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On February 01 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:
Here's the thing hf, I don't see the typical hf oush or cling onto truly scummy things. You push things forget them move onto other things come back leave. You are strangely absent from the thread as well as the game foes along.
also not sure what your list post has to do with anything as I never said you pushed me just that you wernt playing like you
please quote where I have forgot a single thing in this game at all because that's also a lie
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FF, there is a discrepancy between your read and Rasputin's. She's been making a fairly big deal in thread. That's what I was drawing at. You didn't say she was right or wrong, I'm drawing attention to the fact you both seem to have different interpretations.
Having looked at Rasputin's latest questions, I can see her question about the chuckle comment and now her concerns make sense. Do I think it's enough to lynch Damdred is another question.
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I didn't vote sicklucker out of the blue. For some time I've been trying to get a read on him, I've been asking for help with that a good bit. And I've explained why I keep going back and forth on him. And I explained why I think that his play seems scummier than normal (the scumread on Eden1892, primarily).
I've also mentioned that I want to have my vote in a reasonable place tonight, since I won't be on very much tomorrow and will be gone for the deadline. It's getting late, so I I would vote. Sicklucker is currently a wagon, so it's not a wasted vote.
I'm not going to say that my sicklucker read is 100%, but I think that he is currently the most likely scum, and therefore the best lynch at the moment.
I can support all of this, except for the single sentence previous, with quotes that I have previously stated if you would like.
Today, I have seriously investigated rsoultin, Damdred, and sicklucker. I'm townreading LightningStrike, Half the Sky, marvellosity, and Holyflare. That leaves Chezitwo, IAmRobik, Eden1892, and FecalFeast, of which only Eden1892 has provided enough real thought and content that I could potentially get an accurate read on. If you want me to do something other than vote sicklucker, you'll have to explain why.
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Here we go trfel I'll explain what I'm seeing at least and be respectful because its what I would want done to me and we can discuss it in a somewhat civilized fashion. No quotes though as il be phone posting for awhile yet.
The first interactions we have with you and the thread are pretty lack luster and pretty unhelpful towards the thread and not really to content filled. Your first significant post is a somewhat big list post that is full of bulls and one town read. It has the look of someone paying attention and contributing but on closer inspection it really isn't.
Some of your later posts are better its true but to me there isn't a ton of commitable reads and a lot of the thoughts are pretty thread sentiments.
The push on me feels like a sheep and it got dropped pretty fast even though it seemed like you had a pretty strong scun read, and then you vote with me on SL and say I guess SL.
No strong reads really and not scum hunting
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damdred has dropped a tier because I can't believe he'd ever think any of this shit since I just afk'd and was uninterested for 24 hours in void and was town and he was in that
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On February 01 2015 13:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:
Here's the thing hf, I don't see the typical hf oush or cling onto truly scummy things. You push things forget them move onto other things come back leave. You are strangely absent from the thread as well as the game foes along.
also not sure what your list post has to do with anything as I never said you pushed me just that you wernt playing like you please quote where I have forgot a single thing in this game at all because that's also a lie
forget things is a phrase such as dropping things, moving on. Like the SL thing when you cane back and I asked if he was a sure scum and you said no etc., not a literal forgetting
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You have a totally different feel and push or lack thereof hf
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On February 01 2015 13:58 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 13:53 Holyflare wrote:On February 01 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:
Here's the thing hf, I don't see the typical hf oush or cling onto truly scummy things. You push things forget them move onto other things come back leave. You are strangely absent from the thread as well as the game foes along.
