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On February 15 2015 07:37 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 07:27 Breshke wrote:
The emoticon thing is normal for her. She got called out on it when she was mafia for not using them enough. I don't know if this is more or less than her town emoticons nor do I think it is really worth trying to discern alignment from.
The unnecessary adjective thing sounds good though. Ritoky could you explain to me why this would be scummy. lots of reasons nervous people talk too much scum care too much about how they are perceived and getting the meaning right some times scum read and edit their posts and leave tons of extra crap in there there's lots of raisins, pick some.
lol, one of these days I'll invest in a sarcasm sign xP It's sorely needed. Must say, though, you may actually be town this game ^^ as these arguments are a tier above the ones you tried to use to justify taking a shot at me in carol.
Also, FF, dude, if you can't remember the stupid argument you had with HtS about whether you were posting comfortably or not, don't know how to help you. Alzheimers is real xP
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On February 15 2015 07:45 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 07:42 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 07:37 ritoky wrote:On February 15 2015 07:27 Breshke wrote:
The emoticon thing is normal for her. She got called out on it when she was mafia for not using them enough. I don't know if this is more or less than her town emoticons nor do I think it is really worth trying to discern alignment from.
The unnecessary adjective thing sounds good though. Ritoky could you explain to me why this would be scummy. lots of reasons nervous people talk too much scum care too much about how they are perceived and getting the meaning right some times scum read and edit their posts and leave tons of extra crap in there there's lots of raisins, pick some. lol, one of these days I'll invest in a sarcasm sign xP It's sorely needed. Must say, though, you may actually be town this game ^^ as these arguments are a tier above the ones you tried to use to justify taking a shot at me in carol. Also, FF, dude, if you can't remember the stupid argument you had with HtS about whether you were posting comfortably or not, don't know how to help you. Alzheimers is real xP You said we went back and forth with 'you're uncomfortable' and 'no I'm not' I don't think we did. I think I said something more similar to "I don't care what you think of my posting"
Fair enough.
On February 14 2015 16:15 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 16:12 Half the Sky wrote:On February 14 2015 16:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Am I to keep notes on when and why I make posts before, during and after I make them? I'll have to find a pen.... That is besides the point. You don't seem very comfortable. Ritoky was the first to make such an observation. I agreed upon seeing your latest response to me. But even prior to my observation, the easiest way to refute that would have been to change your behaviour. I don't care what you and ritoky think of my posting, though. I'm not sure how you can gauge my level of comfort through text anyway... You also don't seem very comfortable. You seem like you are trying so hard to act like you're trying to solve a game that's been going on for less than 3 hours...
The crux of my point was the argument was pretty useless on her part. But if we're going to talk semantics xP you did say you didn't care what she thought.
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On February 15 2015 07:50 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:42 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:34 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:28 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:19 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:15 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:08 Fecalfeast wrote:oh, ok. I accidentally closed my catchup post with all my quote tabs and restoring my tabs lost all of it. Shoddily putting it back together...
+ Show Spoiler [quotes and comments] +On February 15 2015 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You literally used the wording "randomized policy lynch".
There is nothing randomized in your lynch suggestion on BH. I dislike how rayn gets so bent out of shape over semantics here. Not productive at all. On February 15 2015 00:17 Half the Sky wrote:Honestly not having played with BH before, I'm going to ignore his RNG-stuff, it is my understanding he does this as both alignments. (If this is wrong, someone correct me.) I personally think it's unproductive and anti-town. What I DO want to focus on is this though: Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 15:49 Blazinghand wrote:On February 14 2015 15:47 Half the Sky wrote:
I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time.
Well, objectively I'm choosing to scumread him because he got RNGed. Do you deny that he got RNGed? It was truly random and gives us a 30% chance to lynch scum, which is way better than any other case so far. The real question here is why aren't you voting VA yet Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Fine, let's say that reason is crap, he still has a 30% chance to flip scum, and RNG has never failed me, even once. Vote him.
Right now, I'm interpreting this as him trying to justify a scumread, and then when I call him on it (particularly since I had the opposite read based on meta at that time) he backtracks and calls it crap. So this to me is scumlike. Thoughts? HtS has trouble reading BH's post where he explicitly admits to forging the read on VA from nothing. Continues to do so for next couple pages. Not sure this is mafia but to keep saying "I re-read twice and BH's filter twice" and not see what everyone else sees is a little strange. Maybe coming from a different viewpoint it really is confusing...  On February 15 2015 00:26 prplhz wrote:
does anybody know what's going on in this thread Is this the first post from this player? If so, yuck. On February 15 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote:
I am down for bluehunting prplhz btw. On February 15 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote:
prplhz, who do you think are the blues? Also, how do you think we should go about identifying blues?
I am 100% serious here, I am going to try to figure out blue roles with you. at first I was like "Palmar read the OP and is trying to bait people who haven't" On February 15 2015 00:45 Palmar wrote:
oh wait, the blues are the mafia? then I was like ".....really?" On February 15 2015 00:49 Palmar wrote:
Like I had this entire thing ready where I was going to talk about how blues were more likely to be agreeable with things without actually pushing them, probably not at the forefront of any pushes and probably not going to be hyper active either and then I was gonna point out how exactly those same attributes apply to mafia and look really smart.
But I think prplhz actually outsmarted me. I must now commit sudoku. now I think he's not lying and that prplhz actually caught him. On February 15 2015 00:31 IAmRobik wrote:
I want to bury HtS, but I don't want to do so incorrectly. I just read what she writes and I'm flabbergasted that she is saying the shit she's saying.
1) As someone brought up, it was the fact that she wasn't getting anywhere with her 20 questions
2) she brings up shit that doesn't make logical sense...like what does me discussing the values of having "conversations" have to do with her playing the aforementioned 20 questions and then not giving thoughts on opinions on the people she's grilling? And what does MY version of playing the game have to do with HER version of playing the game (and why is that supposed to influence how I read her?)
