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Lucky I check before sleeping. | ||
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ohh a boy can dream. | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:23 marvellosity wrote: I hope we're going to be best friends this game Koshi, purely for your pregame splurge. I am going to do completely nothing this game till D4. | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:24 marvellosity wrote: ah. so we're not. i may have to lynch you. no thx. | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:52 Eden1892 wrote: last 2 games he's been in with me, he opened up trolling until he found something worth pushing on this game? troll miller claim into scumread of Damdred for plausible reasons pattern recognition computer says town Thought you meant trolling about the Damdred read. Because that wouldn't add up. Back to doing nothing. | ||
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On February 04 2015 14:31 Onegu wrote: Well, I met an old man Dying on a train. No more destination, No more pain. Well, he said "One thing before I graduate Never let your fear decide your fate." I say ya kill your heroes and Fly, fly, baby don't cry. No need to worry cause Everybody will die. ##VOTE KOSHI I like the part where I am your hero. | ||
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On February 04 2015 18:00 sicklucker wrote: Hey koshi heys it feel being town again I had a minor feeling of being ok to roll scum right before I opened my role PM, first time ever. But rolling town is always best. Do you realize Eden is never going to get lynched today? | ||
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Just trowing that out there. | ||
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On February 04 2015 19:11 sicklucker wrote: its ok if hes mafia are veg will shoot him The vig should consider not shooting ever. 4ml before we lose. | ||
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With two bullets you should shoot always. | ||
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On February 04 2015 20:24 marvellosity wrote: all you did when you replaced me in Void was defend mafia, Koshi. so meh. I didn't defend a single mafia except sickluster. I just didn't vote on mafia. | ||
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I wonder if this was all intentional. | ||
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On February 04 2015 21:19 justanothertownie wrote: Not worrying in the slightest. I stayed up until 2 am yesterday and I have to work in the lab during the day. I am only here because of lunch and there is absolutely no way that I am able to catch up before I get home in the evening. Not everyone has a nice office job. My job also makes me sick. Some big shot German visited today and brought only 10 bars of chocolate. I had to scarf it down pretty fast before others saw it. And now my tummy hurts  | ||
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http://media.tumblr.com/ba5bc8cf02be72a99c7eaf153767b8b1/tumblr_inline_mhhzzelYkW1re4qc3.jpg And when they visit us they brings these German Ritter Sport chocolate + Show Spoiler + http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sxBJpVJnrsA/T19kAAzWlbI/AAAAAAAAAkA/mG7op57gxEo/s1600/Ritter_Sport_Chocolate.gif.png Good stuff. | ||
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On February 04 2015 22:30 Damdred wrote: I obviously don't have a perfect read on the game. Only have like three townies and two town leans right now but in this mess of kill damdred its hard for me to read everyone. Then why were you ok with getting lynched as long as rs,ls and bat were lynched after you? This not the same attitude like last game. Why is that? How do you feel this game? | ||
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On February 04 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote: @Koshi, not really ok with getting lynched but I know I probably am. I feel ok just got tunneled super early Why are you ok being tunneled in this pretty talented town, but felt miserable while being tunneled by the scrubs in last game? You even 100% townread the people tunneling you. It makes 0 sense. Work with me bro | ||
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On February 04 2015 22:59 Damdred wrote: Like its pretty obvious to me that Marv, Palmar are really towny. I think HF could be town, its just the feeling and read I have form him currently. It sucks but i'm not going to omgus them. Because last game I had 50 billion of the same question asked over and over and was super busy with life and was beign insulted constantly and the game was just toxic etc etc etc Not really true but ok, you might have thought that. I still don't like how you form your reads this game. Might want to use more words. | ||
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On February 05 2015 00:00 marvellosity wrote: hey koshi, why is rsoultin 100% town? Because she cares about this game and is trying to figure things out. Bad d1 lynch. | ||
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On February 05 2015 00:03 marvellosity wrote: I guess jat could be mafia? There's literally one line in his filter about Damdred and then nothing else of anything dnu He is being pretty lackluster. Maybe he is sad rolling scum twice in a row against me. I am not getting any mafia vibes from him though. | ||
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On February 05 2015 00:22 marvellosity wrote: well that's not 100% try saying what you mean. I work from day to day. | ||
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On February 05 2015 02:49 LightningStrike wrote: So you wont give me your thoughts of sicklucker and Damdred? Everybody and their mother already talked about Damdred. On what do you need my help? | ||
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^ Town Heroes | ||
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On February 04 2015 14:50 LightningStrike wrote: The funny thing about Breshke is that he gets my alignment wrong when he's scum when I'm town so that is something to consider for now. LS wtf is this? | ||
