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On February 11 2015 12:42 VayneAuthority wrote: every titanic game turns into a shitshow cant ruin the tradition How so? This is my first one. And is this the game where we're forced to vote in MSPaint? Just realised the 5am deadline though...well it is insanity for me, but this player list will make it worth it <3 | ||
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If it's a 13 player game, then I understand having observed Metal Mini... Unless you lot hate third-party players in general... | ||
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On February 11 2015 23:03 rsoultin wrote: <3s the deadline I can go to work and still actually be around for EoD! lol Guess it's our (the euros') turn to struggle with EoD now, at least those of us who work days anyhow. I don't know how some of them managed with a 5-6am EoD in Imperial, deary me. I think my preliminary plan is to AFK vote (just to get a vote in so I don't get modkilled) to the best of my knowledge, before I go to bed, and then set an alarm for 4am and then try and catch up, but if that gets me scumread or lynched for "jumps in logic" or if I get scumread for keeping my vote somewhere before AFKing and the wagons shift afterwards, isolating my vote, then I guess there's probably nothing I can do. I definitely feel for you the last two games not being able to post, and it was irregardless of alignment. The difference in your posting was clearly visible for you on weekends, not just quantity but honestly quality too. Hard not to be rushed when you can only spare a 30m lunch break to play off your phone. | ||
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On February 12 2015 01:40 justanothertownie wrote: Third partys suck in general. Then there is the awful deadline. Then there is the not rnged role distribution. Good. I wanted to take a break anyways. Watch me wind up with the SK role...that would probably be the worst with the most difficult wincon hehe. As for deadline, times are shite for someone somewhere. The Asians/Aussies have this problem nearly every game, so I am curious for myself if I can adjust well to this type of deadline. If I can't then I'll know going forward. On the flip side, you had Artanis who wrecked Imperial with a 6am deadline so... At least on the upside, I can get my morning workouts out of the way after EoD and before I head to work. *happy dance* So let's see what happens... EDIT: Yeh, I fail at reading the OP. | ||
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On February 12 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote: /in not clear if there is room. if there is, i'm in. Huzzah! Looking forward to our first game together... Watch him RNG his votes on scummers | ||
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On February 13 2015 14:26 LightningStrike wrote: Town Puppy is Eden 100% | ||
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On February 13 2015 07:25 Fecalfeast wrote: 2 games at once fight me *fights you* Well 2 at once is too much for me, I did that and learnt the hard way. | ||
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On February 14 2015 06:10 IAmRobik wrote: i just meant in general...all nights are gonna be at midnight? yuck 5am EoD for me...would you like to magically switch places Robik? ... Didn't think so | ||
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I never thought I'd see the day I'd wake up this early (it's 4:50am now...) for a mafia game. Getting some coffee, looking forward to the start! Huzzah! <3 | ||
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On February 14 2015 13:50 IAmRobik wrote: that's commitment...would be unfortunate if you roll mafia Independent of these games, I'm a fairly early riser...although a 4am wakeup time is going to test me a bit once we're actually underway here, regardless of alignment. If it proves too much for me, I just won't sign up for games with such EoDs going forward. But this should be a fun game with the players here, even with the SK...and there are other Euros in the lineup so I figure it's worth a shot. Edit: Also in the same boat as you on V-Day, I have to be out most of the afternoon/evening here so need to get in some playtime here as early as I can | ||
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And btw I'm a miller...so if I get checked for red, you know why. | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:09 IAmRobik wrote: I went to random.org and his name popped up as mafia Are you going to RNG your vote too, Robik? | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:11 IAmRobik wrote: I already RNG'd. BH is mafia.. FUCKING LYNCH HIM Voting thread not up if you are voting him... | ||
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What do you think of Robik so far btw? | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:11 IAmRobik wrote: Seriously though. Let's vote this day to be IML and lynch BH before he even posts I thought you said in other threads you hated IML? | ||
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You played with him in Linux I believe, no basis for comparison even in the slightest? (I know you didn't play Void, but I know you shadowed/obsed that game, and if you remember Vivax's craziness....) | ||
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VA, I claimed on the previous page FYI. Robik, why are you advocating the use of IML (or in this case, an IML like strategy) when you have stated in other threads that you aren't a fan of IML? | ||
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Does BH also troll when he plays? Does he troll D1? | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I have observed a couple BH games. He does some math bullshit and RNGs his lynch as you know. What I have seen is that most people agree that RNG lynch is a good place to park as mafia and ignores him. Then BH writes his case on his RNG lynch and the sheep just kinda march right into the pen. Does he do this as mafia or as either alignment? | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:29 ritoky wrote: he believes that on D1, a lynch through RNG gives the same or higher probability of lynching mafia than coming to a consensus/going on reads/etc. depending on how saucy he is feeling he will say that RNG should be committed to beyond D1, but sometimes he doesn't go that far. needless to say, many disagree with his POV on d1, and others view it as a cop-out where he doesn't actually play D1. Alright, this makes a little more sense. It's plausible he could be on in the next few hours, since I recall him being US west coast...so he if pops on, we'll see what he says. | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:29 LightningStrike wrote: He deserves his own category and yes I know that Vivax got his own category after that game because he went batshit crazy in that entire game. You played with Robik in Metal Mini (I think?) and in Linux. Why do you think he deserves his own category now? Didn't you form your reads on him in prior games? | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:31 IAmRobik wrote: Ritoky is mafia btw Because....??? | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:32 IAmRobik wrote: Slam might be mafia for making too much sense He tries harder I think as scum, but still doesn't have the thread pull from what was said in the Void obs qt, for those of you that played that game. Still not sure how to specifically read his posts, per se. | ||
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Robik/Slam/Ritoky any thoughts on this? | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:39 Breshke wrote: HtS what have you actually gotten from all these questions? We're only 40 mins into the game. I have some preliminary thoughts right now. I was scumreading LS based on his first few posts on Robik, didn't seem like he wanted to commit one way or another, even though I qualified the read to a single post. He answered though based on his meta. Still noncomittal though. Surely he formed a read when Robik afked in Linux. Seems weird he wouldn't. I'm not liking the answers I get from LS so far, so tentative scumread. Scum lean on VA based on meta as explained. Ritoky, can't tell right now. Robik tends to troll a bit early on, but not enough exp with him to scumread yet. Was scum in the only game I played with him. | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:37 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't form reads on him for meta reasons but for stuff he did in that game like in Linux he hard claimed named VT and just did nothing in that game other than getting mad at us. Hmmm.... On January 31 2015 06:12 LightningStrike wrote: Ya that is bad play by Robik hard claiming a named VT without any pressure at all. It going to allow Scum to PoE on who is the 2nd blue. Above quote isn't a read per se, but it leads to one. On January 31 2015 13:09 LightningStrike wrote: Robik is uncc'd blue so he's town but I hate his claim though since it's easier for Mafia to PoE the 2nd blue. On January 31 2015 22:11 LightningStrike wrote: I was townreading him before. No because sicklucker always have a weird Day 1 and makes the game awkward almost all of Day 1 either through a trap or trying to coach people...... I also don't like Robik's claim but there is no counterclaim to him so he is a uncc'd blue. On February 02 2015 06:53 LightningStrike wrote: Robik is more likely scum than Damdred and HF so we lynch Robik next Day Phase. | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:47 Breshke wrote: Robik tends to troll a bit early on, but not enough exp with him to scumread yet. Was scum in the only game I played with him. I don't understand the robik bit. Are you saying you think he trolls as either alignment? The wording also confuses me like you plan to scum read him you just dont have a reason yet. Can you clarify.[/QUOTE] My experience with Robik was limited to a short Linux game and Hammertime mafia. In Hammertime, he rolled scum. He trolled a bit for D1, though eventually he did push the same person who was my top scumread. I had townread him once he started getting his act together and taking the game more seriously. However, in the post-game (he afked due to real life reasons and we got endgamed) I had learnt from geript that the easiest way to scumread Robik was based on his postcount. So that's why I think I need to wait. I'm using my prior experience to dictate how I should read him, basically. | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:47 Breshke wrote: I don't understand the robik bit. Are you saying you think he trolls as either alignment? The wording also confuses me like you plan to scum read him you just dont have a reason yet. Can you clarify. My experience with Robik was limited to a short Linux game and Hammertime mafia. In Hammertime, he rolled scum. He trolled a bit for D1, though eventually he did push the same person who was my top scumread. I had townread him once he started getting his act together and taking the game more seriously. However, in the post-game (he afked due to real life reasons and we got endgamed) I had learnt from geript that the easiest way to scumread Robik was based on his postcount. So that's why I think I need to wait. I'm using my prior experience to dictate how I should read him, basically. | ||
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28km to be exact, but I have a marathon in April, it's needs to be done before the V-Day fun | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:03 IAmRobik wrote: Yes. I take from the evil and give to the innocent ritoky! Also, I love archer so fucking much Evil? Are you scumreading anyone and if so whom? Robik? Myself? Can't really tell from how you are phrasing your posts. | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:06 Alakaslam wrote: Hijole trigger plz Gimme someone whom is which CHUPAZI? It must be the time of day for which my brain is mush, but to put it bluntly, I don't understand what you mean there. | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:06 Breshke wrote: I don't understand this but i feel i should Regarding my quotes on LS...here's the thing. I asked him why he didn't have reads on Robik, not even preliminary. He appeared noncomittal at first. Didn't seem he was making any basis for comparison, just called him mad in this thread. But then in Linux, he'd given some reads based on that same behaviour. So my point is, why isn't he doing the same here or at least trying to compare? That's why I think for the time being he should be scumread. | ||
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17-player game might be possible. 13-man based on Horn, unlikely. | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:56 Alakaslam wrote: Members of the scumteam! On February 14 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote: @slam [...] fecalfeast: Ritoky, you're scumreading FF? Why? He doesn't seem to do much D1 as town from what I recall, but what is jumping out at you here? | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:18 Fecalfeast wrote: I love how serious you are all the time lol Heh. I can't tell sarcasm too easily unless I've played with you often, and in your case, I clearly haven't. | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:25 Breshke wrote: There could be I just think it would be ballsy for a mafia to claim miller this early because if like 2+ other millers out that sticks you in the limelight because it isnt really standard. How so? Clarify the bolded please? Sticks me in the light, meaning that it makes me look scum? Or my claiming isn't really standard? Based on what marvellosity said in Horn (and he was town), you typically want to claim it as soon as you can. Which I did as I was here at game start. Later claims of it by any player are more suspicious (though I realise right now a number haven't entered thread yet). And this is the first time I've RNGed that role, so I am going off that. | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:37 Breshke wrote: So therefore i don't think you claim miller that early because it could easily put you up for suspicion especially D1 when there isn't that much to go on. Obviously this isn't something you would want to do as mafia. Now I understand you. Cheers. | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:39 Blazinghand wrote: Interestingly, it looks like in addition to being objectively correct due to RNG, it is ALSO objectively correct to lynch VA because he has so little content. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=VayneAuthority He's clearly here but has not posted enough So Blazinghand, D1 meta for Vayne is that he does jack all. We're less than 2h into the game. Further, you're objectively scumreading him for doing jack all, when it's his known meta? I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time. | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:49 Blazinghand wrote: Well, objectively I'm choosing to scumread him because he got RNGed. Do you deny that he got RNGed? It was truly random and gives us a 30% chance to lynch scum, which is way better than any other case so far. The real question here is why aren't you voting VA yet BH, come on. Yes that was a reason, no I am not denying he got RNGed. But you stated another reason to objectively scumread him. My criticism is of the bolded: On February 14 2015 15:39 Blazinghand wrote: Interestingly, it looks like in addition to being objectively correct due to RNG, it is ALSO objectively correct to lynch VA because he has so little content. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=VayneAuthority He's clearly here but has not posted enough I am disputing your OTHER objective reason for scumreading him. On February 14 2015 15:47 Half the Sky wrote: So Blazinghand, D1 meta for Vayne is that he does jack all. We're less than 2h into the game. Further, you're objectively scumreading him for doing jack all, when it's his known meta? I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time. | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:53 liancourt wrote: welp no voting thread gg my body is ready for 200p game, but my eyes are probably not Read OP - Breshke called me on it as well as I missed it. Vote in here. | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:59 Fecalfeast wrote: Lynch all liars ##vote ritoky LAL tends to lynch town, and is generally more of a threat than actual policy, at least from what I have learnt. Why aren't you commenting on his first assertion, which would appear more substantial. I don't think it's reasonable to expect him to remember every game he's played in with you. | ||
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On February 14 2015 16:05 Fecalfeast wrote: What is there to comment on? He thinks my posting is unnatural. There's nothing to refute or discuss on that point.. Now I'm slightly annoyed by how seriously you take everything... This is generally how I play town. I've played with you before. And Ritoky might have a point here. You don't seem comfortable here. But even if you aren't comfortable with me, why not interact with the others? | ||
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On February 14 2015 16:10 Fecalfeast wrote: Am I to keep notes on when and why I make posts before, during and after I make them? I'll have to find a pen.... That is besides the point. You don't seem very comfortable. Ritoky was the first to make such an observation. I agreed upon seeing your latest response to me. But even prior to my observation, the easiest way to refute that would have been to change your behaviour. | ||
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On February 14 2015 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote: half the sky Well good morning Rayn. Nice of you to greet me with a vote. Care to add an explanation to that? | ||
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On February 14 2015 16:15 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't care what you and ritoky think of my posting, though. I'm not sure how you can gauge my level of comfort through text anyway... You also don't seem very comfortable. You seem like you are trying so hard to act like you're trying to solve a game that's been going on for less than 3 hours... Not any different from how I normally play as town. I say what is on my mind. If you don't agree with it, then counterargue. Level of comfort? You just said you were annoyed at how serious I sounded. That indicates you're not comfortable with me, at least. You've played with me before. You should be somewhat familiar with my town play. | ||