These baffling questions are something I must find an answer to. Agreeing with robik is the first sign of insanity, right? I've gotta see a doctor On February 15 2015 04:07 Town Puppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 16:08 Half the Sky wrote:On February 14 2015 16:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
What is there to comment on? He thinks my posting is unnatural. There's nothing to refute or discuss on that point..
Now I'm slightly annoyed by how seriously you take everything... This is generally how I play town. I've played with you before. And Ritoky might have a point here. You don't seem comfortable here. But even if you aren't comfortable with me, why not interact with the others? OK so this is kind of a bizarre question to me. Two reasons why: (1) It's so... buzzy. What does that question even mean? It sounds like she's just mentioning something off a mental checklist of things to talk about, almost. I'm calling it the checklist test. (2) I felt like FF was "interacting with the others" which makes (1) even stranger. Aww I like this puppy On February 15 2015 04:54 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 04:45 Town Puppy wrote:On February 15 2015 04:22 rsoultin wrote:
Waffling on a player is interesting enough anyway, but when you're not interacting with anyone?
1. HtS is mafia because she claimed miller and they're unaware...maybe?
2. Claiming miller is a town move and you're going to claim miller. (Is this an official claim, or what? And if you're miller and going to claim, then it follows that millers are aware, so what's with the first post?)
3. You don't like this post by HtS because it's "strange."
What's your conclusion, Puppy, or do we have to wait for you to finish discussing it with yourself first? It is interesting to be accused of waffling when I haven't given an opinion on whether HtS is mafia yet. (1) Do you have an issue with this point? (2) Of course it's not. I would be hard-cc'ing and trying to lynch her otherwise. (3) I think I explained why it's strange, non? Care to comment on that instead? I have an issue that you can't seem to make up your mind from post to post...or rather are making post after post without your read going anywhere. ^^ What's the point of that? And lol xP you seem to be really stretching for that evaluation of her post. I find it strange that she accepts another player's judgment on FF's comfort level with the thread and gets into a "you're not comfortable" "yes I am" argument back and forth with FF, not any silliness you were posting about xP please show me this back and forth argument please, I don't remember it.
from my reading I have these reads rayn - scumlean palmar - scumlean LS- town HtS - scum puppydog- townlean/null superbia - scumlean If I missed any quotes let me know I'm pretty tilted about losing my last post Where did the scumlean on superbia come from? You think a scum palmar "gets caught" wanting to hunt for power roles. I think that is a bad read. super has less than a page of filter and spends most of it talking about BH's RNG post when he claimed to have a scumread on rayn. When rayn asks about the scumread, super goes AWOL for 13 hours? scummy. Ok, maybe palmar's not that bad, it still seems scummy to me. Almost like a cocky "you caught me but who cares?" So you think superbias scumread of rayn was serious? I think it was pointless. If he was joking, why would he say: On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? and then On February 14 2015 18:55 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? No i don't i am obviously just talking shit.... What? It was all a joke or some shit? if he was joking around ? I don't think you can really compare ayns HTS thing to superbias rayn thing. Rayn had given reasons and what not to why he thought HTS was scum so for him to back flip and say it was a joke would be weird. I think it is totally possible superbias can make a joke read while call bullshit when he thinks someone else made a joke read Rayn addresses superbia: On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. to which super replies On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? They are literally talking about super's scumread how can I not use this as an example of super's read being serious? Im dumb i should really read nested quotes. So superbias scum read on rayn was because he was scum reading HtS. Okay maybe it wasn't a joke. @Rsoul do you have any reads or are you just going to throw scum on everyone?
Lol, of course I have reads xP Even some townreads. Actually reading people's posts does wonders.
Do you have any scumreads, or are you just going to be defending everyone all day? (HtS, Eden, LS, Superbia, half-and-half me, etc. etc.)
That bolded phrase is probably the most common sentiment used to scumread me in all my town games, btw ^^
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On February 15 2015 08:05 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 07:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 07:50 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:42 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:34 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:28 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:19 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:15 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:08 Fecalfeast wrote:oh, ok. I accidentally closed my catchup post with all my quote tabs and restoring my tabs lost all of it. Shoddily putting it back together...
+ Show Spoiler [quotes and comments] +On February 15 2015 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You literally used the wording "randomized policy lynch".
There is nothing randomized in your lynch suggestion on BH. I dislike how rayn gets so bent out of shape over semantics here. Not productive at all. On February 15 2015 00:17 Half the Sky wrote:Honestly not having played with BH before, I'm going to ignore his RNG-stuff, it is my understanding he does this as both alignments. (If this is wrong, someone correct me.) I personally think it's unproductive and anti-town. What I DO want to focus on is this though: Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 15:49 Blazinghand wrote:On February 14 2015 15:47 Half the Sky wrote:
I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time.
Well, objectively I'm choosing to scumread him because he got RNGed. Do you deny that he got RNGed? It was truly random and gives us a 30% chance to lynch scum, which is way better than any other case so far. The real question here is why aren't you voting VA yet Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 15:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Fine, let's say that reason is crap, he still has a 30% chance to flip scum, and RNG has never failed me, even once. Vote him.
Right now, I'm interpreting this as him trying to justify a scumread, and then when I call him on it (particularly since I had the opposite read based on meta at that time) he backtracks and calls it crap. So this to me is scumlike. Thoughts? HtS has trouble reading BH's post where he explicitly admits to forging the read on VA from nothing. Continues to do so for next couple pages. Not sure this is mafia but to keep saying "I re-read twice and BH's filter twice" and not see what everyone else sees is a little strange. Maybe coming from a different viewpoint it really is confusing... On February 15 2015 00:26 prplhz wrote:
does anybody know what's going on in this thread Is this the first post from this player? If so, yuck. On February 15 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote:
I am down for bluehunting prplhz btw. On February 15 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote:
prplhz, who do you think are the blues? Also, how do you think we should go about identifying blues?
