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On March 10 2015 09:03 Toadesstern wrote:
btw, I saved your ass n1 from being shot and you did get shot!
get killed n1, protected a townie from being shot. I did my job
Thanks <3
Lynch mechanics were interesting at least. A couple were based on availability at the exact time of the deadline, which is a bit unfair to people.
I'm not really sure that the 4 third party kp really fit in the setup though. They make the game pretty swingy that way and I'm not sure they made the game much more interesting. I'll have to check out the spirit roles.
Grats to mafia team
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On March 05 2015 08:49 sicklucker wrote:
Like theres no town roles we all got a green font "town" pm obviously mafia didnt know that.
I have to admit I was really influenced by this post on day two. I couldn't imaging a world where a town player would try to cheat like that or where he wouldn't be insta-modkilled, but I suppose it would be unfair to mafia to modkill a cell member and it's my fault for trying to read into mod actions a bit too much.
Any chance we could get an action list? Not really clear how the powers were distributed based on the qt.
Also pretty funny that everyone was so convinced I was a ninja XD
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On March 10 2015 09:29 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 09:25 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2015 08:49 sicklucker wrote:
Like theres no town roles we all got a green font "town" pm obviously mafia didnt know that. I have to admit I was really influenced by this post on day two. I couldn't imaging a world where that wouldn't be considered cheating and insta-modkilled, but I suppose it would be unfair to mafia to modkill a cell member and it's my fault for trying to read into mod actions a bit too much. Any chance we could get an action list? Not really clear how the powers were distributed based on the qt. I'm not really sure what is mod-killable about that? AFAIK, it's always been permissive to claim your role PM as long as you don't copy-paste it in thread. And mafia was given the same role pm, and same sample fake pm. Unless I'm missing something :o
I was under the impression it broke this one:
Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment.
Especially the discussion of the format since I know several people have been banned for that in the past and every host may not include the color of the text in the sample PM. Not that it would have made a difference though it seems.
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On March 04 2015 07:59 IAmRobik wrote:
##Shoot lightningstorm
I blame Robik for the loss 
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On March 10 2015 09:46 Toadesstern wrote:geript what you wrote about robik was absolutely bullshit: Show nested quote +Also the correct play for Robik is to 100% hold his shot. Shooting there was really really stupid. holding his shot was always a 100% lose for Robik because it was endgame before reaching d3 EVEN WITH double mafia kill on d2. It was between shooting mafia and killing the ninja during n2. If he had no idea who the other ninja was he has to shoot mafia to at least try and avoid endgame, even if unlikely. He proably should not have claimed though.
I think he should have shot in that situation but not at sandroba since he was almost certainly mafia at that point. If I were him I would have shot into the scummiest ninja suspect. Maybe someone like kurumi or slam where they had a decent chance of being third party, but the game wouldn't end if he was wrong.
After the shot, claiming isn't all that bad since the 2nd ninja had already shot. It informs mafia not to shoot him and town not to lynch him.
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On March 10 2015 09:52 Half the Sky wrote:
Not to mention that Kitaman was dead on about mafia placing their votes early and that town was entirely responsible for the fuckup at the end (myself notwithstanding).
Kita, how did you know not to blame any of us when the rest of us were pointing fingers at each other? God tier reads?
Mostly because we were all in the same boat about seeing them both as scummy and struggling to make a decision. Mafia have a tougher time showing that because their either choosing between mislynch or bus and typically don't go back and forth with their read. Plus you were actually reading the thread, when people like kurumi were afk trolling with the onegu vote.
On March 10 2015 09:57 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 09:55 Tubesock wrote:
The other thing I couldn't understand is that you were using mechanics to base your decisions on. Herd mentality/sheeping Kita. As in he was considering mechanics in his decision.
Well after Artanis clarified that the town spirit could buy mafia roles, I think the mechanic argument was dropped.
As a side note, credit to geript for hard defending sandroba with that "meta" read. That was pretty silly sounding. I also found it kinda funny that he was talking about killing off the third party ninjas, yet had earlier talked about how much he read The Mafia mafia were we essentially won by killing off the third parties XD
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If things hadn't ended due to roles, I think town could have probably gotten a couple more scum based on killing off the afkers who didn't care, but not mislynching batsnacks would have been really tough near endgame and mafia probably would have won out anyways.
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The problem with ninjas is that if both miss their shots, they both can claim without counterclaim and then you can end up in a kingmaker endgame.
Ninja's with a night check to determine whether or not their target is a ninja probably works out more smoothly so they aren't shooting blind.
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On March 10 2015 10:14 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 09:25 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2015 08:49 sicklucker wrote:
Like theres no town roles we all got a green font "town" pm obviously mafia didnt know that. I have to admit I was really influenced by this post on day two. I couldn't imaging a world where a town player would try to cheat like that or where he wouldn't be insta-modkilled, but I suppose it would be unfair to mafia to modkill a cell member and it's my fault for trying to read into mod actions a bit too much. Any chance we could get an action list? Not really clear how the powers were distributed based on the qt. Also pretty funny that everyone was so convinced I was a ninja XD Ive been scum in like two artanis games I know he always gives fakeclaims. I was just annoyed that so many people were like OMG HES THE COP WE CANT LYNCH HIM. When he was not a cop he had a 1time check
Yeah fair enough. Now that hosts are getting better about giving fake claims it's less of an issue. In the past, this was pretty rare though and a player could instantly confirm themselves with either the phrasing, format, time of role PM or sender of role PM.