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Also I don't like Robik's post about me because he's not reading and understanding why I'm asking the questions I am, also ironic coming from a player that has said in the townplay discussion thread that he thrives on conversation. Funny that he'll scumread someone else for trying to do the same thing. As I maintained in Horn of Africa, LS is someone I find it very difficult to read, so he is the type of player I will ask 20-odd questions in trying to figure out his alignment. (Right now, I'm leaning scum on him) If you think you have a better way, suggest it. Ritoky made the assertion that Fecalfeast wasn't comfortable. His behaviour didn't change when I started talking to him, I was looking for that change. | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:39 Blazinghand wrote: Interestingly, it looks like in addition to being objectively correct due to RNG, it is ALSO objectively correct to lynch VA because he has so little content. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=VayneAuthority He's clearly here but has not posted enough. On February 14 2015 15:49 Blazinghand wrote: Well, objectively I'm choosing to scumread him because he got RNGed. Do you deny that he got RNGed? It was truly random and gives us a 30% chance to lynch scum, which is way better than any other case so far. The real question here is why aren't you voting VA yet On February 14 2015 15:56 Blazinghand wrote: Fine, let's say that reason is crap, he still has a 30% chance to flip scum, and RNG has never failed me, even once. Vote him. Right now, I'm interpreting this as him trying to justify a scumread, and then when I call him on it (particularly since I had the opposite read based on meta at that time) he backtracks and calls it crap. So this to me is scumlike. Thoughts? | ||
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On February 15 2015 00:17 rsoultin wrote: I believe the point was whether or not you were getting anything from your game of 20 questions. So what makes you lean scum on him? On February 14 2015 14:43 Half the Sky wrote: We're only 40 mins into the game. I have some preliminary thoughts right now. I was scumreading LS based on his first few posts on Robik, didn't seem like he wanted to commit one way or another, even though I qualified the read to a single post. He answered though based on his meta. Still noncomittal though. Surely he formed a read when Robik afked in Linux. Seems weird he wouldn't. I'm not liking the answers I get from LS so far, so tentative scumread. I explained the same to Breshke. If he can talk about Robik more, it would help me resolve this issue. | ||
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On February 15 2015 00:23 rsoultin wrote: Lol, wow. Sweetie. Lovely. Dumb one. <3 Why would you think that BH would have legitimate reasons to scumread an RNGd scumread? Or that his illegitimate bastard reasons would make him more scummy than the 30% scummy he objectively is? Am I missing something? Or completely misreading? I'm sure I'm having a dumb moment, but probably even more frustrating I'm not even sure what you are driving at. To answer your question, he wouldn't. I said it was unproductive. That method in theory could have just churned out any name. I'm just focusing on the non-RNG reason for scumreading him. I think we're talking about something completely different. | ||
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I'm wondering if you're trying to bury me as the easy mislynch. Honestly at this point if you guys are that desperate to lynch me, then, nothing I can really do. My play in trying to figure things is probably sub-optimal, but I'm also not going to help town by doing nothing either. | ||
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On February 15 2015 00:32 rsoultin wrote: Nope, what we're actually talking about is the ridiculousness of you expecting BH's non-RNG reason to push his RNG scumread to be valid xP Valid, as in a real reason? I made my interpretation of that early on before BH reappeared. So let me read past page 17 one more time. | ||
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On February 15 2015 00:32 rsoultin wrote: Nope, what we're actually talking about is the ridiculousness of you expecting BH's non-RNG reason to push his RNG scumread to be valid xP Alright, I'm still not getting it, despite reading a third time. Call me stupid/bad/whatever. At this point I'm just going to ask him to clarify straight up, and move on for the time being. | ||
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On February 15 2015 00:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are people really this dumb? geez i guess BH was right. RAYN: BH ARE YOU FORGING THE READ ON VAYNE BESIDES RNG? BH: OF COURSE I AM RAYN! ...... And yes, I saw this, but it makes me wonder why he brought it up in the first place. I was intending to ask him this. | ||
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On February 15 2015 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Half the Sky reads on Kelsier, liancourt and Superbia? Also that meta i asked on VA. please. Sure. I'm leaning town on Kelsier for now. I have played with Kels as both town and scum. When he is town, he generally focuses on a few people at a time and takes sharper, more critical looks at the quotes. The one scum game I played with him was in Carol, and I recall him adding a lot of people to his town circle almost too easily. He appeared to be making a lot of generalisations on both his town and scumreads (as in not as well supported) when he was scum. His post on VA, even if it's not accurate, reads like his town games. Liancourt...I have yet to play with him as scum. He's going to be difficult for me to read, because he has his "chosen metas" in the 3-4 games I've had with him. On this game alone, he appears to have sheeped the reasons for calling FF scum. I also don't like his reasons or him mentioning that he's going to policy lynch either of VA or Palmar when he's seen those two play the way they have respectively (not doing anything and in Palmar's case, trolling) and then he's still willing to vote someone that still very likely could roll town. On February 14 2015 15:59 liancourt wrote: BH is doing his job of creating content and discussion, although I am fully aware of VA's day1 meta his meta afterwards isn't very shabby either so he's a perfect policy lynch. In my first game with him I lynched VA, second game I gave him a chance, but didnt really meet expectations. Perfect policy lynch. Praise the RNGesus. I specifically find this quote confusing. The "didn't meet expectations" part indicates VA should be getting read as town based on his meta, so I'm wondering why he's willing to lynch VA when he's already implicitly acknowledged where VA's read should be putting him. So I am also leaning scum on Lian. (Continuing to Sup, and VA...) | ||
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In this game, because he seemed to be trying right off the bat I had given him a scumread because it's not what he's ever done as town, not in the few games I've played with him as. I backed off once he said the start time was conducive to his schedule. For now, I'm reading him null. Ritoky suggested I wait until the votes came in D1. If someone should flip he might start doing more work, like he did in Void when I flipped. This is probably the way I'm going to go about reading VA. | ||
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Limited filter on him makes it hard to figure if him questioning BH's RNG was a genuine misunderstanding on his part, or if he did roll scum, an attempt to try and scumread BH. I'm going to say null on him for now because I don't know him and I feel I need more to read him. | ||
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On February 14 2015 14:30 VayneAuthority wrote: I see half the sky as a level headed player that wouldnt go for big plays so im adding miller to my town circle will vote with HTS, thats 2 town votes on mafia already From what I recall he never tried to actually read players or evaluate anyone that soon in the game. That's why it struck me as odd. | ||
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On February 15 2015 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is there a reason for him to call me mafia for the reason he is calling me mafia for? I interpreted those first few posts as him trolling you, and also based on this. On February 14 2015 18:24 Superbia wrote: It's fun and there's a decent chance I might be right. :D | ||
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On February 15 2015 01:52 LightningStrike wrote: I getting the same type of feeling on him this as I had in Campus but this time I got more experience and not afraid of him now. ##Vote: Superbia Is this a gut read or is there a specific post in Superbia's filter that jumped out at you? | ||
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On February 15 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Half the Sky i am really puzzled about the fact we have an argument going on and instead of arguing with me you decide to comment on other ppl's posts. And this is not even the first time you have done so. I answered all your questions on all the people you asked on. You gave me four people and I gave you my reads on them. Including the extra question on Superbia. | ||
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On February 15 2015 01:56 LightningStrike wrote: He might be an angry town since he seemed angry at me and he was angry with me in the last game esp since we wanted to lynch him in Linux but nothing really stood out for him other than his anger towards. Alright, this makes sense on where you're coming from, and I can see why we're seeing different on Superbia. Townlean for now. | ||
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On February 15 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Half the Sky i am really puzzled about the fact we have an argument going on and instead of arguing with me you decide to comment on other ppl's posts. And this is not even the first time you have done so. On the other hand you are scumreading Kelsier. I gave you my reasons for townreading him based on experience. What don't you like about him? | ||
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On February 15 2015 01:46 Half the Sky wrote: I interpreted those first few posts as him trolling you, and also based on this. You appear to be taking Superbia seriously and I wasn't. | ||
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On February 15 2015 02:09 KelsierSC wrote: I don't think you should really be leaning town on me honestly, I haven't taken a particularly sharp look at any quotes I just had my early read on VA because I didn't like how he handled the RNG. Also after the carol game it was fairly clear that just randomly calling everyone town is a horrible mafia strategy so I would never do that again as either alignment. Either way I don't like your town read of me at all at this point. Also my post on VA wasn't inaccurate. I also considered your reads on me in the Void game as well. You pushed the crap out of me based on your quotes. So what you did here struck me similar to that game as well. Point is, that was my basis. | ||
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On February 15 2015 12:26 LightningStrike wrote: She been asking a lot of dead end questions compared to her normal town game. Idk if she is trying to change her play style or what. Old news. Already responded to others on why the questions from early D1 are being asked and how I'm using them. | ||
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On February 15 2015 00:12 Half the Sky wrote: I'm back. Rasputin, in either case, I thought that was what you were supposed to do if you rolled miller. If not, then well, what's done is done, and you, Rayn, whoever else can call my play bad for all I care. The "that" being claim the miller role first thing. | ||
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I have never played with him so I am disregarding meta. On February 15 2015 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk. doesn't make it any better considering the fact LS is town. How does he know for a "fact that LS is town"? If he's town, he wouldn't know this for a fact. Next quote: Possible buddying of Palmar? I don't understand as a veteran why he cannot figure out some of these players (other veterans) himself. I have heard in QTs he's a good player (correct me if I'm wrong on this) Now I know BH has been around, I don't know who he means by Robert, and it would appear prplhz has also been around TL a bit. It seems like it could be a way to use an incorrect Palmar read for a potential mafia agenda. On February 14 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like what i basically want to do Palmar, is to figure out blazinghand, robert, and wirh your help prplhz. If we can fiure out those players alignments on D1 the game becomes really OP for the town. I also read further on the post that Rasputin mentioned on the flip-flop. I don't understand why he'd ask Palmar for help on reading someone and then through a single post, he not only is confident enough to agree with someone he previously might have needed help reading but then retracts someone he was willing to work with. Additionally I got a very bad vibe from this as well: On February 15 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Half the Sky i am really puzzled about the fact we have an argument going on and instead of arguing with me you decide to comment on other ppl's posts. And this is not even the first time you have done so. Like he's trying to push me when I'd already answered his questions. Looking at the timestamps there were 12 minutes in between I answered his last question and when he said that, so it's not like he missed my questions. It seems like he's trying to reach to call me scum based on this. | ||
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On February 14 2015 15:25 Breshke wrote: There could be I just think it would be ballsy for a mafia to claim miller this early because if like 2+ other millers out that sticks you in the limelight because it isnt really standard. | ||
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On February 15 2015 07:08 Fecalfeast wrote: HtS has trouble reading BH's post where he explicitly admits to forging the read on VA from nothing. Continues to do so for next couple pages. Not sure this is mafia but to keep saying "I re-read twice and BH's filter twice" and not see what everyone else sees is a little strange. Maybe coming from a different viewpoint it really is confusing... On February 15 2015 07:08 Fecalfeast wrote: from my reading I have these reads rayn - scumlean palmar - scumlean LS- town HtS - scum puppydog- townlean/null superbia - scumlean If I missed any quotes let me know I'm pretty tilted about losing my last post FF, since you're in thread, do answer this: So you're not sure I'm mafia, but then your conclusion indicates you think I am. That really makes no sense. Not sure if you're sheeping others' reads on me but since that's the only thing you cite, that's quite a jump based on what you had said. Care to elaborate? | ||
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On February 15 2015 13:56 rsoultin wrote: Also don't see the initial townread in Rayn's filter to somehow justify his calling LS town so definitively when he's responding about Robik. From what I recall from digging his filter, he quoted LS on BH/Palmar IIRC and said "townie pass" but the former statement was still too definitive in my eyes. | ||
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I am hesitant to lynch him for that reason, even policy based on what I know of his play. That said: On February 15 2015 11:12 Town Puppy wrote: And I keep commenting on BH's RNG lynch because I don't have a good reason yet to think anything of Vayne. I haven't seen anything to make me think he's town or mafia. There's a pretty real chance that Vayne gets lynched today, so I have to decide for myself if I'm okay with this happening or not. In absence of Vayne being clearly town, figuring out a bunch of townies that aren't Vayne makes me feel better about him getting lynched, because for every person who steps up and shows themselves to be town, that's one more incremental step toward Vayne being mafia by POE. I think you are in a position to at least give some meta-read of him. You were in NYE party mafia with me, I realise you were mafia in that game, but you should have some comparison between VA's play that game and what he's doing now. | ||
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On February 15 2015 14:13 Town Puppy wrote: No, it's not the premise. It's one premise of three (the other two being his pretty sketchy read on Vayne and his relative absence / lack of involvement in the discussion relative to previous games I've seen him play as town). I need to look more fully into your case, but off the cuff, I am inclined to take his inactivity in of itself as NAI. He announced his engagement to his GF of 4 years in the Void game, so I'm willing to bet that V-Day took a huge chunk of his time away from playing. | ||
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On February 15 2015 14:16 Fecalfeast wrote: I'll start by saying that I really did lose that post once so there may have been another quote in there. That said, yes it was mostly sheeping on top of my curious findings in your filter on top of the miller claim which I did not mention Figures I'd missed this when he posted it. I don't like FF's response to me at all. If he was sheeping someone, he should have specified whom he was sheeping. There were at least two different players scumreading me at different points in the game, and if he felt strongly about me as a scumread (from his list I would appear his strongest scumread), I wasn't seeing any indication of him pushing me, which I see as a scumlike behaviour. Never mind not explaining the jump in reasoning despite saying he found "curious" things in my filter. It doesn't sound committal enough to justify me being his top scumread. | ||
