[T] Jack of All Trades Mafia

On March 03 2015 09:36 Half the Sky wrote:


Thank goodness I was not the only one feeling this way. I made the same read earlier and quite a few people want to shoot me for it.

On March 03 2015 13:59 Damdred wrote:
....we aren't even interested in talking about t device, fuck the device we are scum hunting to figure out a shot.

I will yolo shoot you so please actually contribute now that you got that out of your system

On March 03 2015 15:12 AT.Epiphany wrote:


I spent the last 40 minutes combing the database for Geript's games. I'm new here it doesn't make me stupid.

I'll respond to the rest after I've cooled down a bit, because Geript's abuse has rubbed me the wrong way.

On March 03 2015 15:35 Keirathi wrote:
I 'unno, it seems really out of character for him to just say "I'm fucking off and not doing anything". I mean, out of character whether he is scum or town. I think for now I'm okay with just seeing if he actually does anything or not and deciding later.

rayn is a little more interesting. That semi-push or whatever you want to call it on Toad earlier was pretty strange. Especially when rayn obviously has no qualms with calling people mafia in general. I mean, look at his filter, half of his posts are just "X is mafia." But with Toad, he just kinda beat around the bush with some bullshit.

On March 04 2015 05:32 Koshi wrote:
Lies. Blatant lies. But who cares. geript really is lowskilled so nobody should really consider anything he says. The only reason you should read his post is to do the opposite. You might become a good player then.

Sicklucker his statement is irrelevant because it was made after too few hours into the game when this game started 0000 and I choose not to play in the first hours. One can argue I choose not to play because I am mafia. However, I gave a reason why I didn't play. So you should only consider if I am lying or mafia.

I do not know why sicklucker thinks he can use meta this early in the game to make such insane read. He might be mafia or he might be fucking terrible. I think he is the second.
It isn't good play at all what he did. So I can safely say he is fucking terrible and nobody can say I am a dick here. herpderp Koshi mafia cuz he no play and he sleep 5 hours into the game or w.e the amount of hours it was.


But I guess I should defend myself a bit so that I cannot be blamed after the game. If geript or sicklucker shoot me you might want to lynch them afterwards. geript is so fucking horrible he can be town though. But you just lynch him on the premises he is fucking horrible and removing him from the game is the best thing for town anyway, if he flips scum that is just a bonus. Sicklucker should know how fucking goood I am at this game and him trying to remove me after x hours when I should be sleeping is just fucking horrible play by him or he is mafia.

On March 04 2015 06:21 Koshi wrote:
No seriously. This gets ignored?

This fucker is saying I want to trade 1 v 1 as mafia because I tell town to lynch the person who shoots me.

How does it makes sense? I don't fucking know.

Somewhere I want to believe he just scumslipped on my alignment but like I said. He might just be retarded.

You people actually understands what he is trying to say right?

KOSHI AS MAFIA WANTS TO GO 1 V 1 AFTER HE FLIPPED MAFIA BY TELLING TOWN THEY SHOULD LYNCH THE GUY WHO SHOT MAFIA.

BEST FUCKING PLAN MAFIA!KOSHI EVER CAME UP WITH.

I APPLAUD MYSELF.

On March 04 2015 06:24 IAmRobik wrote:

sicklucker...are you even fucking reading the thread?

IM TOWN GIVE ME GUNS

On March 04 2015 06:45 your mom wrote:


Yes, dont shoot. lynch. Same outcome, more time, but you have to sacrifice a bit of your e-peen.
And i dont feel particularly confident into somebody who says hes catching up at like half of the game.

On March 04 2015 04:39 Half the Sky wrote:
After re-reading, here's who I'd have on my no-shot list: LS, Tube, Slam, Rasputin, Toad, Epiphany, geript, Rayn, and Robik.

Sicklucker is someone I'd expect some more activity from, but when he entered, he seemed town.
The same went for FF.

