out of anyone who did that stupid crap as either alignment. In this game? He seems to have simply accepted it with 0 qualms. Robik could very well be mafia here. go ahead and find that in my filter this game. news flash, you can't. you just made up a read because it was the popular thing to do to scum read me. you're mafia. | ||
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On February 20 2015 06:53 LightningStrike wrote: Fine show me your town games and I will take a look at them. so wait, you're meta reading me as mafia when you have no idea about my town play and I am not emulating my mafia play? WHAT? | ||
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On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet. I mean, regardless of your alignment. If you don't have an understanding of someone's play as both alignments, why in the hell would you ever try to meta read them? Beyond that, it's your only stated reason for scum reading me and you just openly invalidated it. | ||
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On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet. also you kinda implicitly agreed that I am not emulating my mafia play here. but I am not that cruel. OR AM I? | ||
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On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote: I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife. Told you where? You realize that HtS' entire read on me is OMGUS right? Like she completely agreed with everything I was saying, then I didn't like her moving her read off of rayn onto someone else for a weak reason. Considering it now, she moved it from a town onto a town and was the last person to move, which seems like a really useless play to make as mafia so HtS is probably town. You also still haven't answered the above questions about where the tunnel is in my filter this game. | ||
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On February 20 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote: I just checked your filter and you weren't super tunneled this game on HTS but you were on me. Here are the posts you had on you scumreading me: There you go you welcome. so my "tunnel" on you this game was 3 posts prior to you manufacturing a read on me about an hour ago? yeah you got rekt. go look at those games you cited, literally 75% of my posts are on the person I am tunneling. now I just need to figure out if you're doing this as donkey town, because this is entering that potentially too terrible to be mafia area. | ||
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On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote: I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife. still kinda interested in this. she told you this where? cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you? cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt. | ||
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On February 17 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote: Also I think ritoky is town this game since he not fighting anyone at all like he did in his two games when I saw him play as Mafia. What's even worse is here is LS town reading me early in the game for my meta of not tunneling and fighting, which he has now flipped to scum read me for what reason exactly? Thank you for this find BH, I only read the HtS portion of this interaction. | ||
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On February 20 2015 10:05 IAmRobik wrote: WHY THE FUCK WOULD HTS NEED TO BE LYNCHED?!?!? because the implication from the quote is that 1 of 3 things happened. either a) they had this interaction in a scum qt and he slipped -> both are scum b) they had this interaction in private messaging somehow -> modkill for rules c) LS is lying about the interaction entirely and made it up -> LS scum, HtS = ? in all 3 scenarios LS dies, figure the 2nd part out after. | ||
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On February 20 2015 10:18 LightningStrike wrote: Found it and it was me talking to HTS and which HTS responded to me that's why it might not be in my filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=16#309 what in the holy fuck? this post has 0 to do with anything and responds to FF? you don't even post on this page, the page before it or the page after it. | ||
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On February 20 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote: Crap wrong post. Here it is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=89#1762 On February 20 2015 09:30 Blazinghand wrote: Truncated quote: So basically, there's only one time in the ENTIRE thread where HtS replies to lightningstrike about ritoky, and that's this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771576 talks about ritoky passivity as town vs scum, and his engagmeent with scumreads, with lightningstrike, sepcifically asking about meta and it does not line up because there's no mention DrH or the fact that ritoky is less aggressive. She's asking questions: I think this is a fine reason to lynch both LS and HtS On February 20 2015 09:42 ritoky wrote: What's even worse is here is LS town reading me early in the game for my meta of not tunneling and fighting, which he has now flipped to scum read me for what reason exactly? Thank you for this find BH, I only read the HtS portion of this interaction. | ||
