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I have been thinking about this for over 10 minutes but nope. I have no clue. | ||
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On January 30 2015 04:42 Alakaslam wrote: True But 4srs You can only try to balance them, the reason normals exist is to be able to rely on a balanced, expected outcome. Themed games you still try to balance, but frankly I think watchdoging a themed setup for balance is like misunderstanding the whole reason the designators [t] [m] [n] [w] etc. exist. It isn't that, it is just similar. And yeah, I have submitted some gross setups to balance considerations, but that's the thing- they didn't get made. This one appears to have passed muster, and if DP is involved I trust it frankly. Even a perfect balanced roulette can roll red 15 times in a row. I don't judge the balance of a game on it's outcome, nobody should. But if a normal mini require 3 ml for scum to win if they hit perfectly (no saves) or simple 4 ml for scum to win, and then you join a normal big game and scum wins 100% of the times after 3 misslynches whetever the fuck happens. I don't call that balanced. The main issue some people have with assassins/Serial Poisoners/Serial Killers/Crabs and themed games is that some of the hosts forget that we play this game to use some deduction skills to find mafia and then win the game due to this skill. . With and SK for example town can play pretty perfect and still get fucked by the SK and mafia night power. Or mafia gets fucked because the SK can win with town and just kill mafia or lynchbait.......... And you get themed games in which there are 4 recruiting scumteams, nullifying the lynches and the skill part of the game basically. (DISCLAIMED: the game ended after n2 so I don't really know the full set-up, because there was a 5th faction that had more information about the recruiting scumteams). Not for Artanis, in case I want to play this game and not roll scum coincidentally:+ Show Spoiler + Or the host uses dumb and completely one sided balance set-ups like in Cell mafia in which there are no flips, 33% of the game is mafia, and no blue roles. And in the latest addition there also would have been a NK. | ||
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 Or was it Ver? Or who was it? | ||
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On January 30 2015 06:35 marvellosity wrote: i think cell is really balanced, i think town just got outplayed in the games. mafia had zero right to win the game i was in for instance. you can't legislate for town shitting the bed and/or getting outplayed hahahahahahaha. Good one marv. Balanced Cell Pick 1 | ||
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On January 30 2015 06:47 marvellosity wrote: but you're clueless mocking baselessly changes nothing marv. you've become a sour puss. | ||
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The first goddamn day you have 5 mafias finding reasons to why 1 town is scummy. Then 8 out of the 10 townies need to see through these 5 mafias lies. And then maybe you can have 8/7 votes and vote mafia away. There is actually no good reason why mafia wouldn't just sit with 5 people on 1 townie. And guess what? In every game there is a townie that finds another townie scum, genuinely and often with good reasoning. Do you know how unlikely it is to lynch scum D1? Now do it with 10 vs 5. And remember that once you lynch town D1, you cannot see who was actually pushing mafia. If you then add some people with 1 page filters, the mafia is only forced to make some sense in a 2 page filter to win his cell. While discussion is somewhat limited in this format. Mafia gains more % players, lose nk. Town loses % players, loses flips, loses blue roles, loses the advantage to lynch freely, gain a mafia wagon. PS: if mafia busses they don't lose that advantage later on due to the fact they didn't get NK because they can't get nk. | ||
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I love themed games secretively. | ||
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Anyway, I might do stuff. I might not do stuff. I don't like getting misslynched but getting shot by a dumbass does not count. It would be very very sad though. Very very sad. Getting shot today as town is terrible play by you and the shooter. So I will answer Questions asked to me. I would ask you to type KOSHIxxx somewhere in your post so I can find it easily. Depends on how huge this thread gets. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi is mafia. Wrong. | ||
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For some reason town loses after 4th ml again. And there is no reason for the scum spirit to give scum vigis and town can't do shit against that. Oh well. Maybe some other force of balancing is going to happen. | ||
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I am out till forever now. | ||
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On March 03 2015 21:23 AT.Epiphany wrote: Okay, I'll bite? Why such low participation/unavailability? Koshixxx Game started on 0000 and didn't feel like playing. I played doto and watched House of Cards. I slept till 1200. I am now at work till 1800, I got a lot to do so I don't think I will do to much. Depends a bit. I will then be home but doto will call again and I have 0 urge to play this game as long as I didn't read anything yet. So Wednesday sounds like a fun day to start. | ||
