Horn of Africa Mini Mafia

On February 04 2015 08:15 rsoultin wrote:


Nevermind lol. We can all be millers.

On February 04 2015 08:17 Eden1892 wrote:
can anyone link me to a 13p game which had more than one miller in it

On February 04 2015 09:09 LightningStrike wrote:

The last two times I played with you, you were sarcastic and trolling as scum I guess I can see the pattern in your play.
##Vote: Eden1892

On February 04 2015 09:40 rsoultin wrote:


I can get the play from Eden, though I don't like fake-claims in general, so probably town.

Palmar I have no idea. I think I've only seen him play on weekends and as PYP king. He seemed pretty excited about his "magic trick" though.

Marv probably is.

On February 04 2015 09:42 sicklucker wrote:
Koshi actually tried to play a shit town last game. He ended up trying because town was shit and he had no choice.
If hes mafia hes not gonna come out blantantly and say hes not trying and pray Im good enough to town read him off of last game meta.

Its the same as me coming out and saying im not trying. I dont do this as mafia because I like to win as mafia I dont really care if I win as town

On February 04 2015 09:43 sicklucker wrote:


Goes for the "easy" mislynches

On February 04 2015 10:22 Holyflare wrote:


why is that?

On February 04 2015 10:26 Holyflare wrote:


the latter obviously since it's the odd phrase in the sentence

On February 04 2015 10:23 Damdred wrote:
Breshke, (btw your name is in my phones auto correct now lol) Marv Eden and Palmar are all really towny.

Jays town probably to, rs isn't.

On February 04 2015 10:42 Damdred wrote:
Just lynch rs ls then bats.

On February 04 2015 10:46 sicklucker wrote:


thats a great question answer dat. Jats filter is like below batssnack in expectations

On February 04 2015 10:33 Damdred wrote:


Mostly just tone read, he's more s town lean atm

On February 04 2015 11:06 sicklucker wrote:
Well if he didnt I sapose I have no reason then so im not gonna make another one up. But I do think the people who think hes mafia are town

On February 04 2015 11:29 rsoultin wrote:


I actually kind of understand why he asked Eden the question about marv, out-of-context, because on the surface it is strange to call Marv scum then put him as top town.

Then it looked like Palmar was stretching his read a bit, since he'd predicted Damdred would do certain things (change his tone, wait awhile to come back to the thread, etc.) but Damdred didn't intimate that Palmar was scum like Palmar predicted. So I wasn't really feeling the lynch.

It was his exchange with and about marv that just made me eh. He keeps on disappearing from the thread or changing the topic instead of just answering the question.

As for LS...he defends me anyway so I'm not sure what to make of it. It is kind of weird that he hasn't posted more.

On February 04 2015 11:32 rsoultin wrote:


Maybe? The disappearances, sure, but if changing the topic is a coincidence, it's a convenient one. He's been addressing everything else.

On February 04 2015 11:37 rsoultin wrote:


I'm not a fan of SL's posting, but I can't read him worth shit -_-

On February 04 2015 11:46 rsoultin wrote:


I was the only one reading Damdred wrong last game. Everyone else had him as town except for scum!Eden and scum!HF, and they were just sheeping me.

On February 04 2015 12:59 rsoultin wrote:


Bresh, do you have any scumreads right now?

On February 04 2015 13:09 Eden1892 wrote:

I was intermittently trolling in Linux and very sparsely trolling in NYE.

The problem is that I troll at least a little bit in every game. I trolled the shit out of Hammertime d1. I fuckin drunkposted like Lindsey Lohan the first like 6 hours or so of that game. I trolled to start here by fakeclaiming miller just to do it and managed to improvise it into something resembling a legit play. I didn't troll in Imperial but that's probably just because I was fresh off of a hiatus and had something to prove to myself. I trolled the whole game in World Heavyweight as town and then shit the bed at LYLO and I trolled to start Melee Mini with a similar play as in this game.

"Eden trolled at some point" is a terrible meta read, and even if LS uses meta too much there's still two problems with his use here:
- He clearly didn't actually check it against prior games when I was town. If you're going to run a meta case saying "ABC did XYZ and ABC does XYZ when ABC is mafia," you should probably make sure ABC doesn't also do XYZ as town.
- By the time he actually posted I had long since stopped trolling and had been ?arguably? the most productive player in the thread so far, certainly in the top 3 somewhere. So LS's read wasn't even correct. At no point from the time he posted it was it ever actually an accurate read.