also not sure what your list post has to do with anything as I never said you pushed me just that you wernt playing like you please quote where I have forgot a single thing in this game at all because that's also a lie forget things is a phrase such as dropping things, moving on. Like the SL thing when you cane back and I asked if he was a sure scum and you said no etc., not a literal forgetting
so I thought a guy was super scummy, figured out it didn't make him scummy and moved on and that makes me scum? wtf
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i literally don't give a shit if I have a different "feel" i'm pushing my scum read sl and trying to make people see it and instead you're coming in and talking about nonsense that i'm forgetting my push on sl when literally 5 posts before you say that i'm pushing sl even more
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you've let me down damdy, incredibly
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On February 01 2015 14:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 13:58 Damdred wrote:On February 01 2015 13:53 Holyflare wrote:On February 01 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:
Here's the thing hf, I don't see the typical hf oush or cling onto truly scummy things. You push things forget them move onto other things come back leave. You are strangely absent from the thread as well as the game foes along.
also not sure what your list post has to do with anything as I never said you pushed me just that you wernt playing like you please quote where I have forgot a single thing in this game at all because that's also a lie forget things is a phrase such as dropping things, moving on. Like the SL thing when you cane back and I asked if he was a sure scum and you said no etc., not a literal forgetting so I thought a guy was super scummy, figured out it didn't make him scummy and moved on and that makes me scum? wtf
Hf progression
Damdred is scum>it was a joke>SL is scum>no he's not>palmar is sure mafia>lets focus on sl
here's what I mean
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@HF, trfel
the hyper-focus on SL scumming Eden for his "anger" at Robik over yours and Damdred's, HF...you really think that's the scummiest thing in the thread?
I mean, he's not a strong townread to me, either, but irrational from him is something that I kind of expect, and I can completely sympathize with the sentiment that he thought all your pictures (HF) were jokes, and not a strong push or read, as opposed to Eden's.
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On February 01 2015 13:30 Damdred wrote:
Omfg just lynch trfel this is hilarious.
I'll deal with hf later or something, but trfel is so scum
tfel just did the most townie thing ive ever seen. Pointed out that hf is ignoring my questions to his answers. He does this all the time its really annoying. Not sure if he doesint read or hes just never satisfied.
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On February 01 2015 13:33 Trfel wrote:
What do people who aren't Damdred think of my alignment?
Town after that. Your actually trying to figure me out rather then have predetermined notions of what alignment you want me to be.
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On February 01 2015 13:35 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 13:27 Holyflare wrote:On February 01 2015 13:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
HF is that still your complete list or is anything different? I like rsoul a bit more, damdred has moved sideways and the afkers are dropping (chez/robik), I agreed with chez at the start on you but I did that in the last game I played with chez and he afk'd and was mafia Can you elaborate on Robik's scum meta? Does he tend to afk? Just finished Hammertime, and he was scum. AFKed in that game largely. Not sure if that's a regular thing with him.
afked all of pyp and was obvious scum for it. Cant say its a habit of his tho that game was just unwinnable for him
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On February 01 2015 13:55 Damdred wrote:
Here we go trfel I'll explain what I'm seeing at least and be respectful because its what I would want done to me and we can discuss it in a somewhat civilized fashion. No quotes though as il be phone posting for awhile yet.
The first interactions we have with you and the thread are pretty lack luster and pretty unhelpful towards the thread and not really to content filled. Your first significant post is a somewhat big list post that is full of bulls and one town read. It has the look of someone paying attention and contributing but on closer inspection it really isn't.
Some of your later posts are better its true but to me there isn't a ton of commitable reads and a lot of the thoughts are pretty thread sentiments.
The push on me feels like a sheep and it got dropped pretty fast even though it seemed like you had a pretty strong scun read, and then you vote with me on SL and say I guess SL.
No strong reads really and not scum hunting
Yes, I wasn't very effective at the start of the game. I won't deny that. However, as I have discussed already, that list post stated that I was suspicious of sicklucker. I've maintained this view throughout the game. When I look back at it, it's actually not a big list post, it's a small collection of a few thoughts. The post looks small, it is small, there is no intent to try and force reads.
