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On February 21 2015 06:42 Half the Sky wrote: LS, you were town in Horn. I believe one of the points for improvement in your town game that was mentioned to you post game is not to throw links at people if you want to make a case. Go into that filter and draw out the quotes that parallel the points you are trying to make against Slam. If you are town, I think you can do this. <3 Will try but don't expect the same level of case I did on JAT being Mafia. | ||
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On February 21 2015 07:03 Fecalfeast wrote: Setting yourself up for mediocrity is the first step to achieving it I just going to quote my case on JAT being Mafia so you can read it: On February 10 2015 00:57 LightningStrike wrote: Okay guys I'm back and now I bring the case on why JAT is confirmed Mafia. Now lets start with my first piece of evidence his case on HF on page 15 of his filter: Now if you looked in Void Mafia he was just as aggressive towards HF at Pages 1,2, and 3 of his filter on these same type of behavior towards a different player named Half the Sky before turned his attention to his scum read Marv in that game. Also note his behavior after HF backed off of JAT , JAT started to like him in Void Mafia at page 4. From Void Mafia: Now if you look at his behavior regarding the votes on him or prssure on him he just attacked everyone including me and HF in this game. He did similar behavior throughout Void Mafia as scum and here is a convenient quote that JAT also in this game when someone mention him as scum in void Mafia when Koshi was town: and now here's some similar type of quotes from this game: Notice how he got angry on people wanting to lynch him throughout this game and in void he displayed the same behavior. When I played with him in Metal Mini he didn't seem to get mad as easily as this game and was activly solve the game there too. Brb making case on Slam. | ||
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On February 21 2015 07:17 Blazinghand wrote: I don't think JAT is in this game...? That was my case on him in Horns of Africa when he was Mafia. Just stopping here to comment while I build up my case on Slam being Mafia. | ||
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 YOLO SWAG 420 BLAZE IT! But I really tired and I can't defend myself or make a good case for people to sheep there is no way I can win this for town T_T | ||
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On February 21 2015 08:13 Fecalfeast wrote: There's still...... 29.75 hours if I'm not mistaken Every time I try to talk it's like I'm talking to a brickwall so what is the point? WHAT IS THE POINT? | ||
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On February 21 2015 08:26 Blazinghand wrote: I am willing to engage you on topics of conversation and, except for the part where I push you and vote you and get you lynched, I will treat you like a confirmed town player. Ignore the others, if you must, but if you flip town, that doesn't lose the game for us, if we play perfectly and the stars align. So, from your perspective, you're conftown in about a day. Your words carry weight. You're smart, dedicated, and soon you will be utterly trustworthy. Even better, you have one of the best players in this game here to help you think and bounce ideas off of. Let's get to work. Okay had you played with Slam when he was Mafia or remember how played he in Slytherin? If so do you think he's playing his Mafia meta? | ||
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On February 21 2015 08:32 Fecalfeast wrote: Helping town! If you don't care about winning then idc, you just said you have reason to believe slam is mafia and that you deduced this from his last scum game's filter. You've already laid the foundation for a case and you give up instead? I don't get it. Yeah, mafia is at times frustrating or stressful or tiring but what I meant when I said you have 29 hours is that you have time to calm down, have a sleep, play a couple games of LoL to clear your head and come back. Giving up now is just. ugh. I didn't really have a solid foundation tbh it was just my own thoughts and having autism makes it hard for me to give out my thoughts the way I want to present them :| | ||
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On February 21 2015 08:36 Blazinghand wrote: Hmm, I like where you're going here with slam, to an extent. I'm actually really interested in this, as I have a strong townread on slam this game! I naturally don't question your motivations much as you are conftown, but let's talk reasoning. I'm uh, not sure what exactly you're trying to point me at here in slytherin mafia. I do notice that in Slytherin mafia, slam isn't actually a huge pusher, but he does make some votes. In general though, yeah, his play in slytherin is definitely laconic. I'm not sure his play THIS game really matches up though, you know? Let me show you some of his stuff from this game that has no comparison from slytherin: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23763674 in this post, Slam is actually pretty clear. He shred's TP's post with like, one lucid sentence. Not bad. Note that he also turns out to be right as there's double JK this game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773965 this and his two posts after it show some critical thought that I'd not have expected from scum slam. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23778007 though he's wrong here it's a noble attempt. I guess also part of it is that Slam acts like this as town, too, you know? Like yeah he's fooling around a lot but he IS making plays, compared with slytherin where he makes few. I think I just got paranoia again from just playing a game with Slam being Mafia >.> I tend to get paranoia when I just played with the player when they were Mafia. But I think prpl or however you spell his seems mafia and I might just build my own case on him but warning I only had 7 hours of sleep >.> | ||