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Breshke is voting for you because your "reads are wrong". That doesn't alarm you? | ||
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On February 04 2015 14:50 LightningStrike wrote: The funny thing about Breshke is that he gets my alignment wrong when he's scum when I'm town so that is something to consider for now. Can you explain this please. I don't get it. | ||
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On February 05 2015 04:29 LightningStrike wrote: In NYE Mafia he opens pretty much calling me scum for not reacting to one of his posts then subtracts pretty fast afrter I reacted to it. In Metal Mini which was before NYE Mafia he was defending me pretty damn hard on my VT claim but this game he doesn't seem to do that. Here is Breshkes scum games I played with him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=Breshke http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474389-new-years-eve-party-mini-mafia?user=Breshke And here is his town games I played with him and tell what you think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475036-student-mafia-v?user=Breshke http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=Breshke http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=Breshke In the first game he took a very hard stance on you from basically nothing. VT claim into townread forever because you are a timid player. Second game he keeps you around as lynchbait probably because town thinks you are scum. Very funny how he is somewhere mad at somebody because that person went from scum to null on you. While Breshke himself was undecided on you. In the 2 first towngames he actually thinks about your alignment. Goes beyond the "badness" and looks at why you do things. So yeah. Breshke , explain this to me. 1) Which reads of LS were wrong? 2) Why did you think they were wrong? 3) Why does this make LS mafia? | ||
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On February 05 2015 05:41 justanothertownie wrote: Do you want me to post while I am reading? Because I can totally do that if you want. It will be annoying and I will say stuff that has already been said though. What pages do you still have to read? | ||
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On February 05 2015 05:49 Breshke wrote: his read on eden was the one that stood out. Ill explain it in 8 or so hours when i get home from work. You clearly were talking about multiple reads. On February 04 2015 13:55 Breshke wrote: Im voting LS You seem to not really be understanding what is going on in the thread. Also your reasons for scumreading people are either wrong or don't make sense. Vote LS Also, why would scum LS go completely against the thread? From reading your previous games you think LS is pretty timid. But this game as scum he goes balls to the wall crazy? | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:03 marvellosity wrote: I don't really want to lynch you atm anyway jat, I just like needling you. Maybe Breshke could be an ok lynch, but I'd have to actually read his filter and check out some past games which I can't really be bothered to do right now. They are in the thread......... | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote: Koshi here's my only game as scum and tell me if I ever went balls to the walls in that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike I can't get thread sentiment out of a filter... LS could YOU actually tell me stuff instead of letting ME do stuff. Did you do balls to the wall? Yes or No. Way easier. Thanks. I played voice mafia with you so I know you can actually think for yourself and give your opinion. | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:13 Eden1892 wrote: what was wrong with it? if it's the one I'm thinking of and the part of it I'm thinking of, I'm not worried about it Yes marv. Please explain yourself. | ||
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She is just teasing? | ||
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And Breshke is doing this defending of Damdred while not really giving reasons why Damdred is town thing. Fuck it. I am flying solo ##vote: Breshke | ||
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We are talking about SL now. | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:34 justanothertownie wrote: I am confused. Wasn't bats talking about SL and is voting Breshke? He means LS.... I was confuesd as well. | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:56 Breshke wrote: I agree on your points on LS but think it is totally possible he is town On February 04 2015 12:56 Breshke wrote: He also doesn't seem to be as engaged as he normally is | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:14 Breshke wrote: LS tries to use meta a lot which i believe he said he was going tot ry and stop but correct me if im wrong anyone he really isn't the type of person to go back and look at peoples games. He more uses it from games he has participated in or asking other players about peoples meta. So yes its bad he didn't go look at your town games but i don't think it is scummy ahh this. I didn't read this. I don't understand what he is saying. | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:45 marvellosity wrote: the fact koshi isn't just with me on damdred makes me feel better about that lynch. is that naughty of me? The right word is evul. | ||
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catching up on work now. | ||
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##vote JAT | ||
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How? | ||
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Yes. When he flips town we blame you guys. WHEN IT HAPPENS. Not IF IT HAPPENS | ||
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Which is exactly the reason why I need to be alive on D3 and further. | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:30 sicklucker wrote: THIS YOU JUST GOT BULLIED. NOTHING ACUALY CHANGED HE SAID DONT VOTE ME YOU SAID OK What? I didn't unvote him at all. | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:33 Eden1892 wrote: I'm not trolling. What has Koshi done this game? I can't help that so many people in this game aren't being clearly town. I have like 4 people I wouldn't lynch right now. I have done more than enough to not get plynched. | ||