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On March 03 2015 21:40 Breshke wrote: You are one of the main people being considered to be shot. If you want to play this at all you might want to start sooner than that Koshixxx Kill the people sitting in rayn his ass pushing the shot on me. Or maybe rayn. We will see Wednesday. Or maybe sooner? Who knows. Really. I need to work. | ||
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If town starts with 3 ml they lose. Might be faster if ninjas decide to kill townies. The lynch mechanic is letting some random dude shoot another random dude in the face. Great information. At the end of the game I already know the host + balance committee will use the excuse "but what if town actually played perfect and shot scum anyday everyday? Then the game is perfectly balanced" Being able to convince me this is balanced might make me play sooner. | ||
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On March 03 2015 10:10 rsoultin wrote: those shuriken are 1-shot? if they're 1-shot then nah I don't really care about ninja Here is a ninja. To the other ninja: Kill mafia first and then kill this guy. Thank you. | ||
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On March 03 2015 10:19 Sepulchre wrote: So, these two posts by Half the Sky are, perhaps intentionally, rather bad play, for obvious reasons. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it is just a bait. Laziest read in this thread. Why do you assume that it is bait? Did you check that she follows up on the bait? If you did, why am I not reading about it. If you didn't, why didn't you? I cannot believe you say somethings is bait and then not look if she follows up on the bait. Or check yourself if the bait worked. Anyway. Just saying. I didn't read the rest of your post because you started with a dumb and lazy read. | ||
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On March 03 2015 12:00 Tubesock wrote: Currently, though I wouldn't shoot HtS. If Onegu doesn't do anything then I wouldn't object to you shooting him. But why not shoot Koshi? He seems fairly likely since he just blantantly said he can't be asked to do anything. Confirmed not reading and will be ignored for the rest of the game. I blantantly said I could be asked anything. Could be mafia. I saw someone say something about this guy doing nothing except the voting plan, which he didn't push hard, he just mentioned that it would be nice to do. Could be mafia indeed. | ||
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On March 03 2015 12:05 sicklucker wrote: Ya ill shoot koshi. He flips mafia over 50% of tht time from that noplay excuse. Which is great odds On March 03 2015 12:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Robik seems somewhat apathetic which is never really a good sign from him. Koshi not doing things makes me an unhappy camper as well. That's about it at this point though. Meh. On March 03 2015 13:01 LightningStrike wrote: Also my thoughts on Koshi I finding it odd he not really trying this game and sorta reminds me of Horns of Africa where he wasn't doing much and trying to avoid being lynched so he might be Mafia on that but he needs to give a reason for not doing much. Rayn he not doing much either and I think in a post game he said he wasn't going to do much shit as town due to people not having the ability so idk if he really going through with that or what's going on with him. So my best person I want to shoot is most likely Koshi for now. ##Shoot: Koshi On March 03 2015 13:06 Damdred wrote: Koshi somewhat reminds me of season of a witch, rayn feels weird. How does it remind you of that game? On March 03 2015 13:34 Breshke wrote: Can you explain these when you are around rayn? I can get behind a koshi shot though rereading horn it is more similar than i thought it was. ##Vote Koshi You reread an entire game so you could meta it against the 3 posts I made???? wow. nice. Holy fuck everybody reads me as scum for not doing shit first 12 hours into a game. Unbelievable. I guess I will need to be misslynched a couple times before this will ever change. Which is a shame because I will never let it happen. So I am stuck having to do shit D1 D2 and then die N1 or N2 and then see town be complete ******** and lose game after game. Great. Anyway. the people using meta here as suspect. As if I said enough to use meta already. rofl. I was around for 1 hour. | ||
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But if you claim you reread an entire game so you could match my meta of that game to the meta of this game you are seriously overdoing it. And you are scum. | ||
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It has been decided. | ||
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On March 03 2015 23:15 Mocsta wrote: you yourself pointed out several using meta to support their accusation. Are you suggesting the above is the whole scum team? When i read the 5 quotes you posted, I see varying degrees of intent. Do you? Yes. I already explained that. I have no problem with people scumreading me or saying I might be scum for doing nothing. I might be. I can see that. | ||