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On February 21 2015 08:51 Fecalfeast wrote: How.. how much sleep do you normally get? Wanna trade? I normally get 8 to 9 but I stayed up till 1:00 am CST and woke up 8:00 am CST but I also didn't get any caffeine today either that's not helping at all >.> | ||
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Okay so first off prplhz got a 4 page filter which is very small for this game. I will do my entire case of him being mafia soonish. | ||
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On February 14 2015 23:15 prplhz wrote: no i rolled mafia so please help me with the blue hunting. for realsies? why these players? Now notice he claimed Red which would normally imply Mafia but in this game Town Power roles are Red and Mafia is Blue. Also he seemed to shocked someone called Blazinghand Mafia. This next quote I finding it pretty weird on certain stuff: On February 15 2015 00:51 prplhz wrote: dunno. i have maybe two slight green reads (robik, rayn) and one red read (me) but i've never been much of a blue hunter (inb4 this is a scum tell). i was hoping someone would convince me with a good case. i don't like this post at all though First he said that Robik and Rayn were green reads of his and it was confirmed that they did in fact flip green. Also he calling himself Red which is in this game a Town Power role but again he still haven't claimed but why soft claim a power role at all unless you were me when I first started playing TL Mafia. Also he doesn't seem to follow up his read on FF on his post. This post I really dislike a lot: On February 15 2015 00:53 prplhz wrote: wasn't really much of a coaching thing as an "oh my god this could easily lead to 20 pages of ban list discussion and multiple people vowing never to play on tlmafia again because of some minor incident that could just never have happened" anyway robik and bh are both too stubborn to just not do shit like that so whatevz First off he already called Robik Green which VT or Miller earlier and now he also posting a whole bunch of nothing with only saying Robik and Blazinghand are stubborn and doesn't say if they were town or not although I think he thought we would assume he thinks both of them are town but him being lazy about it really making me ich. So this post is interesting: On February 15 2015 01:11 prplhz wrote: how did you figure this out at this point? did you just randomly decide to read the OP right at this time? that doesn't seem like palmaresque behavior (reading the OP at any point of the game). i mean you think i'm wanting to red hunt and then you say "okay" despite how everybody knows this is pro scum (lightningstrike deftly pointed this out already). then you say "okay" but then suddenly, right there, you decide to read the OP (wtf since when does palmar read the OP) and then you realize that i actually want to blue hunt. why did you read the OP right there? He decided to do a meta read on Palmar because apparently Palmar doesn't read the OP as Town but again this post seem to have little substance and the bolded inticating is that he want to hunt for our Town Power roles which stupid to do because we need them to do their jobs and help us find Mafia and the Serial Killer. This next post from prplhz making me cringe: On February 15 2015 09:41 prplhz wrote: i have a question are you not aware the the bullshitting phase of this game is long over? Idk what was the purpose of this post by prplhz other than telling BH to just cut out the RNG lynch since he was wanting to RNG lynch VA so he was either townreading VA or is scum buddies with VA. This next post seems to contradict a earlier post of his: On February 16 2015 00:56 prplhz wrote: @palmar i don't know if i'm remembering this correctly, but rayn is usually all over the place isn't he? i mean he had a list post in this very game like 6 hours into the game where he claims that he found the entire scum team. it's pretty ridiculous but he's just very convinced of one thing and then suddenly of another, very jumpy. i remember that game where he thought i was scum and you and marv had to do your very best to change his mind but at that point he had thought i was scum every single game we had played together (think we had played four games), he just had a thing for me. i don't think that means he never reconsiders his reads, especially his early "flakier" reads. i agree that that "guess why i think ksc is mafia"-thing is weird and that's after he went to the sauna he's uncharacteristically