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On February 20 2015 10:27 LightningStrike wrote: I ninja'd you the post above yous I quoted your post, so you didn't ninja. I was showing you that both BH and I had already dealt with that post, how it has nothing to do with this supposed conversation you had with HtS, how it is literally your only direct interaction in the entire thread, and how even worse it expresses that you held the exact opposite read for the same meta reasons and have now flipped it for no justified reasons. | ||
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On February 19 2015 08:31 ritoky wrote: examining current vote count, if there's been changed votes since this, I am too tired atm to fix shit. so the first thing I would like to draw your attention to is the vote on lian. by my metrics of numbers in my head and just game statistics, there is almost certainly to be at least 1 mafia on that wagon and likely 2. so I want to start narrowing it down a bit. superbia is town until proven otherwise because of a veteran claim, I am town because duh. I have a town lean on robik (less than yesterday but not gone yet). so we strike them off of here for the time being. that leaves 5: BH, LS, damdred, rsoul, and FF. let's ignore FF for now because he is an outlier. if you look at the votes so far today, they have paired off. BH and rsoul are on VA and damdred and LS are on rayn. I would not be surprised if these pairs were aligned, which makes the vote on rayn super interesting to me, being that BH is a possible if not likely JK who is claimed for quite a while; so I would be more inclined to believe at this point that the rsoul + BH pair is less likely mafia than the LS + damdred pairing. the weird thing though is independent of this vote analysis I think damdred is probably town though, but I really didn't like breshke when breshke was playing, so it could just be a good player fooling me. anyway back to FF, the issue I am having with FF this game is that I have seen invested screaming FF town and invested screaming FF mafia, but never uninvested FF for as long as he was this game. he is just playing completely different than I have seen before, hence why I am more inclined toward him being sk. remember this post team? REMEMBER IT? The dream is alive ##vote: lightningstrike there is absolutely 0 justifiable reason not to. | ||
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On February 20 2015 13:26 Half the Sky wrote: Several. Regarding the read on LS, as Rasputin said, LS really is the low-hanging fruit, easy to mislynch, just because he's not the most persuasive person in the world. Had similar problems in Carol, and a scum Ritoky seized upon my early incoherence in that game. Regarding earlier reasons, I already justified my reasons for voteswitches for Ritoky. First off, he accuses me of copying his read on Fecalfeast at the beginning regarding his comfort level. Yet he never went after liancourt who did the EXACT SAME THING after I did and he flipped town. Selective reading on that end. I also argued earlier this game that Ritoky isolated a post and took it out of context when I switched voting onto Blazinghand earlier D1. What Ritoky did in his scumread on me was isolate a SINGLE post without considering what I did before and after the post he chose to present in his case. I made my case that a JK claim 10h prior to lynch was not credible, which represents followthrough. He also makes a lot of leaps in logic, particularly with when I discussed the hypothical SK strategy, which YOU ACTUALLY QUESTIONED why Ritoky was pinging me when others made their own theories. Those are just a few examples, but his leaps in logic have been problematic all game. On February 18 2015 08:02 ritoky wrote: I am really having trouble not scum reading this chica, pls someone halp me. your scum reads have literally not developed in the slightest. check here: then there's the whole part where you pulled your vote off rayn for a bad reason after focusing on him so much. then there's the part where you plagiarized large parts of my read on ff then scum read me in the next breath. then there's the part where you had a TMI post about the night kills. then there's the part where your read on me is terrible. then there's the part where you constantly state going to bed/etc for reasons for not being here then there's the part where I criticize you for lacking conviction and now you're overcompensating. I weigh all of that against you sharing similar reads to me and the amount of work put into the ff stuff and I arrive at WARRRRGHARBBBLE land. yup no consideration to the entirety of your game. none whatsoever. | ||
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On February 20 2015 16:23 Fecalfeast wrote: Hi ritoky why didn't bh die you think? roleblock him and let townies try and wifom BH as a ML is an easy strat. superbia not dying is the more odd one to me. if you're rbing a jk and his vet power is claimed to be expended....eh no point in going down the wifom road now when there's a clear scum in LS on the table. if BH is alive tomorrow, then start thinking about it since medic alive through that many night phases while claimed is sketch-city. | ||
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On February 20 2015 17:06 Alakaslam wrote: Verily. Anyway, ritoky what do you think of the venerable alakaslam? Truly I must seek out the position of my chupazic endeavors. Only the replies of others can assist me in this, so Whatever main point, what do you think of me ritoky. Now & again I will do this sort of stuff. I usually make really god tier reads on day 1 as town and I get into this bad habit over the course of the game of forgetting them or talking myself out of them. I had 2 real solid reads day 1 and it was robik town and slam town, so I plan to stick to them. that said you went from my top town to not my top town since last we spoke. I was very surprised when you elected not to comment on my counter-nuking of the anti-chupazi movement on LS. even if it was an offhanded joke. It seemed like the kind of read that would really tickle your chupazi. | ||
