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Day 1, Night 1, whatever lol >< I'm tired.
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7 town - 3 scum - 1 SK
Hrum hrum.
Assuming a mislynch today (which is why I still think prplhz is the lynch, cause I don't see anyone - but VA - disagreeing that he's scum) and a shot on town from the SK
4 town - 3 scum - 1 SK
Painful. I think we need to settle on scummiest scum rather than speculate about modkills that may not happen. That or make a concerted effort to ferret out the SK and lynch him instead so we're only dealing with 1 scum KP.
VA, gonna check when that Breshke vote happened, but if you really think that you know who the SK is, I think now would be a good time to out with it.
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On February 21 2015 14:20 Alakaslam wrote:
Heh, everyone is tired
I was a sentinel last night so I slept all day
I'm eating lunch and about to go to bed XD tanking up water so I don't get dehydrated, knowing that this will cause me to sleep poorly due to getting up to pee
A sentinel?
You're still not able to go see a doc?
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I apologize, VA. You're right. prplhz actually was voting Breshke at a time where he could have easily become the main wagon, because TP hadn't CCd BH yet. Dumb move for scum.
Well, now back to the question of whether or not we should be looking for the SK in particular. He could shoot scum, but if he shoots town we're in trouble. Is this making sense to anyone else, or am I just sleep-deprived?
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On February 21 2015 14:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
Does it cost money to just go see a doctor for a check-up in the US?
Also slam I agree that the current trend of insulting people on the internet is disturbing, though I guess I can't really talk since I grew up in the "that's gay" generation.
RSO, yeah I am a baddy when it comes to formatting (ironic that the comment on his filter being all over the place is the one out of place) but you don't see how palmar basically set damdred up for a townread and just kinda accepted the first 'case' damdred made?
That's a very good point, ritoky, especially if Palmar was so quick to sheep it that he couldn't have verified it first. Which means checking timestamps.
Still need to double-check how good the case is...I only skimmed it, noted it was meta, and voted rayn later for other reasons lol so I didn't do that legwork Day 2.
@ritoky, I'll hit your case on LS in the morning, or after work at latest. Still curious about what all goes into your voting analysis though ^^ that wasn't a joke.
Bed now, unless anyone still wants to talk to me?
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Also, yes, yes it does. Money just to go see a doctor. Money to get picked up in an ambulance...and that's before you even hit the emergency room. Medical care is almost impossible without insurance in the US.
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On February 21 2015 14:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 14:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
Does it cost money to just go see a doctor for a check-up in the US?
Also slam I agree that the current trend of insulting people on the internet is disturbing, though I guess I can't really talk since I grew up in the "that's gay" generation.
RSO, yeah I am a baddy when it comes to formatting (ironic that the comment on his filter being all over the place is the one out of place) but you don't see how palmar basically set damdred up for a townread and just kinda accepted the first 'case' damdred made? That's a very good point, ritoky, FF, especially if Palmar was so quick to sheep it that he couldn't have verified it first. Which means checking timestamps. Still need to double-check how good the case is...I only skimmed it, noted it was meta, and voted rayn later for other reasons lol so I didn't do that legwork Day 2. @ritoky, I'll hit your case on LS in the morning, or after work at latest. Still curious about what all goes into your voting analysis though ^^ that wasn't a joke. Bed now, unless anyone still wants to talk to me?
I am now calling you ritoky, FF lol >< clearly I need sleep. is it alright if I revisit your work tomorrow?
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psst already corrected myself, FF
well, regardless, obviously best if we lynch scum today, since SK is scumhunting too and even intending to hit scum could still hit town. I just thought 1 less kp role on the loose would be beneficial for town in general
and I know where damdred's case is. the point is not that he made one or whether he was scum or mafia, but whether or not the case itself was actually good enough for supposedly good town to sheep it and call it good. do you get where i'm coming from?
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scum or mafia friggin A...my brain ><
sorry guys, going to bed. I think I may actually think better drunk
g'nite
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@ls;palmar
What do y'all think of VA's find? If prplhz is mafia, he was apparently bussing Breshke at a time that easily could have got a scummate killed for no good reason, cause it occurred after BH revealed and before he was CCd by TP. Double-check the timing for yourselves if you need to, but it's enough to make me doubt him as the "gimme scum" at the very least.