I am 100% serious here, I am going to try to figure out blue roles with you. at first I was like "Palmar read the OP and is trying to bait people who haven't" On February 15 2015 00:45 Palmar wrote:
oh wait, the blues are the mafia? then I was like ".....really?" On February 15 2015 00:49 Palmar wrote:
Like I had this entire thing ready where I was going to talk about how blues were more likely to be agreeable with things without actually pushing them, probably not at the forefront of any pushes and probably not going to be hyper active either and then I was gonna point out how exactly those same attributes apply to mafia and look really smart.
But I think prplhz actually outsmarted me. I must now commit sudoku. now I think he's not lying and that prplhz actually caught him. On February 15 2015 00:31 IAmRobik wrote:
I want to bury HtS, but I don't want to do so incorrectly. I just read what she writes and I'm flabbergasted that she is saying the shit she's saying.
1) As someone brought up, it was the fact that she wasn't getting anywhere with her 20 questions
2) she brings up shit that doesn't make logical sense...like what does me discussing the values of having "conversations" have to do with her playing the aforementioned 20 questions and then not giving thoughts on opinions on the people she's grilling? And what does MY version of playing the game have to do with HER version of playing the game (and why is that supposed to influence how I read her?)
These baffling questions are something I must find an answer to. Agreeing with robik is the first sign of insanity, right? I've gotta see a doctor On February 15 2015 04:07 Town Puppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 16:08 Half the Sky wrote:On February 14 2015 16:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
What is there to comment on? He thinks my posting is unnatural. There's nothing to refute or discuss on that point..
Now I'm slightly annoyed by how seriously you take everything... This is generally how I play town. I've played with you before. And Ritoky might have a point here. You don't seem comfortable here. But even if you aren't comfortable with me, why not interact with the others? OK so this is kind of a bizarre question to me. Two reasons why: (1) It's so... buzzy. What does that question even mean? It sounds like she's just mentioning something off a mental checklist of things to talk about, almost. I'm calling it the checklist test. (2) I felt like FF was "interacting with the others" which makes (1) even stranger. Aww I like this puppy On February 15 2015 04:54 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 04:45 Town Puppy wrote:On February 15 2015 04:22 rsoultin wrote:
Waffling on a player is interesting enough anyway, but when you're not interacting with anyone?
1. HtS is mafia because she claimed miller and they're unaware...maybe?
2. Claiming miller is a town move and you're going to claim miller. (Is this an official claim, or what? And if you're miller and going to claim, then it follows that millers are aware, so what's with the first post?)
3. You don't like this post by HtS because it's "strange."
What's your conclusion, Puppy, or do we have to wait for you to finish discussing it with yourself first? It is interesting to be accused of waffling when I haven't given an opinion on whether HtS is mafia yet. (1) Do you have an issue with this point? (2) Of course it's not. I would be hard-cc'ing and trying to lynch her otherwise. (3) I think I explained why it's strange, non? Care to comment on that instead? I have an issue that you can't seem to make up your mind from post to post...or rather are making post after post without your read going anywhere. ^^ What's the point of that? And lol xP you seem to be really stretching for that evaluation of her post. I find it strange that she accepts another player's judgment on FF's comfort level with the thread and gets into a "you're not comfortable" "yes I am" argument back and forth with FF, not any silliness you were posting about xP please show me this back and forth argument please, I don't remember it.
from my reading I have these reads rayn - scumlean palmar - scumlean LS- town HtS - scum puppydog- townlean/null superbia - scumlean If I missed any quotes let me know I'm pretty tilted about losing my last post Where did the scumlean on superbia come from? You think a scum palmar "gets caught" wanting to hunt for power roles. I think that is a bad read. super has less than a page of filter and spends most of it talking about BH's RNG post when he claimed to have a scumread on rayn. When rayn asks about the scumread, super goes AWOL for 13 hours? scummy. Ok, maybe palmar's not that bad, it still seems scummy to me. Almost like a cocky "you caught me but who cares?" So you think superbias scumread of rayn was serious? I think it was pointless. If he was joking, why would he say: On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? and then On February 14 2015 18:55 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? No i don't i am obviously just talking shit.... What? It was all a joke or some shit? if he was joking around ? I don't think you can really compare ayns HTS thing to superbias rayn thing. Rayn had given reasons and what not to why he thought HTS was scum so for him to back flip and say it was a joke would be weird. I think it is totally possible superbias can make a joke read while call bullshit when he thinks someone else made a joke read Rayn addresses superbia: On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. to which super replies On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? They are literally talking about super's scumread how can I not use this as an example of super's read being serious? Im dumb i should really read nested quotes. So superbias scum read on rayn was because he was scum reading HtS. Okay maybe it wasn't a joke. @Rsoul do you have any reads or are you just going to throw scum on everyone? Lol, of course I have reads xP Even some townreads. Actually reading people's posts does wonders. Do you have any scumreads, or are you just going to be defending everyone all day? (HtS, Eden, LS, Superbia, half-and-half me, etc. etc.) That bolded phrase is probably the most common sentiment used to scumread me in all my town games, btw ^^ oooooo that dig hahaha. I read peoples posts I just dont click the button to read everything I struggle to get scumreads D1 town reads are much easier. I think that FF's stuff on superbia is actually really good now. I also think you are fairly scummy because you are posting but you arnt saying anything Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 00:37 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 15 2015 00:28 rsoultin wrote:
Speaking of...any opinions on the Breshke entrance? Anyone can answer this. town I dunnae. Coming into the thread to tell people where to vote is kinda blah imo :/ Take this for example. Is blah town or scummy, why is trying to clarify where people vote alignment indicative. Your reads would be nice thanks
Coming in to tell someone where to post and joke about them being modkilled is blah, which translates to at best null. It's just an entrance post, of course...but that you've managed to develop no clear scumreads since start of day has me leaning scum on you. Note the context of the post: I was contesting Rayn's townread on you.