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? It dominated the entire night phase? On February 20 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote: still kinda interested in this. she told you this where? cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you? cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt. it starts on 159 I think and goes for about 2 or 3 pages of me + bh showing exactly why LS is scum | ||
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On February 20 2015 17:15 Half the Sky wrote: OP does not indicate roleblock preference between RB and JK, so we can assume that roleblocks resolve simultaneously, just as Superbia concluded with simultaneous KP. If RB and JK roleblock resolve simultaneously, what you just said makes zero sense. Basically you're arguing that mafia would roleblock but not kill a confirmed JK over a vet with no protection? When that aforementioned JK still has a potential to roleblock a possible janitor in the mix? You bore me, Ritoky. someone prompted me to explain why BH could be alive....and I gave a potential reason? you done? how about you address the fact that you used damdred's flip to try to call me mafia, yet I called breshke mafia since basically the start of the game and demonstrated the vote logic to show a damdred + LS team was very feasible last phase even before any of this stuff. LS is scum, you need to get that through your head. BH is town you need to get that through your head. if you can't then you're probably scum too. | ||
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Guess who did have damdred as mafia? This guy. Re-orient your reads quickly. | ||
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On February 20 2015 17:27 Blazinghand wrote: hey ritoky, let's talk strategy realy quick. I can push on LS pretty hard if you want, but it might actually hurt the wagon since many players (who are not at your/my level) don't trust me for some reason. At the very least I'm gonna post a quick summary and a couple links, and do the usual respond-to-questions thing, but do you want a hard push on LS from me, or just the regular casewriting? I'm thinking a hard push would be counterproductive to getting LS lynched Who would be the viable alternative to a LS lynch today? I still don't have a firm opinion on VA like you do, so that's troublesome. | ||
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On February 20 2015 17:32 Blazinghand wrote: I'm voting LS either way, and writing a decent case on him, barring something very strange happening. The question is do you think it would help us lynch him if I want HAM on him or would it be better if I let you drive the wagon just do a normal case on him, if people can't see it clearly from that point then they're not going to understand it when being beaten over the head with it. | ||
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On February 20 2015 17:48 Half the Sky wrote: Damdred flipped scum and others will be using his filter to look for associative reads. Are you not reading the thread? Yes, Ritoky, you can call any of your teammates mafia for later credit when they flip. I wasn't born yesterday. A few others had Breshke on the lynchables list for his lurking. Your point? VCA is a great tool to use when you're town but scum are capable of misrepresenting that too. You've been misrepresenting things all game. LS sheeps votes a lot as town, so with a Damdred flip of course it's going to make any town you managed to pair off with him two days in a row look bad. you didn't address what i asked you at all, why are you avoiding it? you should know that i am the king of vote logic, i champion vote logic moreso than any active player on these forums; to tell if i am town look if i am drawing conclusions from it. | ||
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A couple hours before rayn's cop claim: On February 19 2015 06:33 marvellosity wrote: Vote Count BlazingHand (1) - VayneAuthority VayneAuthority (2) - BlazingHand, rsoultin raynpelikoneet (5) - Damdred, LightningStrike, Palmar, Half the Sky, Alakaslam Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet raynpelikoneet is set to be lynched. 7h26m until deadline End of day vote count? I think this is accurate: On February 19 2015 12:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: That story almost made me fuck up the votecount raynpelikoneet (8) - Half the Sky, ritoky, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Palmar, Alakaslam, Superbia, Damdred, Fecalfeast Palmar (1) - Raynpelikoneet LightningStrike (1) - IAmRobik Blazinghand (1) - VayneAuthority VayneAuthority (1) - Blazinghand Not Voting (1): prplhz Voting ends in On February 17 2015 15:50 ritoky wrote: Day 1 Votecount liancourt (8) - Blazinghand, IAmRobik, LightningStrike, FecalFeast, ritoky, Breshke, Superbia, rsoultin Blazinghand (5) - Half the Sky, VayneAuthority, liancourt, KelsierSC, prplhz Town Puppy (1) - Alakaslam raynpelikoneet (1) - Palmar Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet rsoultin (1) - Town Puppy I am green because I am town, superbia is green because his claim makes 0 sense from a mafia perspective given the context, and BH is green cuz of his claim and play combined. The following may be hard to follow and choppy because it is me just dumping a train of thought. Like I said earlier