I have to leave for work in 30 mins :/ but I should be back in enough time to get through everything I wanted to. I'm really concerned about all the people just kind of coasting right now. It's tempting to just look at who hasn't been posting in the thread for Day 3 and call that the lynch pool.
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well, ritoky, to be honest if I can't actually look at your spreadsheet to verify the stats...then there's not much I can do with it, and obviously I can't look at your spreadsheet lol...that assumes you have all the data in right (and enough data), that your tests have an acceptable margin of error to use as a baseline, that the results are significant, etc. etc.
I appreciate you working with me to provide the explanation, though ^^
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okay, going to look closer at your case on LS, cause I've got a tone townread on him and frankly my reads on him are pretty damn good. I have yet to be wrong except for a small span of time when I got sidetracked on a minor detail, that I later corrected too late -_-
if anyone else has more evidence against him, please present it. I also want to try to find the sk specifically, especially if your cases don't convince me, but I'm not sure i'll have the time. anyone else find anything to support an sk read? I just have a feeling about ff, but it's not based on any evidence
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On February 22 2015 10:39 Superbia wrote:Officially removed from the game. 
What?
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oh lol >< SENTINEL -amused-
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BH's "case" is in the + Show Spoiler +On February 21 2015 08:05 Blazinghand wrote:OK, so all of the dead townies were townreading LS. The only one who wasn't was the one who was shot last night (Robik), by the scumteam. So, here's one of Robik's, um, last benedictions? Robik was shot N2 but during N1 he was serious. Later one he gives scumreads of LS, prplhz, damdy and rsoultin. HE was, of course, right about damdy. Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 07:13 IAmRobik wrote:On February 17 2015 07:07 LightningStrike wrote:On February 17 2015 06:58 Palmar wrote:On February 17 2015 05:53 Town Puppy wrote:
Notable nulls: Palmar, ray, HtS. I just haven't read enough of any of their posts. I still feel like HtS wouldn't fakeclaim miller, and I think 2 Jk, 2 mill, 1 cop is probably legit. So I guess she's town but this is predicated on a yolo read so yeah.
I liked what Palmar said when he posted and I didn't like ray's tone when he posted. But it's weak. Eh.
It's official. I am stuck in some kind of an eternal purgatory where no one will be sure I'm town. Ever. I been townreading you for since I started to see you would do shit on the weekend when normally you CBA to do shit on the weekend :O LYNCH LS TOMORROW. DO NOT FUCKIGN QUESTION IT. JUST DO IT. I MAY NOT BE AROUND, BUT YOU HAVE ONE FUCKING MISSION AND THAT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PERSON DOES NOT SURVIVE TIL TOMORROW. I MAY OR MAY NOT EXPLAIN WHY IN POSTGAME, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO TRUST THAT THIS READ IS ACCURATE. PALMAR -- IT'S KINDA LIKE THE READ I GAVE ON YOU IN HEAVYWEIGHT. PLEASE JUST FAITH. Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 10:11 IAmRobik wrote:
cause people don't fucking listen to me and it's fucking annoying. I made a raelly really really strong meta case for why rayn was town -- you guys lynched him anyway. Both rayn and i are telling you that VA is town...you insist on trying to lynch him. I said that LS was mafia like 3 fucking days ago, and now that someone made a "real case" people are on board. Like what fucking games are you twits playing This is his final post. HE wants LS dead. I would like to note (and this is just for you, dead Robik) that Robik never actually writes a case on LS. Times he mentions LS or LightningStrike are always things like "trust me LS is scum" or "I'll explain later" which is annoying as crap. hmm, if only a confirmed townie had a scumread on LS well, onto the main show I guess, Slam, here's what happened overnight. So, LS and ritoky are talking and LS says this: Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 06:53 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 06:28 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 06:18 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 06:15 LightningStrike wrote:
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The non confirmed players are either Mafia or SK and I finding you as either the SK or Mafia by Process of Elimation from all my reads and the confirmed towns were claimed roles or mod confirmed (BH) and then I decided to go meta reading players and elimated but the 5 in the non confirmed pile so that means that you are either A. Mafia or B. Serial Killer. I mean, explain how I have "mafia traits" from my meta in depth plz. examples necessary. Ya when you are Mafia you tend to super tunnel on someone for Example me in Carol of the Bells and Dr.H in Imperial. This game you been tunneled on HTS and now Me and this is the type of trait I associate with you when you are Mafia. Although i remember you Mass Murderer Slip was hilarious in Carol  I mean you're right I tunnel as both alignments. you obviously don't care very much about this read since you weren't willing to actually go find examples like asked. your read is not only bad, but made up. I am not tryharding enough to be scum this game, and there has been 0 conviction in any of my reads until this one. so I don't know where you have this "tunnel" shit coming from. in fact last phase I gave a complicated null read on HtS. Fine show me your town games and I will take a look at them. so wait, you're meta reading me as mafia when you have no idea about my town play and I am not emulating my mafia play? WHAT? Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet. I mean, regardless of your alignment. If you don't have an understanding of someone's play as both alignments, why in the hell would you ever try to meta read them? Beyond that, it's your only stated reason for scum reading me and you just openly invalidated it. I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife. emphasis mine ritoky replies: Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 06:53 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 06:28 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 06:18 ritoky wrote:
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I mean, explain how I have "mafia traits" from my meta in depth plz. examples necessary. Ya when you are Mafia you tend to super tunnel on someone for Example me in Carol of the Bells and Dr.H in Imperial. This game you been tunneled on HTS and now Me and this is the type of trait I associate with you when you are Mafia. Although i remember you Mass Murderer Slip was hilarious in Carol I mean you're right I tunnel as both alignments. you obviously don't care very much about this read since you weren't willing to actually go find examples like asked. your read is not only bad, but made up. I am not tryharding enough to be scum this game, and there has been 0 conviction in any of my reads until this one. so I don't know where you have this "tunnel" shit coming from. in fact last phase I gave a complicated null read on HtS. Fine show me your town games and I will take a look at them. so wait, you're meta reading me as mafia when you have no idea about my town play and I am not emulating my mafia play? WHAT? Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet. I mean, regardless of your alignment. If you don't have an understanding of someone's play as both alignments, why in the hell would you ever try to meta read them? Beyond that, it's your only stated reason for scum reading me and you just openly invalidated it. I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife. still kinda interested in this. she told you this where? cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you? cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt. So, to be clear here, LS is talking about an interaction that never happened. he and HTS never had this discussion in-thread. I prove this: Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 09:30 Blazinghand wrote:Truncated quote: On February 20 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:
I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife. still kinda interested in this. she told you this where? cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you? cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt. So basically, there's only one time in the ENTIRE thread where HtS replies to lightningstrike about ritoky, and that's this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771576 talks about ritoky passivity as town vs scum, and his engagmeent with scumreads, with lightningstrike, sepcifically asking about meta and it does not line up because there's no mention DrH or the fact that ritoky is less aggressive. She's asking questions: On February 17 2015 06:11 Half the Sky wrote:On February 17 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I think ritoky is town this game since he not fighting anyone at all like he did in his two games when I saw him play as Mafia. You're saying he's more passive as town than scum? He's talking a lot about his scumreads, but I don't know if he's not engaging his scumreads because he's unable to. Last I recall his four scumreads were Lian, Breshke, myself and Rayn and none of us are in the US. I think this is a fine reason to lynch both LS and HtS Now, people are calling this a "scumslip" case, and it's generally well-known that scumslips don't actually exist, and more townies scumslip than scum. However, this isn't the case of accidentally calling someone town or calling someone the gf when you shouldn't be sure of that, it's not some kind of minor slip thing. It's a reference to a conversation. It's not a weirdly worded phrase, it's a deliberate statement. LightningStrike says, "HTS told me X Y Z and ritoky tunnelling this game" when HTS said NO SUCH THING. There's a number of explanations for this, but the most likely is simply that HTS *did* tell him that and he forgot that the interaction didn't happen in-thread. He first replies with this: Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 10:18 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 10:16 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 06:53 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
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I mean you're right I tunnel as both alignments. you obviously don't care very much about this read since you weren't willing to actually go find examples like asked.
your read is not only bad, but made up.