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I'm definitely willing to lynch Rayn at this point, possibly FF depending on his response to my latest post. I'm not particularly impressed with BH right now suggesting to stick to his RNG method. I can understand if he was using PoE in conjunction or some other reason to scumread VA, but you have at least a few people townreading VA, and unless I missed it, BH hasn't given any reads until just recently (Palmar and implying on Rayn), which also bugs me, I mean if he were that married to his RNG vote, he could have gotten reads off people sheeping or not sheeping his vote. I mean he really hasn't tried to do anything with it and now I think we're I think less than 12h from lynch. | ||
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On February 16 2015 03:14 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah let's see if you're singing that tune when VA flips scum. Look, objectively speakign the arguments for it now is as good as they ever were. Do you see a better wagon out there? No? yeah, I thought so. BH, that's the same thing you've said before. You don't seem to be observing how this game is changing. If I had to vote this very instant, I'd vote Rayn. | ||
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On February 16 2015 03:17 Blazinghand wrote: You don't like his response to the Palmar case, right? Ok, but are you really more than 30% sure he's scum? Town doesn't lynch scum d1 30% of the time, and I'm offering a 30% scumlynch. I think the Rayn case sounds nice in your head but if you thought about it for a whiel you'd realize, yeah, sometimes cases like that happen on townies. only RNg is pure BH, I was scumreading Rayn before Palmar posted his case, but Palmar's case makes it more likely. I understand why you are arguing in favour of RNG, but do you have anything on top of this? Do you have a substantial (non-RNG) reason to be reading VA scum. What if your RNG vote had landed on a player that everyone was later scumreading for reasons unrelated to RNG? This is what I don't understand. 30% scumlynch also means that there's still a 70% chance we still lynch town. I am not seeing a way for you to narrow the pool to further increase those odds. | ||
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On February 16 2015 03:40 Blazinghand wrote: The fact of the matter is that VA has literally posted nothing of value this entire game. What kind of case would I wrote on the dude? I tried to fabricate some kind of fake case but the dude literally isn't posting. He's probably like scum or something and doesn't want to bother fighting an RNG lynch (the normal scum response) [...] Read Vayne's filter, and read Rayn's filter. Which of these two has a chance of being maybe helpful? I think we both know that vayne is the better lynch here. Get those Palmar stars out of your eyes and see the truth. VA needs to die. RNG has decreed it. So has it been rolled, so let be done. I see what you're getting at here, but what are your thoughts on the meta read on him? Both of you are relative vets, somewhere along the way you had have to have come across playing him. D1, he's pretty useless in general. I pushed him for the exact same reasons in NYE, got him lynched, he flipped town. He was also pretty useless in Void until I flipped scum D2. Only when something happens, it appears he'll do something as town. I mean if you want to policy lynch him, that's fine. But this goes back to my point that you aren't going further than RNG here. | ||
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On February 16 2015 03:58 Blazinghand wrote: I disagree with the meta read because it disagrees with my conclusion And again, you are telling me jack all about VA besides RNG or even why the meta is wrong. I'm going to add BH to my lovely list of lynchables. | ||
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On February 16 2015 04:05 Blazinghand wrote: So, just to be clear, nobody here actually thinks Vayne is useful. All you think is that he has a meta of not playing during D1 so he should be allowed to live. Well, there's no argument I can make against that. Follow the RNG for glory, or be left behind in the darkness. Just saw this. Where are your reads on others? Or if you live to D2 and beyond are you going to keep RNGing people? Step it up Blazinghand. Now. ##unvote ##vote Blazinghand | ||
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On February 16 2015 04:10 Blazinghand wrote: Ok don't lynch me, I'm the jailkeeper You're claiming 10h before EoD with the wagons still forming? I'd think you'd know better... | ||
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I have no idea why Ritoky is scumreading me. I discussed BH's lack of contribution and got on with BH for several posts discussing his RNG and potential non-RNG reasons for scumreading VA before voting him. And then when he claimed, I had a problem with BH's claim that far from the deadline, when he could alternatively read the thread or discuss alternate targets. Context please. Not surprised Eden CCed. Which makes the matter very trivial - if BH IS the real JK, we lynch Eden or should we have a vig, he gets shot tonight. Trivial, folks. I can't see why scum would make themselves an auto-lynch by claiming as Eden did. | ||
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On February 16 2015 22:04 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and KSC the time I had played with Robik when he got mad was when he was town so it just meta read on that part. Also rolf at lian being a Miller I guess is it possible to have multiple Millers? Catching up, though I'm going to be stuck in meetings at work mostly all day. Skimming through, looks like I'm going to be also doing some filter diving as well given how EoD went. LS apparently in this game there is, like I said before 17-person games could def have more, 13 prob only just one. Of course now that Lian's flipped now I know there's definitely two. | ||
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On February 17 2015 05:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: he wasn't around...... Ugh that could be possible too....It really did bug me as to the timing of BH's claim, and I was much more likely to believe Eden's over BH's. BH keeps saying he claims fairly early but he could do that as scum too. | ||
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Looked at VA's last filter - last two posts on BH/mod issues. Not sure if he's still OMGUS-ing BH, but if he doesn't believe anything was mod confirmed, I'm surprised he didn't have any input on Superbia's researching that possibility or even had any input on balance. We've had a flip but he isn't trying to determine anything from it yet... There's ritoky still maintaining I was voting BH for no reason when I first voted him, so that remains problematic. Into the scum pile he goes. | ||
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On February 17 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote: Also I think ritoky is town this game since he not fighting anyone at all like he did in his two games when I saw him play as Mafia. You're saying he's more passive as town than scum? He's talking a lot about his scumreads, but I don't know if he's not engaging his scumreads because he's unable to. Last I recall his four scumreads were Lian, Breshke, myself and Rayn and none of us are in the US. | ||
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LS, if you have any thoughts on my reads since you were in both those games, just shout. In SMIV, he was pretty active and changed his votes a few times over the day. Also a bit more verbose than he is in this game or in NYE. In NYE, he had 1-2 scum reads very close to EoD, but didn't have any strong ones through most of the day from what I could tell. Here I am seeing some parallels to NYE, much of the same stuff with his reads. So he is likely scum. I don't see the same types of (bold/confrontational) reads I saw in SMIV. So scum on him. | ||
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On February 17 2015 06:17 ritoky wrote: you spent your entirety of your early posts that were meaningful/I can remember being all about that rayn mafia lyfe, then voted on him, then almost on a dime went onto BH for what I felt was a weak reason. made me think you lacked conviction in your rayn read that you had built. makes you suspect, makes you feel like you were looking for an excuse to unvote rayn. You can have conviction on multiple reads, surprised you didn't see or consider the things I said after I voted BH. The fact I didn't move my vote from BH prior to going to bed (after the cc, but before the whole dual-JK issue came up) should probably tell you something, and that something shouldn't be a scumlike behaviour. | ||
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On February 17 2015 06:34 LightningStrike wrote: Funny you mention that NYE because he was sheeping a ton in that game. He might be null for now but if there is a SK in this game he could be it idk what else to expect but also check Metal Mini and Student V to compared another Mafia Game and another Town game. Student V he was town....was he town or scum in Metal? I can't remember. | ||
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As it stands my scum reads are: Rayn, FF, Ritoky, Breshke | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:51 rsoultin wrote: Does anyone have a good read on slam? I correctly townread him the last couple games I was playing with him, but I'm having trouble this time. I've never played a game with him when he's scum. From what Koshi said in an obs QT, he knows how to survive but he won't particularly drive the mafia agenda. | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:55 LightningStrike wrote: Bullshit you did in Student IV I happened play with him when he was Mafia twice (Student IV and Slytherin) Bah, I forgot that but that was because he replaced out N1. He didn't do jack all and was replaced by Hopeless. | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:57 Town Puppy wrote: mafia is everybody i forgot about the 1st time lynch out of prplhz, breshke, vayne, breshke, fecalfeast Did you mean to have someone in there other than Breshke twice? | ||
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On February 17 2015 09:51 rsoultin wrote: Does anyone have a good read on slam? I correctly townread him the last couple games I was playing with him, but I'm having trouble this time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Koshi&view=all On January 21 2015 07:46 Koshi wrote: 1) You are making yourself readable. 2) You trow around your opinion even if it isn't fully formed yet. 3) You actually care that I voted you and trow pressure on me for it. This makes you dangerous. Because I don't see overflowing townieness in your filter. Just a "I will probably not lynch this guy" level of usefulness. Which is odd coming from the Chupazi. On January 21 2015 19:17 Koshi wrote: hot and bothered. I say these things to catch some attention. "I don't see anything scummy" is a good defense of somebody with a 6-7 page filter after 24 hours. But 3? And is he bleeding town? I don't see it. Let's not let the Chupazi do w.e he pleases. Because he is afraid to die this game. And when the Chupazi is afraid to die, he is scum. At least. That's how it used to be. Chupazi reading goes like this: 1) Does he makes himself readable. If No, ignore the Chupazi. If yes, go to step 2. 2) Does his filter make him confirmed town because it is filled with happy eagerness. If yes, ignore the Chupazi. If No, go to step 3. 3) Does the Chupazi want to die when pressured to advance town forward. If yes, ignore the Chupazi. If No, FUCKING CONSIDER THE CHUPAZI TO BE SCUM. So I consider the Chupazi to be scum. The Chupazi got thread sentiment going in his favor. It's odd. But maybe he is town. Who knows. Just don't tell me he can't be lynched D1 because you are wrong. Rasputin, looked like Koshi was going for a tone read/level of discomfort here. That could be a way of doing it, but clearly he was wrong in Void. | ||
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On February 17 2015 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote: i still think BH is mafia, not buying the 2 JKs On February 17 2015 04:17 VayneAuthority wrote: i see no reason to think that anything was mod confirmed | ||
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On February 17 2015 10:02 KelsierSC wrote: Koshi was wrong? I wont hear of it, burn the heretic Heretic, as in Koshi or Slam? | ||
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On February 17 2015 10:07 Town Puppy wrote: no breshke is in there twice So I take it then he's in the "lynch it with fire" category for you? (As I said before, he's also in my lynchables list as well.) | ||
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On February 16 2015 05:03 prplhz wrote: I don't even know what this means. ##Vote Breshke I can get with this. Reading his filter I don't think anything points at him being town or mafia. I didn't even remember he was in this game. Text book under the radar guy. This is a lot better than raynpelikoneet and VayneAuthority and what else is going around. I'm even willing to let KelsierSC go for now because he's actually around doing stuff. I looked closer at that exchange and I'm starting to think the bolded sentence is an indicator of him trying to figure out what is going to stick. Which to me is a scum behaviour. Scumpile. | ||
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On February 17 2015 10:13 rsoultin wrote: So, HtS...not to beat a dead horse, but you were saying you were scumreading BH before all the JK stuff at EoD. Was that still just for the fact that his VA scumread was obviously fabricated, or was there anything else? I generally have the expectation that someone with his experience level (especially) should be able to either give reads on other people or at least come up with some sort of other method in conjunction (like PoE) to further support why his RNG read was good if he was that serious about it. I made the point that when he kept offering a "30% scumlynch" I said that there was a 70% chance it was wrong. And he failed to do that. Finally when he claimed I didn't believe his claim largely because of the timing. As a veteran I expected better from him. He didn't sound believable at that time. | ||
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On February 17 2015 10:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: well he didn't want ot vote for two townies so... I'm not reading you as town. | ||
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On February 17 2015 14:12 LightningStrike wrote: Okay my last post before going to bed: The SK prob was scum reading KSC and thought he was Mafia so he killed him hoping to kill Mafia but instead KSC was town. Going to bed for reals now. WIFOM. Most people here are lumping the SK and scum together in one batch. What you said is possible, but unlikely as there are way more town than scum. Under the assumption that scum took out Eden, my theory FWIW, BH said before that SK is anti-swing, and Kelsier was a mislynch opportunity for scum, given he was being scumread. He kills a townie AND hurts scum at the same time by cutting short an ML candidate. Kelsier could also have been targetted because he was on the right track as well. Some of his reads were matching my own, on the ones that weren't, could potentially be worth further investigation. Any of the above are possible plus other things I might not have considered. | ||
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On February 17 2015 23:25 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote: blazinghand Are you still scum reading him on (mostly) meta? Nothing he's said has changed your mind? | ||
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On February 18 2015 00:25 Palmar wrote: I really don't like this LS stuff. He is being exactly like he always is. I really liked rsoultin's top town reads. Tbh this is the list of people we lynch into: raynpelikoneet Half the Sky ritoky VayneAuthority Alakaslam prplhz Damdred Fecalfeast there's at least 3 mafia in this list. I just need to narrow it down a bit further. This makes me feel a little better: Rayn, Ritoky, Breshke (now Damdred) and FF are scumlisted for me - leaning scum on PRP as well after examining KSC's case and his filter, if I'm wrong on any of them it's probably Breshke. Just about done with the FF case... | ||
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I know I didn't label part 1, but Part 1 stems from the manner in which FF illogically jumped on his conclusion to scumread me (page 4 of FF filter, page 42 of thread) I later called him out on page 48 of thread for not naming who he was sheeping when he admitted he was sheeping someone's read on me. Multiple people were scumreading me at that time (quote from above is hidden below). On February 16 2015 02:54 Half the Sky wrote: Figures I'd missed this when he posted it. I don't like FF's response to me at all. If he was sheeping someone, he should have specified whom he was sheeping. There were at least two different players scumreading me at different points in the game, and if he felt strongly about me as a scumread (from his list I would appear his strongest scumread), I wasn't seeing any indication of him pushing me, which I see as a scumlike behaviour. Never mind not explaining the jump in reasoning despite saying he found "curious" things in my filter. It doesn't sound committal enough to justify me being his top scumread. Now Fecalfeast has additional problem, and that is the way he looks at my reads on Rayn. I made my original post on Rayn on page 41 (5th post down). This was Fecalfeast's intial reaction (page 3 of his filter, page 41 of thread). On February 15 2015 13:43 Fecalfeast wrote: So you did. I like your rayn post, see also that he spent almost an entire page (game page not filter page) getting upset over the semantics of rsoultin's post that made fun of BH's RNG Now fast forward to last night when Fecalfeast looks at my read on Rayn. From page 7 of his filter (page 105 of the thread). On February 17 2015 17:16 Fecalfeast wrote: Is this all HTS says about rayn being scum or am I blind? NOTE THAT THIS IS THE EXACT SAME QUOTE FROM PAGE 41. Then immediately in response to Ritoky he says that my post - THE SAME POST FROM PAGE 41 THAT HE LIKED and THE SAME THING HE QUOTES IN PAGE 105 - is now repetitive and boring. On February 17 2015 17:18 Fecalfeast wrote: I would fucking love to be SK one game but no, I am just bad town. Give me some help on HtS, do any of her reads seem to be based on good foundations or what? Like that rayn post is repetitive and boring So which is it, Fecalfeast? You liked that post when I first made it on page 41 and now you think it's repetitive and boring on page 105. This coupled with the way his reads jumped on me, not naming a sheep target when I asked him for how he jumped to his conclusion on me, shows that he's finding absolutely rubbish reasons to scumread me and this latest inconsistency shows how badly he's overreaching. When you combine this with overall the rest of his play: - cited lack of motivation somewhere in his filter - the discomfort that he showed at the very beginning of the game (and confirmed town Lian, myself and someone else went after him for it) - and NOW going after LightningStrike (and I know FF has played with LS at least a few times now to know his style) who he should know is often misread for scum Fecalfeast is MOST CERTAINLY SCUM... LYNCH HIM WITH FIRE PLEASE. ##vote Fecalfeast | ||