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On February 15 2015 10:14 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 08:09 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 08:05 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 07:50 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:42 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:34 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:28 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
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super has less than a page of filter and spends most of it talking about BH's RNG post when he claimed to have a scumread on rayn. When rayn asks about the scumread, super goes AWOL for 13 hours? scummy.
Ok, maybe palmar's not that bad, it still seems scummy to me. Almost like a cocky "you caught me but who cares?" So you think superbias scumread of rayn was serious? I think it was pointless. If he was joking, why would he say: On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? and then On February 14 2015 18:55 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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No i don't i am obviously just talking shit.... What? It was all a joke or some shit? if he was joking around ? I don't think you can really compare ayns HTS thing to superbias rayn thing. Rayn had given reasons and what not to why he thought HTS was scum so for him to back flip and say it was a joke would be weird. I think it is totally possible superbias can make a joke read while call bullshit when he thinks someone else made a joke read Rayn addresses superbia: On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. to which super replies On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? They are literally talking about super's scumread how can I not use this as an example of super's read being serious? Im dumb i should really read nested quotes. So superbias scum read on rayn was because he was scum reading HtS. Okay maybe it wasn't a joke. @Rsoul do you have any reads or are you just going to throw scum on everyone? Lol, of course I have reads xP Even some townreads. Actually reading people's posts does wonders. Do you have any scumreads, or are you just going to be defending everyone all day? (HtS, Eden, LS, Superbia, half-and-half me, etc. etc.) That bolded phrase is probably the most common sentiment used to scumread me in all my town games, btw ^^ oooooo that dig hahaha. I read peoples posts I just dont click the button to read everything I struggle to get scumreads D1 town reads are much easier. I think that FF's stuff on superbia is actually really good now. I also think you are fairly scummy because you are posting but you arnt saying anything On February 15 2015 00:37 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 15 2015 00:28 rsoultin wrote:
Speaking of...any opinions on the Breshke entrance? Anyone can answer this. town I dunnae. Coming into the thread to tell people where to vote is kinda blah imo :/ Take this for example. Is blah town or scummy, why is trying to clarify where people vote alignment indicative. Your reads would be nice thanks Coming in to tell someone where to post and joke about them being modkilled is blah, which translates to at best null. It's just an entrance post, of course...but that you've managed to develop no clear scumreads since start of day has me leaning scum on you. Note the context of the post: I was contesting Rayn's townread on you. I'm not going to force a scum read when i don't have any. You have played with me before i don't see how you think its weird i didn't have any clear scum reads. Yes you were contesting rayn's read but you brought it up so either you were just doing that to post words or you thought there was something alignment indicative about it. Yet you came to the conclusion of blah which you say means null so why did you feel it was necessary to bring up?
Null at best. Learn to read xP So are you saying you still have no scumreads?
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BH, how does sheeping being a skill translate to sheeping you being a skill?
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On February 15 2015 10:20 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 10:17 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 10:14 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 08:09 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 08:05 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 07:50 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:42 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
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I think it was pointless. If he was joking, why would he say:
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if he was joking around ? I don't think you can really compare ayns HTS thing to superbias rayn thing. Rayn had given reasons and what not to why he thought HTS was scum so for him to back flip and say it was a joke would be weird. I think it is totally possible superbias can make a joke read while call bullshit when he thinks someone else made a joke read Rayn addresses superbia: On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. to which super replies On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? They are literally talking about super's scumread how can I not use this as an example of super's read being serious? Im dumb i should really read nested quotes. So superbias scum read on rayn was because he was scum reading HtS. Okay maybe it wasn't a joke. @Rsoul do you have any reads or are you just going to throw scum on everyone? Lol, of course I have reads xP Even some townreads. Actually reading people's posts does wonders. Do you have any scumreads, or are you just going to be defending everyone all day? (HtS, Eden, LS, Superbia, half-and-half me, etc. etc.) That bolded phrase is probably the most common sentiment used to scumread me in all my town games, btw ^^ oooooo that dig hahaha. I read peoples posts I just dont click the button to read everything I struggle to get scumreads D1 town reads are much easier. I think that FF's stuff on superbia is actually really good now. I also think you are fairly scummy because you are posting but you arnt saying anything On February 15 2015 00:37 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 15 2015 00:28 rsoultin wrote:
Speaking of...any opinions on the Breshke entrance? Anyone can answer this. town I dunnae. Coming into the thread to tell people where to vote is kinda blah imo :/ Take this for example. Is blah town or scummy, why is trying to clarify where people vote alignment indicative. Your reads would be nice thanks Coming in to tell someone where to post and joke about them being modkilled is blah, which translates to at best null. It's just an entrance post, of course...but that you've managed to develop no clear scumreads since start of day has me leaning scum on you. Note the context of the post: I was contesting Rayn's townread on you. I'm not going to force a scum read when i don't have any. You have played with me before i don't see how you think its weird i didn't have any clear scum reads. Yes you were contesting rayn's read but you brought it up so either you were just doing that to post words or you thought there was something alignment indicative about it. Yet you came to the conclusion of blah which you say means null so why did you feel it was necessary to bring up? Null at best. Learn to read xP So are you saying you still have no scumreads? How bout you stop dodging the question and actually give your reads.
What, do you want a list post or something? I've already clearly expressed suspicions about you, HtS and Puppy while saying ritoky is probably town.
Not exactly rocket science.
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On February 15 2015 09:46 Town Puppy wrote:Also liancourt is town. Not that I'm RNG lynching or anything + Show Spoiler + but the RNG lynch is looking steadily better with so many people getting themselves out of the "possibly mafia" pool.
Why are so many of your posts focusing on the percent chance VA is mafia and praising BH, yet you're voting for KSC?
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On February 15 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 10:28 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 09:46 Town Puppy wrote:Also liancourt is town. Not that I'm RNG lynching or anything + Show Spoiler + but the RNG lynch is looking steadily better with so many people getting themselves out of the "possibly mafia" pool. Why are so many of your posts focusing on the percent chance VA is mafia and praising BH, yet you're voting for KSC? Bogus charge, my most substantial post of the game by far is my case on KelsierSC. My filter isn't even long, not sure why you're having trouble reading it this game. 