I am not tryharding enough to be scum this game, and there has been 0 conviction in any of my reads until this one. so I don't know where you have this "tunnel" shit coming from. in fact last phase I gave a complicated null read on HtS. Fine show me your town games and I will take a look at them. so wait, you're meta reading me as mafia when you have no idea about my town play and I am not emulating my mafia play? WHAT? Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet. I mean, regardless of your alignment. If you don't have an understanding of someone's play as both alignments, why in the hell would you ever try to meta read them? Beyond that, it's your only stated reason for scum reading me and you just openly invalidated it. I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife. still kinda interested in this. she told you this where? cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you? cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt. It's in her filter but I will dig it up now since you asking for this. I;m back guys I forgot to say that I was going out to dinner with my Mom so catching up still. Found it and it was me talking to HTS and which HTS responded to me that's why it might not be in my filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=16#309 which is completely unrelated. then he rplies with this: Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 10:21 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 10:18 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 10:16 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote:
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so wait, you're meta reading me as mafia when you have no idea about my town play and I am not emulating my mafia play?
WHAT? Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet. I mean, regardless of your alignment. If you don't have an understanding of someone's play as both alignments, why in the hell would you ever try to meta read them? Beyond that, it's your only stated reason for scum reading me and you just openly invalidated it. I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife. still kinda interested in this. she told you this where? cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you? cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt. It's in her filter but I will dig it up now since you asking for this. I;m back guys I forgot to say that I was going out to dinner with my Mom so catching up still. Found it and it was me talking to HTS and which HTS responded to me that's why it might not be in my filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=16#309 what in the holy fuck? this post has 0 to do with anything and responds to FF? you don't even post on this page, the page before it or the page after it. Crap wrong post. Here it is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=89#1762 which I had already debunked. LS's immediate reaction isn't "oh, this is what I'm talking about, you guys misinterperted me", his reaction is just to link us to shit that isn't relevant. Like, this is NOT a case of a wording issue, this is a case of LS thinking a conversation happened in this thread when it did NOT. my opponents will tell you this is a simple scumslip case, but it is not a scumslip case. LS doesn't react how someone would if his wording has been misinterpreted. He didn't say "oh, I wasn't claming HTS said that, she didn't say that; I meant that I thought that" or something like that. No, he MEANT what he wrote and we interpreted him fine.
Point One: Robik was scumreading LS. Robik's good, but he's not infallible; he was convinced I was scum, too.
Point the Second and Last: LS made up this conversation with HtS.
On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 06:53 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 06:28 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 06:18 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 06:15 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 05:32 ritoky wrote:
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explain this in depth please. The non confirmed players are either Mafia or SK and I finding you as either the SK or Mafia by Process of Elimation from all my reads and the confirmed towns were claimed roles or mod confirmed (BH) and then I decided to go meta reading players and elimated but the 5 in the non confirmed pile so that means that you are either A. Mafia or B. Serial Killer. I mean, explain how I have "mafia traits" from my meta in depth plz. examples necessary. Ya when you are Mafia you tend to super tunnel on someone for Example me in Carol of the Bells and Dr.H in Imperial. This game you been tunneled on HTS and now Me and this is the type of trait I associate with you when you are Mafia. Although i remember you Mass Murderer Slip was hilarious in Carol I mean you're right I tunnel as both alignments. you obviously don't care very much about this read since you weren't willing to actually go find examples like asked. your read is not only bad, but made up. I am not tryharding enough to be scum this game, and there has been 0 conviction in any of my reads until this one. so I don't know where you have this "tunnel" shit coming from. in fact last phase I gave a complicated null read on HtS. Fine show me your town games and I will take a look at them. so wait, you're meta reading me as mafia when you have no idea about my town play and I am not emulating my mafia play? WHAT? Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet. I mean, regardless of your alignment. If you don't have an understanding of someone's play as both alignments, why in the hell would you ever try to meta read them? Beyond that, it's your only stated reason for scum reading me and you just openly invalidated it. I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her(,) but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife.