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I made this decision after reading the posts made by 7-8 players in this game. Nothing I did was scummy this game, I just decided to not play for the first 2 hours of the game because I wanted to do other things during that time (00:00 till 02:00), slept for 10 hours and had to work after that. But for some fucking reason I am scumread by 7-8 people for this, while it doesn't make any sense in the world that I should be SHOT for this. Yes, you can put some suspicion on me, I guess that is fine. But to read the dumb certainty from people like sicklucker and rayn about my alignment just bores me and makes me mad + somewhat sad. So I decided to do nothing till after I wake up tomorrow and maybe glance over the thread again. Let it also be known the sentiment in this thread is pretty mafia favored, we got too many people wanting to shoot way too early. If I have to read more post from somebody like geript I actually might get cancer. The guy thinks he got reads while he just got proven wrong on every flip in an ongoing game I will not discuss further than these flips. It is just cancerous. So I might get shot for deciding to not play this game hard in the first 24hours, so be it. This is not on me. This is on the townleaders in this thread using this lynchsystem extremely bad and thinking they are better than they actually are. Because don't be fooled. There is no case on me except meta. And the meta used on me is actually not that good, it's extremely lazy form of meta based on me not playing for 2 hours before going to bed. Quite obviously I am still not playing, even after being awake for 4 more hours, even though I posted some things, and I just declared another +17 hours of not posting. So I guess now you could make some sort of meta read. Maybe. But tbh as mafia I am more around than this. But maybe not. I am not sure how my mafia game looks like. I would say that we should shoot somewhere in 48 hours. That would be optimal. But I don't think that will happen because some dumbasses are putting the idea in the thread we should shoot really fast because otherwise mafia will use the shot (which is not the worst play in this atmoshphere because you might get away with it, because nobody is saying that shooting is claiming scum, or trying to make sure town doesn't shoot. And on top of that the game looks shitty balanced and getting a ml already is pretty awesome, especially if tomorrow it is cell (and then the shooter isn't in the cell) and the day after that it is mayor and mafia is able to get a scum mayor because there are no townies left anyway. GG. Anyway. Do w.e the fuck you want. I am sitting this one out on the sidelines. I will post some smart stuff in 17 hours. If I get the chance. And I feel like. Because if somebody else is shot and it is a town I might just not give 2 fucks at all. Unless I then see mafia not nk anybody. And the ninjas hitting scum. Or something like that. My expectation for this game are low. I can already not wait to see how fast town spirit will gain points and how expensive the blue roles are against the mafia counterpart. | ||
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Sicklucker his statement is irrelevant because it was made after too few hours into the game when this game started 0000 and I choose not to play in the first hours. One can argue I choose not to play because I am mafia. However, I gave a reason why I didn't play. So you should only consider if I am lying or mafia. I do not know why sicklucker thinks he can use meta this early in the game to make such insane read. He might be mafia or he might be fucking terrible. I think he is the second. It isn't good play at all what he did. So I can safely say he is fucking terrible and nobody can say I am a dick here. herpderp Koshi mafia cuz he no play and he sleep 5 hours into the game or w.e the amount of hours it was. But I guess I should defend myself a bit so that I cannot be blamed after the game. If geript or sicklucker shoot me you might want to lynch them afterwards. geript is so fucking horrible he can be town though. But you just lynch him on the premises he is fucking horrible and removing him from the game is the best thing for town anyway, if he flips scum that is just a bonus. Sicklucker should know how fucking goood I am at this game and him trying to remove me after x hours when I should be sleeping is just fucking horrible play by him or he is mafia. | ||
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On March 04 2015 06:12 sicklucker wrote: You start by saying were horrible and and town they you say town should take action against us if we shoot you? Seems like you want to get a 1 for 1 trade. Im still shooting any objections? Try english. And if you are somewhere saying I want to trade 1v1 after I flipped mafia or something you are compeltely retarded. | ||
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This fucker is saying I want to trade 1 v 1 as mafia because I tell town to lynch the person who shoots me. How does it makes sense? I don't fucking know. Somewhere I want to believe he just scumslipped on my alignment but like I said. He might just be retarded. You people actually understands what he is trying to say right? KOSHI AS MAFIA WANTS TO GO 1 V 1 AFTER HE FLIPPED MAFIA BY TELLING TOWN THEY SHOULD LYNCH THE GUY WHO SHOT MAFIA. BEST FUCKING PLAN MAFIA!KOSHI EVER CAME UP WITH. I APPLAUD MYSELF. | ||