disappeared though that could be for other reasons. also, as much as i hate to say it, slam and bh are right, we're nowhere right now and we should consolidate. ksc had a terrible entrance to this thread and the only substantial thing he's done is this weird hard defense of rayn. bh looking good for pointing it out but very bad for sticking with this VA thing, it's getting way too old by now. Now earlier he had posted this: On February 15 2015 00:51 prplhz wrote: dunno. i have maybe two slight green reads (robik, rayn) and one red read (me) but i've never been much of a blue hunter (inb4 this is a scum tell). i was hoping someone would convince me with a good case. i don't like this post at all though So he haven't show a real progression on his own read on rayn and called him Vanilla Town earlier so what had changed? I checked his filter and he didn't explain any change before the post I quoted earlier about his change in reads on rayn. Also he already had checked the case on KSC being Mafia and liked it but he also said that we were getting no where with the KSC talked which is odd because if you think someone is Mafia you talk others and ask them what their view is on that person and people minds change over time normally. Now in this post it seemed to defend rayn even though he seemed to had changed his mind suddenly on him: On February 16 2015 01:34 prplhz wrote: yea i'm not sure what to think about palmar. this push on rayn is, well i don't like pushes on people like rayn or palmar on d1 because if they're town they're going to get shot by mafia really soon anyway. pretty simple. also a rayn/palmar shout fest clash of egos on d1 is potentially devastating for town. i liked some of his earlier posts like the one where he points out that robik is town and then he just made this post which i think looks super townie. in any case i'm really tentative about lynching palmar or rayn on d1. i want to see what happens when rayn gets back though. semi related you're also looking townie simply because the "say something clever twice and you're scum" thing you have for me is so ridiculous. So he thinks that Palmar looks town and both Palmar and Rayn shouldn't be lynched on Day 1 but why he wouldn't want to lynch one of his possible Mafia reads as soon as possible? In this post he hard attacks rayn after hard defending him to not be the Day 1 lynch: On February 16 2015 01:54 prplhz wrote: @Palmar I don't remember which game it was that had you and marvellosity fight an uphill battle against raynpelikoneet to make him realize I was town. HOWEVER In that very game I remember that I said something like "raynpelikoneet can't read me for shit he always reads me scum even though I'm town" and that just ticked him off. Completely emotionally compromised and we know raynpelikoneet with the multiple 5 game bans can be hilariously emotionally compromised. That's what happened and that's why he was so stubborn that game. I'm pretty sure that while he's usually self-confident, he's nowhere near those levels of stubbornness. What's happening in this game is that raynpelikoneet saw a post that he liked and then it seems like he reconsidered a read. That's not scummy, it's scummy to keep all doors open but not to reconsider reads. pls respond He showed no real progression on his read on rayn at least in his filter up to this point and turned up suddenly. He also called Rayn Mafia because he was keeping all of his doors open but yet he said he didn't reconsider reads when in that same post he said he did. In this post he seemed to again contradict a earlier statement: On February 16 2015 02:42 prplhz wrote: SERIOUSLY RAYN IS REALLY GOOD AT MAFIA EITHER HE WILL FIND MAFIA OR HE WILL GET SHOT IF NEITHER HAPPENS, WE CAN CONSIDER LYNCHING HIM WE'RE NOT LYNCHING HIM JUST BECAUSE HE CHANGED HIS MIND AND IS NOW AFK WRESTLING A POLAR BEAR OR WHATEVER. this is mafia 101, you don't lynch townies with a good reputation on d1. He just said he wanted to lynch Rayn but now he said don't lynch him again on Day 1 like him reconsidering when to lynch someone who he got as a scumread for him is really weird like if he was town he should of tried to convince people to lynch him if he really thought Rayn was Mafia. Now these next two quotes are really confusing: On February 16 2015 04:22 prplhz wrote: ##Vote Blazinghand On February 16 2015 04:24 prplhz wrote: ##Unvote Blazinghand So first he never gave his reasoning to lynch Blazinghand then he unvotes him 2 minutes later like seriously why even vote him if you just going to unvote like 2 mins later like if you think someone is Mafia you vote them not vote then unvote but he never gave a reasoning for his vote on Blazinghand at all and that is very scummy. Now in this post his explains his Blazinghand vote but also attacks KSC: On February 17 2015 11:34 prplhz wrote: @KelsierSC on the odd chance that you're actually town you need to take a step back and reconsider your read on me instead of just going "prplhz is scum" every single time I post. Seriously, even if I was scum I wouldn't be scummy in every single post. It's pretty obvious that you're tunneling me. If you're mafia then keep going though. Also this thread went to pieces. I can explain my Blazinghand vote though, it's pretty simple. Blazinghand did a