On February 08 2015 02:46 marvellosity wrote:
the difference between HF and Jat is that HF had you as his strongest reads for a lot of day 1, but jat never did

^ that is why

marvellosity

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February 07 2015 19:03 GMT

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On February 08 2015 03:50 rsoultin wrote:

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On February 08 2015 03:42 justanothertownie wrote:

On February 08 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:

On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing.

This is why he is mafia:

This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread.

On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy

On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever

On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead

On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote:

On February 05 2015 10:07 Eden1892 wrote:
And shit you said Damdred got more townie. So even if rsoultin didn't, it's bullshit that you're telling me you still have a scumread and so you're content with being lazy.

it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not

On February 06 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:

On February 06 2015 02:45 batsnacks wrote:

On February 06 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a crossroads between just not giving a crap about the game and giving a modicum of care towards the game with an emphasis on the former and it's somewhat annoying to me.

Nobody even mentioned me other than eden and i haven't even done anything this game really which is super boring and probably means mafia is the weaker players.

I'd vote you if that makes you feel better.

Breshke though... Really...

I'm more inclined to vote rs tbh

But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard:

On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu

if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time

On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON

SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW

On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something

Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this.
So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later.

Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately:

On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul

So, I point this out and this is his reaction:

On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia?

Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her.
If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread.
Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this.
He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though:

On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't

And then the real gem comes:

On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred.

Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE?
Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read".

This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big.

Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes.

Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't.

Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me.

There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null.

The bolded. That is the stupidest bullshit I heard in a long time. There is also no way you are number 4 on his list after what he said about you earlier.

I was a policy lynch at best, jat. Stop kidding yourself.

no, HF's push on you was never policy.

marvellosity

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February 07 2015 19:03 GMT

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pretty sure he'd say so himself whether he's town or mafia too.

marvellosity

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February 07 2015 19:30 GMT

#3626

i'm so confused

marvellosity

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February 07 2015 20:41 GMT

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On February 08 2015 05:20 rsoultin wrote:

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For me it's mostly just how he was behaving at EoD and being pretty forgettable the rest of the game. Sure, he fought back against people scumreading him, but I don't remember him helping trying to solve the game or anything. (And yes, mostly I'm just going off what I've seen many others say in the thread about Jat's town game being infinitely better than this.)

Pretty sure I've got him dead to rights on that SL vote though ^^

I find this deeply ironic

marvellosity

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February 07 2015 20:45 GMT

#3657

I'm glad you're aware at least :>

marvellosity

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February 07 2015 21:11 GMT

#3663

no it isn't

lol

marvellosity

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February 07 2015 21:17 GMT

#3668

On February 08 2015 06:14 Breshke wrote:
But unless my shot gets stopped dont we get 4 kills.

So if we think LS is town we can call everyobe else

you may have a point

cutting through the noise there breshke

marvellosity

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February 07 2015 21:18 GMT

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On February 08 2015 06:17 Breshke wrote:
Okay nevermind about the LS town thing but i think it is true that we only need one town that isnt me marv or eden game is solved from everyone else PoV unless you think marv is swagging

dw, there's no way that jat, HF, Palmar all hard townread me if i'm mafia

if you check my mafiagames i'm always under heat

marvellosity

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February 07 2015 21:22 GMT

#3672

the "spray kills until we find mafia" always feels so icky though

marvellosity

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February 07 2015 21:25 GMT

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On February 08 2015 06:23 Breshke wrote:
@marv and eden. Is it better for us to just try find one town here?

I actually dont know, the problem with this is that if my shot gets blocked or w/e this doesnt work and we are in a fairly bad spot

all we can do is lynch/shoot our best shots at mafia, when it comes down to it

marvellosity

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February 07 2015 22:42 GMT

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On February 08 2015 07:40 justanothertownie wrote:

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What do you mean? HF is obviously afk. He would defend himself as either alignment.

yup.

marvellosity

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February 08 2015 10:59 GMT

#3857

jesus christ you're an idiot

marvellosity

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February 08 2015 11:00 GMT

#3858

you think literally all the players who know me best have called me 100% town when I'm mafia?

can you be any stupider?

marvellosity

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February 08 2015 11:02 GMT

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nb: not read the case because it's bound to be retarded

marvellosity

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February 08 2015 11:06 GMT

#3861

Palmar was obviously joking about the scummy comment. so dumb.

marvellosity

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February 08 2015 11:08 GMT

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I did read the bit he had on me and Koshi and I just facepalmed so hard.

Is Eden really quite so stupid to think that I came around on Koshi because Eden really wanted me to?

Like, really?

That's just what I said, because I like to joke around, and it should be really really obvious that I came around on him for other reasons.

Just... unbelievable.

marvellosity

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February 08 2015 11:12 GMT

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one last thing "waiting for a consensus to form on jat/HF" ?

I moved over to HF before anyone else, 2nd on the wagon after bats only because bats has been gunning for him consistently.

How is that "waiting" for consensus. Jat had 6 votes, HF had 1, and I switched? ok eden