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I typed words. | ||
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Who will catch them? Koshi will. | ||
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He hasn't done fuck all so I can't. | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:14 Onegu wrote: Because he is being lazy, and being scum... I wasn't lazy yesterday at all. Today I speedreaded 40 pages. I know everything. I just dont' have results. | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:14 sicklucker wrote: because hes probably a role No. Just No. | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:17 Onegu wrote: Then you should know I'm town and you don't... I doubt that. On what grounds? | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:17 justanothertownie wrote: Yes you do. You say stuff that makes no sense for no rhyme or reason. You even make shit up that is completely and provably untrue. No, it is not. You literally just played against me as mafia and I did nothing of this sort. What the hell? Yep, nothing changed. There was no case on me - there still is no case on me. When I was voting you N2 you were bullying me so yeah, you did. | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:21 Onegu wrote: The grounds I claimed VT. Plus you should know me. No offense but I don't recall your play tbh. Am I an Onegu reader? | ||
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You were. I asked Artanis to get you modkilled but alas. | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:23 Eden1892 wrote: Koshi why are you so null this game compared to Imperial where you were obv town? Because I can? | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:26 Eden1892 wrote: But why would you? I played you once as mafia and once as town. You were active and involved in Imperial and flipped town. You were inactive and detached in Melee Mini and were mafia. Why should I pattern match you to anything but mafia right now? Well. I can be mediocre D1 as well. Depends on how involved I am. Which I am not because I didn't follow the thread this morning. Life is hard. | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:27 justanothertownie wrote: Because I still have like 30 pages to read. When do you not have pages to read? YEsterday you had to read 10 pages even though you were active in the last 5 of them? | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:32 Eden1892 wrote: So why shouldn't I think you're mafia? You can be mediocre d1, but am I supposed to think you are town? Sure. Just don't vote me. | ||
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dnu I just want to be sure I won't be lynched. | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:44 marvellosity wrote: you've not done much worth protecting i'm afraid Cold. I shall remember this. | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:47 LightningStrike wrote: Then show how townie you are to other people lol.......... I need time to mindmelt with the thread first. | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:50 rsoultin wrote: dude there is no way. im in briefings all day right up to an hour before lynch. prob will just sheep eden. Terrible idea. Terrible. Just pick somebody on your scumlist that isn't me. | ||
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On February 06 2015 04:18 Holyflare wrote: how do all these people that have done absolutely nothing and aren't ever around have so many pages of filter I don't understand :o Very detailed. | ||
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Yes and? | ||
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On February 06 2015 04:28 Holyflare wrote: it's quite evident who i'm talking about when I made that statement, palmar hasn't really done anything and has a lot of pages, you've done shit all and have a lot of pages, I don't remember jat doing anything and he has loads of pages, rsoul has been pretty forgettable but has loads of pages still good chance mafia is one if not more of you 4 Meh true. I might have been too fast on rsoultin. Her last passage was just telling us she might come back if it serves her agenda. | ||
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On February 06 2015 04:42 sicklucker wrote: Cool bro? So do I vote her? I would like to know who among my scum reads the vote is most likely to go on so I can go have a nap Vote JAT | ||
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Tempting. Let me check filter once more. | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:39 Breshke wrote: I dont really remember the questions but koshi LS read on eden was super bs to me at the time. Yeah it was a standard LS meta read which is actually townie for him but when i was trying to present him with proper information that eden wasn't trolling he didn't seem to be responding to it or changing his mind. Yes your right when you say i see LS as a timid player so him going balls to the wall was actually townie in retrospect but at the time it came of to me that he was just grasping for reasons to scumread someone and when i tried to explain to him that that reason was wrong he didn't take it on board which i expect LS to do as he wrongfully values his own reads very low so is normally very likely to listen to others. This was another read that seemed wrong to me but rereading it im not actually sure if he is agreeing or disagreeing with damdred Looking back on it LS is probably town especially with his vt claim even though its meh. He has also started apologizing a lot which gives me bad vibes but i don't actually think that's relevant. Ill start doing a proper catch up read soon ive only skimmed stuff on my short breaks at work Can somebody smart tell the reason why Breshke made this post? | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:55 Breshke wrote: Im voting LS You seem to not really be understanding what is going on in the thread. Also your reasons for scumreading people are either wrong or don't make sense. Vote LS Complete backtrack from what he said earlier. | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:13 marvellosity wrote: looks like he was answering a question you asked him His answers to my questions 3 was basically: "lol, I was wrong nvm me, you were right, kthxbye." and then he voted JAT. | ||
