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True. I'm green
OK, so the setup we're looking at is
?Cop?, ?Vig? vs Goon, ?x?, ?x?
I'm asking because it seems silly to me to have a godfather AND framer in a setup with a cop and vig. That's a lot of hate for the cop role and absolutely no response to the vig. I could believe a framer or godfather, but both is pretty awkward. If they have a roleblocker, they apparently forgot to use it to stop Koshi from dying. Hard to believe unless they forgot to use it period. I also have a lot of trouble believing that the mafia decided to vig one of their own when they could have vig'd JAT/HF/whoever had public sentiment against them. Shit Breshke could even have vigged someone no one else wanted to kill that badly if he had been consistently scumreading that person before. He wasn't really that railroaded into shooting Koshi imo.
But then... where the hell is the other mafia PR? Is framer/2goons balanced vs cop and vig? I actually kinda feel like it might be - framer provides enough hate to the cop, and if you take out framer and cop, vanilla with a vig isn't that weird. It's probably townsided but it's not bizarre. I haven't had time to do my ultra-secret-probationary calculations to determine if it is.
What I'm trying to say is that I think we should take bats and Breshke at face value and go from there.
From there I really feel rso is town. I also feel that JAT and HF are town too, so this game is gonna get really hard if it's not LS and marv...
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I dunno man I'm on board this "rb, goon, fr, mafia forgot to assign rb" train
Call it batshit insane but I got a feeling
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Your scenario is balanced if there's a miller......... Hint hint
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It's not me Eden I'm the town puppy here is proof:
![[image loading]](http://www.2ndhandbarking.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/dogbarking.jpg)
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On February 09 2015 03:37 LightningStrike wrote:It's not me Eden I'm the town puppy here is proof:
LOL
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On February 09 2015 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Your scenario is balanced if there's a miller......... Hint hint
But...
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Yeh
It's jat and marv gave him Christmas
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But then... why is he airmailing it if he's town...
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Fuck knows
I'm seriously just confused why he'd throw away 30 pages when not under pressure of anything
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On February 09 2015 03:33 Eden1892 wrote:
True. I'm green
OK, so the setup we're looking at is
?Cop?, ?Vig? vs Goon, ?x?, ?x?
I'm asking because it seems silly to me to have a godfather AND framer in a setup with a cop and vig. That's a lot of hate for the cop role and absolutely no response to the vig. I could believe a framer or godfather, but both is pretty awkward. If they have a roleblocker, they apparently forgot to use it to stop Koshi from dying. Hard to believe unless they forgot to use it period. I also have a lot of trouble believing that the mafia decided to vig one of their own when they could have vig'd JAT/HF/whoever had public sentiment against them. Shit Breshke could even have vigged someone no one else wanted to kill that badly if he had been consistently scumreading that person before. He wasn't really that railroaded into shooting Koshi imo.
But then... where the hell is the other mafia PR? Is framer/2goons balanced vs cop and vig? I actually kinda feel like it might be - framer provides enough hate to the cop, and if you take out framer and cop, vanilla with a vig isn't that weird. It's probably townsided but it's not bizarre. I haven't had time to do my ultra-secret-probationary calculations to determine if it is.
What I'm trying to say is that I think we should take bats and Breshke at face value and go from there.
From there I really feel rso is town. I also feel that JAT and HF are town too, so this game is gonna get really hard if it's not LS and marv...
I agree that both claims are probably true. They could have a rb though.
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Just going to treat all cop checks as nothing btw with an almost definite framer
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On February 09 2015 03:40 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh
It's jat and marv gave him Christmas
cool story bro
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On February 09 2015 03:46 Holyflare wrote:
Just going to treat all cop checks as nothing btw with an almost definite framer
Well, all inno checks. Guilty checks are more situational imo
I'm tr'ing JAT for reasons besides the check
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Okay, so I really don't get marv throwing in the towel as town.
But, and this is a big but,
Fake-claiming miller is just so not a good scum play. And what's bugging me even more about it is marv told me before when I was scumreading Celestial despite a blue claim that scum rarely fake-claims because they're afraid of the CC. Granted, Celestial was scum and obviously scum fake-claims, but the point is as long as he believes that, it makes it even less likely that he'd fake-claim miller, imo.
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He literally claimed scum.
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On February 09 2015 04:08 justanothertownie wrote:
He literally claimed scum.
Yeah, it's just weird, I guess. Does marv give up as scum when he's put this much work in?
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On February 09 2015 04:01 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, so I really don't get marv throwing in the towel as town.
But, and this is a big but,
Fake-claiming miller is just so not a good scum play. And what's bugging me even more about it is marv told me before when I was scumreading Celestial despite a blue claim that scum rarely fake-claims because they're afraid of the CC. Granted, Celestial was scum and obviously scum fake-claims, but the point is as long as he believes that, it makes it even less likely that he'd fake-claim miller, imo.
Why not? Aware miller seems like the best fakeclaim to make. Guaranteed never to be copscanned which with a framer drastically improves defenses against cop.
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EPT