in my previous vote analysis, I think there is likely 2 mafia if not more who voted on lian day 1. damdred/breshke was 1, which would leave likely 1 more between LS/FF/rsoul. If you look at the prior to rayn claim sample for votes, LS has followed damdred onto rayn, rsoul is on VA, and FF isn't voted (he is I believe the last person to vote on rayn). The only 2 question marks who weren't on rayn last phase were VA (voted on BH both phases) and prphlz (who is in modkill range after not voting, so isn't worth discussing unless he comes back). If we assume there's 1 mafia amongst these two lurky players (which isn't an unreasonable assumption); then that leaves the last mafia in slam, palmar, and hts; and an sk somewhere. So grouping on day 1: 1 between LS, FF, rsoul 1 between prphlz, VA 1 between slam, palmar, hts at mid day: LS -> rayn, FF - > n/a, rsoul -> VA prp -> n/a, VA -> BH slam -> n/a, palm -> rayn, hts -> rayn Examining the 3rd pairing, palmar was really championing the rayn lynch which was followed up on by both damdred and HtS, palmar least likely mafia in this grouping from votes because his wagon on rayn. Mafia more likely between slam and hts. slam votes inconsequential (town) then rayn, hts votes secondary wagon. Statistically hts more likely mafia based on "mafia don't want to be caught stray voting" statistics. Also, if slam mafia and if mafia killed eden at night makes no sense for his vote to be parked there. So likelihood of mafia by each grouping: group a: 1) LS, 2) rsoul, 3) FF group b: 1) VA 2) prp (prp only second because en route to modkill) group c: 1) HtS 2) Slam 3) Palmar i think i am wrong somewhere in there, and i am not really sure where from pure voting logic. i have to sleep, so i will look back at this tomorrow to see if it still makes sense. meanwhile, LS is mafia. | ||
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toward the end of day 1 LS gave a meta read on me that I was town for not fighting and tunneling, during this past night phase he flipped that read for no reason. he claimed I was now mafia for meta reasons for tunneling HtS, I asked him to prove it, he rescinded and claimed I was tunneling him because of 3 posts I made stating he could be mafia. this read is a DIRECT CONTRADICTION to his earlier read. someone please explain to me how that is not scum? | ||
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On February 21 2015 00:07 rsoultin wrote: Blazinghand, is your main reason for scumreading LS that one post about HtS? Because, frankly, I think that's beneath you, and I'm not at all comfortable with Damdred's willingness to call it damning, either. Ritoky's vote analysis has more backing in logic than that, although I'm not sure how statistically sound it is to assume mafia follow each other around like ducklings. There's a lot more statistics and logic to my vote analysis, I just elect to not post it in the thread cuz I have before and people find it unreadable and boring as hell and choose not to read it. I track lynches contributed to, town/mafia voted on, most voted with, when scum vote on partners, first 3 and last 3 on a wagon, and more such things. but I mean simply look at the #s for the day 1 votes, there are (for me) 8 people who are question marks on that vote. 3 of them are on the lead lynch, 3 of them are on the secondary lynch, and 2 are stray voting. generally speaking from my statistics I keep stray voting is a way that mafia easily die late in the game, so many non-afk type mafia tend to avoid it. palmar and slam aren't really the afk type. anyway just by averages alone it would say that there is 1 among each block of voting, but if you bring in the second vote you can see patterns emerge of people voting with eachother, when they move, etc. there's a lot of explaining to it, but suffice it to say that if I look at my statistics when there are split votes mafia very often vote in blocks of 2 or 3, and in consolidated votes can often be found bunched. | ||
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On February 21 2015 05:24 LightningStrike wrote: Okay let's lynch Slam he seems like his mafia meta from Slytherin this game. He doesn't seem to scum hunt or do his own pushes and wouldn't push any of his reads this game. He's Mafia this game and here's his filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477307-slytherin-mini-mafia?user=Alakaslam ##Vote: Alakaslam this isn't finding mafia, this is just quoting a game and telling me to find mafia. | ||
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On February 21 2015 06:33 Superbia wrote: I think wagons on both prplhz and slam is good start to this day. ##Vote: prplhz 1) what is wrong with the LS vote? 2) why the hell would you ever vote on some1 who is en route to be modkilled? | ||
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On February 21 2015 06:38 Superbia wrote: I don't think LS is scum. What's the status on prplhz? Is he set to be modkilled, replaced or warned? Why? | ||
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On February 21 2015 06:43 Superbia wrote: It's in my filter. His filter seems very similar to his town game and absolutely dissimilar to his scum game. I would be fine with you starting a wagon on him and seeing how it plays out. I did over 24 hours ago? Did you not read pages 158-161? I put NOTICE in caps that everyone needs to read it. | ||
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On February 22 2015 02:12 prplhz wrote: i'll look into a few things now. you come back after not voting and posting for like 48 hours, and you're going to look into things for 3 hours and do nothing. if you're town, you're essentially anti-town at this point. | ||