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I totes town. Are you totes town? Because it is time for panicking otherwise. | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:02 Holyflare wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/E7fPnKy.jpg) This is hilarious. Will be copied. | ||
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I am going to sheep. ##unvote ##vote Onegu | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:55 Breshke wrote: Im really conflicted about onegu. The way he combated my scum read on LS feels kinda townie like he but i don't like that he only brings it up when other people are talking about me and accepted the explanation from rsoultin when i tried to explain the same thing but he just ignored me. I'm trying to decide between him and SL Then why was he on this list? On February 05 2015 21:06 Breshke wrote: Marv can you pick the towniest person out of this list for me 3 rsoultin 5 Onegu 7 Palmar 10 batsnacks 12 Holyflare 13 justanothertownie | ||
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That was a PoE list with all your scumreads. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:10 Onegu wrote: But Koshi mafia for reals will attempt to prove. Now I fucking know who you are. You always make cases on me when you are scum. Like in teh game you were scum with rayn. And I am sure there was another one. Please proceed. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:12 Breshke wrote: Ive never seen onegu before is he normally like this? He doesn't seem like he is trying to survive which make me think he isnt mafia Are you also on pain meds? | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:35 Onegu wrote: First thing that caught my attention was how he didn't remember me as scum as in ## all I did was replace in then tunnel him with a terrible case that marv slammed me. And then in Neat & Tidy he had me as town going into mylo before I stupidly shot him. Second I do expect more from him, people shouldn't expect much from me. His interactions with Damdred seem to be not reading and not clear as Damdred explains himself and Koshi still asks him repete questions. Then brerkhe or however his name is spelled gets a quick two votes on him and Koshi quickly goes to pressure him with very little. Notice a pattern he only sheeps his reads once people get pressure. Then again pressure off of Brekshe and onto JAT, Koshi flips his read on to the current popular choice. Once more I get pressure And off JAT and onto me. Koshi hasn't had a orginal read this entire game. Hasn't made a orginal push this entire game. Sheep my sheep My push on Breshke was original. And how am I mafia for forgetting about the games we played? | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:38 Onegu wrote: No it wasn't bats was on there first, followed by me. You don't push people until they already have pressure. Please show me your case on Breshke. Or bats. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:39 Onegu wrote: And I'm not calling you mafia for forgetting me just saying it made me look at you closer because I did hard tunnel you. Are you scumslipping? So you looked closer at me because I didn't recall a game in which you were mafia and you were tunneling me? | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:40 Eden1892 wrote: For someone like Koshi who's supposed to be super good at town and be able to find stuff on its own? Yeah it's more than a little alarming that Koshi hasn't had an original push all game (except he claims maybe Breshke, but Koshi didn't even push that very hard from what I remember? someone falsify this if I'm wrong) Idk I kinda like this. You are wrong. | ||
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He just said I am scummy for not remembering a game in which he was scum and relate it to this game. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:41 Eden1892 wrote: He's not even citing that as a point against you. That was literally a preface of his suspicion of you. What are you even doing WHAT? So he thinks I am scum because I don't remind a game in which he was scum and tunneling me LIKE HE IS DOING THIS GAME????????? | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:43 Eden1892 wrote: Yeah final answer is Koshi. If I'm wrong lol I've obviously been a donkey today. But I really don't think this is town Koshi. I'm used to so much more effort and care from him from when I've seen him play town. This guy cares way too much about the town side of the game to airmail today like this IMO ##VOTE: Koshi No fucking way. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote: Should I trust the case on Koshi or not? This is my first time playing with Koshi tbh with you but I saw him in Void Mafia but he didn't do much other than defend scum!sicklucker and not voting mafia. Please don't bro... | ||
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Once more I like your great reasoning. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:54 sicklucker wrote: Wtf koshi why are you voting me? Cuz I don't want to die to some random guy voting me. I will change to Onegu if I can. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:59 marvellosity wrote: if me/palmar/hf think the same it's an ok lynch I don't want to. Sorry. | ||
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He played terrible. | ||
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Always true. Always town. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:49 Eden1892 wrote: Although I still lynched Onegu over Koshi which was seeped in chupazi I am town broski. | ||
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Seriously. Do not shoot the target the thread wants you to shoot Breshke. Which is me. There is a 0% chance that scum does not have a RB against a fucking 2 shot vig. IF THEY KNOW 100% YOU WILL SHOOT TOWN YOU WILL GET RB. REMEMBER. | ||