On March 04 2015 07:17 Koshi wrote:

I am not sure if I said that. I am pretty sure that I said that if I get shot I don't see it as being lycnhed. But that was before I had to read the cases from geript and sicklucker. Which aren't cases or isn't anything with value at all. Especially sl his read on me is 100%% bullshit.

The best thing I could do is shoot sicklucker as soon as deadline is over. But I won't do it. I cba.

I tend to give each mafia game around 8-12 hours a day. Every game I have been in. I try to make decent cases and do actual scumhunting. I try to make sure that games are pleasant and balanced.

But it is all for nothing. It just is.

Look at the balance of this game. It is a fucking joke. I could type multiple pages on why this game is already not balanced just looking at the set-up. But why bother? I keep doing it and the same fucking hosts keep fucking up. I can only fucking pray that the scum spirit can't make the mafia vigis. I can only fucking pray.

Why does scum need 2 kp? When they can get vigi roles? When the lynch mechanics aren't town favored at all. Why? Why is this game over after 3 early ml? It might go a lot longer if town can get mafia to 4, but why is it over after 3 early ml? I don't understand this.

Why do the ninjas have 2 kp? Why? It doesn't make any sense. So they can kill potentially 2 townies or 2 scums when they PoE the other ninja? Their wincon has nothing to do with town vs scum. Yet they got INSANE POWER to influence this game. WHY THE FUCK?????


I don't give a fuck. geript should be modkilled after his second post. Or at least warned severely in the thread. But I guess I can't hope that the mods of this game actually read the posts.

I cannot function when there is a retard like geript calling me mafia for no reason and I know that he can just shoot me. It cannot be asked from me that I care. I just can't. I cannot read the post of sicklucker and then think by myself. You know what Koshi, you should try your best so you can convince this fucking retard that shooting you is not a good move, because -sniped-. I just can't.


The sest up is retarded. The players are retarded. The host neglect his duties. I cba.

On March 04 2015 07:31 IAmRobik wrote:

WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT READ. HE LITERALLY JUST MADE A LIST POST FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING A LIST POST RIGHT BEFORE THE SHOT. WHAT SANDRO POINTED OUT IS 100% ACCURATE AND IT MAKES ME WANT TO SHOOT HIM EVEN MORE. DEFENDING HIM IS NOT A FUCKING SMART MOVE

On March 04 2015 07:32 Koshi wrote:

Funny. You dumb piece of shit. Nice fucking bait. I should just say some shit and ruin your fucking day but who fucking cares. You fucking miserable piece of shit.

On March 04 2015 07:49 rsoultin wrote:
shooting people because it's hilarious is not a good reason sl @.@

On March 04 2015 08:05 IAmRobik wrote:
THIS IS ABSURD ASDAF ASDIOFASDNOIFASNIDOF NI

I LITERALLY DIDN'T GET MY SHOT COUNTED BECAUSE I SAID "STORM" INSTEAD OF "STRIKE"

DASFNIOASDFNIOSADFASDFASDFASDNIOASDFIONFASIODFIOASNDFIONASIO

On March 04 2015 08:57 geript wrote:
@Batsnacks
1. Why did you want to shoot Mocsta?
2. Why didn't you try to shoot at all?

On March 04 2015 17:26 Onegu wrote:



If he was faking that I'll give him a mafia award peronslly delivered.

On March 04 2015 07:17 Damdred wrote:
I kinda like Sl this game...which means he's a good chance of being mafia sadly

On March 05 2015 09:51 Tubesock wrote:


There is only 1 mafia here per OP. There could be a ninja in here as well.

On March 05 2015 10:05 geript wrote:

Thad be ever more stupid. ID just shirk ken him if I were ninja

On March 05 2015 10:23 Breshke wrote:
SL explain why sandroba would claim a green on someone in the cell other than outside the cell. You say its so he could get you ML then tube but if he claimed a green on someone outside the cell could he not just get onegu lynched aswell?