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I don't see how I can not lynch LS this phase still given the case against him and that he basically conceded as an attempt for sympathy when I asked him to find scum...like that shit just makes me want to lynch him even more. | ||
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cuz my spreadsheet tracks lots of things from the games I have played in as well as stuff from this particular game. some examples for game specifics are: who votes with who, who votes on town, who votes on mafia, who votes for the primary lynch, who votes for the secondary lynch, who stray votes some examples for "macro" trackers are: % of mafia who vote on primary wagon per day, % of mafia voting on partners day 1, successful day 1 lynch rate, composites of above stats, and a couple others that don't usually give anything relevant but I track anyway. | ||
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On February 22 2015 07:50 Palmar wrote: please no shenanigans. I know there is not a single vote on me but I just feel the shennies lurking around the corner. I WILL defend myself if put under pressure as town. It's objectively bad play to not give myself a chance to do so. can you give reads? I feel like you've kinda given up on the game a bit after rayn flipped town. even if it's a list with no explanation. | ||
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you make a big deal out of a joke mafia claim, which is whatever; for most people it is not alignment indicative at all to joke claim early in the day, then you make a deal out of him not wanting to kill rayn day 1....rayn is a really strong town normally so I can understand that sentiment, and the rest I just kinda find incoherent and hard to understand. to be fair I have absolutely no read on prp and wasn't trying to bother having one because I figured an impending sub or modkill; so I guess I need to work on that not to mention I asked you to find scum and you conceded, then went for the lowest of the low hanging fruit in the game, and gave nothing else....like this doesn't scream town in the slightest. | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:56 Alakaslam wrote: Members of the scumteam! Beware we, the CHUPAZI. We have great wisdom and will find you all and Now, to my fellow CHUPAZI; a task! Identify each of us within the images! Should be fun 4 most of the game. Us all being present far from guaranteed; not enough Disney CHUPAZI Slam, name the chupazi in this post. | ||
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pretty sure it's been me calling you SK all game? dunno who else has. cuz you're not invested heavily in your lynch targets....you keep deferring to others and you spent all of day 1 just completely uninterested in the game. | ||
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On February 22 2015 09:10 prplhz wrote: i'd pick LS' case apart but honestly, i feel like he's probably town. we should probably lynch into one of the people who aren't anything such as slam or FF. that's where scum are hiding. god you look scummy..... | ||
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you've literally spent the entire game yelling about how I am mafia, and now that you can't be right, you've switched to me as SK. can you just admit being wrong and move on already? | ||
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On February 24 2015 05:10 Half the Sky wrote: You realise I'm not the only one who has/have called you SK, right? you mean like confirmed mafia? | ||
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On February 24 2015 05:13 prplhz wrote: pls well then convince me to believe slam, who is an uncc'd cop and who's only motivation to make this play as mafia is for the lulz, is fake and mafia.......go. | ||
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good effort on the defense there. | ||
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really frustrating game for me, I feel I played really well and the mafia didn't hold up their end of the bargain. I mean 3 of em basically quit (1 of which got subbed), and for some reason they decided to leave confirmed towns alive forever....would love to see the discussion or lack thereof in their QT about why in the living hell they left so many confirmed alive. outside of that I had god tier reads for my NKs, except I thought slam was the godfather and rsoul was the cop...woopsy daisy on that 1. also, that case on LS is so fucking good, like legit baller level case am very proud of that. outside of that it was fun, SK is a role with an extremely low probability of winning and I don't enjoy the role anyway; and I felt if like 1 thing had broken my way the entire game i.e. mafia shooting confirmeds, I was f5 bound at least. GG, sorry about my activity dropoff and the anti-climactic ending, but y'know.....marriage. | ||
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On February 25 2015 20:12 Palmar wrote: You shot us ritoky. Terrible decision. The night I shot damdred, I basically had to. #1 because damdred has a fucking soul read on me, think he has gotten my alignment wrong once in the past 8 games or something, and he was mafia so he was probably just making shit up. secondly because if I don't shoot you there, and we fuck up the lynch the next day I am in an unwinnable position. the shennanie on you really fucked us both palm, cuz I wanted to kill you that night so that we would lynch town -> I kill mafia, lynch town -> I kill mafia; etc. until we were down to f5 or f3. unfortunately I thought I was mafia siding with slam all game and turns out I had him and rsoul flipped :/ I really wanted that LS lynch through, and if it was anyone who was normally coherent, I feel like it would have gone thru. | ||