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On February 06 2015 17:31 Breshke wrote: Why would i get RB if im going to shoot town will = wont | ||
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Everybody knows I get more readable over time. EVERYBODY. Normally I always got time till D2 to proof I am town because in that time it was obvious. Now all these vets are calling a shot on me???? While it makes 0 sense to let mafia know who to shoot. Why are they not taking the 48 extra hours and be sure on me? Marv/HF/Eden are not fucking confirmed town. Marv claim was believable but the 4 wagons on D1 being town SPEAKS STRONGLY against marv town. | ||
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Right before Lynch Eden also calls JAT town, now suddenly JAT needs to be vigged??? | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:54 Eden1892 wrote: updating 1 Breshke 2 Eden1892 3 rsoultin 4 LightningStrike 5 Onegu 6 Damdred 7 Palmar 8 marvellosity 9 sicklucker 10 batsnacks 11 Koshi 12 Holyflare 13 justanothertownie I have a mind to lynch Palmar next for being afk as much as he is. It's been one day so it's hard to know how much of that is just irl stuff and how much is actual lurking, but he seems less active than normal. Even when he's not trying to do a lot he's usually in the thread. His absence here is a little much. Kinda feel like batsnacks is an okay lynch maybe? I don't remember off the top of my head what he's done this game. Koshi is mostly the same. I remember both batsnacks and Koshi posting JAT I could just be paranoid on, but I really feel like he isn't doing a lot. He managed to boost his filter size up to snuff, but I don't feel like he's said/done a whole lot for its length. On February 06 2015 07:30 Eden1892 wrote: It is this simple, People who tried hard enough to earn a d2 (or more, as the case may be) Damdred sicklucker Breshke justanothertownie People who didn't Koshi Onegu On February 06 2015 09:14 Eden1892 wrote: yeah yeah kiss the ring for being wrong about like 3 ppl i defended and we'll call it square  Can somebody show me why and where Eden flips his read on sl? He flipped reads 500 times this game but this one is the oddest I think. Out of all people I think Eden called SL mafia the most consistently. Yet I don't remember Eden pushing SL at all. Ever. | ||
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7 vs 3 6 vs 2 nk +vig 5 vs 2 ml 2 4 vs 2 nk 3 vs 2 ml 3 2 vs 2 loss after nk worst scenario vigi: 7 vs 3 5 vs 3 nk + vigi 4 vs 3 ml 2 3 vs 3 loss after nk No shot vigi: 7 vs 3 6 vs 3 nk 5 vs 3 ml 2 4 vs 3 nk 3 vs 3 loss after ml 3 Why would vigi shoot if it doesn't gain us a ml? And saying during the night it "confirms" breshke if he shoots smells of pushing mafia agenda. Because 1) he might be scum vigi (would be very dumb to claim unless you can magically shoot town and thread approves, which is happening so yeah....) 2) he might be rb (does this then make him suddenly scum?) and tbh if he doesn't shoot and there is no blue CC he is probably town ANYWAY. + the claim would be pretty insane mafia play. So yeah, he is very likely town. So saying he is confirmed town for shooting is really bad. | ||
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On February 06 2015 18:27 Eden1892 wrote: So this is actually another great reason for why Koshi is mafia. Palmar if you're town you'll dig this pretty hard. Koshi isn't being sincere at all in his questioning. He's not trying to understand why my read on SL changed. Koshi was around at EOD to hear me repeat myself about SL being a distraction lynch. Instead of questioning me on that, he's resorted to digging through my very long filter, finding a post where I believed SL to be mafia, and then he's trying to frame it as negatively as possible. It's very disingenuous. And he is selectively ignoring arguments he can't respond to, like the filter length argument. This guy is a fraud. 1) I ask you to tell me why your read changed. How am I not trying to understand? On February 06 2015 17:53 Koshi wrote: Can somebody show me why and where Eden flips his read on sl? He flipped reads 500 times this game but this one is the oddest I think. Out of all people I think Eden called SL mafia the most consistently. Yet I don't remember Eden pushing SL at all. Ever. 2) I am scumhunting. That is looking for oddities. I was around when you were yelling SL was a distraction lynch. BUT that was just to get me or Onegu lynched. THAT DOES NOT COUNT. Look at me: I am protecting town to lynch these other 2 townies. GJ EDEN 3) Mostly I have 3 pages of filter as scum D1 and then 6 pages after D3. So I am now confirmed town to you? | ||
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On February 06 2015 18:31 Eden1892 wrote: He would shoot if he felt he had a chance to hit mafia, naturally. You'll notice no one recommended he shoot until people (me and HF) got confident in our suspects. Breshke would be confirmed as town vig if he shot mafia. It's pretty simple. If he hits a townie then he's unconfirmed naturally, although I think setup speculation would still favor town vig. (Antitown role in miller + something as strong as scum vig? We better be sitting on some damn haymaker roles.) But incidentally this is another good example of Koshi approaching this from a mafia POV. He makes a decent point that Breshke isn't absolutely confirmed just because he shoots, but instead of recognizing this as an oversight, he immediately reaches for the most sinister conclusion he can. He's not earnestly trying to determine any alignments, he's just trying to turn any mole hill he can latch onto into a mountain. No? I am proving that people who push breshke for shooting to "confirm" himself are fucking frauds. Because it is pretty clear he is town from the claim itself. Eden confirmed not reading or mafia. | ||
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On February 06 2015 18:40 Holyflare wrote: Setup setup setup talk at n1. Content plz. Since you're literally both saying mafia 100% has a rber you are talking about absolutely nothing It is important because you fuckers want to shoot me. | ||