Left in the emphasis that BH placed on the sentence. As I already said, it's just missing a comma, which I've placed in there. If you haven't noticed, LS is somewhat allergic to punctuation in his posts, demonstrated in...pretty much any other post he's posted this game. Also, look at the qualifier in red here. He is not literally saying that she said the words "ritoky is tunneling me".
But if that's not enough to make it fairly obvious that several players here took something tiny and blew it way out of proportion (either deliberately or just cause they're tunneled, who knows), then look at the following quotes:
On February 17 2015 06:02 Half the Sky wrote:
KSC, I usually find myself asking LS many questions just to see where he is. And in most of his games, he's not very coherent, even as town. Right now I have no reason to be suspicious of him.
Looked at VA's last filter - last two posts on BH/mod issues. Not sure if he's still OMGUS-ing BH, but if he doesn't believe anything was mod confirmed, I'm surprised he didn't have any input on Superbia's researching that possibility or even had any input on balance. We've had a flip but he isn't trying to determine anything from it yet...
There's ritoky still maintaining I was voting BH for no reason when I first voted him, so that remains problematic. Into the scum pile he goes.
This looks like HtS is frustrated with ritoky not accepting her explanation. Continuing to scumread someone for a reason that has already been answered could easily be construed as "tunneling", especially given the way LS uses the word, as ritoky has already pointed out (I believe).
On February 17 2015 06:11 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I think ritoky is town this game since he not fighting anyone at all like he did in his two games when I saw him play as Mafia. You're saying he's more passive as town than scum? He's talking a lot about his scumreads, but I don't know if he's not engaging his scumreads because he's unable to. Last I recall his four scumreads were Lian, Breshke, myself and Rayn and none of us are in the US.
In context, this is HtS challenging LS' assertion that ritoky is not being as aggressive, essentially alleging that the only reason he isn't (yes, I'm going to use the word again) "tunneled" as hard on his scumreads is because they're not in the thread at the same time.
On February 20 2015 06:28 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 06:18 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 06:15 LightningStrike wrote:On February 20 2015 05:32 ritoky wrote:On February 20 2015 00:32 LightningStrike wrote:
Non confirmed Town: ritoky, VayneAuthority, IAmRobik,, Alakaslam, prplhz.
Ritoky although he looked better than his last mafia games I seen him play (Carol which I played and Imperial I shadowed) but he seem to still have some of his mafia traits in him but not as much as that time and give there been time since these two games happened he could of worked on his Mafia play. explain this in depth please. The non confirmed players are either Mafia or SK and I finding you as either the SK or Mafia by Process of Elimation from all my reads and the confirmed towns were claimed roles or mod confirmed (BH) and then I decided to go meta reading players and elimated but the 5 in the non confirmed pile so that means that you are either A. Mafia or B. Serial Killer. I mean, explain how I have "mafia traits" from my meta in depth plz. examples necessary. Ya when you are Mafia you tend to super tunnel on someone for Example me in Carol of the Bells and Dr.H in Imperial. This game you been tunneled on HTS and now Me and this is the type of trait I associate with you when you are Mafia. Although i remember you Mass Murderer Slip was hilarious in Carol
Clearly, whether HtS used the word "tunnel" or not, that is how LS interpreted it.
It's not definitive, but I think there's sufficient evidence here to explain LS' choice of wording and that it isn't disconnected with the thread at all.
More to the point, why the hell you guys think a conversation like this took place in a scum QT is beyond me. It simply does not make sense, and makes a lot more sense that he is simply interpreting the interactions between HtS, ritoky and himself as tunneling.
This case is weak as shit. Moving on to ritoky's.
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On February 22 2015 11:08 Superbia wrote:
Breshke:
Never mentions: prplhz
Barely mentions: Palmar, VA
Did this revelation come from my earlier post detailing just that? xP Which is why I'm considering LS hard right now as a player Breshke townread but didn't interact with?