Hardly a bogus charge. You've posted several posts now townreading people, saying that BH's RNG is getting better and better...including directly after that large KSC post. It seems really disconnected to me, even for you xP Also, KSC isn't making my town list, but your arguments for scumreading him were pretty weak when compared to his filter.
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On February 15 2015 11:12 Town Puppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 10:59 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:On February 15 2015 10:28 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 09:46 Town Puppy wrote:Also liancourt is town. Not that I'm RNG lynching or anything + Show Spoiler + but the RNG lynch is looking steadily better with so many people getting themselves out of the "possibly mafia" pool. Why are so many of your posts focusing on the percent chance VA is mafia and praising BH, yet you're voting for KSC? Bogus charge, my most substantial post of the game by far is my case on KelsierSC. My filter isn't even long, not sure why you're having trouble reading it this game. Hardly a bogus charge. You've posted several posts now townreading people, saying that BH's RNG is getting better and better...including directly after that large KSC post. It seems really disconnected to me, even for you xP Also, KSC isn't making my town list, but your arguments for scumreading him were pretty weak when compared to his filter. I think my case against Kelsier is great. If you're gonna call my reasons "weak compared to his filter" then you better be prepared to say why. And I keep commenting on BH's RNG lynch because I don't have a good reason yet to think anything of Vayne. I haven't seen anything to make me think he's town or mafia. There's a pretty real chance that Vayne gets lynched today, so I have to decide for myself if I'm okay with this happening or not. In absence of Vayne being clearly town, figuring out a bunch of townies that aren't Vayne makes me feel better about him getting lynched, because for every person who steps up and shows themselves to be town, that's one more incremental step toward Vayne being mafia by POE. Also, where did I praise BH? I saw you said that in your earlier post as I typed this one. I wouldn't say I've done that.
RNGesus?
I don't see anything particularly alignment-indicative in KSC's filter. It's short. It's Valentine's Day.
What makes KSC scum about thinking that VA may be rolling over to deny town information if he's mafia?
The lian read was kinda weird, imo, as a "too scummy to be scum" sorta deal, cause not sure how that translates to top town, but that wasn't part of your case.
And I don't understand your HtS point at all? Is the argument that she's the only one who has claimed? If KSC isn't reading her as "top town" then why does it matter if he thinks she shouldn't be townreading him yet?
The case is just inconclusive.
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On February 15 2015 11:34 LightningStrike wrote:rsoultin what you think of Eden? Also I starting to like ritoky this game 
Not sure, honestly. He does bounce around a lot as town :/ as someone pointed out earlier, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time he built up a weak case on bad logic.
What's your read on HtS and Rayn, LS?
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On February 15 2015 11:47 Town Puppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 11:24 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 11:12 Town Puppy wrote:On February 15 2015 10:59 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:On February 15 2015 10:28 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 09:46 Town Puppy wrote:Also liancourt is town. Not that I'm RNG lynching or anything + Show Spoiler + but the RNG lynch is looking steadily better with so many people getting themselves out of the "possibly mafia" pool. Why are so many of your posts focusing on the percent chance VA is mafia and praising BH, yet you're voting for KSC? Bogus charge, my most substantial post of the game by far is my case on KelsierSC. My filter isn't even long, not sure why you're having trouble reading it this game. Hardly a bogus charge. You've posted several posts now townreading people, saying that BH's RNG is getting better and better...including directly after that large KSC post. It seems really disconnected to me, even for you xP Also, KSC isn't making my town list, but your arguments for scumreading him were pretty weak when compared to his filter. I think my case against Kelsier is great. If you're gonna call my reasons "weak compared to his filter" then you better be prepared to say why. And I keep commenting on BH's RNG lynch because I don't have a good reason yet to think anything of Vayne. I haven't seen anything to make me think he's town or mafia. There's a pretty real chance that Vayne gets lynched today, so I have to decide for myself if I'm okay with this happening or not. In absence of Vayne being clearly town, figuring out a bunch of townies that aren't Vayne makes me feel better about him getting lynched, because for every person who steps up and shows themselves to be town, that's one more incremental step toward Vayne being mafia by POE. Also, where did I praise BH? I saw you said that in your earlier post as I typed this one. I wouldn't say I've done that. RNGesus? I don't see anything particularly alignment-indicative in KSC's filter. It's short. It's Valentine's Day. What makes KSC scum about thinking that VA may be rolling over to deny town information if he's mafia? The lian read was kinda weird, imo, as a "too scummy to be scum" sorta deal, cause not sure how that translates to top town, but that wasn't part of your case. And I don't understand your HtS point at all? Is the argument that she's the only one who has claimed? If KSC isn't reading her as "top town" then why does it matter if he thinks she shouldn't be townreading him yet? The case is just inconclusive. Not praise. It is suspicious that KSC concluded VA decided to roll over as scum and deny information because: (1) Vayne hasn't rolled over (2) Vayne being lynched is far from a certainty (3) Vayne hasn't actually done anything alignment-indicative, and Kelsier's description of his activity is a description of a null player, but then Kelsier decides Vayne is mafia anyway The lian read being weird was part of my case, thanks for adding to it by taking another angle on it. I really don't see how my case is inconclusive.
You don't see anything wrong with HTS claiming miller and saying she's doing it because of marv last game, when you explicitly know the circumstances of that claim since you instigated it, and there is absolutely no parallel between that and this game?
Lol, my BS meter, Eden xP
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On February 15 2015 11:49 Town Puppy wrote:
Also if you don't like my case come up with something better plz. Slightly annoying to have people dumping on it by calling it bad logic but then not pushing anything better. s/o to rso
I'd be voting HtS right now if Rayn wasn't bugging me -shrugs-
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On February 15 2015 12:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 11:44 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 11:34 LightningStrike wrote:rsoultin what you think of Eden? Also I starting to like ritoky this game Not sure, honestly. He does bounce around a lot as town :/ as someone pointed out earlier, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time he built up a weak case on bad logic. What's your read on HtS and Rayn, LS? HTS Null She doesn't seem like herself this game :| Rayn most likely town he and I got the same scum read on superbia and his posting seems like his normal town meta for now.