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On February 18 2015 00:33 Palmar wrote: Why do YOU think ritoky is mafia? answer quick please. Posted my case on FF, sorry. Ritoky is scum largely because he's pushing me for BS reasons. I know you think I'm easy to read, but I also know when I'm not having one of my better games as town largely because I'm having trouble understanding things in the game. This happened to me in Carol. Ritoky was scum and is trying to pick me off as a (perceived) easy lynch the same way he did in Carol when I was having trouble early on in the game trying to get my reads together (and this was also before I purposely played more scummy in that game). Also not really contributing much in this game especially as of late, and scum activity in general tends to fall off over time in a game. | ||
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I don't know what else to tell you other than I saw Blazinghand at the time as not credible. If you don't buy my ignorance/lack of understanding fine, but you should also know this is not the first time I've struggled with elements in the game. Mechanics I've had issues with twice now (Newbie LX, Carol) for example. | ||
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On February 18 2015 00:57 rsoultin wrote: I read your FF case...so basically it centers around his opinion on your case changing from one day to the next and his read on LS, right? That and his jumps in logic on me. Here's the thing. I don't mind people scumreading me, but I can tell when they have valid reasons versus BS reasons. You aren't understanding my play, but I also realise why you are scumreading me, plus I am also aware your reads on me in past games have not been very accurate anyways, so I'm not particularly surprised at how you are reading me. Carol also taught me how scum tends to prey on easy mislynches and I'm seeing quite a bit of that from Rayn, Ritoky (who also isolated the BH quotes when he made his first argument against me) and FF this game. You on the other hand are demonstrating some logical thought although you are wrong. | ||
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On February 18 2015 01:02 rsoultin wrote: Oh, lol, the one where LS said Robik is town because he's angry? Something like that. I will admit I've not dug it up again. | ||
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Also Palmar since you previously asked me about Ritoky, I wanted to add that I also engaged Ritoky on his read on me. I had forgotten to tell you this but I felt Ritoky took my reads on BH out of context. I'll quote the relevant things from our conversation (page 6 of my filter, page 89 of thread). My initial reaction to his scumread: On February 16 2015 08:58 Half the Sky wrote: I have no idea why Ritoky is scumreading me. I discussed BH's lack of contribution and got on with BH for several posts discussing his RNG and potential non-RNG reasons for scumreading VA before voting him. And then when he claimed, I had a problem with BH's claim that far from the deadline, when he could alternatively read the thread or discuss alternate targets. Context please. I asked him on page 89 why he disputed my reason for voting BH: On February 17 2015 06:14 Half the Sky wrote: Since you're here Ritoky, why were you saying I was voting BH for no reason when I'd a) already discussed my issues with him in one post and b) engaged him prior to voting him? You basically isolated that one post taking it out of context from the rest of my discussion. I voted Rayn, but after pushing BH I switched. He responded that I lacked conviction, etc, etc. (see indexed quote) but I further disputed his reasoning and added that he did not even consider what I did AFTER I voted BH. On February 17 2015 06:36 Half the Sky wrote: You can have conviction on multiple reads, surprised you didn't see or consider the things I said after I voted BH. The fact I didn't move my vote from BH prior to going to bed (after the cc, but before the whole dual-JK issue came up) should probably tell you something, and that something shouldn't be a scumlike behaviour. ...which further supports him taking my actions out of context AND trying to push me for a BS reason (saying my reasoning for voting him was weak). | ||
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On February 18 2015 01:24 Palmar wrote: That's not the point slam. The point is he read the same thing and came to two different conclusions, which I can only assume are based on the current vibe in the thread at that very moment. 100%. Slam, his second conclusion was in answer to what Ritoky asked of him. Ritoky was (and still is) scumreading me. His first was a general reaction to my initial post, and Rasputin IIRC also liked it as well. | ||
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On February 18 2015 01:32 LightningStrike wrote: rsoultin sheep HTS's case on FF my lady! I know she said she was filter diving him last she posted, but she's also at work...6h behind me puts her at 10:30am, so she might not be back for awhile. | ||
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On February 18 2015 01:44 rsoultin wrote: Also, the change in reactions to your case, HtS, is a good point lol. Just wish all your cases didn't center around people scumreading you xP Fair play Rasputin, I realise why it looks like it's OMGUS but like I said there's a reason I took fault with those three and not with you <3 It's not that they are scumreading me, it's why they are doing so. In fact, if you remember how LS called me out as scum in Newbie LX, just that he didn't communicate it clearly or elaborate on me before he was mislynched. It's the same story here. And just as you were about to look into me, we took you out. | ||
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On February 18 2015 01:59 Blazinghand wrote: Oh there's a wagon on FF. Can someone point me at the case, I haven't been paying attention I'm in the office for another 30 BH, if you have any questions. Then I go afk for marathon training/dinner/etc for about 2 hours after that. | ||
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I see Fecalfeast is trying hard to not be tonight's lynch. Guess what? I have even more evidence that he is scum. He wants to push LS now? Part 3 anyone? Can we get an order of baby seals on the side there Fecalfeast? The Case Against Fecalfeast, Part 3 Glanced again at his filter. Earlier D1, he townread LightningStrike. On February 15 2015 07:08 Fecalfeast wrote: from my reading I have these reads rayn - scumlean palmar - scumlean LS- town HtS - scum puppydog- townlean/null superbia - scumlean If I missed any quotes let me know I'm pretty tilted about losing my last post AGAIN HE STARTS WITH A TOWNREAD ON LIGHTNING STRIKE. On February 16 2015 13:45 Fecalfeast wrote: which is weird because earlier he asked about eden. maybe I'm misinterpreting this but I usually like to ask people about people I'm scumleaning or undecided on. Why would he side with his undecided/unsure read when he already called BH town? Also the above is problematic. He makes no conclusion from this post, also he doesn't take into account why LS changed his read. THERE WAS NEW EVIDENCE and that was the counterclaim. AND HE SAID HE BELIEVED THE COUNTERCLAIM. LS almost ALWAYS explains his reasoning for a change in vote. On February 17 2015 04:37 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not caught up (pg 82) but I have made a post almost exactly like this one already. To me this appears he's trying to take advantage of a townie's inaccurate read on LS to get him out. Again, this maintains the point that he's catering to thread sentiment. There is ONE MASSIVE DIFFERENCE between the way Kelsier is going about it and the way FF is going about: The former, a confirmed town is actually interrogating and doing the work prior, and the latter is making posts and drawing it out of context. Plenty of holes in his case against LS. Which goes back to my anti-easy lynch argument. First point on LS's vote against Superbia. How in the bloody hell do you say that read is forced?!?!?!? On February 17 2015 17:03 Fecalfeast wrote: This is a really dumb case and I'm not sure I've seen LS actually vote that early ina day before based on just an opening post. Almost looks forced. YOU KNOW HE USES META IN NEARLY EVERY ARGUMENT HE MAKES AGAINST PEOPLE. GOOD LORD. That was a key point I made against you in my case, and this only reinforces that. Next 2 points on townreads AGAIN are ALL BASED ON META. YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS. And your last point on LightningStrike's reaction to JKs is TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. On February 17 2015 17:03 Fecalfeast wrote: This reaction looks genuine almost. As in, LS knows alaka isn't mafia and when he claims his first reaction instead of "LOL you are mafia" is "WTF 3 JKs??" as if he was upset about the balance. I scumread ANYONE who takes ANYBODY out of context. How did you know he was upset? I see nowhere in your filter for what I can find that you've asked him or confirmed with him or tried to trap him if this was a genuine scumread. Finally Superbia challenges you on meta reading him. On February 18 2015 06:06 Fecalfeast wrote: I dislike meta reads sorry. Unless he has some obvious tell then I'd rather you just pointed it out to me THIS IS A COP OUT. Conclusion/TLDR Version 1 You came with a scumread on him out of seemingly nowhere 2 The points against him disregard his normal scumhunting methods. You have 6-7 votes against you and you won't even look at disputing meta reads, which is the biggest point of contention on you. 3 Unlike Kelsier, you aren't pushing/interrogating him to find the information needed from the points you do conclude. 4 You are taking his posts out of context. 5 You're looking for the easy way out here, an easy mislynch as others are scumreading him out of ignorance of his normal play. Rasputin already distinguished between those that played with him and those that did not. LYNCH FECALFEAST WITH FIRE TONIGHT And Fecalfeast, I don't have a problem with you scumreading me. RTFT. I told Rasputin what I'll tell you - I have no problem THAT people are scumreading me. I focus on the WHY, end of. I've put in MORE than the amount of necessary work to bury you. You want to accuse me of OMGUS? Now you can't. Because my points are also against you scumreading LS. So it's absolute rubbish you think I'm going for the easy mislynch. You aren't even defending yourself against my case FFS. | ||
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I also shouldn't be playing this game on a fucking tablet. Hang on. | ||
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On February 18 2015 06:40 Fecalfeast wrote: 1. read my filter I made multiple posts about LS 2. Meta can be faked. 3. Been asleep and now there's a wagon on me, priorities. 4. MY bad. 5. So my 'easy way out' is to scumread someone who most people are townreading? ok I'm going to flip town, sorry to disappoint you HtS you made such a nice case. 1 Done at least 3x now. I am disputing the approach you have taken in those posts NOT THE FACT YOU MADE THEM. Context please. 2 And you aren't determining for yourself IF THAT META IS FAKED. 3 LOL? The events I have described are happening either WHILST you were in thread or when you were awake. 4 You've done enough of it (frequency) that I can conclude you are misleading in your evaluation of LS. 5 Those that know him are mostly townreading, those that don't, don't appear to be or aren't focusing on him. You're not town by a country mile. | ||
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1 I'm not scum, so posting PMs with the scum QT isn't going to happen and I'm not going to get myself modkilled. 2 Even if somehow by the infintessimally small chance you are town, you are sure as hell not the towniest town that ever towned. | ||
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I'm off to bed, it's already 11pm. And I need to sleep. Good night everyone. | ||
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NYE: Didn't do jack all D1. I pushed his lynch (I was VT) and he was lynched D1, and he flipped VT. Void: Didn't do jack all D1. I did NOT scumlist him based on meta. I was scum in Void, and he only sheeped someone else to getting me lynched D2. Other than that did jack all D2. Only after I got lynched, he did work starting N2 by reading my filter, etc. VA was mason in that game. | ||
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Also Rasputin, I conceded that LS was town way earlier than you are stating in your post. That was pretty darn early in the day I questioned LS on the Robik read, and LS maintains he's had the adequate exposure to FF though it might help if you LS, could give a specific rundown of the games. I know one of them was Carol which was a clusterfuck for all of us going into our first large normal and evaluating gameplay, but highlighting the mini normals should help. Still that wasn't even my biggest issue with him. | ||
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On February 18 2015 23:04 rsoultin wrote: That may be true. Meh. So you don't think he's town; you just know he can't be read until there's a mafia flip? Do you mind actually naming a game he's been in that demonstrates this? Otherwise it's going to have to wait until I get home from work, cause I don't have the time to dig it up right now. I just named one Rasputin - Void. He did jack all until I flipped D2. | ||
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On February 18 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote: Is your biggest issue still that he had a different opinion on your case? Cause I thought his explanation for that was fine. I get different opinions on things when I reread all the time lol One of the two quotes you took I had the complete opposite opinion on when he was evaluating LS. LS stated a reason for his change in vote to BH and that was the counterclaim, which FF tried to scumread him for having a sudden change of opinion even though that opinion was substantiated by what I think is a critical event - a counterclaim. Also consider that LS (as I recall) commented on how long in advance of EoD BH claimed. Neither of us know BH's meta, so that comment is completely justified on his end to come to that conclusion for the voteswitch. I could highlight FF's thoughts on LS as a shit read if that quote was taken by itself but he had compiled multiple ideas/quotes on LS, so it obviously wasn't isolated. | ||
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On February 18 2015 23:07 Damdred wrote: I just keep passing out at night. HTS idk if what you say is true he still did jack all in void after your flip to. Then again, Void was a game where a lot of people just AFKed after my lynch in general. Could have been an outlier. I'm going to take a look at 1-2 VA scum games and see if I can ferret out any key differences. Hold on... | ||
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You only shoot once (scum vigi) Guilty Mini (scum vanilla) If anyone knows of anything more recent than that, please post a link, or comment if you played in either of these two games. YOSO looks to be an April game, Guilty was in August. Cheers. | ||
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YOSO is a Ver game, which he's expressed preference for as it's a super low post count game. So I could see him post insane (in comparison) as either alignment. Key differences I'm seeing there is he's actually quoting people in making arguments and arguing why certain people are better lynches than others, just more substantial arguments in general than I'm used to seeing him do. Then he complains when he's putting in too much work. Moved on to Guilty to remove that pro-Ver bias - might have to go to SMB mini and check that out too, but in guilty he's posting way more and his "reads" look again, more substantiated, posting style is different. Tried to do a day-by-day meta read, since most people defending him are based off a D1 jack all meta. On August 25 2014 09:39 Hapahauli wrote: As for Vayne, I've posted stuff on him before. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=70#1397 Him representing himself as "helpful" early on, generally looking like he's trying hard, then leaving his vote on Damdred is pretty bad. On August 25 2014 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote: VA So again, the heuristic for the most part goes, Lazy useless VA = town, tryhard VA = scum. He has muddled with this a little in a few later games but the most part I'm able to catch him out when it's needed. This time his town play seems to fit but I think as someone else may (or may not have?) pointed out, it looks as though he is actively and very obviously trying to muddle with his meta this time around by talking about himself and his activity: That might be the key constrast here to read VA as town D1 which I did. For D2, most so far, he's done jack all. I guess the question now is whether people here think he's muddling his meta or if there's a possibility he does jack all as scum. | ||