On February 04 2015 13:12 LightningStrike wrote:

So far seems to be Eden possible scum but it just might be paranoia on my part and I did unvote him since I can't get a train going. Damdred Null leaning his actions early were pretty questionable to how he normally plays but he seemed to look better for now. Sicklucker might be town but the last time I gave him a free pass on Day 1 he was scum I will have to hold off on that for now. Marv and Palmar are town since they made a decent case on Damdred being scum and followed up on it. JAT is most likely town he doesn't seem to be like a dick like he was when he was scum in Void Mafia. HF null I only played with him as scum only seemed him as town for 1 game but I can't tell the difference for now. Bats null he made to little posts for me to read him correctly. Onegu might be possible town but I never played with him before but he got a couple good questions but his filter length is pretty small too. Breshke town he asking lots of questions about me like he did in Student V and trying to make a meta case on me being scum.

On February 04 2015 13:18 rsoultin wrote:


It's as simple as Damdred made some strange comments and then appearing to be deliberately avoiding the question. I have no reason to scumread him otherwise because I really don't see what the big deal was about him questioning Eden's list.

On February 04 2015 13:28 rsoultin wrote:


Obviously not? He came back in and explained his comments later, and they made sense.

On February 04 2015 13:42 LightningStrike wrote:

Maybe to bait out blues? Like that the only thing I can think of and it's horrible play to try to hunt blues as town. Like the last time I seen someone blue hunt other than me they were Mafia (KSC in Carol)

On February 04 2015 13:45 LightningStrike wrote:

It just how I thought of it because I don't see a reason to claim Miller and the fact that we don't know if we are Miller as it said in the role post.

On February 04 2015 13:58 Onegu wrote:



But to be fair that is totally how I caught Rayn in Witchcraft 2.

On February 04 2015 14:03 Onegu wrote:



Except I did try to explain my read and it was pointed out the reason was wrong...

On February 04 2015 18:21 Koshi wrote:
If I was not being a sheep I would totally start a wagon on breshke.

Just trowing that out there.

On February 04 2015 19:36 marvellosity wrote:

yes, and it's not a thing town Damdred would be saying.

On February 05 2015 05:35 Koshi wrote:

In the first game he took a very hard stance on you from basically nothing. VT claim into townread forever because you are a timid player.
Second game he keeps you around as lynchbait probably because town thinks you are scum. Very funny how he is somewhere mad at somebody because that person went from scum to null on you. While Breshke himself was undecided on you.
In the 2 first towngames he actually thinks about your alignment. Goes beyond the "badness" and looks at why you do things.

So yeah. Breshke , explain this to me.
1) Which reads of LS were wrong?
2) Why did you think they were wrong?
3) Why does this make LS mafia?

On February 04 2015 10:07 LightningStrike wrote:

She does this as town are you smoking weed today?

On February 05 2015 12:59 Eden1892 wrote:
RETRACTION: I read batsnacks' filter and he's just inactive town imo

On February 05 2015 09:23 Damdred wrote:


I thought iws 100% confirmed mafia to you <.<.Nobody would listen to me when I started making points on rs just kept calling me mafia and you don't even respond to what I post.

On February 05 2015 20:24 sicklucker wrote:


marv eden

On February 05 2015 21:09 marvellosity wrote:

not very easily

I think Palmar-bats-HF are townier than the other 3, if that's any help

On February 06 2015 05:15 Koshi wrote:
It looks good from the outside but if you compare it to why he voted SL:

Complete backtrack from what he said earlier.

On February 06 2015 06:03 Breshke wrote:
Why do you ping me out for voting you when SL was but then list me and koshi on your would lynch list when a lot of what koshi has been doing is pressuring/throwing scum on me

On February 06 2015 06:04 justanothertownie wrote:

Because I am not a fan of associative reads in general and also SL really likes to bus for example.

On February 06 2015 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:

What?

On February 06 2015 06:11 Eden1892 wrote:

I am so close to copping out and doing this because fuck it, but I feel like town SL can do literally everything he's done itt

On February 06 2015 06:15 justanothertownie wrote:

Why did you vote me?

On February 06 2015 06:56 sicklucker wrote:


ya im at the top of the list thats all I looked at... . Then I had to go to thread and say my thought about how scummy you are

On February 04 2015 13:56 Onegu wrote:



Then why aren't you voteing me I just said my reason for scum reading rsoultin was a feeling lol

On February 04 2015 14:00 Onegu wrote:



This is true, but his reason for voteing LS applies to me, so why give me a town read and LS a scum read?

On February 04 2015 14:01 Breshke wrote:



I cant say your feeling is wrong or that it doesn't make sense. LS has tried to explain his reads.

