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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 08 2015 18:33 GMT
#4281
True. I'm green

OK, so the setup we're looking at is

?Cop?, ?Vig? vs Goon, ?x?, ?x?

I'm asking because it seems silly to me to have a godfather AND framer in a setup with a cop and vig. That's a lot of hate for the cop role and absolutely no response to the vig. I could believe a framer or godfather, but both is pretty awkward. If they have a roleblocker, they apparently forgot to use it to stop Koshi from dying. Hard to believe unless they forgot to use it period. I also have a lot of trouble believing that the mafia decided to vig one of their own when they could have vig'd JAT/HF/whoever had public sentiment against them. Shit Breshke could even have vigged someone no one else wanted to kill that badly if he had been consistently scumreading that person before. He wasn't really that railroaded into shooting Koshi imo.

But then... where the hell is the other mafia PR? Is framer/2goons balanced vs cop and vig? I actually kinda feel like it might be - framer provides enough hate to the cop, and if you take out framer and cop, vanilla with a vig isn't that weird. It's probably townsided but it's not bizarre. I haven't had time to do my ultra-secret-probationary calculations to determine if it is.

What I'm trying to say is that I think we should take bats and Breshke at face value and go from there.

From there I really feel rso is town. I also feel that JAT and HF are town too, so this game is gonna get really hard if it's not LS and marv...
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 08 2015 18:34 GMT
#4282
EBWOP green
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 08 2015 18:36 GMT
#4283
I dunno man I'm on board this "rb, goon, fr, mafia forgot to assign rb" train

Call it batshit insane but I got a feeling
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2015 18:37 GMT
#4284
Your scenario is balanced if there's a miller......... Hint hint
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 08 2015 18:37 GMT
#4285
It's not me Eden I'm the town puppy here is proof:

[image loading]
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 08 2015 18:39 GMT
#4286
On February 09 2015 03:37 LightningStrike wrote:
It's not me Eden I'm the town puppy here is proof:

[image loading]

LOL
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 08 2015 18:39 GMT
#4287
On February 09 2015 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Your scenario is balanced if there's a miller......... Hint hint

But...
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2015 18:40 GMT
#4288
Yeh

It's jat and marv gave him Christmas
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 08 2015 18:40 GMT
#4289
Wait are you miller?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2015 18:41 GMT
#4290
No?
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 08 2015 18:42 GMT
#4291
But then... why is he airmailing it if he's town...
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2015 18:45 GMT
#4292
Fuck knows

I'm seriously just confused why he'd throw away 30 pages when not under pressure of anything
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16321 Posts
February 08 2015 18:45 GMT
#4293
On February 09 2015 03:33 Eden1892 wrote:
True. I'm green

OK, so the setup we're looking at is

?Cop?, ?Vig? vs Goon, ?x?, ?x?

I'm asking because it seems silly to me to have a godfather AND framer in a setup with a cop and vig. That's a lot of hate for the cop role and absolutely no response to the vig. I could believe a framer or godfather, but both is pretty awkward. If they have a roleblocker, they apparently forgot to use it to stop Koshi from dying. Hard to believe unless they forgot to use it period. I also have a lot of trouble believing that the mafia decided to vig one of their own when they could have vig'd JAT/HF/whoever had public sentiment against them. Shit Breshke could even have vigged someone no one else wanted to kill that badly if he had been consistently scumreading that person before. He wasn't really that railroaded into shooting Koshi imo.

But then... where the hell is the other mafia PR? Is framer/2goons balanced vs cop and vig? I actually kinda feel like it might be - framer provides enough hate to the cop, and if you take out framer and cop, vanilla with a vig isn't that weird. It's probably townsided but it's not bizarre. I haven't had time to do my ultra-secret-probationary calculations to determine if it is.

What I'm trying to say is that I think we should take bats and Breshke at face value and go from there.

From there I really feel rso is town. I also feel that JAT and HF are town too, so this game is gonna get really hard if it's not LS and marv...

I agree that both claims are probably true. They could have a rb though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
February 08 2015 18:46 GMT
#4294
Just going to treat all cop checks as nothing btw with an almost definite framer
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16321 Posts
February 08 2015 18:46 GMT
#4295
On February 09 2015 03:40 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh

It's jat and marv gave him Christmas

cool story bro
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 08 2015 18:51 GMT
#4296
On February 09 2015 03:46 Holyflare wrote:
Just going to treat all cop checks as nothing btw with an almost definite framer

Well, all inno checks. Guilty checks are more situational imo

I'm tr'ing JAT for reasons besides the check
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 08 2015 19:01 GMT
#4297
Okay, so I really don't get marv throwing in the towel as town.

But, and this is a big but,

Fake-claiming miller is just so not a good scum play. And what's bugging me even more about it is marv told me before when I was scumreading Celestial despite a blue claim that scum rarely fake-claims because they're afraid of the CC. Granted, Celestial was scum and obviously scum fake-claims, but the point is as long as he believes that, it makes it even less likely that he'd fake-claim miller, imo.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16321 Posts
February 08 2015 19:08 GMT
#4298
He literally claimed scum.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 08 2015 19:12 GMT
#4299
On February 09 2015 04:08 justanothertownie wrote:
He literally claimed scum.


Yeah, it's just weird, I guess. Does marv give up as scum when he's put this much work in?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
February 08 2015 19:13 GMT
#4300
On February 09 2015 04:01 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, so I really don't get marv throwing in the towel as town.

But, and this is a big but,

Fake-claiming miller is just so not a good scum play. And what's bugging me even more about it is marv told me before when I was scumreading Celestial despite a blue claim that scum rarely fake-claims because they're afraid of the CC. Granted, Celestial was scum and obviously scum fake-claims, but the point is as long as he believes that, it makes it even less likely that he'd fake-claim miller, imo.

Why not? Aware miller seems like the best fakeclaim to make. Guaranteed never to be copscanned which with a framer drastically improves defenses against cop.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
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