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On February 18 2015 23:23 prplhz wrote: does anyone see anything indicating that rayn isn't scum? I already made one post way back why he is scum, and how he's overreaching, but someone also needs to comment from a meta standpoint on activity. For a veteran whose play I understand is highly praised as either alignment his reads are pretty shallow and Ras has already caught him once out for half-reading. In contrast, Palmar might also be sporadic but the reads and logic are clear. Slam made an argument earlier that Rayn is more readable than he presently is, so that gives me even more confidence that Rayn is scum. Prphlz, what do you think on Rayn trying to get you lynched for the reasons he stated? This is another indicator that he could be going for an easy lynch. | ||
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On February 18 2015 16:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote: prplhz I am going vote for purplehaze because he hasn't have done anything to even try to solve this game. He is just calling me and Palmar useless (like are we the only two people in this game?). But then his decision is i am mafia (which is wrong). On February 18 2015 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Meh... we should lynch prplhz as noone wants to kill hts anyways. That one is on you guys this game because she is mafia. Pretty shallow reads for someone of his calibre. Massive red flag folks. | ||
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He's calling FF town and his town reads (e.g. VA) are also "easy" reads. So those are more red flags. I'll read Slytherin especially as the time constraint issue is parallel to this one. | ||
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On February 18 2015 23:51 Damdred wrote: Rayn isn't pushing any reads, his scum reads are haphazard at best with no real follow up. His town reads are super easy to make and seem to come from nothing at points. Insane filter in Slytherin, and even comments in Slytherin he doesn't give a fuck when he RNGs scum. Also reading through the Slytherin filter, you can tell the logic in the reads even when he's wrong on reads, the logical progression to the next person is there. Particularly when he says when he's wrong on X he will move on to sicklucker. I don't recall him having a backup scumread after me, and he just throws his vote on prplhz. No pushing me at all. Yeh, Rayn also definitely falls into the lynch with fire category. ##unvote ##vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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I played with Robik in Hammertime and he largely AFKed, geript said the key indicator with Robik as scum is that his filter is shit. What do you think of Rob's filter? | ||
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Robik was AFK but geript called him out post-game for having a short filter, and GB called him out for not having very substantial insight into his reads or something, and Robik basically took advantage of me tunnelling on GB the entire game. | ||
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On February 19 2015 05:23 IAmRobik wrote: For some reason lynching rayn, both yesterday and today, has been incredibly hard work. This kinda goes along with your next post, but i'm too lazy to quote it...his "doing jack shit" is making me think he might be town. From my experience with Rayn, he always has an agenda when he's mafia. He knows he has to push mislynches to win the game and that's what he does. He wants all the power and doesn't trust his teammates not one bit. Look at GSL and Look at Foundations, two of my first games. He is so fucking active trying to lynch people. He has shown no propensity to do that this game. I'll have to revisit the pro-am game he played with slendy though. He was pretty afk as mafia that game, so I'll have to see if he was pushing an agenda there or not.[/QUOTE] Robik, I have evidence to dispute what you have just said. In his very last game, Slytherin, as mason, he admitted he doesn't (generally) care when he's scum. On February 08 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: i haven't given any fucks past games bcz i have rolled mafia for like a half year straight. in the past, yes, i have. On February 08 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i was and i din't give any fucks about that game. On February 08 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I haven't played in like almost a year, but you were town leader in witchcraft 2... that was prolly the last scum game i actually played decent mafia. except for the one game i got modkilled in where i tried.[/QUOTE] Which trues up with how he's playing this game. Palmar's assessment and pushing his lynch is for the right reasons IMO. | ||
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On February 19 2015 05:23 IAmRobik wrote: For some reason lynching rayn, both yesterday and today, has been incredibly hard work. This kinda goes along with your next post, but i'm too lazy to quote it...his "doing jack shit" is making me think he might be town. From my experience with Rayn, he always has an agenda when he's mafia. He knows he has to push mislynches to win the game and that's what he does. He wants all the power and doesn't trust his teammates not one bit. Look at GSL and Look at Foundations, two of my first games. He is so fucking active trying to lynch people. He has shown no propensity to do that this game. I'll have to revisit the pro-am game he played with slendy though. He was pretty afk as mafia that game, so I'll have to see if he was pushing an agenda there or not.[/QUOTE] Robik, I have evidence to dispute what you have just said. In his very last game, Slytherin, as mason, he admitted he doesn't (generally) care when he's scum. On February 08 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: i haven't given any fucks past games bcz i have rolled mafia for like a half year straight. in the past, yes, i have. On February 08 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i was and i din't give any fucks about that game. On February 08 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: that was prolly the last scum game i actually played decent mafia. except for the one game i got modkilled in where i tried. Which trues up with how he's playing this game. Palmar's assessment and pushing his lynch is for the right reasons IMO. | ||
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And once I've formed a read, I use meta to check not only myself but other people who are scumreading you. In fact I only checked your last game in Slytherin largely because of what Damdred said. You showed already once how you tried to misrepresent me and you just keep doing it again. Keep taking me and others out of context, you're doing a fine job of it. | ||
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On February 19 2015 05:43 Blazinghand wrote: so... fuck the Preview button, right? Honestly I need to stop playing this game on a tablet but given my daily routine I don't really have a choice. | ||
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On February 19 2015 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: like, she literally quotes VA'S TOWN PLAY CORRECTLY -- which is also 100% he is doing in this game, but hey, her meta-read on VA is that VA is mafia. Good job, good job. Here's an example where Rayn is pushing misinformation. If you go back to where I was looking/checking into VA, I was disputing the call on VA being scum using meta from the games I've played with him. To confirm what I've been feeling, I looked into games where he was scum to see how much of that gameplay measured to his current gameplay and I did a compare and contrast. On February 18 2015 23:32 Half the Sky wrote: Well in general from what I'm seeing so far: YOSO is a Ver game, which he's expressed preference for as it's a super low post count game. So I could see him post insane (in comparison) as either alignment. Key differences I'm seeing there is he's actually quoting people in making arguments and arguing why certain people are better lynches than others, just more substantial arguments in general than I'm used to seeing him do. Then he complains when he's putting in too much work. Moved on to Guilty to remove that pro-Ver bias - might have to go to SMB mini and check that out too, but in guilty he's posting way more and his "reads" look again, more substantiated, posting style is different. Tried to do a day-by-day meta read, since most people defending him are based off a D1 jack all meta. That might be the key constrast here to read VA as town D1 which I did. For D2, most so far, he's done jack all. I guess the question now is whether people here think he's muddling his meta or if there's a possibility he does jack all as scum. In a SEPARATE post I said, that at this time, I was not convinced that VA was scum. I was not buying BH's push on VA. That was my conclusion, not that VA was scum. On February 18 2015 23:40 Half the Sky wrote: At this point in time, though I have yet to go through BH's PBPA, I am not convinced VA is scum. Don't recall the substantial tryharding though I'm seeing in his scum games. It is ironic that Rayn says I'm not reading the thread when he has done selective reading on three of his scumreads, myself being one of them. This is also consistent with my using meta to check and confirm a read I had on VA as others weigh in. So my stance on Rayn remains the same. LYNCH RAYN WITH FIRE TONIGHT | ||
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On February 19 2015 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + if she is she is really bad at this game and should not call herself experienced. 1 I never called myself experienced at this game (not in the vein of Palmar/Marv/HF etc) 2 I've never called myself skilled at this game either, in fact I've said several times early D1 I had dumb moments and I do make stupid errors in this game. | ||
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On February 19 2015 06:14 IAmRobik wrote: HTS, why did you step off the gas peddle off of FF? Consolidation. If you read carefully you will see that I was the last voter off FF, and onto another scumread (Rayn) that I have been scumreading from the very beginning. He's always been in the list of lynchables for me. And like FF, I have been demonstrating points that he is scum. | ||
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On February 19 2015 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: she contradicts herself a numerous times in how she looks at the game. mainly regarding meta (on me and VA). When it fits to her, meta is scummy, when it doesn't, she "doesn't care about it" or "doesn't use it". double standards. Nope, already shot that point down. Try again. | ||
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On February 19 2015 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: just shut the fuck up please. Toys out the pram. You keep making faulty cases like that and I will keep refuting your arguments. | ||
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Ironic as I previously presented a case on him doing this and he uses the exact same material to misrepresent me as scum. I also highlighted the time elapsed between the time I answered his last question and the time he accuses me of not answering his questions. On February 19 2015 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: (3) Yeah well the bolded part is 100% true. So WHAT? Her not answering me and instead talking about something else (=seems like dodging the questions) is ME being scummy? Right. Here's my original case on Rayn. The full text is on page 41. On February 15 2015 13:36 Half the Sky wrote: Looking into some of Rayn's quotes after he questioned me on my reads, there are a few quotes of his that have me scumreading Rayn. [...] Like he's trying to push me when I'd already answered his questions. Looking at the timestamps there were 12 minutes in between I answered his last question and when he said that, so it's not like he missed my questions. It seems like he's trying to reach to call me scum based on this. My initial exchange with Rayn is on page 29-30. When Rayn asks me why I'm ignoring him I respond that I have already answered him. You can see on page 29 where I've answered all his reads. Including his 2 extra questions. On February 15 2015 02:00 Half the Sky wrote: I answered all your questions on all the people you asked on. You gave me four people and I gave you my reads on them. Including the extra question on Superbia. If you look closely at the timestamps, there are 12 minutes between the time I answer his last question and the time he calls me out. The fact he's trying to push this in his case shows he is grossly misrepresenting me in calling my scum. | ||
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On February 19 2015 06:39 IAmRobik wrote: So you're giving up on pushing FF in favor of lynching a person who more people wnt to ylnch who you haven't made a case for until people started expressing desire to lynch him. That sounds a bit opportunistic, doesn't it? Wrong. My first case post on Rayn was on page 41, D1. (Ironically it was the same post that FF commented on with two different conclusions.) I know at least 2 people who shot down the thought of lynching Rayn on D1 either because he was posting/or was a vet/or whatever. I'm also aware there are multiple scum and I've said before (to I believe Ritoky) that you can have convinction on multiple scumreads. If I'd tried to push Rayn (or in the same vein, let's say a HF or a Marv, etc) D1, it was not going to get traction for what I just stated. | ||
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On February 19 2015 06:46 Palmar wrote: If he flips mafia, this is going to be a very interesting read. Find those posts. Palmar, here's once by prplhz. I knew it! On February 16 2015 01:34 prplhz wrote: yea i'm not sure what to think about palmar. this push on rayn is, well i don't like pushes on people like rayn or palmar on d1 because if they're town they're going to get shot by mafia really soon anyway. pretty simple. also a rayn/palmar shout fest clash of egos on d1 is potentially devastating for town. i liked some of his earlier posts like the one where he points out that robik is town and then he just made this post which i think looks super townie. in any case i'm really tentative about lynching palmar or rayn on d1. i want to see what happens when rayn gets back though. semi related you're also looking townie simply because the "say something clever twice and you're scum" thing you have for me is so ridiculous. | ||
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On February 16 2015 02:42 prplhz wrote: SERIOUSLY RAYN IS REALLY GOOD AT MAFIA EITHER HE WILL FIND MAFIA OR HE WILL GET SHOT IF NEITHER HAPPENS, WE CAN CONSIDER LYNCHING HIM WE'RE NOT LYNCHING HIM JUST BECAUSE HE CHANGED HIS MIND AND IS NOW AFK WRESTLING A POLAR BEAR OR WHATEVER. this is mafia 101, you don't lynch townies with a good reputation on d1. | ||
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On February 19 2015 06:57 Palmar wrote: yes, rayn is mafia. Kill it. My vote's already on him. I'm setting my alarm for 4am our time, and helping secure this lynch. | ||
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With that I'm going to bed. Good night everyone. | ||
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On February 19 2015 07:01 Palmar wrote: I used to do that shit btw. Now there's literally no way I'm going to wake up during the night unless forced to. I blame the kids. Ahhh I see what you mean. I don't have kids, but I understand. In my case I blame marathon training, but I get my workout done in the morning here after 5am, so that's the upside of getting up early. And I can do more fun things in the evenings, huzzah! | ||
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But since there's not, is there anything anyone wants to talk about in the meantime? (Catching up.) | ||
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On February 19 2015 13:07 rsoultin wrote: If rayn flips cop and palmar is scum I should probably just resign from this game and this forum entirely, because my reads have reached an all-time low lol >< Unlikely, he claimed a red-check on Palmar and had Palmar as a maybe on his scumlist beforehand. And as I see Superbia commented, his gameplay is not remotely town let alone a blue role. Also I don't think 2x JK plus vet and cop with 2 millers is balanced. But I'll let that for BH to sort that out. | ||
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On February 19 2015 13:11 Fecalfeast wrote: well since the rain pelican is probably not a cop, why are you adding it to the balance concerns? Further justification he's likely not a cop, but it's a moot point now. | ||
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Highly doubt VA is scum at this point. If Rayn flips mafia, based on what happened last night (EU time), prplhz and Robik are almost certainly scum, but let's wait these next 20 mins...I'm that confident we have 3/4 of the scum team (and I don't think either is SK). | ||
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Went through pages 7-9 of his filter though...that's definitely a town perspective. It's looking town. | ||
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I'm just very excited to be lynching Rayn though. Dead chuffed to see him go. | ||
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On February 19 2015 13:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Good job guys you lynched someone without even a counter-wagon. That means they are always town. Good morning Rayn. I'm glad you came around to humour me for your last seven minutes in the game. | ||
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On February 19 2015 14:10 IAmRobik wrote: Hey SK, you HAVE to shoot mafia tonight or you can't win so you better Fucking reread the thread and get some good fucking scumreads So we MLed tonight.... 9 v 4/1 - we MLed 8 v 4/1 - if SK shoots town 6 v 4/1 - D3 9 v 4/1 - we MLed 8 v 4/1 - if SK shoots scum 7 v 3/1 - D3 Neither situation is great, if SK shoots the scum, we have to still lynch correctly unless I'm missing something. | ||