On February 04 2015 14:03 Onegu wrote:



Except I did try to explain my read and it was pointed out the reason was wrong...

On February 04 2015 14:11 Breshke wrote:


And then didnt you say redacted or w/e then went back to saying it was a feeling?

On February 05 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote:



Me 2, don't like how he got 2 different read on me and someone else for doing the same thing.

On February 05 2015 11:31 Onegu wrote:



Because how can you say this and then say my feeling makes sense.

But I think I'll get off him and go back to my hero Koshi for now. But Koshi don't get to excited your like aquaman to Marvs batman, to Rayns Superman, to hapa as God.

On February 06 2015 06:57 Koshi wrote:

Then why was he on this list?

On February 06 2015 07:05 Koshi wrote:

That was a PoE list with all your scumreads.

On February 06 2015 07:12 Koshi wrote:

Are you also on pain meds?

On February 06 2015 07:13 justanothertownie wrote:

Why?

On February 06 2015 07:26 batsnacks wrote:


Why do you think onegu and SL are town? That's a pretty unique position you have and it would probably help town a lot if you explained it better as they and you are the biggest targets right now.

On February 06 2015 07:18 Breshke wrote:


No its just early for me



The first game i played with SL, rayn had this sick read on him where yeah everything he said was bullshit but you could tell he believed everything he was saying. Im getting the same vibe from him here. He talks so much crap but i think he believes the shit he is saying.

Onegu feels really relaxed and in my limited experience that generally indicates not mafia. This could be wrong because ive never played in a non newbie game as town so ive never had to scumhunt in a pool of more experienced players. Also the thirst to survive i would expect from scum isn't really there.

On February 06 2015 07:28 marvellosity wrote:

how's that?

On February 06 2015 07:32 batsnacks wrote:


SL wanted to vote RS for not caring and SL says he doesn't care... so I can argue that SL doesn't believe what he preaches.

When marv told onegu to step it up, onegu responded by saying he would. That indicates a thirst to survive. The fact that he failed to deliver are why people are voting him.

On February 06 2015 07:41 Damdred wrote:


wasn't SL scum in the game you are mentioning?

On February 06 2015 07:43 Damdred wrote:
I thought the only game rayn and SL played was titanic together?

On February 06 2015 07:41 Breshke wrote:
Ill get behind a koshi lynch, i dont like the wagons that are out there right now and I don't think bats is an option today

On February 06 2015 07:47 Koshi wrote:

Once more I like your great reasoning.

On February 06 2015 07:55 marvellosity wrote:
well you're wrong on some people Breshke. because they aren't

On February 06 2015 08:25 marvellosity wrote:

because you never did anything to actually push a mafiaread instead?

On February 06 2015 08:25 Holyflare wrote:


that's all you've really had and it's super against the grain

On February 06 2015 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay Breshke wtf why you would claim now at the night phase. Now Mafia will kill you or roleblock you........

On February 06 2015 11:21 LightningStrike wrote:

Idk this game is hard for me to figure out after those mod kills :| I should prod him when he's around.

On February 06 2015 08:34 batsnacks wrote:
Everyone but who I wanted died.

On February 06 2015 14:15 Holyflare wrote:
so my list then

On February 06 2015 14:19 Eden1892 wrote:

LightningStrike sheeped rsoultin sheeped me sorta-sheeped Holyflare

Lol

On February 06 2015 14:47 Eden1892 wrote:

Because he and I are on the same wavelength way too hard for him to be mafia. If he is mafia then I am the donkey of the year

On February 06 2015 15:59 Eden1892 wrote:
Koshi might actually be the better shot IMO. HF will probs disagree but I feel like if we're entertaining the question "which of these guys is more likely to be town?" then JAT put a little more work in of the two of them

If you're shooting out of those 3 though I'm gonna be okay with any of them.

On February 06 2015 16:23 Holyflare wrote:
Nah man jat

On February 06 2015 16:40 Holyflare wrote:
Actually no fuck it koshi isn't town after his void obs qt bs 100% shoot him

On February 06 2015 17:03 Eden1892 wrote:
Actually I think I'd rather shoot JAT because JAT is harder to argue against than Koshi

Lol at me literally using mafia logic to determine in what order to kill the mafia

On February 06 2015 17:30 Koshi wrote:
Shoot JAT. Not Koshi.

Seriously. Do not shoot the target the thread wants you to shoot Breshke. Which is me.


There is a 0% chance that scum does not have a RB against a fucking 2 shot vig. IF THEY KNOW 100% YOU WILL SHOOT TOWN YOU WILL GET RB. REMEMBER.

On February 06 2015 19:55 Koshi wrote:

Listen to the death.