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On February 06 2015 18:40 Holyflare wrote: Setup setup setup talk at n1. Content plz. Since you're literally both saying mafia 100% has a rber you are talking about absolutely nothing This guy has 0 problems with vigi shooting town. | ||
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On February 06 2015 18:42 Holyflare wrote: No we want to shoot into a list and you've done shit all all game and literally said "this is what happens when i don't play" and instead of find mafia you've somehow come to the conclusion the towniest people are the mafia and somehow ignore absolutely everyone else in the game Why exactly are you town? | ||
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On February 06 2015 18:43 Eden1892 wrote: (1) is pretty obvious to me from this quote: That's not "asking me why my read changed" to "try to understand." That's a pithy, sarcastic one-liner that makes no effort to advance the conversation. I had to go back and basically repeat myself and find the quote you should have found for yourself (if you were going to go filter-dive me for pertinent quotes). You aren't trying to understand my read, you're very clearly trying to paint my indecisiveness about SL for most of the day as suspicious. (2) You aren't town, so I don't really find this rebuttal compelling. (3) No, because as I actually discussed in this thread already, ironically (though it's understandable if you missed it, it was a sidenote), that doesn't account for the activity level of the other threads. I only used a flat rate with my numbers because the discrepancy is so painfully apparent that you'd have to be incompetent or malevolent not to recognize it for what it is. (1) Because it is suspicious. (2) Keep being terrible. (3) See (2) | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:54 rsoultin wrote: try to be back before eod Might be back if it serves my agenda. On February 06 2015 06:55 rsoultin wrote: eden, why youre voting as you are and who youd be voting in a perfect world where only youre vote mattered if its any differebt please. would also appreciate cliff notes but not holding my breath Why would she want to sheep and have cliff notes? Doesn't make sense. On February 06 2015 07:39 rsoultin wrote: I'm trying to figure out what Eden's doing since I don't have the time to read and decide for myself >< Does this matter? Again look at this entire chain. If you want to sheep, sheep. On February 06 2015 07:54 rsoultin wrote: You sure this time, Eden? DOES IT MATTER? It's 6 minutes before deadline. She was clearly around. She can jump around another 50485467 times if needed. This is a perfect example of a scum trying to keep their hands off the town lynch. | ||
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On February 06 2015 19:29 marvellosity wrote: i can't really be bothered to play anymore, so maybe you should shoot me Tell the thread I am town first pls. | ||
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On February 06 2015 19:33 marvellosity wrote: you used to actually do things, koshi. it's really sad. 1 day. 1 day. Why do I get blamed for not doing something 1 day? | ||
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On February 06 2015 19:36 marvellosity wrote: you've been doing it more and more. you used to just play hard, all the time. now i often see this type of excuse that you're not going to do much. why don't you just... do things all the time? Because since I came back I died twice N1 and once N2 only because I replaced end D1... I like to actually have some time to be right for once. | ||
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On February 06 2015 19:36 Palmar wrote: I was super confident in sicklucker being town. Although the real reason I'm quoting this is that I want everyone to not forget that I am town. Yes very townie. | ||
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On February 06 2015 19:37 Palmar wrote: Just a random thought, how much have jat and HF talked to each other this game? Good thought. | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:27 justanothertownie wrote: Because I still have like 30 pages to read. On February 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote: How can you be so sure about that? What? On February 06 2015 08:24 justanothertownie wrote: Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. On February 06 2015 18:41 justanothertownie wrote: Really? There is no way this guy is town. These are all quotes between JAT and HF that aren't sarcastic nothings. Never a second reply or longer chain. | ||
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On February 06 2015 19:39 Breshke wrote: Koshi why was my claim so townie to make you flip on me and not doubt me I am a sucker for blue claims. It is a weakness. Also I instantly agreed with you that you shouldn't shoot. So it made it even more believable. | ||
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On February 06 2015 19:43 marvellosity wrote: I think Eden is going to throw this game for town. I feel it in my bones. A+ Townpile Marv for president. | ||
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On February 06 2015 19:46 Palmar wrote: Oh, we're also gonna have another blueclaim or even two tomorrow. So there's that. There is only 1 more role that is possible imo. | ||
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On February 06 2015 19:45 marvellosity wrote: Mafia are kinda in a tricky spot with who to shoot. I think Eden dying would be quite good for town. If I die then my thoughts are legitimised. If any of the other high profile players die, then that removes them from the suspect pool. So what are they going to do? rb + shoot breshke. Unless he shoots me. Then shoot Breshke. | ||