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On February 20 2015 09:43 Blazinghand wrote: @FF Yeah. I gotta admit, I am not on ritoky's level. Damn ritoky good catch. You have my bow. It's also worth noting that if, by some insane stretch, you are mafia (or actually plausibly, SK), you are still above my level because a play like this as scum would be brilliant. also this post made me smile | ||
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On February 25 2015 20:55 rsoultin wrote: honestly I wanted a BH kill more than a superbia kill, but prp was kinda spooked by him for palmar which I don't understand, cause sup was straight-up townreading him and actually working with me to "solve" the game, so i'm not sure why he was so threatening? I just kinda let others do what they want too often I think jat convinced me to shoot eden over confirmed town breshke the previous game. I just need to be more forceful about what I think the best play is I think. yeah I am kinda with you on this point. like you had sway over superbia to some degree, or at least minimal influence, I think he would have been much easier for you guys to work with than BH who was basically only really siding with himself, me, and slam at that point. | ||
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On February 25 2015 20:56 rsoultin wrote: that said, ritoky...so not apologizing for making your game unwinnable when you shot me then don't incidentally soft cop! jeez! | ||
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On February 25 2015 21:01 rsoultin wrote: lol I never softed cop I claimed vt Day 1 -amused- I don't remember where, but you had one read in the game that was like meh-leaning scum or something. then the next day you were like "this person is town jesus" and there was nothing I saw them do to deserve it, so I figured you were cop. | ||
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On February 25 2015 21:01 rsoultin wrote: dude my choice night actions were kill bh rb ritoky ... lol >< /and/ I'd half-jokingly predicted i'd be shot before that sometimes being right just isn't as satisfying as you'd think yeah I looked at the mafia qt, some good moments in there. palmar calling lots of ppl shit, damdred's only contribution being a soul read on me (fk u damd), and ur calling your own death. | ||
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On February 25 2015 21:07 Superbia wrote: The problem was mostly that I was listening to people because I thought they had put a lot of time into the game, even though I was disagreeing with what they were saying. I agree that listening and cooperating with people is key to the game, but that time put into the game is a wrong metric to follow (it was mostly guilt that I had put less time into the game than others, which led me to pursue my own reads less because I felt it would be unfair). Some people try harder as town, some people try harder as mafia. People's investment in the game should not be alignment indicative unless they have a very distinct meta that someone who has played lots with them can elaborate on and give reasonable evidence for. Also as town, err on the side of suspicion. | ||
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On February 25 2015 21:14 Half the Sky wrote: GGs everyone. WP town. Get rekt scumteam.....especially you Ras-pew-tin hehe but seriously massive improved scumgame m'lady! I'm sorry I was total shite this game. GG WP Ritoky. I'm sorry (but not sorry) I tunnelled you all game. Congrats again on getting married! I mean, it was the right call...for a very bad reason initially, then a PoE reason. Right call, wrong reason; doesn't matter you still won Like if that game had any uncertainty at the point where you shifted from "he's scum cuz extra info" to "oh...he can't be scum, guess he sk!" I think I coulda flipped it, but my chances at winning had passed me by at that point. | ||
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On February 26 2015 04:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am fucking mad for getting lynched for having almost perfect reads for like sixth time in my life. and you fuckfaces never learn. isn't that more credit deserved to those who were anti-town and were capable of getting you out of the way early? | ||
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On February 26 2015 06:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: not really. it is a sign of bad or ignorant (which is bad anyways) town play. Meh, I disagree. In this case your entire wagon was orchestrated by a conscious push from mafia (palmar and damdred) and someone who was mafia siding hard for the early game (HtS); and as a result of them forming that wagon it eventually came back them in the ass really hard. Idk I think your lynch was pretty dumb, but not that dumb knowing who the scum were. | ||
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I think in the game in the state it was in, there was no real established town leader and no real unified town reads who were vocal about a lynch target and gaining traction. You claiming cop like you did gave everyone who was unsure or looking for someone to sheep the easiest excuse in the world to slap a vote on you without hesitation....something about rayn yelling at me a long time ago for fake claiming as VT and deserving to get lynched for it. | ||
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