On February 06 2015 07:56 Onegu wrote:
Anyway my case on Koshi is good sheep it day 2.

On February 06 2015 19:58 Koshi wrote:

I AGREE. SO NO SHOOTIE SHOOTIE

On February 07 2015 08:09 marvellosity wrote:
bah, we only have one mislynch still

On February 07 2015 08:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Breshke take a look at my last post on a quote from scum!Koshi and his exchange with rsoultin and tell me what you think of it?

On February 07 2015 08:44 LightningStrike wrote:

I already posted what I thought of it and I will Quote it for you

On February 07 2015 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:

Alright I think the new meanings of this exchange might be possible that rsoultin might of scumslipped now that we know that Koshi was scum in this game so therefore it could be possible that rsoultin is mafia but not really certain on it.

On February 07 2015 08:47 marvellosity wrote:
the sl modkill is so brutal for town

it really is

On February 07 2015 09:07 marvellosity wrote:
why is Breshke alive? did they gamble on him shooting town? he's right, he has an extra town-based kill and it doesn't lose us a lynch. it's fucking insane.

this isn't me pushing suspicion on breshke, i just don't get it

On February 07 2015 09:10 marvellosity wrote:
like you don't randomly bluehunt when there's a claimed vigilante with 2 shots.

it's so wtf

On February 07 2015 09:15 marvellosity wrote:

yeah like i said i'm not pushing on breshke or anything

i'm just randomly musing in the thread when there's no resolution to my thoughts because it makes zero sense.

On February 07 2015 12:28 rsoultin wrote:
Bresh, where are you on your reads right now?

On February 07 2015 12:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Breshke if it have to do with my VT claim I understand it was just bad play but meh.

On February 07 2015 12:50 LightningStrike wrote:
So why you shot Koshi just curious?

On February 07 2015 12:53 rsoultin wrote:


Okay, but even assuming they have no RB...which a 2-shot vig without an RB is kinda lolworthy...why no kill either?

On February 07 2015 13:01 rsoultin wrote:


Yeah, I guess it's pointless to speculate, especially if that's my only reason for hesitating on JAT.

Really do want to hear why bats is pushing HF though.

On February 08 2015 10:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and Eden you now look scummy after you called me town since N1 and now you do a complete 180 on me like really? I like the case from JAT on to Holyflare and will vote Holyflare now since I just caught up.
##Unvote
##Vote: Holfyflare

On February 08 2015 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Eden complete 180 turn on me is really making me cringe like he called me 100% town earlier in N1 and now doing a complete 180 is like wut.....
bats is being bats and voting for his scumread like he didin Student IV.
Breshke is unCCed Vig
Marv as scum would be called scum Day 1 or Night 1 by Palmar and he looked really townie with his questioning on you.
rsoultin I never played with you are scum and I starting you question my own read on you baby girl
JAT's defense and making a really good case on HF being scum is making him a top town in my books.

On February 08 2015 14:29 Holyflare wrote:
I don't actually mind of breshke even shoots me if you're that paranoid :D

On February 08 2015 15:38 rsoultin wrote:
Bresh, you've been sitting on your thoughts a lot, lately. Considering you're practically confirmed town at this point barring ballsy nutso mafia plays, it would be nice to hear where you stand.

On February 08 2015 20:19 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway, it seems whichever of jat/HF is in the thread at the time, I don't want to lynch.

I generally agree with HF that jat's EoD D1 was much worse than Holyflare's was. arg.

On February 08 2015 22:46 justanothertownie wrote:
There is only one logical explanation. They thought Breshke would shoot me so they did not rb him and they can rb and shoot him in the next night if they want.
2 2shot vigs in a 13 player game? No way.

On February 09 2015 06:25 rsoultin wrote:
Hey, Eden, who is LS mafia with if not marv? You too, breshke, bats? He's been doing really strange things, especially since the cop check, but I thought a lot of the scumread was association?

On February 09 2015 06:30 rsoultin wrote:


I don't think anyone said that?

On February 09 2015 06:33 Eden1892 wrote:

:o

On February 09 2015 06:38 justanothertownie wrote:

What do you expect him to do? Just ignore his check?

On February 09 2015 06:45 rsoultin wrote:


Ah, so nothing's changed except now you've added LS who everyone is questioning. Way to be original there, jat

On February 09 2015 06:55 Holyflare wrote:
Well since he was a check I'm just gonna go ahead and say the check... Duh

On February 09 2015 07:01 batsnacks wrote:
The person I said was mafia gave up. The other person I said was mafia is saying my claim could be fake. Everything looks great so far to me.