I need to look at Superbia again. He's made such a low impact on me :/ Rayn did an interesting flip-flop on Palmar based on prplhz's post that just didn't sit well with me. Prplhz's argument about Palmar suddenly reading the OP was a good point, but he then went on to reiterate the same thing 2-3 more times in the same post that just left a bad taste in my mouth.
When Rayn quoted that post from prplhz, he left the awkward follow-up paragraph out. That and townreading Bresh for that entrance have me reluctant to vote with him right now.
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On February 15 2015 13:04 Town Puppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 12:45 prplhz wrote:
can anybody explain this hts miller business to me because i don't understand it at all She claimed miller right off the bat. I think it makes her pretty clearly town due to this chain of logic: (1) Hosts don't typically run multiple millers in a game. Therefore, claiming miller is in effect claiming something like named VT. (2) If there is a miller in the game, and HTS is not the miller, then HTS will almost certainly be lynched as mafia (possibly d1, if not then d2). (3) Thus, HTS's only hope in fakeclaiming miller is that there isn't a miller in the game to cc her, because if there is she basically just gave herself up. (4) HTS is traditionally not a high-risk player (in my estimation), which makes her an unlikely candidate to have attempted such a high-risk strategy as mafia. (5) Thus, it is likely that HTS's claim is genuine. (6) HTS is town. I think the only thing in that chain that can plausibly be falsified is (4) - maybe she's a higher-risk player than I'm aware. No one has attempted to do so, though. 1-3 is ironclad and 5-6 follow from 1-3 + 4, so unless someone can demonstrate that HTS is reasonably likely to have attempted a high-risk play like this, there's really no reason not to take her claim at face value and go from there. What's bothering me most is that there are multiple people in the thread - rso and LS are the ones who come to mind, but they aren't alone - who more or less accept this reasoning (because they just played another game where this scenario occurred), and who aren't contesting (4), but still are finding reasons not to townread HTS. (There's other people, like rayn, who scumread her as well, but I'm less inclined to be worried about that because his reasoning had nothing to do with this logic at all, and I'm reasonably certain he hasn't seen this argument before. rso and LS have.)
I find it null, and I don't like most of the rest of her play, Eden.
1. I've seen hosts run more than one miller, and this is a 17p game. Debunked.
2. Debunked because of 1. Also, there being the potential of more than one miller makes the play less risky.
3. Debunked because of 1 and 2.
4. Debunked because of 2 (I'm not sure if she takes risks much as scum, having only seen her scum game once.)
5. Not a point if the first 4 aren't valid.
6. See 5.
You are not seeing the difference between a 17 player game were HtS claimed miller instantly and there could legitimately be more than one miller in the game, vice a 13 player game where marv was townread for CCing a miller claim which genuinely did run a high chance of seeing him lynched if he was scum fake-claiming.
That neither you nor HtS understand this is frankly mind-boggling to me >< and why I think you're full of it.
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On February 15 2015 13:36 Half the Sky wrote:Looking into some of Rayn's quotes after he questioned me on my reads, there are a few quotes of his that have me scumreading Rayn. I have never played with him so I am disregarding meta. Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 15 2015 00:35 Palmar wrote:
Why is robik mad at LS for being LS? idk. doesn't make it any better considering the fact LS is town. How does he know for a "fact that LS is town"? If he's town, he wouldn't know this for a fact. Next quote: Possible buddying of Palmar? I don't understand as a veteran why he cannot figure out some of these players (other veterans) himself. I have heard in QTs he's a good player (correct me if I'm wrong on this) Now I know BH has been around, I don't know who he means by Robert, and it would appear prplhz has also been around TL a bit. It seems like it could be a way to use an incorrect Palmar read for a potential mafia agenda. Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like what i basically want to do Palmar, is to figure out blazinghand, robert, and wirh your help prplhz. If we can fiure out those players alignments on D1 the game becomes really OP for the town. I also read further on the post that Rasputin mentioned on the flip-flop. I don't understand why he'd ask Palmar for help on reading someone and then through a single post, he not only is confident enough to agree with someone he previously might have needed help reading but then retracts someone he was willing to work with. Additionally I got a very bad vibe from this as well: Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Half the Sky i am really puzzled about the fact we have an argument going on and instead of arguing with me you decide to comment on other ppl's posts. And this is not even the first time you have done so. Like he's trying to push me when I'd already answered his questions. Looking at the timestamps there were 12 minutes in between I answered his last question and when he said that, so it's not like he missed my questions. It seems like he's trying to reach to call me scum based on this.
Huh, the quote on getting palmar to help with the other 3 players...that is a very good point, HtS. As for the semantics argument...I pretty much null-read that. People don't understand my sarcasm sometimes xP case and point: ritoky
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On February 15 2015 13:47 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 13:36 Half the Sky wrote:Looking into some of Rayn's quotes after he questioned me on my reads, there are a few quotes of his that have me scumreading Rayn. I have never played with him so I am disregarding meta. On February 15 2015 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 15 2015 00:35 Palmar wrote:
Why is robik mad at LS for being LS? idk. doesn't make it any better considering the fact LS is town. How does he know for a "fact that LS is town"? If he's town, he wouldn't know this for a fact. Next quote: Possible buddying of Palmar? I don't understand as a veteran why he cannot figure out some of these players (other veterans) himself. I have heard in QTs he's a good player (correct me if I'm wrong on this) Now I know BH has been around, I don't know who he means by Robert, and it would appear prplhz has also been around TL a bit. It seems like it could be a way to use an incorrect Palmar read for a potential mafia agenda. On February 14 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like what i basically want to do Palmar, is to figure out blazinghand, robert, and wirh your help prplhz. If we can fiure out those players alignments on D1 the game becomes really OP for the town. I also read further on the post that Rasputin mentioned on the flip-flop. I don't understand why he'd ask Palmar for help on reading someone and then through a single post, he not only is confident enough to agree with someone he previously might have needed help reading but then retracts someone he was willing to work with. Additionally I got a very bad vibe from this as well: On February 15 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Half the Sky i am really puzzled about the fact we have an argument going on and instead of arguing with me you decide to comment on other ppl's posts. And this is not even the first time you have done so. Like he's trying to push me when I'd already answered his questions. Looking at the timestamps there were 12 minutes in between I answered his last question and when he said that, so it's not like he missed my questions. It seems like he's trying to reach to call me scum based on this. Huh, the quote on getting palmar to help with the other 3 players...that is a very good point, HtS. As for the semantics argument...I pretty much null-read that. People don't understand my sarcasm sometimes xP case and point: ritoky
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Also don't see the initial townread in Rayn's filter to somehow justify his calling LS town so definitively when he's responding about Robik.