horrible claim under hardly any pressure and I though that was scummy for a second then I realized that scum would rarely do that in face of 2-3 votes 10 hours before deadline. Scum are usually way more hesitant and he'd have the backing of his team to count on as well so no reason to panic like that. Took me a moment to realize thus vote into unvote. I'm having a hard time piecing this game together. I really thought the claim made Blazinghand town but the way he's acting now doesn't look town at all. Look at how he's saying that "nothing is confirmed" and "you can't know about Superbia" when Superbia pretty much just modconfirmed two townies. It's not that he isn't right, it's that he's pushing uncertainty in the thread. Why, when it's like 99% probable that Superbia is town, does Blazinghand want us to remember the 1% chance that he isn't? Also Blazinghand has a high opinion of himself and he wants people to do what he says. Right now he's been up for lynch but everybody stopped wanting to lynch him, he's looking townier than every, what does he use this for? He's not pushing anything other than uncertainty, why isn't he pushing VayneAuthority or whoever else he thinks is scum? It's really hard to make a scum team right now, too little fits well and the liancourt lynch didn't really give me anything. Not a bad lynch but I just hadn't really paid much attention to him and he turned out to be not only a townie but a god damn fake claiming townie. Anyway, defensive roles on townies and offensive roles on scum. We don't need any heroes just play safe. Okay so he said that KSC was tunneled on him(prplhz) tells him to stop unless KSC is Mafia but his explaination of his Blazinghand vote is he thought Blazinghand was Mafia for his claim then unvotes him because he thought Mafia would be dumb to do that type of claim and yet he says Blazinghand doesn't look like town and said that Blazinghand shouldn't of had us remember that Superbia has a 1% chance of flipping Mafia. Also he complains that it's hard to make a Mafia because it's too well and lian's lynch said nothing well he should of start asking questions and crap to figure out who's mafia and who isn't. These next two quotes are him attacking KSC over the fact that KSC thinks prplhz is Mafia and saying it's ridiculous: On February 17 2015 11:49 prplhz wrote: You really are. Every time I post you make a post saying "this is scummy". That's tunneling because (and it appears that you agree) not everything I do is scummy. I had real life. Seriously, why do you think I disappeared and what did you think I'd answer to that question? It's stupid shit like that question that makes it's obvious that you're tunneling, just using whatever reason you can to yell at me. Short non-committal filter. Someone mentioned the poking in to talk about rules which I agree is scummy. He seems more at ease talking about setup stuff that reads. Also, no one would vote you and as Alakaslam and Blazinghand had pointed out, we were in a bad condition with no one really gaining traction for a lynch. You're also completely right I went with it partially also to see if it would "stick", if anything would come of it. I'm really not set in stone when I vote for someone, it's a very dynamic process for me. I haven't had much time today until now, trying to catch up on the thread. On February 17 2015 11:54 prplhz wrote: Things like these, jesus christ. First of all, I never said I dropped you entirely, I said I'd give you some pause because you were actually playing. Anyway, if I think you're scummy because of your entrance into the thread, does that mean I can never stop thinking that because you can never change your entrance? No, your entrance can be scummy and you can be town which would then show later. Your entrance was scummy, I still think that. I think that your sheer bullheaded activity makes other people better lynches for now. Do you mean to say that because I think something you do is scummy, I can never think something you do is townie? Because that's complete nonsense. I also did complain about your activity anyway. First he saying his excuse for inactivity was because of real life although if it's true he would of posted much more later but he didn't. Second he called Rayn out I think in the first quote for setup speculation and talking about rules as scummy but setup speculation should be considered null at best since we would know how the setup works based on the OP and reading the backstory of this setup. Third he attacks KSC calling his entrance scummy yet wanted to give a pause for a bit and saying that if he thought something he did call he never thinks something from KSC would townie is complete nonsense. This is pretty much my entire case on Prplhz being Mafia he haven't really done much scum hunting at all and letting others do it for him when he's a Vet player and he should know how to scum hunt at this stage in the game. ##Vote: Prplhz | ||
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On February 22 2015 06:59 LightningStrike wrote: Also rsoultin I know some Mafia members are willing to bus others because of towncred I mean who doesn't want free towncred if they lynch Mafia? Also sheep me baby AF girl! EBWOP: Fixed. | ||
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