Also stop trying to confirm yourself with dumbtells just because you say stupid things doesn't make you town. What did you do the entire first phase nothing. Apparently you heavily debated shooting me or damdred yet you had 1 post about it. Total utter bullshit,.

On March 05 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:


Could you show me where you mention this read?

On March 04 2015 05:06 Tubesock wrote:


What changed your mind about Slam?

Why is spirit Foolishness in your list? Or even how?

On March 05 2015 10:55 Breshke wrote:
Also just food for thought. I'm town and i voted to press the button as i believe rayn did.

If i can count there was 22 people and if all 6 mafia voted to press the device it would have only taken a few more towns (3 or 4 maybe less if some people voted for destroy) to push that over. In any case i think it could be useful for everyone to claim what they did so we can see if it all adds up and can probably work out if mafia was guarding or pressing which could be useful information if it turns out that they know what the device does.

On March 05 2015 11:11 Fecalfeast wrote:

woah. Kurumi is mafia?

On March 05 2015 11:50 Tubesock wrote:


Probably Sicklucker. Onegu and Sandroba's filters are meh. I would be thinking more about Sandroba due to both Toad and Rayne scumming him. Hell, I think even Kita was too. Geript towned him.

To me it is between an unclaimed Sandroba and Sicklucker. Sick because of what I've said before. I think he's making too much sense and not being crazy wild like normal. I expected some fake cop claim trap like in Imperial or something similiarly ridiculous that makes me pissed at him. He's so nice here...that makes me scared.
/b
But with Sandroba's sweep in and claim sweep out, with dead towns thoughts on him, my thoughts on Geript, like I don't see a world where I really move my vote from Sandroba.

On March 05 2015 11:56 Breshke wrote:


Can you tell me one read of sicluckers reads from D1. Like he was busy and it kind of makes sense to me because i think as mafia he actually provides content. I was agree with rayn that SL could have been a ninja and still am tbh the other ninja should just shoot him.

Anyway i agree it should be between sandroba and SL,(even though onegu mafia, sandroba town is possible). I havn't really read sandroba at all though

On March 05 2015 12:19 Breshke wrote:


I honestly couldn't care less what you think i did day 1. Sick reads list. I jsut ctrl f your filter for rsoultin and you dont call her town anywhere mind showing me where you mention this.

Why is bats listed as null when you obviously have numerous nulls the reason you give for wanting to shoot him doesn't even make sense to me

On March 05 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:






These are your posts on bats in order. Why did you think he was mafia in that last post because you have seemingly changed your mind about that now

On March 05 2015 18:03 Tubesock wrote:


Bring it. Let's dance. I'm perfectly happy turning this effectively into a duel between Sandroba and I.

Vote me. You must still like your case on me. You should have more ammo by now.

On March 03 2015 05:43 sicklucker wrote:
Should be inactive for the start of this and confused as fuck

On March 05 2015 19:18 geript wrote:
Can't quite find the post. Busy watching. But SL said he thought I would recommend shit tier play like this. If I were mafia, then I'd have a plan setup for pretty much every lynch. Every night phase. SL knows this because he coached with me. Like even last game he made a good argument that I wouldn't be that much of a dumbass jerk as scum (he was mafia but eh). Like that's really fucking odd.

On March 05 2015 19:25 Mocsta wrote:
1. The claim doesnt make sense to me from mafia motivation. Which "clears" sandroba, and Onegu by default (unless a godfather???) but i dont really have anything to press onegu on if he was GF, which leaves me with SL/Tube.

To be honest, i haven't pushed myself to re-read tube from last night. And sick i avoided last night, and again, going to have to compel myself to read him today. I mean,... both these guys have 7 page filters of jack shit.. the others have barely 2 pages of filter.. liek cell was meant to make this easier ffs.