What about the times where I went against the thread sentiment, like when I started considering defending rsoultin? And when I said that the mafia seem to be lurking, and that the thread is potentially primarily townies? I still stand by that statement, by the way. In the past, my intuition like that has been correct (see Carol of the Bells, where I felt that the mafia were supporting my case on KelsierSC, and Newbie Mafia, where I felt that all of the Day 1 lynch targets were town and that scum wasn't having to do anything). I think that sicklucker is most likely to be scum, and I have kept this view rather consistently. I'm also suspicious of rsoultin and Damdred.
I wasn't pushing you. I disagreed with your reads and statements (still do), and I responded more aggressively than I should have. Believe me, if I want to push someone, I would open up with a comprehensive case and then use that to push the lynch, not baseless comments. See my play in Student Mafia IV and Carol of the Bells.
I looked through your filter, and while I disagreed with several of your reads and reasoning, I didn't think there was enough to lynch you at the time. Are you saying that there is anything wrong with this? My looking through your filter shows that I am scumhunting, and if you are in fact town, then deciding not to lynch you is a good decision. I didn't provide evidence, since the reason I decided not to lynch you yet was more a lack of sufficient evidence for you being scum, not evidence for you being town.
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On February 01 2015 14:03 rsoultin wrote:
@HF, trfel
the hyper-focus on SL scumming Eden for his "anger" at Robik over yours and Damdred's, HF...you really think that's the scummiest thing in the thread?
I mean, he's not a strong townread to me, either, but irrational from him is something that I kind of expect, and I can completely sympathize with the sentiment that he thought all your pictures (HF) were jokes, and not a strong push or read, as opposed to Eden's.
No, it's not the only scummy thing in the thread. Everything he writes is backwards, his read about ls, his 100% town read on marv after JUST policy "pressuring" marv because he was super good mafia last game???? his different reads on me/damd/eden based on absolutely nothing, sure he answered but it didn't make any sense at all. His scum read on palmar which is ass backwards because he's saying palmar is mafia because he's not finding marvs tell when he doesn't have a marv tell which he'd know from imperial or whatever it was. His useless behaviour. He isn't paranoid in the slightest and literally has no back and forth with anything. He isn't indecisive. Next cycle if he isn't lynched I'll explain some more.
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On February 01 2015 14:03 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 14:00 Holyflare wrote:On February 01 2015 13:58 Damdred wrote:On February 01 2015 13:53 Holyflare wrote:On February 01 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:
Here's the thing hf, I don't see the typical hf oush or cling onto truly scummy things. You push things forget them move onto other things come back leave. You are strangely absent from the thread as well as the game foes along.
also not sure what your list post has to do with anything as I never said you pushed me just that you wernt playing like you please quote where I have forgot a single thing in this game at all because that's also a lie forget things is a phrase such as dropping things, moving on. Like the SL thing when you cane back and I asked if he was a sure scum and you said no etc., not a literal forgetting so I thought a guy was super scummy, figured out it didn't make him scummy and moved on and that makes me scum? wtf Hf progression Damdred is scum>it was a joke>SL is scum>no he's not>palmar is sure mafia>lets focus on sl here's what I mean
On February 01 2015 14:03 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 14:00 Holyflare wrote:On February 01 2015 13:58 Damdred wrote:On February 01 2015 13:53 Holyflare wrote:On February 01 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:
Here's the thing hf, I don't see the typical hf oush or cling onto truly scummy things. You push things forget them move onto other things come back leave. You are strangely absent from the thread as well as the game foes along.