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On February 19 2015 14:10 LightningStrike wrote: What the hell Rayn was playing much worse than his normal town game fuck. Back to square 1 for me. Yep, all my posts on him, and multiple people were scumreading him. I don't know how a scum Palmar plays. I suspected Breshke but I admitted before that was my weakest read, maybe Damdred's slot....man I don't know. My tinfoil hat....well let's not go tinfoil hat in this situation...just fucking gah. | ||
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On February 19 2015 14:12 Blazinghand wrote: so this jsut increases my convication that we should have been lynching VA this whole time BH, I don't want to be rude, but just stop. We're in a shite situation especially if SK shoots town again. You absolutely need to start reading others. If VA actually IS scum, he's not the only one on the bloody scumteam. Please tell me you've at least tried to read others in this game independent of RNG. | ||
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On February 19 2015 14:22 IAmRobik wrote: Why is rso tin foil? Rayn was VT, he was scumreading her, also she was not as robust with the questioning like she normally is as town, although her scum game WAS much weaker than this. Thing is towards the end of her scum game she had quite a few people fooled. I honestly need to filter dive her. It's a hunch, but again, tinfoil hat. I'm just a bit paranoid right now after this ML. In general I just need to take a step back and re-evaluate. | ||
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Inconceivable. | ||
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I have no idea how he plays. | ||
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I've been very suspicious of Ritoky from the off. Prplhz, I know Kelsier and I were onto him earlier and when I asked him why it appeared the way he was throwing his votes like he wanted to see what sticked...I don't recall a very good answer. BH, without that claim, he'd be very close to the top of my scumlist. In a chat I had with him before this game, I remember asking him about his skill level, and he admitted he wasn't the best, etc, but he could hold his own, and I feel he's more capable a player than the way he's playing right now. I just don't have the balance exp atm, and glancing through some setups in the database, there has been weird shit setups before but this is also my first Sentinel game, so I don't think it's productive for me to start boarding the host WIFOM train atm. This is off the cuff - I am getting wrecked at work atm, on my phone. I'll be glancing at this thread and throwing thoughts as I remember them. The other thing I want to explore is what was the vote count when Robik had his "Raynvalation". I'm not in a position atm to page through all of D2 picking the votes, but that needs to be looked at. He could have been trying to build cred when earlier he was trying to hammer Rayn for not solving the game when Palmar, Damdred and myself were on him. | ||
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Or if he gets shot, does that KP resolve simultaneously? | ||
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Blazinghand has been very anti-town, if he's town, I don't understand even with a mod interaction why he's not having the incentive to act town. He doesn't play these games very often, but I also don't know him as a player well. You'd think he'd be somewhat motivated, no? | ||
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Palmar, what is jumping out at you re: VA despite the meta read? | ||
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Offhand, driving Rayn's lynch was Palmar, Damdred, Robik, myself at various points but I need to make sure I didn't miss anyone. | ||
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1 What makes VA more anti-town/scum than BH on behaviour alone? 2 What are the chances of VA and BH double bussing each other and the rest of us assuming it's just town on town squabbles? | ||
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On February 19 2015 23:55 Palmar wrote: BH has the modconfirm VA doesn't Also bh has like 12 pages of filter or something. VA has what... 3? I know you said you don't read filters (or didn't read robik's or whatever) Scum can adjust to spam the shit out of filter. There is disparity in quantity, but quality of both filters is shit tier. I have asked BH countless times to provide reads/insights on other people. I have since read his PBPA, the stuff he throws out IS random, so I can understand why VA would be scummy. I just cannot understand the lack of incentive from BH though if he is town and we're effectively in mylo. So the modconfirm is the only thing that makes you think BH is town. Alright. I'm going to come back to this but need to explore others first. | ||
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I'm not played with a scum Palmar before, ever. He would fall under the tinfoil hat category for me atm, but could have been in theory an active scum helping drive the Rayn lynch. What is jumping out at you? | ||
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On February 20 2015 00:32 LightningStrike wrote: Rsoultin: I know her pretty well and the last time she was Mafia she was reading very weird that entire game but this game she just been calling town and been standing her ground like she normally does <3 This scum read makes zero sense for a PoE even. Are you saying she's scum because she only has town reads? Because she's called scum at various points of the game. | ||
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Palmar (154) FF, Ritoky, VA, prplhz Rsoultin (153) prplhz, Ritoky, BH, Super 5th: Slam/HTS/Robik/Damdred VA (155) LS, Ritoky, prplhz, Breshke (until rep) Robik as SK maybe Damdred HTS (155) Ritoky, FF, Blazinghand, prphlz 5th: Robik or someone from my tinfoil category Robik (151, 153) LS, Blazinghand, Rasputin, TBD LS (155) FF, Palmar, Rasputin, Damdred 5th: Ritoky/VA/Robik/Slam/prplhz | ||
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I am tracking everyone's scumteams for a reason, so I didn't want to miswrite yours. | ||
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MYLO scumteams by player (number in parenthesis is the page number they called out that given scumteam) Palmar (154) FF, Ritoky, VA, prplhz Rsoultin (153) prplhz, Ritoky, BH, Super 5th: Slam/HTS/Robik/Damdred VA (155) LS, Ritoky, prplhz, Breshke (until rep) Robik as SK maybe Damdred HTS (155) Ritoky, FF, Blazinghand, prphlz 5th: Robik or someone from my tinfoil category Robik (151, 153) LS, Blazinghand, Rasputin, TBD LS (155) Ritoky, VA, Robik, Alakaslam, prplhz | ||
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On February 20 2015 01:20 Alakaslam wrote: I refuse t make a list post Do you have a shortlist of scum reads? Possible scumteams (preferably no unflipped association) | ||
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Please shoot into any of the following Frenchmen tonight: Ritoky, prplhz or Blazinghand. Your English Sympathiser, HTS | ||
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On February 20 2015 04:08 IAmRobik wrote: NO Also, you're not allowed to do this shit for obvious fucking reasons. Er, honest question did I just break a rule? | ||
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On February 20 2015 08:23 Blazinghand wrote: good point rayn was the paragon of reason and usefulness this game oh no wait the opposite of that I'll be blunt, you aren't categorically much better. | ||
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On February 20 2015 13:12 rsoultin wrote: Looks like probably our biggest disconnect is ritoky. He also seems to be your strongest townread. Why am I wrong on him? Good morning. And Rasputin, it's not just you. Why do you think I'm tallying people's scumteams? We're in mylo and the BS I'm seeing from some people here (notably Ritoky and Blazinghand) tonight is borderline hilarious. On February 20 2015 00:45 Half the Sky wrote: Updated MYLO scumteams by player (number in parenthesis is the page number they called out that given scumteam) Palmar (154) FF, Ritoky, VA, prplhz Rsoultin (153) prplhz, Ritoky, BH, Super 5th: Slam/HTS/Robik/Damdred VA (155) LS, Ritoky, prplhz, Breshke (until rep) Robik as SK maybe Damdred HTS (155) Ritoky, FF, Blazinghand, prphlz 5th: Robik or someone from my tinfoil category Robik (151, 153) LS, Blazinghand, Rasputin, TBD LS (155) Ritoky, VA, Robik, Alakaslam, prplhz How many people are scumreading Ritoky again? Quite a few people. There's a reason for that. | ||
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Regarding earlier reasons, I already justified my reasons for voteswitches for Ritoky. First off, he accuses me of copying his read on Fecalfeast at the beginning regarding his comfort level. Yet he never went after liancourt who did the EXACT SAME THING after I did and he flipped town. Selective reading on that end. I also argued earlier this game that Ritoky isolated a post and took it out of context when I switched voting onto Blazinghand earlier D1. On February 16 2015 08:58 Half the Sky wrote: I have no idea why Ritoky is scumreading me. I discussed BH's lack of contribution and got on with BH for several posts discussing his RNG and potential non-RNG reasons for scumreading VA before voting him. And then when he claimed, I had a problem with BH's claim that far from the deadline, when he could alternatively read the thread or discuss alternate targets. Context please. What Ritoky did in his scumread on me was isolate a SINGLE post without considering what I did before and after the post he chose to present in his case. I made my case that a JK claim 10h prior to lynch was not credible, which represents followthrough. He also makes a lot of leaps in logic, particularly with when I discussed the hypothical SK strategy, which YOU ACTUALLY QUESTIONED why Ritoky was pinging me when others made their own theories. Those are just a few examples, but his leaps in logic have been problematic all game. | ||
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On February 20 2015 13:21 Superbia wrote: In fact, HtS, who on that list-list are you scum-reading? "list-list" as in my list or Rasputin's? We have Ritoky and prplhz in common as scumreads if you mean the latter. | ||
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On February 20 2015 13:19 Superbia wrote: Like the amount of people scum reading Ritoky has nothing to do with his alignment. A lot of people were scum-reading Rayn, a lot of people were scum-reading lian. You can't use that metric as an excuse to read someone scum. My differentiation between the "lot" of people scumreading someone is not THAT they were scumreading someone but the WHY they were doing this. Who was misguided and who is misleading? That's the question I'm trying to answer with my reads. | ||
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On February 20 2015 12:56 Superbia wrote: So HtS made a case earlier on FF which she then easily abandoned to sheep a case on Rayn. I don't believe a townie would put so much time/energy into a case on someone just to easily abandon it like she did. But on the other hand she has put a lot of time into the game. Mafia pile bc yolo. Also Robik questioned me on the same thing, and I'll tell you the same thing I told him. Read page 41 and read my exchange with Rayn from pages 29-30. You will see why I am scumreading him from the VERY BEGINNING. I had a scumread on Rayn and presented several points on him on page 41. So your point on me abandoning to sheep a case on Rayn is completely invalid. As I pointed out to either Ritoky or FF (I cannot remember which one) I was the LAST one off Fecalfeast. And when Rayn became even more active, he actually gave me even more material to work with in presenting further cases on him based on his approach to his reads versus what actually happened - and I presented contrasting points on those. So you need to read my filter again, because we're in mylo and yolo reads in mylo are extremely dangerous. | ||
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On February 20 2015 13:39 Superbia wrote: Also the fact that prplhz is at the end of many people's lists is somewhat intriguing. No one specified preference when I took down people's lists from what I recall, at least not until Rasputin's latest post. "End" means nothing, scum is scum unless the person actually states a rank/preference. | ||
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On February 20 2015 13:40 rsoultin wrote: You're still scumreading FF...do you think his wagon would have formed that fast if he was mafia? That's actually part of the reason that I think if he's scum, he's probably the SK. Also, what do you think of his participation so far Night 2? This is a fair question. To be honest - and I'll just say it now - based on his reads - I was sure that Ritoky was the SK actually for awhile when he was scumreading FF and Rayn, but now I'm not so sure. You have a point on the formation of the wagon. Offhand, IIRC Palmar just jumped on it right away but I recall him putting FF on his lynchables list as he did me. The progression seemed logical at that time. Damdred straight up sheeped coming off straight replacement when many (including myself) were doubting Breshke's participation. At that time I meta read Breshke at scum because in his scum reads he presented scum reads RIGHT at the end of day, and he wasn't solid in his reads most of D1 before replacement. Slam and LS sheeped as well, and LS made a claim at the time that he felt that FF should know his play better but I think he rescinded that. I need to check LS's filter one more time. The jumps in logic were my problem when he made his reads on me and his interaction in the whole LS thing just a few hours ago almost reconfirms how I felt earlier, I felt quite uneasy on that, but Ritoky and Blazinghand's behaviour in all that exchange raised a massive red flag, to be honest, FF paled in comparison to those two. My reaction was just.....holy shit. Like BH you are a bloody idiot if you are not scum. But on FF, it was just sheeping entirely. On February 20 2015 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote: Well, You have my vote-sword BH and ritoky. He made that nuke comment and hardly anything in that exchange as Ritoky and BH overshadowed him. Right now, I would be pushing Ritoky and prplhz over FF largely honestly given the list I compiled - this late and in mylo, the reads on townies should be somewhat similar and converging. Should scum flip I would be trying to work off what I had on those people. | ||
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Need to see who townread him and who he was trying to protect. The manner in which he tried to implicate LS lines up with that result. Way too opportunistic and you called him out then Ras. I need to go to the gym, but this result gives me a good sense of direction. | ||
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Quick skimming of both Breshke and Damdred's filters is somewhat revealing. Damdred does a decent job of not giving away too much information, but both Breshke and Damdred are soft defending Palmar, both of them are also pro-BH, which leads to even more likely that BH is scum. Breshke tries to steer FF away from a Palmar scumlean early game. On February 15 2015 07:15 Breshke wrote: You think a scum palmar "gets caught" wanting to hunt for power roles. I think that is a bad read. I'm feeling even better about this Blazinghand scum read. Also note he survived tonight. Evaluate Robik's impact versus BH being a JK, Robik wasn't too impactful until the prospect of mylo and there was that sense of urgency. Robik questioned the Ritoky/BH push on me and echoed my concern on BH's devil-may-care attitude in mylo. Breshke votes on BH with thread sentiment - no explanation, not even to sheep. Damdred doesn't seem to like Fecalfeast though in his filter, sheeped my case almost too easily and a decent chunk of picking on him through his filter...also in parallel with quick votes on Rayn as well. Folks, there's a good chance here Fecalfeast might actually be town. I might actually be wrong here on Fecalfeast. Based on these filters alone: Fecalfeast and VayneAuthority are most likely town. Yes I might concede here the way Damdred is going about FF and the way he voted on him....Fecalfeast is most likely town. Damdred was opportunistic on LightningStrike. Those of you wanting to lynch LightningStrike, think again. LS is likely town here too. The way that Breshke waffled on him but didn't want to TR LS in the end also indicates this. Consequently this makes Ritoky and BH in turn look worse given how they went about shit in evaluating LS, the same way that Damdred did. Palmar is more likely to be scum, but here the evidence isn't as solid. Soft-defence of him by Damdred and Breshke is problematic and Rayn was questioning him as well. Blazinghand is most likely scum at this point. We need to figure out the vote count on BH at the time that Breshke unvoted. That will be key. | ||
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MYLO scumteams by player (number in parenthesis is the page number they called out that given scumteam) Damdred confirmed mafia RB D3 flip Palmar (154) FF, Ritoky, VA, prplhz Rsoultin (153) prplhz, Ritoky, BH, Super 5th: Slam/HTS/Robik/Damdred VA (155) LS, Ritoky, prplhz, Breshke (until rep) Robik as SK maybe Damdred HTS (167) Ritoky, Blazinghand, prphlz (in order of preference) SK - not sure atm Robik (151, 153) LS, Blazinghand, Rasputin, TBD LS (155) Ritoky, VA, Robik, Alakaslam, prplhz | ||
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On February 20 2015 16:55 ritoky wrote: roleblock him and let townies try and wifom BH as a ML is an easy strat. superbia not dying is the more odd one to me. if you're rbing a jk and his vet power is claimed to be expended....eh no point in going down the wifom road now when there's a clear scum in LS on the table. if BH is alive tomorrow, then start thinking about it since medic alive through that many night phases while claimed is sketch-city. OP does not indicate roleblock preference between RB and JK, so we can assume that roleblocks resolve simultaneously, just as Superbia concluded with simultaneous KP. If RB and JK roleblock resolve simultaneously, what you just said makes zero sense. Basically you're arguing that mafia would roleblock but not kill a confirmed JK over a vet with no protection? When that aforementioned JK still has a potential to roleblock a possible janitor in the mix? You bore me, Ritoky. | ||