My thought process yesterday regarding tube was along the lines of:
- was free flowing / casual
- seemed consistent across the filter in motivation
- didnt seem like he was actively trying to withhold information.. which is interesting because it led to me and kitamin reading a "open policy" post completely different (me town, him scum)

For reference:

On March 05 2015 19:32 Mocsta wrote:
Geript.
Should Onegu be cleared by sandroba?
i.e. GF possibility?

was there anything to think onegu could be town prior to the check?

On March 05 2015 22:19 Mocsta wrote:

do you have anything to contribute outside the cell personnel?

On March 05 2015 23:17 Oatsmaster wrote:

dont be so rude.

If everyone thinks you're scum, do something about it, stop whining and insulting people.
Remember geript from Office?

Now you're him.

On March 06 2015 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:

So then why are you so mad?
That makes even less sense.

On March 06 2015 01:24 kitaman27 wrote:


Essentially every person you have called mafia has either flipped town or you are calling town now.

Since there are SIX mafia in the game, who do you think is mafia outside of your cell? An explanation of why would be helpful as well.

On March 06 2015 02:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
What I don't get is why people are suggesting Onegu would be the mafia godfather. Why would scum waste a role on someone that isn't playing? Wouldn't you use that power on someone more important, and why would the mafia spirit give him a power over one of the multitude of other lurky inactives and how did that spirit tell the difference if he is?

On March 06 2015 11:16 Half the Sky wrote:


Have you actually read his filter? If so, what sort of reads are you getting from it? Because I recall others having different conclusions using different critieria.

On March 06 2015 11:26 Onegu wrote:



I'm town and then as one of the most vocal players is pushing my lynch. I get put in a cell and then a cop claims he got a green check on me. Why would I be skeptical of that? And you just got finished saying it's extremely unlikely that I am GF or was framed. So which is it. I'm town a few posts ago and now I'm scum? You aren't making sense. And now with the town spirit thing in your filter I am fairly certain you are the scum in the cell.

On March 06 2015 11:34 batsnacks wrote:


I don't know that Sandroba is town and I didn't feel like reading SL's filter. So... it's tubes for me.

On March 06 2015 16:37 geript wrote:
No I really believe Syllogism who can read Sandro like a book gave it to him. Like if he's mafia, why would he ever claim a check within his pod?

On March 06 2015 16:37 geript wrote:
No I really believe Syllogism who can read Sandro like a book gave it to him. Like if he's mafia, why would he ever claim a check within his pod?

On March 06 2015 17:14 geript wrote:
Like I think this game has really highlighted why I should just quit playing mafia. Nobody ever listens to the good poitns I make and harps on all the random shit I say.

On March 06 2015 17:18 Breshke wrote:
Geript im not sure if you are being serious? I am listening to you im just trying to bounce random ideas of you. I am still going to be voting sicklucker im just trying to flesh out some of the problems i have with sandrobas play after the claim.

I think thats a really good point that if the spirirt was going to save points then he would at least buy a protective role.

##Vote:Sicklucker

On March 07 2015 01:30 geript wrote:
Everytime I've seen Sandroba as mafia (except for Catastrophe), which is a surprising amount, I've had the following experience.

As mafia, Sandroba will literally do nothing. Like in Duke Nukem Hydra, I'm pretty sure that Syllogism made like 4 posts and Sandroba didn't post at all. In Shadow he barely interacts at all and Marv/HF decided to bus him on D1. Like he has no thoughts in his filter that game and doesn't even get off page 1. I remember Sandroba replacing out of a game and people questioning whether they should just lynch that slot because of how much Sandro hates rolling mafia. My experience is that as mafia he does absolutely nothing and waits to be AFK lynched. That's not what I see here.

Like in Shadow he makes a post about Prome and basically afk's and completely ignores it. He doesn't even care what anyone else thinks about his case. He's lazy and doesn't even bother with it really. But in this game there are hints that's not the case. Like he hasn't just afk spammed Breshke into oblivion. Rather, he's actually compared about why he could be right or could be wrong on Breshke.

