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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 15 2015 10:32 GMT
#841
If rayn is town we're lynching kelsier for tmi
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 15 2015 10:34 GMT
#842
On February 15 2015 19:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Also palmar what are your thoughts on superbia?

I have read very little of his stuff, although I did like him coming in and just casually calling rayn mafia. I reserve the right to change that notion based on actually reading any of his stuff.
Computer says mafia
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 15 2015 10:34 GMT
#843
On February 15 2015 19:31 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 19:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright so I read through his filter again. He said he has a semi yolo read on you based on your approach this game and that is why he calls you town.

Now I admit i dont have a veteran perspective on this but if he really likes the prplhz quote, which it is clear he does then i font think there is an issue with him retracting his town read. Does he actually call you scum though? Either way i dont think your case on rayn is good. He seems town to me.

Yes but he later confirmed in his list post that he actually thinks I'm town. There is literally no reason for rayn to doubt I'm town at this point, the fact that I didn't try to bury him regarding the hts/robik stuff should basically give him such a strong townread on me that there is no reason to doubt it, especially the fact that I may or may not read OPs


yeh don't get me wrong I believe that the case from prphlz against you was poor. But again I don't know why rayn was townreading you specifically and your case on him being scum is relying , in part, on him having strong reasons to townread you.
It might be the case that rayn had just a "feel" from you but he really liked prplhz case. If that is the truth then your reason to scumread him looks kind of loose.
Zerg for Life
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 15 2015 10:36 GMT
#844
On February 15 2015 19:34 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 19:31 Palmar wrote:
On February 15 2015 19:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright so I read through his filter again. He said he has a semi yolo read on you based on your approach this game and that is why he calls you town.

Now I admit i dont have a veteran perspective on this but if he really likes the prplhz quote, which it is clear he does then i font think there is an issue with him retracting his town read. Does he actually call you scum though? Either way i dont think your case on rayn is good. He seems town to me.

Yes but he later confirmed in his list post that he actually thinks I'm town. There is literally no reason for rayn to doubt I'm town at this point, the fact that I didn't try to bury him regarding the hts/robik stuff should basically give him such a strong townread on me that there is no reason to doubt it, especially the fact that I may or may not read OPs


yeh don't get me wrong I believe that the case from prphlz against you was poor. But again I don't know why rayn was townreading you specifically and your case on him being scum is relying , in part, on him having strong reasons to townread you.
It might be the case that rayn had just a "feel" from you but he really liked prplhz case. If that is the truth then your reason to scumread him looks kind of loose.

Even if that's the case, that would be the second time I misunderstand rayn this game.

where there is smoke, there is fire. If I keep getting bad feelings from interactions about him, it's likely there is something to it.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 15 2015 10:38 GMT
#845
And I want to reiterate, while not quite marv level, rayn should at this point at least be heavily leaning town on me. Like you're assuming he has no read on me when that almost cannot be true.

Go read the interaction between robik and rayn regarding hts, and then between me and rayn when I call him out about it and he ends up calling me town.

tinfoil hat even says that rayn may have wanted to shut me down looking into him by trying to get me to work with him based on a "yolo-read".
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 15 2015 10:40 GMT
#846
when I say assume he has no read, I mean that you think his read on me is way weaker than it should be.

But that's also not the main point. The main point is he drops his townread on me which was based on stuff I actually posted and looked really town, based on some random point about whether or not I read OPs. I read OPs just as little when I'm mafia as when I'm town. I'm even inclined to think it's more likely I'd hide behind that as mafia (see how I eventually ended up reading it quite extensively in that pyp game) because it's an easy out.
Computer says mafia
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 15 2015 10:41 GMT
#847
On February 15 2015 19:38 Palmar wrote:
And I want to reiterate, while not quite marv level, rayn should at this point at least be heavily leaning town on me. Like you're assuming he has no read on me when that almost cannot be true.

Go read the interaction between robik and rayn regarding hts, and then between me and rayn when I call him out about it and he ends up calling me town.

tinfoil hat even says that rayn may have wanted to shut me down looking into him by trying to get me to work with him based on a "yolo-read".


I think my problem is that to me it seems your case is based on the assumptions rather than me making the assumption.

I just read the filter looking for his reasons to town read you and I don't see any strong ones, I saw rayn calling you town for "semi yolo reasons"
To me, it seems you are the ones making assumptions by saying rayn had a strong town read on you when I don't see the evidence for that.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 15 2015 10:42 GMT
#848
On February 15 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
when I say assume he has no read, I mean that you think his read on me is way weaker than it should be.

But that's also not the main point. The main point is he drops his townread on me which was based on stuff I actually posted and looked really town, based on some random point about whether or not I read OPs. I read OPs just as little when I'm mafia as when I'm town. I'm even inclined to think it's more likely I'd hide behind that as mafia (see how I eventually ended up reading it quite extensively in that pyp game) because it's an easy out.


perhaps, I don't know the history between you and rayn so I am just working off the evidence I see in this game. The case regarding the OP's is terrible though.