Sorry for the mislynch 
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Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check?
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On March 10 2015 10:24 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check? Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus. Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes.
It would have been pretty funny if onegu flipped as ninja at some point.
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On March 10 2015 10:29 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:25 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check? Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus. Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes. It would have been pretty funny if onegu flipped as ninja at some point. Yah that would've been hilarious. BTW, why didn't you pick up on any of the random Demon's Run posts I made like all over the place. I even used the word backstabby. I was really surprised that you were town because I just figured that you knew I was claiming mafia to you and you didn't comment on it whatsoever.
lol even after you made this post I still wasn't sure what Demon's Run refers to until I had to look it up. I guess I think of it as PTP IV in my head XD
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On March 10 2015 10:37 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:36 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:29 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:25 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check? Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus. Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes. It would have been pretty funny if onegu flipped as ninja at some point. Yah that would've been hilarious. BTW, why didn't you pick up on any of the random Demon's Run posts I made like all over the place. I even used the word backstabby. I was really surprised that you were town because I just figured that you knew I was claiming mafia to you and you didn't comment on it whatsoever. lol even after you made this post I still wasn't sure what Demon's Run refers to until I had to look it up. I guess I think of it as PTP IV in my head XD BUT I SAID BACKSTABBY!!! You don't remember responding to the mafia QT as: "That looks all backstabby."
No, I do not remember a random post I made in 2013.
I better get checked for Alzheimer's.
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On March 10 2015 10:41 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:40 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:37 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:36 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:29 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:25 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check? Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus. Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes. It would have been pretty funny if onegu flipped as ninja at some point. Yah that would've been hilarious. BTW, why didn't you pick up on any of the random Demon's Run posts I made like all over the place. I even used the word backstabby. I was really surprised that you were town because I just figured that you knew I was claiming mafia to you and you didn't comment on it whatsoever. lol even after you made this post I still wasn't sure what Demon's Run refers to until I had to look it up. I guess I think of it as PTP IV in my head XD BUT I SAID BACKSTABBY!!! You don't remember responding to the mafia QT as: "That looks all backstabby." No, I do not remember a random post I made in 2013. I better get checked for Alzheimer's. But it's a memorably random post. So next time remember. I'll be claiming mafia to you so you don't shoot and and so that we can talk about working together better.
I'm never working together with you again.
You're too backstabby.
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On March 10 2015 10:58 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:53 sicklucker wrote:On March 10 2015 10:47 Tubesock wrote:On March 10 2015 10:43 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
I need to articulate better.
I saw and posted Rayne's and Toad's last lists that scummed Sandroba.
I saw how easy it was to make the cell me vs Sicklucker and how much a cop check benefits Sandroba.
It took awhile but after Geript was repeating how he never lies as mafia I realized that mafia having a cop check has value in this game. Cop check someone who's green and night kill them later which would have "confirmed" Sandroba town. Lying about the check, what if town or ninja killed Onegu and he flipped ninja? Then we would have killed Sandroba.
Why didn't people think about this more? Why am I so ignored? Playing devil's advocate: what if sandroba was town, and he did actually check Onegu (which I still think would have been a solid check overall). Sure, your scenario is possible (and was the case), but why aren't the other scenarios possible? Why, in this specific case, is that scenario the only one that makes sense and make sandro scum? There is more to making an argument than just seeing a scenario and thinking "That makes sense, that must be how it happened!" Ah well, I thought about it's most likely. I knew I was town, I believe that mafia could only green or ninja check onegu. So, the only options were Sicklucker and Sandroba. And mafia Sicklucker would bury me. He would never take the word of some weirdo over a cop claim. On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much Game literally solved and I screamed about it but no one cared  Yeah, like why were we being ignored?
Hehe to be fair, you use the logic that you know you're town and you read the other as town, therefore sandroba must be mafia. Players outside of the cell can't use that method of process of elimination. I would have loved to be included with tube, onegu, and sandroba on day two. It's not that all of us didn't care, we just got it wrong.
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On March 10 2015 10:59 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:58 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:50 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote:On March 10 2015 10:33 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game. And how many people in the game have any idea about that or care? I dont even know who either of them are Kita, Rayn, Keirathi, Me, Foolishness, Koshi, Mocsta I think too. Like a surprising amount. FWIW I don't trust syllo/sandro soulread anymore after they fucked with me in Catastrophe by both being mafia :D I mean Sandro really isn't that hard to read... and if you're unsure, wait until d3 and lynch him if he's still alive.
Having TL Mafia LXVI as his most recent town game really didn't help the cause. Sometimes tough to tell between "I'm not posting because I'm too busy" and "I'm not posting because I'm mafia". His lazy post about Breshke should have probably made the difference I suppose.
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