Like I think mafia are probably just afk stacking on Sandroba and using any reason they want to try and lynch him. Because for as much as SL and Tube have talked about Sandro doing nothing, they really haven't evaluated the other player at all. Zero. Zip. Nada.


This is SL's marvelous townread on Tube. Which btw comes AFTER the cell has been posted. SL buddied the fuck out of everyone and anyone in Office just to not get lynched. He's refused to give any sort of actual reasonable analysis for Sandro being mafia (just Tube is OMG TOWN, a read which IIRC he hasn't explained). He hasn't bothered looking whatsoever. He's pushed the idea that Sandro is mafia with Onegu which SL is smart enough as town to completely ignore that shit line of thinking. I could go on but I'm really not going to waste more time on this shit.

You guys can lynch town Sandroba. I don't fucking care. But when he flips town, just lynch peopel on his wagon and SL.

On March 07 2015 01:30 geript wrote:
Everytime I've seen Sandroba as mafia (except for Catastrophe), which is a surprising amount, I've had the following experience.

As mafia, Sandroba will literally do nothing. Like in Duke Nukem Hydra, I'm pretty sure that Syllogism made like 4 posts and Sandroba didn't post at all. In Shadow he barely interacts at all and Marv/HF decided to bus him on D1. Like he has no thoughts in his filter that game and doesn't even get off page 1. I remember Sandroba replacing out of a game and people questioning whether they should just lynch that slot because of how much Sandro hates rolling mafia. My experience is that as mafia he does absolutely nothing and waits to be AFK lynched. That's not what I see here.

Like in Shadow he makes a post about Prome and basically afk's and completely ignores it. He doesn't even care what anyone else thinks about his case. He's lazy and doesn't even bother with it really. But in this game there are hints that's not the case. Like he hasn't just afk spammed Breshke into oblivion. Rather, he's actually compared about why he could be right or could be wrong on Breshke.

Like I think mafia are probably just afk stacking on Sandroba and using any reason they want to try and lynch him. Because for as much as SL and Tube have talked about Sandro doing nothing, they really haven't evaluated the other player at all. Zero. Zip. Nada.


This is SL's marvelous townread on Tube. Which btw comes AFTER the cell has been posted. SL buddied the fuck out of everyone and anyone in Office just to not get lynched. He's refused to give any sort of actual reasonable analysis for Sandro being mafia (just Tube is OMG TOWN, a read which IIRC he hasn't explained). He hasn't bothered looking whatsoever. He's pushed the idea that Sandro is mafia with Onegu which SL is smart enough as town to completely ignore that shit line of thinking. I could go on but I'm really not going to waste more time on this shit.

You guys can lynch town Sandroba. I don't fucking care. But when he flips town, just lynch peopel on his wagon and SL.

On March 07 2015 03:07 geript wrote:
How about that town only got 1 role on N1? Yah, that's pretty crazy.
Thats acualy what Id expect 1 or 2 a day. We might not even be aware of some powers so many variables

How about non-standard roles? I know I got an exceptionally standard role. So yah, that's pretty crazy.
I dont understand wtf your saying everyones vannila

How about that Sandroba as mafia greenchecks the easiest mislynch in the pod? Also crazy.
Partners or trying to mislynch him. Its not really that weird to have 2 mafia since theres like 12-6 ratio atm infact rng says theres 2.

How about that I'm lying about getting vigi role? Well I did. Suck it. Also crazy.
Explain yourself I would lynch you for this

How about that town spirit didn't give anythign at all away? Saving up without spending on a medic is absolutely insane.
We dont know that. He could have made us all veterans for all we know or he could be a derp and give it to dead townies

On March 07 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote:


Diving sicklucker's filter now, trying to squeeze what I can in before dinner. Also doing a comparison for how Holyflare nabbed him in Void (unfortunately for him, it was after we nightkilled him). Looking at the relevant QT, the way he nabbed Sicklucker was contradictions in his reads. Also his strategy endgame was hitting the inactives in that game too (Bats, Slam, Vivax to an extent) as he and JAT helped drive those lynches.

