EPTCause that's certainly the most logical explanation here.
VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... - Page 12
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Cause that's certainly the most logical explanation here. | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
| ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
These people are high -_- | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
And secondly, I don't think it is one. You're a generally logical person. What am I missing? | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 20 2015 11:27 Damdred wrote: Actually it looks pretty bad. I don't think LS would make the play where he would just randomly drop a townies name though. I don't think its necessarily in him to do that. Theres something else that ritoky said also that makes LS a bit weird to me, his sudden turn around on reading ritoky. And LS is a bit lazier this game, for instance only looking or referring to Ritokys scum games when he genrally would jump out a window to compare peoples past games. I'm not so s ure why you are defending LS...scum slips do exist they are rare but do happen. I'm defending him because he's the low-hanging fruit every game he's town in, and I think he's town in this one. I think it's ridiculously unlikely that this was a scum slip from a scum QT conversation when both HTS and LS were discussing these things in the thread, though not using the same exact wording. If he's scum, it's not because of this >< But whatever. His filter is on my list, too. Maybe I'll find a real case in there, if he's actually scum. | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 20 2015 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: I will admit my formatting is kind of bad and I got to ritoky on POE Damdred if you look in my big ass post in my filter. BTW Serial Killer just kill me please? I will give Tacos and BBQ if you do! Lol and then I wonder why I bother >< You know I pulled this exact same trick in my one scum game on this site? | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 20 2015 11:38 LightningStrike wrote: Ya but Breshke was smart and killed JAT  Also Marv convinced me that bats was just being a dumb town and that made my POE easy for me to get you as Mafia Yeah, well, three confirmed towns and you the fourth in a pool of five lol xP not exactly like that was hard, LS. If you're town, cut this out now. You realize that if another two town players are lost tonight we basically have to lynch scum tomorrow? If you're scum, carry on. | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 20 2015 11:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Well, to answer your wifom question, she is probably aware that robik and I have been scumreading you all game and that getting a wagon to stop while in the hands of BH+ritoky+robik is futile. If you are town, does her fervent defense of you not seem like TMI? FF I have defended LS literally every game we're town in every single one. I don't give a shit what you and Robik think. I know how to read LS. | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 20 2015 11:45 LightningStrike wrote: Ugh did you check my POE? Ya I got exactly 5 players that I think are Antitown (Mafia or SK) so therefore sheep my reads? Still filter-diving, LS, but I'll definitely look. | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
@FF, reads list from towniest to scummiest: Blazinghand - Obv reasons, but he really did have a lot more input than I remembered after going back through his relatively lengthy filter. I even like that he's gotten off his KILL VA bandwagon, if for what I consider to be a pretty stupid case. Palmar - Sheer activity. The last time I saw a Palmar this invested, he was town, and I don't think he would have approached the Rayn lynch the way he did if he knew that Rayn was town. lightningstrike - I'm like an oracle when it comes to reading LS. Just accept it. And if you can't; just look at the games we've played together. There's an unfettered feel to how he's playing (and it's flat-out bullshit to say that he ever does meta cases/reads correctly...he often doesn't compare all the games available or give examples, though I wish he would if he's going to use meta) Half the Sky - Her cases may have been wrong, but the sheer amount of effort put into them, and the conviction with which she fought for them, makes me think it's coming from a townie source. My reservations are that she seems more aggressive than I remember, and I didn't like most of her early posting at all. In fact, most of her posts other than her cases are kinda meh for me. The cases/pushes win out, though. Superbia - Some good posting, but minimal. The vet claim strengthens the townlean almost to the point where I'd be confident to call him town. Yet I keep thinking back to Protoss where he was a town leader and we helped each other after Palmar was shot, and I'm not seeing that here. With all the towncred he's gained from that one google search and now a claim, he should be right in the mix, giving reads and