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On February 20 2015 16:03 ritoky wrote: if you're town right here HtS, which I am having a hard time believing, you need to re-orient yourself. there's literally 0 reason I am ever mafia in this game after what I did to LS. even if you don't like the slip, look at the completely manufactured and flipped read, if you don't like THAT and you're still unconvinced, look at the examination of my own meta and how he accuses me of a tunnel on you THEN RETRACTS IT then accuses me of a tunnel on him and only brings up 3 FRIGGIN POSTS as a "tunnel". sorry no dice, he tried to bs some read and got stomped. With each post, Ritoky, you've just giving me more ammunition for your lynch. So now you're going to try and pin LS on how he defines tunnel? Why does this sound familiar? Oh wait! I know. I was mafia godfather in Newbie LX and I successfully got him mislynched partially based on how LS defined tunnel (LS was VT). I took advantage of his incoherence. On January 08 2015 05:45 Half the Sky wrote: LS, well, deary me. I was 50/50 on this guy but now he looks worse. I looked at the exchange between him and Rasputin and aside from the whole blue role controversy I'm just not buying this: As town, I don't know how not observing the votes near EoD would fly. He said he's tunnelled too hard on Waffle, so I decided to work backwards on read progression. Tunnelled? Really? Going through LS's filter, he goes on from a scum read post on Shining to a vote on WW on page 17, 17 minutes after Rasputin votes him. In his filter, there is zero progression to WW up to the time he votes him. After his vote I see one repetition in his filter of why he voted but I don't see any followup questions, or him making a bigger case. Then he says he's tunnelled on him. I don't even. It just seems to me too convenient of a vote. In contrast, Tubesock was actually tunnelled on WW and I could at least follow where he was coming from, why he asked the questions he did. In his filter there are 10+ posts with questions on WW and explanations on WW's read post. None of that from LS. On January 08 2015 06:32 LightningStrike wrote: I just tunelled to hard while I was worried about my mom but at least she is feeling much better now. I just couldn't concentrate at all at the time but WW was way more inactive in the thread that all I remember why I went after WW and also I was liking rsoultins post on why to vote WW too. I so lost right now to be honest with you like maybe one of my town reads is scum this game and I just denying it. I hope Day 2 gives me a fresh start on who is scum and who isn't. And EVEN IN SPITE OF ME shooting him down on "tunnelling" his target, he STILL maintains he tunnelled in this game over a SINGLE post!!!! AS A BLOODY VT. I was mafia in that game. And he's doing it again as VT? Not surprised. I see you are doing just the same. Congratulations Ritoky you know how to take advantage of LS! If you're town right here, Ritoky, which I, and a few others remaining at this point all have a hard time believing, I think you ought to be the one that needs to re-orient yourself. The Damdred/Breshke slot was just confirmed (flipped) scum. Why don't you comment on both of Damdred and Breshke's filters and the way they tried to scumread LS, and particularly the way that Damdred tried to pin the scumslip on LS. The fact that one person's filter is doing this is indicative, but two scummers' filters effectively saying the same thing....whereas a scum slip can be misused and misconstrued by the person using it, as Rasputin has already pointed out. And like I said, Damdred tried to pin the so-called scum slip on LS, so there's already evidence of misuse of that scum slip. | ||
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On February 20 2015 17:25 ritoky wrote: Also if you look at your town reads there HtS, I think one of them had damdred as mafia in total. Guess who did have damdred as mafia? This guy. Re-orient your reads quickly. Just because a person is town does not mean they are correct. So what you have just said means nothing. Try harder. | ||
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On February 20 2015 17:20 ritoky wrote: how about you address the fact that you used damdred's flip to try to call me mafia, yet I called breshke mafia since basically the start of the game and demonstrated the vote logic to show a damdred + LS team was very feasible last phase even before any of this stuff. LS is scum, you need to get that through your head. BH is town you need to get that through your head. if you can't then you're probably scum too. Damdred flipped scum and others will be using his filter to look for associative reads. Are you not reading the thread? Yes, Ritoky, you can call any of your teammates mafia for later credit when they flip. I wasn't born yesterday. A few others had Breshke on the lynchables list for his lurking. Your point? VCA is a great tool to use when you're town but scum are capable of misrepresenting that too. You've been misrepresenting things all game. LS sheeps votes a lot as town, so with a Damdred flip of course it's going to make any town you managed to pair off with him two days in a row look bad. | ||
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On February 21 2015 06:38 Superbia wrote: I don't think LS is scum. What's the status on prplhz? Is he set to be modkilled, replaced or warned? We are past night 2, so I don't think he will be replaced per the OP. | ||
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On February 21 2015 05:24 LightningStrike wrote: Okay let's lynch Slam he seems like his mafia meta from Slytherin this game. He doesn't seem to scum hunt or do his own pushes and wouldn't push any of his reads this game. He's Mafia this game and here's his filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477307-slytherin-mini-mafia?user=Alakaslam ##Vote: Alakaslam LS, you were town in Horn. I believe one of the points for improvement in your town game that was mentioned to you post game is not to throw links at people if you want to make a case. Go into that filter and draw out the quotes that parallel the points you are trying to make against Slam. If you are town, I think you can do this. <3 | ||
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On February 22 2015 11:25 rsoultin wrote: Oh, btw, there's an interesting gem I noticed in reading LS' filter where ritoky mentioned that he "can" tunnel as either alignment. Which put me in mind of reading the scum QT after Carol where ritoky justified tunnel bussing HF by saying that he always tunnels as town. Something that makes me think that ritoky may be our third party if this is a departure from both his town and scum games. Well VA said something earlier that might indicate this too. On February 20 2015 00:19 VayneAuthority wrote: LS, Ritoky, prphlz, and 4th was breshke until he got replaced, I dont deal with replacements so dont care about that slot anymore. I think robik is potentially the SK at this point, or damdred. I see now that Robik is playing his town game but isn't actually invested in it, why he hasn't went after the LS lynch more is beyond me. SK is basically an extension of town right now as he has to shoot mafia so no reason to lynch. This was before Robik died obviously. On February 21 2015 09:30 VayneAuthority wrote: Also I know who the SK is now, interesting. Don't really want to reveal it as he's towns strongest player atm. On February 21 2015 09:38 VayneAuthority wrote: Any particular reason that I would need to go into detail? Ritoky and LS are not the same alignment, we would lynch 1 scum if we lynched both that should suffice I know VA was scumreading LS before though, and ritoky was posting a lot of cases as well on LS and trying to convince me and others that LS was scum. I thought it was Ritoky earlier given the way he was reading Rayn, FF and myself, but I was obviously wrong on Rayn, and after examining Damdred's filter, I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on FF being scum. Although I'm curious to see why you think he's SK. Also if you're that interested in finding SK, Rasputin, I wonder if there's any way to work backwards on any information or reads people might have had on either of Damdred or Kelsier. | ||
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On February 22 2015 11:39 rsoultin wrote: Someone gave stats on replacements. I forget who. The way I figure it, SK could either have been reading KSC town, null, or scum to throw people off before taking a shot at him if in fact the SK did shoot KSC and not someone else. But SK definitely shot Damdred, and the SK would reasonably be interested in getting scum lynched Day 2 to balance out the sides. I'm not sure that it was ritoky who said it, but it does fit his stats interest. It was Robik, I was correct. On February 19 2015 06:35 IAmRobik wrote: let's play a game called statistics. 274 people subbed out of games from 2014-2015. 243 of them were mafia. On February 19 2015 07:59 IAmRobik wrote: I made it up, but the % of time a sub is mafia is probably something like 85% to 15% town But Robik is dead, although I think a few initially suspected him of being SK based on how he ramped it up N2. | ||
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On February 22 2015 11:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Also the "stats" on replacements - there were two comments on that I think Robik was one of them....hold on. I asked for verification and i think bh or palmar said if it was true they liked it[/QUOTE] Well I know you are also suspecting Palmar of being scum, but are you also suggesting as well one of the above could be SK? As for tonight's lynch, I'm still not convinced on LS. I'm in the same boat as Rasputin, of the 8 games I've played, 6 of them have been with LS. And I'm seeing a lot of the incoherence I've been seeing in the 5 games he's been town. I know his read on Slam was questioned, but if I recall right, I'm pretty sure he PoE-ed his scumreads when he first called out his scumteam. So it's not like his read on Slam came out of nowhere. On February 20 2015 00:32 LightningStrike wrote: Now there is Mafia in my eyes in ritoky, VayneAuthority, IAmRobik,, Alakaslam, prplhz so this could be very well the entire anti town for me which 4 Mafia and 1 SK is 5 players and I got 5 and Robik might have been a wrong meta read which I taking into account for this and the fact he been tunneling the shit out of me and Slam is mostly unreadable for me this game and the last I couldn’t read him he was Mafia in Slytherin so I think he might be Mafia this game on meta for me. Ritoky although he looked better than his last mafia games I seen him play (Carol which I played and Imperial I shadowed) but he seem to still have some of his mafia traits in him but not as much as that time and give there been time since these two games happened he could of worked on his Mafia play. Prplhz he might be a vet as far I’m concerned and if he is one he looks really bad like Gobble bad meaning he could be mafia with very poor play and he doesn’t look very townie this game. VA he being absolutely useless this game and even more useless than in NYE Party mafia which I played with him so I think he could mafia on that alone. | ||
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On February 22 2015 11:52 Superbia wrote: Would SK!Palmar flip-flop his reads on Damdred to leave no trail for his shot? Here's a few quotes for thought. On February 18 2015 06:59 Palmar wrote: I don't like people like ff and damdred going after rsou. I think she is pretty clearly town. On February 18 2015 07:00 Palmar wrote: You need to step shit up Damdred. Breshke was not noteworthy and you haven't been either. Why do you scumread a townread of mine, yet think I'm town? I believe was the below after he cased Rayn. On February 18 2015 23:58 Palmar wrote: I actually feel a lot better about damdred now. On February 19 2015 06:09 Palmar wrote: Like I have no problem with rayn calling prplhz mafia, if he wanted to go for someone on his wagon. Like even if rayn flips town I'm never going to lynch damdred because of this push. You think the bolded is a way of him hiding what he thinks of Damdred? On February 19 2015 23:54 Palmar wrote: No I probably gave some random mafia townread. Maybe it's Damdred? you? rsoultin? superbia? LS? robik? Doesn't matter. I'm not lynching into my nulls/towns until I've exhausted my shit tier list. Palmar as SK might be possible on these quotes. Not sure if he had any commentary on Kelsier though. | ||
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I'm even trying to see any of the shit he said from a perspective where he could be coached by scumbuddies if he is scum. But the voice I'm reading is a voice that seems quite independent and even if not so coherent. | ||
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Only scumread that appears to be a wagon atm. I'm going to re-read Ritoky's filter again and try and see if I can ferret out an SK from his posts. | ||
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On February 22 2015 12:58 rsoultin wrote: HtS; talk to me. You're the only other one who thinks LS is town. I'll be honest, my head is spinning right now with the whole SK thing. First Ritoky. Then this. I'm trying my best to reason this out. Especially if you are trying that hard to SK hunt. When I cleared FF in my analysis of Damdred's filter I never took into consideration that FF is SK. But the way scum were going about it, he was clearly not scum. Do FF's scumreads make sense? | ||
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Is that 18 page filter half quality/half shit tier? The only town game I recall is Carol and he didn't seem to care in that one. | ||
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On February 22 2015 13:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: prplhz leads LigntningStrike 5-4 Cheers. | ||
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On February 22 2015 13:09 prplhz wrote: FF palmar rito rso yes i know there's one too many There's an SK at large. Of the above, do you have a prediction/thought on an SK? | ||
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On February 22 2015 13:10 prplhz wrote: rito and rso are kind of the same, both post a lot without saying anything. Seriously? They probably have the most amount of substance to their posts, although I've thought Ritoky's posts was quite misleading personally, but the point is, both have been pretty clear on their conclusions, thought processes, etc. | ||
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On February 22 2015 13:40 Fecalfeast wrote: Am i switching to ls bh? I am your squire You aren't thinking for yourself because....? You're not convinced by any of the things LS has said as of late? | ||
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On February 22 2015 13:44 Superbia wrote: I think both wagons are probably town. At least I have no idea which one to choose at this point in time. I think Palmar is the target. With Rasputin's vote, prplhz leads LS 6-4 per Sentinel's latest post. I don't know offhand who is voting for whom so as to figure out whether enough people switching will actually kill LS. | ||
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On February 22 2015 13:50 Superbia wrote: I may switch as well. Palmar? Do we have at least 4 on him? | ||
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On February 22 2015 13:52 Superbia wrote: But yes on Palmar if we have 4. Hands, who is willing to switch to Palmar? I will. That's 3 of the four possible scumreaders......Blazinghand????? | ||
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On February 22 2015 13:55 prplhz wrote: is this majority or plurality lynch? are we sure we have a lynch? Yea I was confused with the rules D1 - I asked and he said plurality. | ||
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#1 says majority and #5 says plurality. And that's why I asked. | ||
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FUCK YES!!!!!!!! | ||
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GET IN THERE!!!!!!! | ||
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On February 22 2015 14:17 VayneAuthority wrote: Ayyy. for anyone that was about to read Palmar's filter dont even bother. I just went through the entire thing its a steaming pile of shit. You're here just after lynch? | ||
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On February 22 2015 14:20 LightningStrike wrote: HTS and rsoultin can I have your swords tomorrow on lynching prplhz? Not yet. Need to read Palmar's filter now...and see if anything gives anyone else away. | ||
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On February 22 2015 14:24 Superbia wrote: This flip and the last minute switches made the game this much easier for me. 100% | ||
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His last recorded scumteam: On February 20 2015 00:39 Half the Sky wrote: Palmar (154) FF, Ritoky, VA, prplhz | ||