also not sure what your list post has to do with anything as I never said you pushed me just that you wernt playing like you please quote where I have forgot a single thing in this game at all because that's also a lie forget things is a phrase such as dropping things, moving on. Like the SL thing when you cane back and I asked if he was a sure scum and you said no etc., not a literal forgetting so I thought a guy was super scummy, figured out it didn't make him scummy and moved on and that makes me scum? wtf Hf progression Damdred is scum>it was a joke>SL is scum>no he's not>palmar is sure mafia>lets focus on sl here's what I mean
that's not true in the slightest THANKS FOR ASKING
damdred is scum which was a joke since nobody was talking about jack shit so I made something semi plausible to talk about and everyone just sad it was bad so I didn't achieve anything and dropped it
sl comes with his useless salty rage > scum read > out of game information > sure scum > not SURE scum but rest of posts are awful > think he's mafia 1/3 found
<other intermediary posts where I find out other peoples alignments>
palmar hasn't read role pm > meta > mafia 2/3
read other filters > fecal boring > sheeping stuff > meh > probably mafia because so boring (like hts in void)
then you come along and I thought you were towny to begin with > you spend some time at work and then you brought "new information" WHICH WAS EXACTLY THE SAME CRAP YOU HAD ALREADY SAID ALL GAME > I question this stuff, you say i'm high and ignore what i'm saying entirely > you scum read me > you've dropped the ball somewhere and become crazy > you scum read all of my town reads for misreading when they actually have legitimate points on you > you shit up the thread talking about this nonsense instead of more obvious scum sl/palmar/robik/ etc.
You're literally just spamming how someone is mafia but not saying properly why and have nothing to back it up other than a feel.
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On February 01 2015 14:04 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 13:30 Damdred wrote:
Omfg just lynch trfel this is hilarious.
I'll deal with hf later or something, but trfel is so scum tfel just did the most townie thing ive ever seen. Pointed out that hf is ignoring my questions to his answers. He does this all the time its really annoying. Not sure if he doesint read or hes just never satisfied.
look at this stuff ^ how does that make anyone town other than observant, it's a key thing to mafia to call people town over pointless shit
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On February 01 2015 14:08 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2015 13:55 Damdred wrote:
Here we go trfel I'll explain what I'm seeing at least and be respectful because its what I would want done to me and we can discuss it in a somewhat civilized fashion. No quotes though as il be phone posting for awhile yet.
The first interactions we have with you and the thread are pretty lack luster and pretty unhelpful towards the thread and not really to content filled. Your first significant post is a somewhat big list post that is full of bulls and one town read. It has the look of someone paying attention and contributing but on closer inspection it really isn't.
Some of your later posts are better its true but to me there isn't a ton of commitable reads and a lot of the thoughts are pretty thread sentiments.
The push on me feels like a sheep and it got dropped pretty fast even though it seemed like you had a pretty strong scun read, and then you vote with me on SL and say I guess SL.
No strong reads really and not scum hunting Yes, I wasn't very effective at the start of the game. I won't deny that. However, as I have discussed already, that list post stated that I was suspicious of sicklucker. I've maintained this view throughout the game. When I look back at it, it's actually not a big list post, it's a small collection of a few thoughts. The post looks small, it is small, there is no intent to try and force reads. What about the times where I went against the thread sentiment, like when I started considering defending rsoultin? And when I said that the mafia seem to be lurking, and that the thread is potentially primarily townies? I still stand by that statement, by the way. In the past, my intuition like that has been correct (see Carol of the Bells, where I felt that the mafia were supporting my case on KelsierSC, and Newbie Mafia, where I felt that all of the Day 1 lynch targets were town and that scum wasn't having to do anything). I think that sicklucker is most likely to be scum, and I have kept this view rather consistently. I'm also suspicious of rsoultin and Damdred. I wasn't pushing you. I disagreed with your reads and statements (still do), and I responded more aggressively than I should have. Believe me, if I want to push someone, I would open up with a comprehensive case and then use that to push the lynch, not baseless comments. See my play in Student Mafia IV and Carol of the Bells. I looked through your filter, and while I disagreed with several of your reads and reasoning, I didn't think there was enough to lynch you at the time. Are you saying that there is anything wrong with this? My looking through your filter shows that I am scumhunting, and if you are in fact town, then deciding not to lynch you is a good decision. I didn't provide evidence, since the reason I decided not to lynch you yet was more a lack of sufficient evidence for you being scum, not evidence for you being town.
I like this post a lot. I will reconsider my read everything you said is extremely believable
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