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On February 15 2015 13:50 Town Puppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 13:29 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 13:04 Town Puppy wrote:On February 15 2015 12:45 prplhz wrote:
can anybody explain this hts miller business to me because i don't understand it at all She claimed miller right off the bat. I think it makes her pretty clearly town due to this chain of logic: (1) Hosts don't typically run multiple millers in a game. Therefore, claiming miller is in effect claiming something like named VT. (2) If there is a miller in the game, and HTS is not the miller, then HTS will almost certainly be lynched as mafia (possibly d1, if not then d2). (3) Thus, HTS's only hope in fakeclaiming miller is that there isn't a miller in the game to cc her, because if there is she basically just gave herself up. (4) HTS is traditionally not a high-risk player (in my estimation), which makes her an unlikely candidate to have attempted such a high-risk strategy as mafia. (5) Thus, it is likely that HTS's claim is genuine. (6) HTS is town. I think the only thing in that chain that can plausibly be falsified is (4) - maybe she's a higher-risk player than I'm aware. No one has attempted to do so, though. 1-3 is ironclad and 5-6 follow from 1-3 + 4, so unless someone can demonstrate that HTS is reasonably likely to have attempted a high-risk play like this, there's really no reason not to take her claim at face value and go from there. What's bothering me most is that there are multiple people in the thread - rso and LS are the ones who come to mind, but they aren't alone - who more or less accept this reasoning (because they just played another game where this scenario occurred), and who aren't contesting (4), but still are finding reasons not to townread HTS. (There's other people, like rayn, who scumread her as well, but I'm less inclined to be worried about that because his reasoning had nothing to do with this logic at all, and I'm reasonably certain he hasn't seen this argument before. rso and LS have.) I find it null, and I don't like most of the rest of her play, Eden. 1. I've seen hosts run more than one miller, and this is a 17p game. Debunked. 2. Debunked because of 1. Also, there being the potential of more than one miller makes the play less risky. 3. Debunked because of 1 and 2. 4. Debunked because of 2 (I'm not sure if she takes risks much as scum, having only seen her scum game once.) 5. Not a point if the first 4 aren't valid. 6. See 5. You are not seeing the difference between a 17 player game were HtS claimed miller instantly and there could legitimately be more than one miller in the game, vice a 13 player game where marv was townread for CCing a miller claim which genuinely did run a high chance of seeing him lynched if he was scum fake-claiming. That neither you nor HtS understand this is frankly mind-boggling to me >< and why I think you're full of it. "I've seen it before" doesn't debunk "Hosts typically don't do this." I didn't say hosts never do this. I did say that hosts tend not to do this. Multiple millers in a game is pretty significant cop hate. There's no compelling reason why they can't do this, I just know in my experience that they don't. It just doesn't happen. And where did you see this happen, anyway? I'm not familiar with any games recently that did this, and you didn't raise an example of it when it came up in Horn of Africa (although I guess it didn't matter, given the different context). I also don't think the size of the game makes a big difference, 2+ millers is just awkward and atypical in most games. The part about cc'ing a claim is a pretty good one, maybe I should have been more serious about attempting to cc in the first place. Oops. The boldface part bothers me. If you explained this before, why not just quote it to me so I see it, since I obviously missed it before? If you didn't, why did I have to drag this explanation out of you? In either case, why are you reading so uncharitably into my argument when no one before you had explicitly argued this point with me? I admit though, the point about not cc'ing is a pretty good one, and after I saw the un-cc'd miller play I stopped reading her posts carefully enough to see if I felt her questions were what I expect from her town game. So if she's not auto-town due to miller claim I'm not really sure what she is. Sigh. Can we kill Kelsier now?
I'm reading it "uncharitably" because it is the premise you're using to argue that KSC is scum, and because HtS' excuse for claiming miller (marv did it so it must be the ideal play) is inherently false if you were in the game, and you were xP There were multiple millers in Carol, which was a little bigger than this, but not by much.
Giving someone a hard townread for a miller claim just does not make sense. Even marv's claim, which was objectively way more townie, you questioned, so yeah, of course it seems like BS to me when you're accepting hers on faith -_-
The VA thing with KSC just doesn't read as alignment-indicative to me. I'd be just as happy to vote VA with BH as KSC with you; that's how little impact it makes.
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On February 15 2015 14:01 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 13:56 rsoultin wrote:
Also don't see the initial townread in Rayn's filter to somehow justify his calling LS town so definitively when he's responding about Robik.
From what I recall from digging his filter, he quoted LS on BH/Palmar IIRC and said "townie pass" but the former statement was still too definitive in my eyes.
Oh, I missed that.
On February 14 2015 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 23:19 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and saw the RNG lynch plan by BH involving VA and saw Palmar been talking with Palmar about HTS's Miller claim. I also not liking Superbia but it might be paranoia because the last I played with him it was my very first game on TL and he was Mafia and I called him out for his opening being really scummy and I feeling the same way this game. Hmmmmm. I have the exact same feeling. You can have a townie pass sir.