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On February 17 2015 08:58 Palmar wrote: Okay, I wanted to be less lazy and do some more tonight, but this is what you get. I mostly want this posted because i'll be super mad at myself if I don't post this and then get shot. rayn I don't know now. Basically yesterday when I wrote the case on him, part of the case was also to gauge his reaction to it. I sort of thought to myself "if he responds with straight up omgus, he's mafia" and "if he actually recognizes that what I'm saying is true and valid, and just argues why it doesn't apply, he might not be mafia". The fact that he just left the thread made me more sure he's mafia, and he came back today and just pulled an OMGUS. Then he went and posted _exactly_ what I would have expected him to post as town. See the bolded. Now I'm not sure. Maybe he's town? If he keeps lynching townies and keeps not having any influence on the lynch, kill him, but I don't think we lynch him tomorrow. ritoky is mafia. Lynch with fire. Besides being completely uninvested and most of his very short filter being chupazi jokes with slam, he actually did suspect rsoultin at some point for what seemed to be reasons he actually believed, then later he posted both a list post with various players that didn't even include rsoultin and a mafia team that didn't either. It's like he forgot she exists which is strange as he in theory already had a read on her. I know all this because it took me well into the night to realize he was even playing so I read his filter. That's how boring his posts were. Town Puppy and Blazinghand are probably town. Someone pointed out that it fits the flavor for there to be two people and there is literally no reason for mafia to fakeclaim that on day 1 (if one of them is 4real mafia just shuts the fuck up and shoots the other in the night). I haven't really read their posts though. IAmRobik probably town, I've gotten more confident reading him lately and somehow his posts in the last few games have been less awful than before. I liked how he acted regarding the HTS claim and I really like his read on me and calling me top town (pro-tip mafia, just call me top town for free townreads). rsoultin is probably town too. I think her interaction with BH early regarding the RNG lynch was pretty much okay. Also despite getting the idea behind my case on rayn completely wrong, I still think she showed an actual interest in it. Her general vibe is also just sort of bubbly/happy which makes her less likely to be mafia. LightningStrike is a wizard. KelsierSC could be mafia. Looks especially worse if rayn turns out to be actually town because that defense was basically unnecessary. And I guess the main thing isn't really the defense, it's the fact that he could easily not have argued with me about the rayn thing and instead really tried to push his own thing. He seemed fine with getting caught up in that despite having just posted his own case. Alakaslam: who knows I thought prplhz was town yesterday. He made the point about me not reading OPs but didn't seem to really jump to conclusions over it. Howerver I sorta feel like he's disappeared and not been much of a factor in the game since then but still. I actually used to pride myself on being basically a prplhz whisperer because I'd always know his alignment. So maybe I'm just shit. Superbia is a hard read atm. I kinda liked his initial vote on rayn because it basically was a bit of a "I don't care" move, and he definitely doesn't have that kinda flash as mafia from what I have seen. Soooo town maybe slightly? Fecalfeast gave me the attention I crave so much. very slight townread. Half the Sky Breshke VayneAuthority No idea, can't remember anything they've posted. (especially for HTS that might be scummy, because I always tend to figure her out as town quite early, I even wrote about how it's a pretty unique skill of hers). He doesn't read LS or Slam and calls Ritoky mafia. He goes back and forth on prplhz... If LS is indeed scum, I think I'm going to take a vacation from TL Mafia. | ||
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LS and Slam might actually be the last two scum.....and I'm doing this by PoE. Ritoky is probably serial killer. You heard it here first. Good night/morning and well done again <3 | ||
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On February 23 2015 00:59 LightningStrike wrote: I'm awake. I want everyone's input on my case on prplhz now. Well Superbia, I think he sounds a bit frantic for post-lynch. | ||
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On February 23 2015 03:04 rsoultin wrote: Okay? So what does that mean to you? Hang tight....getting a bunch of quotes together to prove my point.... | ||
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On February 22 2015 14:12 LightningStrike wrote: Wow so my meta read on him was off. Fuck. But still seriously lets lynch prplhz tomorrow guys. On February 22 2015 14:19 LightningStrike wrote: Also it's funny that Palmar was hard townreading me........... On February 22 2015 14:20 LightningStrike wrote: HTS and rsoultin can I have your swords tomorrow on lynching prplhz? On February 22 2015 14:34 LightningStrike wrote: I'm not Mafia and he said reasons why I'm town throughout his filter Palmar was hard defending LS pretty much the entire game. Notice how he sheeped scum reads on Rayn and FF when we (Damdred/myself) presented our cases on them. One of Palmar's skills as noted in (I think????) Linux is knowing when to sheep a good case. Or as mafia here, what he perceived as a good case. I think his strategy this game (he has claimed in Hammertime as town that he doesn't have a meta) was riding people's wrong reads on others. In the same vein, look at how you and I Rasputin were defending LS based on meta, others who didn't know him too well were scumreading him. Palmar....did he play with LS that often to be making the same judgment that WE were? I don't think so. He was sheeping/copying/however you want to put it OUR reads on LS. Additionally, let's go back to LS and my thoughts on him. I don't like his reaction to the lynch at ALL. He's more concerned about his scumread being right. Self-consciousness. Probably the most marked I've seen all game, I will admit. Everyone was thrilled to see a mafia go....except him. Look at all his quotes post-lynch. (I've quoted most above.) Not just the one I posted in response to Superbia. | ||
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The fact that he's targetting "easy" lynches in prphlz doesn't help, especially with Palmar leaving his vote on prplhz. I don't know the vote count at the time Palmar voted, but it's really not looking good for him at all. | ||
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On February 23 2015 03:26 rsoultin wrote: Lol, I don't know that I'd call prplhz an "easy" lynch right now, HtS, but I see your point. No, not now. I am referring to the time (D3) we were all mostly taking a look at lynching him. Even when I was tracking scumreads early D3, nearly everyone had him on their lists. That's what I meant. Now? I don't think prplhz is the lynch tomorrow. It's possible Palmar could have bussed him, but unlikely as SK was still alive. And a lot of people, like I said, had him on their lists. Sorry I wasn't clear there. | ||
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Much improved scum game m'lady. | ||
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On February 23 2015 14:02 Blazinghand wrote: well time to lynch LS. That RS flip pretty much seals it 100% ##vote LightningStrike Contrived my arse Rasputin. I was convinced a town Rasputin should know how to read me. Except you weren't town. LOL. | ||
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As long as we can come to an agreement, I think we'll be fine. We can finish the job either way since a positive lynch will take the enemy down to 1kp. | ||
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On February 23 2015 14:14 VayneAuthority wrote: this isnt the real janitor role. Janitor in mafia is some one that makes a kill at night and covers up what they were so its a no flip. Provides mafia with info the town doesnt have so they can fake claim a power role if thats what they janitored. This is just a made up role with an overloaded kit. Good lord, I have a lot to learn about this game. Cheers for the info. | ||
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Good night/morning, and cheers to the SK, you just made this game much easier for us. | ||
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On February 23 2015 14:33 LightningStrike wrote: Like I now just going to get lynched and town loses. Grats on the lost town. May you guys feel my wrath from the grave LOL? You realise town has the upper hand? And now that Rasputin's flipped, I'm pretty sure she was coaching you this whole time...zing. | ||
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2. Half the Sky 3. ritoky 4. VayneAuthority 9. LightningStrike 12. Alakaslam 13. prplhz 14. Blazinghand 17. Fecalfeast 8 remaining. 6 town, 1 scummer, 1 SK. | ||
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On February 23 2015 16:28 Alakaslam wrote: I am inclined to lynch Prplhz today actually. Really, I am. Perhaps that is strange? Someone disagree? Could you make yourself clear, if so? Unilateral action is fine, no need to discuss with folks.. Maybe. sson I sez we lynches the prp but if CHUPAZI too stoop we can lynch LS Slam, there are two issues with taking out prplhz. I'll let VA explain #1, but #2 is from the POV of the flipped scum. 1 VA explains that prphlz voting Breshke when he did (or when a wagon could have formed on him or whatever) vindicates him. (I think...if I botched this, correc me.) 2 Look at what Palmar and Rasputin tried to do towards end of day 3. Palmar near-afked on prplhz, thinking most people were going to just settle for him (given how I was tracking votes), and Rasputin did the same. Both were trying (esp Ras) to steer us away from LS too. I was giving LS a pass until I saw his EoD reaction and then worked it PoE, something was wrong, because EoD/Palmar's flip allowed me to eliminate prplhz. The vote was either 6-4 or 5-5 when we shennanied onto Palmar. Rasputin was GF and Palmar was goon, which explains why she was willing to shennanie onto Palmar instead of risking getting LS killed with the vote 5-5, he had some janitor power left or whatever. I don't think at the time she anticipated getting shot at EoD. And then it happened. It was also highly unlikely she was getting lynched either. | ||
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On February 23 2015 13:59 Superbia wrote: Wait if BH is reading VA scum take a look at him as well. Superbia also has a point on the outside chance that BH could be the final scummer instead of LS, but I would only explore that avenue if in the unlikely event that LS flips town, or just skip to Ritoky because we really need that SK dead. Just my thoughts. | ||
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What are your thoughts on whom is SK? | ||
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On February 23 2015 23:45 LightningStrike wrote: Does it bother anyone else that BH said he would JK Superbia and yet Superbia died? Silence, evil janitor On February 10 2015 15:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Garlic: On any night the roleblocker is not active, you may use garlic, which disrupts a player's actions, but very stealthily. The target will not know they have been roleblocked. The roleblocker may use this ability instead, upon agreement. | ||
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What were your checks for the previous two nights? | ||
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I doubt there are three though. Carol, there were 3 millers plus a GF in a 26-person game. 3 millers out of 12 plus a GF (Rasputin) in a 17-person game, just under 25% FP rate......I don't think so. | ||
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EBWOP again finally figured out your breadcrumbing Slam. I get it now. So I think you checked Rasputin as town (but she was GF, so you probably red-checked her) VA you had a red check (town) on him. BH has a red check (town) on him. GF is dead, no false positives. Interesting bussing strategy by scum, but so it shall be. If Prplhz was blue-checked, then we have to swing that way. I don't see any possibility of a third miller with a GF and the SK having that option. ##unvote ##vote Prplhz | ||
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On February 24 2015 02:05 LightningStrike wrote: HTS if Slam isn't lieing about his role do you think I'm the SK then? You could be but if you've been eliminated as scum, you as SK is possible, if there's any show of a different agenda. I still think it's much much much more likely to be Ritoky. | ||
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I'm eating, I will re-vote in the proper format when I get to a computer. | ||
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Yeh that cop is countered pretty nicely. | ||
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On February 24 2015 02:14 LightningStrike wrote: So with Rsoultin coming up as GF I figured out she was willing ot get rid of Palmar because Prplhz is the Janitor who is more useful than a Goon. This is possible. But I can definitely see why they threw their votes on prplhz....town cred. Neither of them were strong candidates to get lynched. And Palmar probably would not have gotten lynched once Superbia died. FF had the case and I had a hair on him, but that shennanies was the best time to take him out. | ||
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Cheers for confirming Slam. | ||
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On February 24 2015 02:39 LightningStrike wrote: HTS did I tell you I can find Mafia when I in a high pressure situation? It's hard to tell whether you're doing it out of pressure or not tbh. prplhz was an easy read. | ||
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3. ritoky - likely SK 4. VayneAuthority - red check - town 9. LightningStrike - could be SK, but doubt it 12. Alakaslam - cop 13. prplhz - blue check - scum 14. Blazinghand - red check - town 17. Fecalfeast - probable town Chances of FF being SK......meh. | ||
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I'm so bad at this game. *goes into the corner* | ||
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On February 24 2015 05:03 ritoky wrote: jesus, will you get the hell off my nuts HtS? you've literally spent the entire game yelling about how I am mafia, and now that you can't be right, you've switched to me as SK. can you just admit being wrong and move on already? You realise I'm not the only one who has/have called you SK, right? | ||
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On February 24 2015 05:11 prplhz wrote: lynch someone else? No. You were blue checked. | ||
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Also good call LS on the JK request for tonight. | ||
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I mean if you're saying if it happens too often yeh but it's like most else just have to know when to do it. | ||
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Feeling good FF, almost there with this game. | ||
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Get rekt scumteam.....especially you Ras-pew-tin hehe but seriously massive improved scumgame m'lady! I'm sorry I was total shite this game. GG WP Ritoky. I'm sorry (but not sorry) I tunnelled you all game. Congrats again on getting married! | ||
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Admittedly I'd not have said anything. Another question, honestly, why is it a bad reason to claim miller D1? I figured as long as I kept contributing and going about my normal town game it should have been fine right? That's actually what I was and I never have been miller. I mean if I played on til D3 and Slam came out with "blue check hts lynch her now" I'm not sure what I would have done, probably gotten lynched for being terrible this game? I am assuming Slam would have checked me anyways if I didn't claim but I don't know. | ||
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On February 25 2015 21:22 marvellosity wrote: it's not a bad thing to claim miller d1. always claim miller at the start of d1. there's no reason whatsoever not to. Well Rayn tried to get me lynched for it and he flipped town so someone had what they thought was a legit problem with the claim. Rayn also claimed that you'd never say something like this... Hey Rayn, why don't you read this? As for Rayn he was so anti-town this game that when Sentinel flipped him I thought he was playing a bad joke on us :/ | ||
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On February 25 2015 22:04 marvellosity wrote: well, rayn was a silly for trying to lynch you for it. also rayn got lynched when he was the one calling out mafia left and right. he was the most pro-town player in the game on the day he got lynched. He was pushing me harder than the actual scum team that's the thing and the way he tried to present my posts....I went back to his filter and he clearly isolated things I said out of context. And HF, I know, I've heard exclusively negative things from other people about Rayn so going into the game I was putting aside his abrasiveness as NAI. So I tried to focus more on his content. I didn't realise he was going to tunnel me and stretch the way he did though. | ||
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The criticisms of Rayn were justified imo from beginning to end... Palmar, though mafia, was spot on with saying what he did. I think that it was Geript who said an ML blame divided between the person who was lynched and the rest of town. Like if Rayn was right he failed to convince. I honestly don't think I played very well at all, though some of my reads were right, except for Ritoky I got most of the critical ones wrong, Palmar no hunch until D3, although it felt weird to be sheeped by Damdred and him, I don't consider myself a sheepable player so that should have been a red flag but had no convincing argument. I think I tried thinking too hard on the game and some people (eg FF) have scummier town games than I realised. | ||
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Slam why would you copcheck me if I already claimed miller? What were you expecting? or trying to verify? | ||
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On February 26 2015 09:50 Alakaslam wrote: Wanted to verify. Would have made another conftown. Or it wouldn't matter if I got killed or jk. Fair play. With all scum dead, you'd have gotten a blue check on me, which would have confirmed me town I know someone else in obs qt suspected me as SK. For the experienced: what ARE the ways to spot an SK? >_< | ||
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I've also not played with Blazinghand either, nor have I played with Superbia nor yourself. And I've never played with Palmar when he's scum. | ||
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On February 26 2015 11:44 Holyflare wrote: apathy to who dies really if they are playing lazy, not many ways tbh :/ I see. Live and learn, I suppose. Ritoky wasn't too difficult to spot by some, but I guess it could have been worse. | ||
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