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Oh, btw, there's an interesting gem I noticed in reading LS' filter where ritoky mentioned that he "can" tunnel as either alignment.
Which put me in mind of reading the scum QT after Carol where ritoky justified tunnel bussing HF by saying that he always tunnels as town.
Something that makes me think that ritoky may be our third party if this is a departure from both his town and scum games.
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On February 22 2015 11:21 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 11:20 rsoultin wrote:On February 22 2015 11:08 Superbia wrote:
Breshke:
Never mentions: prplhz
Barely mentions: Palmar, VA Did this revelation come from my earlier post detailing just that? xP Which is why I'm considering LS hard right now as a player Breshke townread but didn't interact with? This revelation is fresh as fuck (at least to me). Prplhz is never mentioned by breshke.
;o; not reading my posts. meanie
Okay, well, what about VA's point? I do get that scum can buss...hell I bussed the shit out of JAT when hardly anyone else was to get the cop to claim. A clever play but lol ultimately not the best one. The point is, usually doesn't bussing occur either when the main wagon is so strong it's low risk, or when scum is the main wagon and there's little-to-no hope of saving a scummate?
I don't think prplhz's vote qualifies as either. I'd definitely vote him over LS right now, though, pending a closer read of ritoky's case.
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On February 20 2015 09:42 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I think ritoky is town this game since he not fighting anyone at all like he did in his two games when I saw him play as Mafia. What's even worse is here is LS town reading me early in the game for my meta of not tunneling and fighting, which he has now flipped to scum read me for what reason exactly? Thank you for this find BH, I only read the HtS portion of this interaction.
I'm actually having trouble finding ritoky's case lol >< I don't know why. But you mentioned that 3 posts is not like 75% of your posts, right, ritoky? That's true (not sure how accurate your percentage is, but I'm sure it's more than 3 posts lol) and if you weren't pressing lightningstrike harder between his read changes I'd buy this more. But you did, so if you're pushing him, is it really that surprising that his read on you would change?
Is there no possible way that you two could just be defining tunneling differently?
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On February 22 2015 11:35 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 11:25 rsoultin wrote:
Oh, btw, there's an interesting gem I noticed in reading LS' filter where ritoky mentioned that he "can" tunnel as either alignment.
Which put me in mind of reading the scum QT after Carol where ritoky justified tunnel bussing HF by saying that he always tunnels as town.
Something that makes me think that ritoky may be our third party if this is a departure from both his town and scum games. Well VA said something earlier that might indicate this too. Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 00:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
LS, Ritoky, prphlz, and 4th was breshke until he got replaced, I dont deal with replacements so dont care about that slot anymore.
I think robik is potentially the SK at this point, or damdred. I see now that Robik is playing his town game but isn't actually invested in it, why he hasn't went after the LS lynch more is beyond me. SK is basically an extension of town right now as he has to shoot mafia so no reason to lynch. This was before Robik died obviously. Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 09:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also I know who the SK is now, interesting. Don't really want to reveal it as he's towns strongest player atm. Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 09:38 VayneAuthority wrote:On February 21 2015 09:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh hey that means you don't think I'm the SK! VA what do you think of ritoky? Any particular reason that I would need to go into detail? Ritoky and LS are not the same alignment, we would lynch 1 scum if we lynched both that should suffice I know VA was scumreading LS before though, and ritoky was posting a lot of cases as well on LS and trying to convince me and others that LS was scum. I thought it was Ritoky earlier given the way he was reading Rayn, FF and myself, but I was obviously wrong on Rayn, and after examining Damdred's filter, I'm pretty sure I'm wrong on FF being scum. Although I'm curious to see why you think he's SK. Also if you're that interested in finding SK, Rasputin, I wonder if there's any way to work backwards on any information or reads people might have had on either of Damdred or Kelsier.
Someone gave stats on replacements. I forget who. The way I figure it, SK could either have been reading KSC town, null, or scum to throw people off before taking a shot at him if in fact the SK did shoot KSC and not someone else. But SK definitely shot Damdred, and the SK would reasonably be interested in getting scum lynched Day 2 to balance out the sides. I'm not sure that it was ritoky who said it, but it does fit his stats interest.
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