Zerg for Life
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 15 2015 10:45 GMT
#849
On February 14 2015 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It has to do with the fact we have been in this situation before.
You have been mafia (thug life) and town (the game i dont remember -- around october mby).

Both times you called me scum for somerhing you werent sure of. On both times i hit you back and it ruined the thread and i still couldn't lynch you. I think you -- as mafia -- would have... idk... been more "unreasonable" because it "wouldn't make you scum". But you were reasonable and actually wanted to work it out instead of getting into two way tunnelfest.

Hope you get what i mean.

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 15 2015 10:52 GMT
#850
On February 15 2015 19:42 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
when I say assume he has no read, I mean that you think his read on me is way weaker than it should be.

But that's also not the main point. The main point is he drops his townread on me which was based on stuff I actually posted and looked really town, based on some random point about whether or not I read OPs. I read OPs just as little when I'm mafia as when I'm town. I'm even inclined to think it's more likely I'd hide behind that as mafia (see how I eventually ended up reading it quite extensively in that pyp game) because it's an easy out.


perhaps, I don't know the history between you and rayn so I am just working off the evidence I see in this game. The case regarding the OP's is terrible though.


Well if the case regarding the OPs is terrible, why do you think rayn dropped me on his mafia -> town scale for it?

So your conclusion is that rayn is just bad and town?
Computer says mafia
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 15 2015 10:53 GMT
#851
yeh I can see where you are coming from a bit better now.

I still don't know if I would qualify that from rayn as having you as "strong" town read, it is possible.it is also possible that HE really believes the case from prplhz against you and if I take it from his perspective then it is believable he can retract a town read on you. I don't really agree with your case palmar sorry
Zerg for Life
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 15 2015 10:53 GMT
#852
the important part here, is I would have no problem with rayn disregarding the OP thing and just deferring to his earlier read. Robik giving me town read for it is very much a robik thing (he loves his tone reads). It's DROPPING the town read that I have a problem with. It's just completely unreasonable.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 15 2015 10:54 GMT
#853
whatever you're probably mafia anyway.
Computer says mafia
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 15 2015 10:55 GMT
#854
On February 15 2015 19:52 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 19:42 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 15 2015 19:40 Palmar wrote:
when I say assume he has no read, I mean that you think his read on me is way weaker than it should be.

But that's also not the main point. The main point is he drops his townread on me which was based on stuff I actually posted and looked really town, based on some random point about whether or not I read OPs. I read OPs just as little when I'm mafia as when I'm town. I'm even inclined to think it's more likely I'd hide behind that as mafia (see how I eventually ended up reading it quite extensively in that pyp game) because it's an easy out.


perhaps, I don't know the history between you and rayn so I am just working off the evidence I see in this game. The case regarding the OP's is terrible though.


Well if the case regarding the OPs is terrible, why do you think rayn dropped me on his mafia -> town scale for it?

So your conclusion is that rayn is just bad and town?


No I think rayn is a good player.
My conclusion is that people have their own metrics for town/scum reading people.
I don't know you that well, I think you have been pretty towny so far and so someone calling you mafia for reading an OP looks stupid to me.
However maybe rayn knows you better / puts more faith in that meta read , so he can believe that case against you.
Zerg for Life
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 15 2015 10:56 GMT
#855
like the best defense of rayn is that there is a guy in the thread (ksc) who made one giant post with the conclusion that 4 different people might possibly be mafia and then has spent the rest of his efforts randomly defending rayn instead of pushing any of his own ideas.
Computer says mafia
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 15 2015 11:00 GMT
#856
On February 15 2015 19:56 Palmar wrote:
like the best defense of rayn is that there is a guy in the thread (ksc) who made one giant post with the conclusion that 4 different people might possibly be mafia and then has spent the rest of his efforts randomly defending rayn instead of pushing any of his own ideas.


well if you read my post more carefully I give my thought on everything that was significant to me and also give my thoughts on people who I think are town. The next thing that happened after my post, was you making your case on rayn, I don't think it is "random" if I want to discuss your case. I'm sorry that I cared about what you posted I guess.

In my post I made a pretty clear case on prplhz and I wanted people to discuss that and we can do so now. Or you can read Superbia more thoroughly and give your case on him.

I would also like FF to respond to my question on specifically, why he thinks your case is good.
Zerg for Life
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
February 15 2015 12:47 GMT
#857
I think palmars case is good because he and rayn play al ot together abd his pointa all add up he didn't fake anything in his case that i saw also fucking palmat is always rightlke come on.i am going to sleep now gg
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 15 2015 13:36 GMT
#858
I'm not saying he lied but I wanted yo to explain what you thought was smart about it
Zerg for Life
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 15 2015 14:24 GMT
#859
I'm back and saw Palmar's case on Rayn which is a okay case but I never played with Mafia!Rayn before so :|. Palmar other than Rayn who you think is Mafia?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 15 2015 14:54 GMT
#860
Why are people so obsessed with whether or not rayn and I have a history or some meta part.

This is not a meta case.
Computer says mafia
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