I'm looking at his filter and his reads are just spread out literally all over the place. There's a disclaimer that "he's not the best scumhunter" but even in his town games, he's been quite erratic too.

One maybe contradiction on LS:

On March 04 2015 06:31 sicklucker wrote:
I see lots of good shots I dont think ls is one of them robik and if you try I will be faster

On March 04 2015 06:56 sicklucker wrote:
Robik can we shoot koshi together? No kill Ls hes lynchbait?

+ Show Spoiler +

team robik!

Unless I misunderstand he wants to kill LS after he denies LS is a good shot?

I'll be frank Kita, I only looked at behaviour when I was looking at all four candidates initially and only saw the arguments on mechanics after I woke up. I can definitely see sicklucker being scum here as he relies on this sort of strategy to survive as scum, he's rolled scum quite a bit now. But deciding between the two (SL/Sand) at the moment, I can sum up in three words at the moment: fuck my life. Honestly quite difficult.

On March 07 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:


Wait so you had a town read on him and now you are contemplating he's mafia just because he's fallen off a bit?
Why should others' opinions sway what you think?

On March 07 2015 03:39 Alakaslam wrote:

You fail in this.

If it is a fake claim, it should broaden the lynch right back to all four of you.

And if it is proven fake, Sandro just suicided within 2 lynches.

On March 07 2015 03:48 Half the Sky wrote:


Why are you assuming day 2 would be a Tube ML when Sandro and you are the leading wagons?

On March 07 2015 03:53 Alakaslam wrote:

What are your Ideas? Are you part of the pro SL camp?

On March 07 2015 04:09 geript wrote:

Then he could greencheck you. Or greencheck Tube. Or greencheck like anyone. Or redcheck outside of the pod. Like if he wants to survive, removing the easiest mislynch in the pod only makes his job harder. That's literally all it does. So why does Sandro as mafia, make his goal to not get mislynched significnatly harder?

On March 07 2015 04:21 IAmRobik wrote:
I don't know what to think about the fact that sandroba isn't spamming "i'm the cop, gtfo me"

On March 07 2015 04:59 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay sicklucker what part I was ignoring you because I having a hard time finding it in your filter can quote it if possible please?

On March 07 2015 05:06 geript wrote:
Last note really quick. Batsnacks is almost assuredly mafia. Second, mafia is 100% between Sandroba and SL looking at the votes and how they went down.

On March 07 2015 05:12 LightningStrike wrote:

Really as far I read Geript said he was Mafia I will recheck but I found that Sandroba is Mafia though. Might of misread Geript on his thing on Sandroba.

On March 07 2015 05:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Uh. How?

On March 07 2015 05:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Yeah but how does that mean they're mafia together?

On March 07 2015 07:34 IAmRobik wrote:
I just had a nightmare of a thought

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 07 2015 07:42 IAmRobik wrote:
Why do we have to lynch sicklucker i feel bad

On March 07 2015 07:46 Tubesock wrote:


I have 10 and have shown way more thinking about this game than you.

On March 10 2015 09:25 kitaman27 wrote:


I have to admit I was really influenced by this post on day two. I couldn't imaging a world where a town player would try to cheat like that or where he wouldn't be insta-modkilled, but I suppose it would be unfair to mafia to modkill a cell member and it's my fault for trying to read into mod actions a bit too much.

Any chance we could get an action list? Not really clear how the powers were distributed based on the qt.

Also pretty funny that everyone was so convinced I was a ninja XD

On March 10 2015 09:52 Tubesock wrote:


See, I thought people were towning Sandroba for getting the cop check. It was basically Sicklucker vs me. And no one was believing what I was saying that Sandroba would have HUGE motive to claim in his position.

But I didn't think anyone was listening, except for Geript.

On March 10 2015 09:55 Half the Sky wrote:


Yes, he was. And geript coached him to play exactly like his town meta. No one was the wiser.