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On February 06 2015 19:46 Palmar wrote: Why did the JAT wagon disintegrate btw? I wasn't around for that part. When I left we were going strong on it? Hmmmmmmmmmm. I am looking but it is only Eden kinda pushing it away. I am against it but it is again only Eden yelling at me. | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:32 sicklucker wrote: Im leaning town on koshi. And im open to a small possibility that edens trolling us by voting everyone in a day Listen to the death. | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:18 LightningStrike wrote: Okay JAT isn't good to lynch today and I back at square 1 except it's possible Breshke and sicklucker would be mafia but I don't have a case on them. This guy | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:39 batsnacks wrote: Too much seamen imo This is actually funny but wasn't the first thing I thought off when they flipped. And I am the seaman master. par marv. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:39 batsnacks wrote: Too much seamen imo Also. Scum was probably sad when they saw no blue flips. So scum batsnacks is just telling his feelings here and it becomes a joke. | ||
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On February 06 2015 20:20 marvellosity wrote: maybe. still not getting scum off it though :x My senses are tingling though. That comment about too much seamen is just perfect for scum to make. | ||
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On February 06 2015 14:45 Breshke wrote: So even if we add marv to the list but take out RSo and bats cos of townreads we are elft with Koshi JAT Palmar Marv If they dont have a RB we can kill all these people. I think marv is town but i get that he is a good player and im sure when he is motivated to play scum he does it well. Eden why is hf town? I was blinded by seeing my name as first that I didn't even see how terrible that list is. Add HF Add RSo Add batsnacks Thx | ||
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On February 06 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote: pretty tempting to hedge all bets and lynch rsoultin tomorrow because if we're honest, if rsoultin is town, then the game is 100% over anyway Not really but sure. | ||
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I meant it doesn't convince me that Palmar is town. | ||
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On February 06 2015 21:53 batsnacks wrote: You called me scum. You think marv's read on palmar is bad though? It think it is the worst read since Adam trusted Eve around an apple tree. | ||
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On February 06 2015 21:53 batsnacks wrote: You called me scum. You think marv's read on palmar is bad though? Why did you asks these question? | ||
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On February 06 2015 22:13 rsoultin wrote: marv, what are you smoking to think that koshi is town? I just got him mislynched a couple games ago, and he was actually trying to still find scum, not doing this hissy fit thing he's doing this game. What is this monstrosity? I don't even know where to begin. | ||
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On February 06 2015 22:28 rsoultin wrote: Weren't you in student with me, DP and geript? No. | ||
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On February 06 2015 22:37 justanothertownie wrote: Why would a scum make this mistake then? Scummers gonna type bullshit anyway, why not make it totally ridiculous. | ||
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It actually makes perfect sense. If you are scum and you got to make stuff up and you know it is shit then you won't double check anything. If you are town and you are legitimately trying to find scum you don't type horrendous bullshit like this. It's impossible. | ||
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On February 06 2015 22:48 LightningStrike wrote: I woke up and saw everyone go at and the fact that shooting rsoultin would make everything clear on the scum team is kind of interesting o.o Koshi if you around can I get your reads? HF, JAT, Batsnacks, rs mafia. You are my bench mafia. Breshke I am not lynching till lylo. Which shouldn't be tomorrow. | ||
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On February 06 2015 22:50 justanothertownie wrote: Bats is acting confident, not giving a fuck what other people think about him and also pushing his own scumreads. He is like 3/3 on his towntells. 1) He has/had (who actually knows?) 1 scumread. And that guy just claimed vig. 2) He voted sicklucker. So he wasn't town on him at all. So he is at best 2/4. Why are you misrepresenting bats? | ||
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On February 07 2015 00:20 marvellosity wrote: how as either alignment?? why is it "impossible" for town but very possible for mafia? it's just nonsense Mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh What a world if she thinks I am LM... How does she thinks I am the same guy that she pushed in a game not so long ago who had a 3 page filter. That's just not possible. You can forget somebody, or something, or slightly misremember something. But this is like thinking you climbed the Mt Everest while in reality you took an elevator down to the garage in a shopping mall. I don't know the mafia mindset except idgaf. But I don't see how a townie can make the mistake. | ||
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On February 07 2015 00:28 batsnacks wrote: Koshi do you think rs mistaking you for someone else is the scummiest thing about her? No but it doesn't help. | ||
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Balance was greatly in favor of town. It should have been a 1 shot vig and an unaware miller to make it more balanced without changing the game set-up too much. A rb on scum would also have worked, but it would still be in favor of town because it isn't standard that the vigi claims D1. The reason why a 2-shot vigi is so strong is because town gets 2 extra lynches/information during the night. This means this town got a copcheck and a vigi shot for the first 2 nights. This is way too much. It could also be balanced with a 1shot vigi on both teams. The miller then could have been made aware. An aware miller counts for a town role. Or practically 0.75 town role, but in theory you should just count it as a full town role. Making it 3 vs 2 in the power role count. Hosts also need to balance their games around the amount of ml needed. In this normal town there is a scenario that town loses after 5 ml and need only 3 correct lynches... This doesn't make sense. Especially with all the information roles they have. There are 10 townies and 3 have roles, that leaves 7 people and town can ml 4 out of those without losing? That's a big no. | ||