giving townies someone to talk to they can be fairly confident of. Also not really buying BH's claim that only he is clever enough for a play like this xP Breshke/Damdred Waffling on Damdred. He came in strong with that case, but Breshke was basically a non-entity with almost nothing but townreads. I'm also not seeing a lot of that in-depth analysis that makes me go yay, town Damdred! To be fair, though, I have a habit of expecting too much from Damdred and just calling him scum whenever he seems to be doing illogical things. Another eureka moment half as good as that Eden case in Linux would have him skyrocketing into my firm town section. Alakaslam - I keep fluctuating on him. Sometimes the happiness seems like it could be town slam, but he's been swinging a lot between very "lucid" posts and completely worthless ones. He keeps saying he's finding towns, but I have yet to see those conclusions except for the one time he was asked who the towniest town was. Fecalfeast - Still like some of his posting. Just not getting a strong town vibe from him. He seems to have suddenly gotten more interested in scumhunting tonight, and my paranoid mind is whispering...SK? If he's not the SK, though, I don't really think he's mafia. IAmRobik - Disclaimer: Kind of hate how he plays and part of this is probably OMGUS. But seriously, if you're trying to call SK shots, unless I'm his biggest scumread ever, suggesting to shoot me is so anti-town it's ridiculous. The last thing town needs right now is another town flip, and he should realize that. The obvious play is to take out a player everyone is generally scumreading, because even if they're town, that's one less person to mislynch tomorrow. I'm not calling him straight-up mafia just because his reads have been pretty good this game, and I know he's a good enough player that this doesn't necessarily mean he already knows everyone's alignment. VayneAuthority - The AFK wonder of the group. Meta-reads aside, it's coming up on end of N2 and the lurking has crossed from inactive to flat-out scummy. ritoky - His filter was just straight-up unimpressive. Add in all the little I'm not scum, I'm not scum, see my town tell? posts and it's even worse. Obviously if he knows his town tell so well (and I'll admit I have no clue what that actually is) he can emulate it as scum. The "LS is mafia cause this is so a secret OBS QT convo" case is so shit tier that he deserves to be lynched with fire. prplhz - Gonna come straight out and call him the "gimme scum" of the bunch. Most people I have little doubts about here or there, but prplhz does the quadruple whammy of: shit!entrance, no real scumhunting, general inactivity, and returning to the thread just to ask for updates or whine at the people scumreading him for their reasons. Like, there doesn't even need to be a case against this guy, it's so open and shut. The three bottom I'd lynch (or be happy to see shot) in a second. This game is way too easy (though I wouldn't complain!) if I'm right on Robik and FF, too, though. I'd guess the other two are in my null/null-leaning-scum reads. The null-leaning-town reads I'd need to see a good case for to lynch tomorrow. | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 20 2015 12:56 Superbia wrote: Town: - BH - ritoky - Robik - FF - VA (literally sheeping this read) SK: - Damdred Which leaves: - HtS - rsoultin - LS - Palmar - Slam - prplhz So HtS made a case earlier on FF which she then easily abandoned to sheep a case on Rayn. I don't believe a townie would put so much time/energy into a case on someone just to easily abandon it like she did. But on the other hand she has put a lot of time into the game. Mafia pile bc yolo. RSO has seemed paranoid and active as well. I called her out for afking during the EoD1 crucial time, in which a VT claimed cop and got lynched. This was exceptionally scummy, but her play otherwise has been fine. Town pile because her thought process makes sense, I guess. LS first seemed like mafia, but people defended him and called him town. His filter seems way different compared to his mafia filter, though it was a long time ago. The slip is idk. I prefer not to base my reads on those, since it can be interpreted in several ways (maybe being dumb since it's 5 am). Town after all I guess. Gotta stick to those god-meta-reads. Palmar seems town but a bit different for some reason. It seems like he's leading and being loud, but the presence doesn't seem to be completely there for some reason. It may just be my disconnect with the game. Maybe town maybe good mafia. Slam seems different from PYP game. No interactivity with town. Does his own thing. Slam is mafia. prplhz is wat. Mafia. I can kinda see the argument on Robik and FF...but what makes you think ritoky is town? And lol, that VA read xP Are you just sheeping Robik, then? Cause insofar as I understand the meta, it's he doesn't do shit till a scum flip, which in my mind puts him at null at best. | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
| ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 20 2015 13:06 Superbia wrote: So a few things for town: Ritoky is town because he seems to be genuinely paying attention. Also he seemed town d1. Robik seems angry and therefore. Honestly I came to EoN to call him scum but I read his filter and it seems townie. Especially compared to PYP, where he was scum. Might be underestimating his scum play. But I don't have a lot of time. FF I read as PR/Mafia early on. Reread his filter and he seemed town. I kind of have a town soulread on FF which has not come to fruition this game. Gut says he might be mafia, head says he's town. Sticking to head on this one. VA is called town by people who claim to read him. I read his d1 filter and seemed to agree with almost everything he said, which is why I read him town independently. I'm not sure why he's been very lurky. Looks like probably our biggest disconnect is ritoky. He also seems to be your strongest townread. Why am I wrong on him? | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 20 2015 13:15 Superbia wrote: He's not really my strongest town-read per say. I read him town d1 because he seemed different from when I was mafia with him. I feel like he's more salty when he's mafia, he hasn't been this game. The fact that he pinged out LS on the HtS thing makes it feel like he's paying attention to the game. His lack of presence on d2 is not alignment indicative to me. Hm. Maybe I should reread his filter again, cause it didn't really stick in my head well and I read it just this morning (forgettable to me is scummy). I don't know; I figure if you're reading something close enough to notice a possible discrepancy, you'd also take a second to actually consider what is being said. | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 20 2015 13:19 Superbia wrote: Like the amount of people scum reading Ritoky has nothing to do with his alignment. A lot of people were scum-reading Rayn, a lot of people were scum-reading lian. You can't use that metric as an excuse to read someone scum. +1 Sometimes it's a great indication that they're actually town. Devil's advocate time, though: Generally you're not going to see that many scumreads if a player isn't at least acting scummy, given at least some of those scumreads have to be coming from town. In that sense HtS has a point. | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 20 2015 13:35 Half the Sky wrote: Additionally when Robik questioned me on why I was eager to switch my vote, I responded with consolidation. Again, note that I was the last person off Fecalfeast. I am intelligent enough to know when a vote loses traction. In my eyes it was going from scum to scum at that time. My cases on both should speak for with the conviction. You're still scumreading FF...do you think his wagon would have formed that fast if he was mafia? That's actually part of the reason that I think if he's scum, he's probably the SK. Also, what do you think of his participation so far Night 2? | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 20 2015 13:39 Superbia wrote: Also the fact that prplhz is at the end of many people's lists is somewhat intriguing. Elaborate? | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 20 2015 13:41 Fecalfeast wrote: So I'm to assume the red-coloured people (BH+super) are at the top because of the host stuff but are scummy to you anyway? Regarding damdred and slam, what has slam done to make him more towny than, say, robik? Same sorta goes with damdred, though I understand nulling him until he does something impressive, what has he done so far to make him higher on the list than, oh I don't know, me? Read lol I said I'm dropping my tinfoil hat on BH, and went into detail on the read. All of them, really. The red is the color of power roles in this game. BH is (probably most likely or supoku time) JK, and Super has claimed vet. I'm still a bit paranoid about Super, mostly cause up until now he's been in the background despite his all but confirmed town status. My initial impression after Day 1 on slam was town and it's been drifting null the longer the game goes. Damdred's case and push. I don't know if he does that as scum, honestly, but it puts him in the limelight for the Rayn lynch, which I'd think scum would want to avoid. It also demonstrates putting the work in to make the case to begin with. (Basically the same reason I'm townreadingish HtS). Robik I think is scummy. That's explained. I also admitted it may be OMGUS/emotional, but whatever, it's how I feel right now. You're just making me paranoid when you've suddenly seemed to pick up interest tonight xP I already said I think you're the SK if you're scum. Again. It's all explained. | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 20 2015 13:45 Superbia wrote: Like people mention ritoky (as being mafia) for a lack of presence. What about prplhz then? Oh, I completely agree. My kneejerk reaction when asked for a scumlist by Palmar (I think this was when it happened) was prplhz should be the lynch, and it is pretty strange how he's been left alone. | ||
|
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
| ||
| ||