In that case, I don't find the comment on Robik being mad at LS that strange, honestly ^^
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On February 15 2015 14:13 Town Puppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 14:02 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 13:50 Town Puppy wrote:On February 15 2015 13:29 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 13:04 Town Puppy wrote:On February 15 2015 12:45 prplhz wrote:
can anybody explain this hts miller business to me because i don't understand it at all She claimed miller right off the bat. I think it makes her pretty clearly town due to this chain of logic: (1) Hosts don't typically run multiple millers in a game. Therefore, claiming miller is in effect claiming something like named VT. (2) If there is a miller in the game, and HTS is not the miller, then HTS will almost certainly be lynched as mafia (possibly d1, if not then d2). (3) Thus, HTS's only hope in fakeclaiming miller is that there isn't a miller in the game to cc her, because if there is she basically just gave herself up. (4) HTS is traditionally not a high-risk player (in my estimation), which makes her an unlikely candidate to have attempted such a high-risk strategy as mafia. (5) Thus, it is likely that HTS's claim is genuine. (6) HTS is town. I think the only thing in that chain that can plausibly be falsified is (4) - maybe she's a higher-risk player than I'm aware. No one has attempted to do so, though. 1-3 is ironclad and 5-6 follow from 1-3 + 4, so unless someone can demonstrate that HTS is reasonably likely to have attempted a high-risk play like this, there's really no reason not to take her claim at face value and go from there. What's bothering me most is that there are multiple people in the thread - rso and LS are the ones who come to mind, but they aren't alone - who more or less accept this reasoning (because they just played another game where this scenario occurred), and who aren't contesting (4), but still are finding reasons not to townread HTS. (There's other people, like rayn, who scumread her as well, but I'm less inclined to be worried about that because his reasoning had nothing to do with this logic at all, and I'm reasonably certain he hasn't seen this argument before. rso and LS have.) I find it null, and I don't like most of the rest of her play, Eden. 1. I've seen hosts run more than one miller, and this is a 17p game. Debunked. 2. Debunked because of 1. Also, there being the potential of more than one miller makes the play less risky. 3. Debunked because of 1 and 2. 4. Debunked because of 2 (I'm not sure if she takes risks much as scum, having only seen her scum game once.) 5. Not a point if the first 4 aren't valid. 6. See 5. You are not seeing the difference between a 17 player game were HtS claimed miller instantly and there could legitimately be more than one miller in the game, vice a 13 player game where marv was townread for CCing a miller claim which genuinely did run a high chance of seeing him lynched if he was scum fake-claiming. That neither you nor HtS understand this is frankly mind-boggling to me >< and why I think you're full of it. "I've seen it before" doesn't debunk "Hosts typically don't do this." I didn't say hosts never do this. I did say that hosts tend not to do this. Multiple millers in a game is pretty significant cop hate. There's no compelling reason why they can't do this, I just know in my experience that they don't. It just doesn't happen. And where did you see this happen, anyway? I'm not familiar with any games recently that did this, and you didn't raise an example of it when it came up in Horn of Africa (although I guess it didn't matter, given the different context). I also don't think the size of the game makes a big difference, 2+ millers is just awkward and atypical in most games. The part about cc'ing a claim is a pretty good one, maybe I should have been more serious about attempting to cc in the first place. Oops. The boldface part bothers me. If you explained this before, why not just quote it to me so I see it, since I obviously missed it before? If you didn't, why did I have to drag this explanation out of you? In either case, why are you reading so uncharitably into my argument when no one before you had explicitly argued this point with me? I admit though, the point about not cc'ing is a pretty good one, and after I saw the un-cc'd miller play I stopped reading her posts carefully enough to see if I felt her questions were what I expect from her town game. So if she's not auto-town due to miller claim I'm not really sure what she is. Sigh. Can we kill Kelsier now? I'm reading it "uncharitably" because it is the premise you're using to argue that KSC is scum, and because HtS' excuse for claiming miller (marv did it so it must be the ideal play) is inherently false if you were in the game, and you were xP There were multiple millers in Carol, which was a little bigger than this, but not by much. Giving someone a hard townread for a miller claim just does not make sense. Even marv's claim, which was objectively way more townie, you questioned, so yeah, of course it seems like BS to me when you're accepting hers on faith -_- The VA thing with KSC just doesn't read as alignment-indicative to me. I'd be just as happy to vote VA with BH as KSC with you; that's how little impact it makes. No, it's not the premise. It's one premise of three (the other two being his pretty sketchy read on Vayne and his relative absence / lack of involvement in the discussion relative to previous games I've seen him play as town). "inherently false"? Yes, I am being less paranoid about role claims after Horn of Africa, for the obvious reason that marv was clearly town and I spent a shitload of time tilting at windmills that game because I didn't accept pretty clear logic for him being innocent. And uhh... Show nested quote +I'd be just as happy to vote VA with BH as KSC with you; that's how little impact it makes. Huh? If you're saying my case is so bad that I'm as likely to be right as the guy you're scumreading picking a random player, I don't see THAT at all. Are you going to explain how someone describing behavior that's not alignment-indicative as "scummy" (and apparently the most suspicious thing in the game, given the vote) "just doesn't read as alignment-indicative" to you? And do you even think BH is mafia?
Have you read this thread at all, Town Puppy? xP Or my filter, for that matter? My point when I voted him was he was just as good a lynch (30% chance) as his RNGd lynch. I wanted to gauge reactions and didn't take my vote off him until he returned to the thread.
Let me give you a hint: I unvoted BH awhile ago. He's solidly in my null category.
Inherently false: marv CC'd a miller claim as the miller does not translate to all millers should claim in the game right away
It doesn't read as alignment-indicative to me because I don't know which game KSC is referring to where scum got RNGd, joked, then disappeared from the thread. If KSC has been in such a game, I can see that argument coming from town -shrugs-
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