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On March 04 2015 06:37 sicklucker wrote: Rayn didnt even interact with koshi in thread and they were both spamming. Altho I think rayn looks town for questioning a bunch of random people I definitely hate koshi more! I was spamming? hahaha. O boy. Was this before or after I made up the great plan of getting a townie lynched because he shot me as mafia? | ||
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On March 04 2015 06:45 sandroba wrote: @koshi you said you wouldn't be lynched d1, and would in turn do something d1. Was that something complaing about being lynched d1? I was expecting something more helpful. I am not sure if I said that. I am pretty sure that I said that if I get shot I don't see it as being lycnhed. But that was before I had to read the cases from geript and sicklucker. Which aren't cases or isn't anything with value at all. Especially sl his read on me is 100%% bullshit. The best thing I could do is shoot sicklucker as soon as deadline is over. But I won't do it. I cba. I tend to give each mafia game around 8-12 hours a day. Every game I have been in. I try to make decent cases and do actual scumhunting. I try to make sure that games are pleasant and balanced. But it is all for nothing. It just is. Look at the balance of this game. It is a fucking joke. I could type multiple pages on why this game is already not balanced just looking at the set-up. But why bother? I keep doing it and the same fucking hosts keep fucking up. I can only fucking pray that the scum spirit can't make the mafia vigis. I can only fucking pray. Why does scum need 2 kp? When they can get vigi roles? When the lynch mechanics aren't town favored at all. Why? Why is this game over after 3 early ml? It might go a lot longer if town can get mafia to 4, but why is it over after 3 early ml? I don't understand this. Why do the ninjas have 2 kp? Why? It doesn't make any sense. So they can kill potentially 2 townies or 2 scums when they PoE the other ninja? Their wincon has nothing to do with town vs scum. Yet they got INSANE POWER to influence this game. WHY THE FUCK????? I don't give a fuck. geript should be modkilled after his second post. Or at least warned severely in the thread. But I guess I can't hope that the mods of this game actually read the posts. I cannot function when there is a retard like geript calling me mafia for no reason and I know that he can just shoot me. It cannot be asked from me that I care. I just can't. I cannot read the post of sicklucker and then think by myself. You know what Koshi, you should try your best so you can convince this fucking retard that shooting you is not a good move, because -sniped-. I just can't. The sest up is retarded. The players are retarded. The host neglect his duties. I cba. | ||
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On March 04 2015 07:27 kitaman27 wrote: lol koshi, if only the game was put up 5 weeks in advance to give us all the chance to review the setup before deciding whether or not to join  Also for those planning to deadline shoot, you need to make your shot at :59 rather than :00. Only reason that I'm pointing it out despite being against it is that the six mafia players are more likely to recognize this as a team and relay it in the qt than a single individual. How to balance big games. 1) Remove all blue roles. 2) Remove town favored lynch mechanic. 3) Give town less ml than your normal small games 4) Give anti town a shitton of kp. 5) ?? 6) Laugh | ||
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On March 04 2015 07:26 sicklucker wrote: You can shoot an acual mafia read at deadline and you should if your town. Unfortunately you dont have any because your not a great mafia player Funny. You dumb piece of shit. Nice fucking bait. I should just say some shit and ruin your fucking day but who fucking cares. You fucking miserable piece of shit. | ||
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I have never played with syllo in my life. I also thought the message was legit. Dont believe geript he is lying trash. Rayn was dead and the rest was mafia, or not in the game. The message was bullshit if it came from mafia spirit and town spirit couldnt send a message. Many things could be said about this game but I wont. I just had to reply to lies by trashript. | ||
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Getting modkilled over replaced was a terrible decision. I was just really angry about the atrocity of this game. I was promised this game would be balanced but obviously it wasnt. Second big game in a row that the hist euthanises his own game by modkilling somebody for no real reason. Onegu had a point and could easily be warned. But the abomination had to stop. It would only have bought town another retarded lynchmechanic anyway. Just to see mafia use the lynch and shoot town due to being able to type faster. Anyway more later maybe. | ||
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I shall try to ignore this game. Unsubscribe. Sadly I cannot forget | ||
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On March 11 2015 00:07 Half the Sky wrote: Not much of a decision to make when there were no replacements on the list at any point in the game. Not that I recall anyhow. I meant that I didn't replace out sooner or asked for a replacement and instead went on a rage spree till I got modkilled. | ||
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