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On February 11 2015 23:18 Half the Sky wrote: You were vehement in obs and scum QT, but whatever you say, please take this into account when you comment: Artanis is horrible in balancing games, most people on the balance committee are. This is a cold fact. You can't even argue this fact with me because I would just laugh your arguments away. Almost everything Artanis wrote there is dismissable by other mechanics in this game. For starters. He uses 7 vs 2 as a standard for small games but that is standard for minis, why he starts balancing a normal small game starting from a mini is beyond me but ok... He also forgets that the this mini standard only works with a doc. The reason why it is a doc is that a docsafe doesn't change the amount of ml needed, it only gives information, so it is just a mechanic that scum needs to work around. This game wasn't a mini, it was a small game. the standard for small games is 9 vs 3. This means 3 ml and loss for town, but most of the times a doc/veteran/jailer/rb is added into the mix to change it to a 4 ml set-up. With the rb/jailer also being able to stop the scum nk. So a 9 vs 3 set-up with one of the above roles is balanced. Maybe slightly in favor of scum. Let's say 55% Now every game should start with a 9 vs 3 set-up and 1 protection role. Veteran/rb being the weak protection roles, doc/jailer standard. You also have to understand that each extra role added is good for town. Because being able to claim a role is very strong. Especially if it is a role scum can't leave alive. Every town role = a smaller lynchpool. Now if we look how this game deviated from that: cop vs framer (town favored because extra roles, this is slightly town favored) +1 townie vs 2 shot vig (wtfbbq town favored) * aware miller (town favored) * why +1 townie vs 1 shot vig is already townfavored: Some host add a vigi because they run a 10 vs 3 set-up instead of a 9 vs 3 set-up. The +1 townie is slightly scumfavored because how bigger the game gets the easier it is for scum to hide, but the 1 shot vigi negates this effect completely because town now gets the power to shoot a townie at will. So the +1 townie added in the set-up just means that the worst townie will get shot during the night, while the +1 townie might be a total boss. Artanis also believes that a town shooting 2 towns is equally balanced as a doc saving one person. But this is already not true. A town vigi shooting 2 towns is way better for town than a doc saving 1 town. A doc saving 1 town means that town sentiment is correct, the saved townie is important. a town vigi shooting 2 towns is so much better for town because they know they are wrong and their lynchpool gets way smaller. It is insane information. So many games are lost because towns cannot adept their view on the game and mafia can shoot the smart townies away, with a 2 shot vig the mafia nk gets way less valuable. What I want to say is that a 9 vs 3 game with a 2 shot vig isn't terrible. It just makes for a faster game if town is totally wrong. Making it 10 vs 3 and a 2 shot vig so that town can always have 3 ml just proves to me that Artanis is pretty terrible at balancing the game because he doesn't understand how roles and extra information works. I think that is everything I need to write about the balance of this game. Summary of my 2 posts: 1) Town players played very strong, even with a balanced set-up scum might have lost (75%). I would have been shot anyway because a 1 shot vig is balanced. I was impressed by this town. Kuddos. 2) Hosts need to learn how to balance their games. It just makes me feel better if something very simple is done right, instead of horribly wrong. This game was NOT balanced. 3) I am a fan of anything Artanis does except his balancing. | ||
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On February 12 2015 00:21 Half the Sky wrote: What are your thoughts on the alternative setup that I would have used? Any better or no? Town: 1-shot vig, with a nerfed medic (no protection 2 nights in a row) v scum RB. If you play 10 vs 3 this is pretty ok. 1 shot vig negates the +1 townie and gives the power to town on who to shoot. 1 medic save would then again give town a 4ml before loss game. Scum RB negates the ability for a town lynchbait to simply claim the role and get away with it. So the vigi/doc can't save themselves from the lynch and still be able to shoot/save. I call this setup slightly in favor of scum because scum can rb medic. You add notifications of RB to balance this, because getting rb on N1 mostly indicates this person is town. But not always obviously. | ||
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On February 12 2015 00:27 kitaman27 wrote: Kinda off topic, but C9++ has town winning 15% more often than mafia based on the mafia scum statistics so it probably shouldn't be considered as some type of standard. 42.5 vs 57.5 isn't bad if you rng everything. Roles are insane hard to balance. And C9++ can have a lot. | ||
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On February 12 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote: Last question on balance for you Koshi - notification balances, do hosts tend to split up save or RB notifications to help with balance? I mean if you tell a scummer or a town that they were saved or even tracked (if a tracker obv applied) or something, that could spoil things, I dunno... More information = better for town. Notifications can be really strong, so don't take them lightly. For example letting both doc/saved person know they are saved is pretty insane. But if scum knows this, they need to play around it. Which might be a serious pain in the ass. Being tracked or watched is never notified. | ||
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