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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 01:06 GMT
#2217
Kurumi, are you aware that there is a green cop check on onegu?

If you feel the check is false, you should probably be voting sandroba. Otherwise, sick/tube.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 02:38 GMT
#2241
On March 06 2015 11:32 Onegu wrote:
Also Keir is most likely town for his vote on me. Makes zero sense for mafia to vote me at this point, they know the green check on me is real as.they know I'm town. Or the 1% chance I'm scum (I'm not), why would a.scum Keir bring attention to me, and a bus would make little.to no sense as if I flipped red at some point him being on me when there was a green check stinks of TMI.


I assume you mean kurumi, not keir?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 02:43 GMT
#2242
On March 06 2015 11:34 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 11:18 Half the Sky wrote:
On March 06 2015 11:14 batsnacks wrote:
Okay I read three of the 4 filters and made my decision.

##vote Tubesock


Elaborate what you think is town on Sandroba please.
Sicklucker is also not very easy to read, generally speaking. Where did you think he was town?


I don't know that Sandroba is town and I didn't feel like reading SL's filter. So... it's tubes for me.


Ninja should mercy kill this guy because he deserves a break after all the hard work he has done this game.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 03:19 GMT
#2248
From the viewpoint of game balance, in a 26 player setup with six mafia and two third party you're going to expect town to have five to seven blue roles.

The lynch mechanics are a bit harsh towards town so the benefit of roles being redistributed nightly shouldn't impact this number much.

So far we have 1 claimed vig and 1 claimed cop check. That is way below the 5-7 roles one would expect. Even in a worst case scenario where toad and rayn were given roles and there are a couple passive vets or something where the player is not aware, we fall short. I suppose people could be holding their actions, but I don't think that benefits us right now if it is clearing sandroba as a result.

sandroba's filter aside, it makes sense that the cop check is legit from a numbers standpoint.

As much as I hate to trust a player who is hardly playing the game, I'm likely choosing between sicklucker and tube.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 03:20 GMT
#2249
On March 05 2015 10:28 sicklucker wrote:
The cop could be real but its far less likely. The most obvious thing is that im town. So if hes real tube is mafia ill reread his filter at some point


Do you find it more likely that we had one blue vig last night in a setup where we should be having at least six?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 03:27 GMT
#2251
A look at past games of similar size:

TL Mafia LXIII:
6 mafia
2 3p
10 blues

TL Mafia LXIII:
6 mafia
4 blues

Storm 2:
5 mafia
2 3p
8 blues

TL Mafia LXVIII:
5 mafia
6 blues

TL Mafia LXIX:
6 mafia
6 blues

Jack of All trades
6 mafia
2 3p
1 blue?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 03:46 GMT
#2252
On January 28 2015 21:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Those points can be spent buying roles for their faction.


Unless of course I'm misinterpreting this statement and it is possible for a town spirit to buy a role for a player outside their faction.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 13:14 GMT
#2337
On March 06 2015 19:43 Mocsta wrote:
Has anyone read rsoultin filter to see if she talked abotu a possible ninja?


Who cares.

Also, based on the fact that a town spirit can buy a mafia player a role, I'm going to assume that sandroba did indeed receive a cop check last night, but that doesn't give us anything about his alignment. Back to the drawing board.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 15:56 GMT
#2350
On March 06 2015 23:53 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 23:24 Mocsta wrote:
On March 06 2015 22:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Vote count
Sandroba (5): sicklucker, Fecalfeast, Tubesock, AT.Epiphany, Half the Sky
sicklucker (4): Onegu, Sepulchre, geript, Breshke
Onegu (1): Kurumi
Tubesock (1): batsnacks

Not voted (9): LightningStrike, ObiWanShinobi, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Sandroba, Mocsta, kitaman27, Keirathi, IAmRobik

At the current vote count, Sandroba will be lynched. You have to vote here.


This is kinda where I'm at right now.
goingn to vote sandroba.



Ugg I just don't see why a scum sandroba checks/fake checks me as green? Like why not red check someone out of the cell? That way it's at least a 2for 1... And then depending on what lynch catgories come up it could be days before his check flips. Letting him live on a cop claim. Just doesn't make sense for a scum in my cell to give me a green check, when one of the most vocal players (Geript) would be pushing for my lynch.


For the sake of argument, if sandroba is mafia does it really matter to him who gets lynched out of the three so long as he saves himself and the other three are all town?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 16:44 GMT
#2355
Sandroba

Sandroba jumps on Mocsta's case against breshke, but the only thing he adds to the case turns out to be a misread.

On March 04 2015 06:24 sandroba wrote:
However that would be lazy and I'm not feeling particularly lazy right now.


After I point out that sandroba is lazy when scum, he goes out of his way to post this, but doesn't do much to show otherwise.

Following the your mom flip, he calls the shot awful yet never shared his opinion prior to the shot. He claimed he would be shooting at the 24 hour mark, admits the rayn shot was terrible, but doesn't attempt to make his preferred shot first.

Setup balance suggests the cop check is legit, but doesn't say much about his alignment.

Sandroba has 6 posts on day two, 5 are about his cop check.

Little to no scum hunting efforts, which he blames on availability.




Sicklucker

Has trouble keeping his story straight when claiming to not know about roles from spirits, yet asking for a gun during day one.

His priorities shift pretty dramatically when learning that he is a member of the cell and has to fight for survival.

He goes after sandroba pretty hard, with little consideration that tube may be mafia, a player he hadn't even mentioned earlier.

He puts a lot of effort in reinforcing the fact that he is obvious town. He references the town role PM which mafia have knowledge of, he references his ignorance about the spirit roles, he brings up that his relationship with tube should be a town tell for us, he mentions several times that he doesn't get lynched as town.

His mafia list are the process of elimination cell members and the afks/trolls. He produced a similar list in one of the mafia games I read.




I'm eliminating tube right now since he looks a bit better to me than on day one. Maybe I'll be kicking myself postgame.

Based on the bullet points above, I'm leaning towards voting sandroba. A lot of the sicklucker points could go either way as town or mafia. I wouldn't be totally shocked if we ran into another one of sandroba's no show town games though.

If someone (other than sicklucker) wants to shed light to the above thoughts or point out something I'm not seeing, please share.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 16:48 GMT
#2356
On March 07 2015 01:30 geript wrote:
My experience is that as mafia he does absolutely nothing and waits to be AFK lynched. That's not what I see here.


Could you elaborate? I think even sandroba would admit that he has done close to nothing, yet you come to the town conclusion.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 17:23 GMT
#2364
On March 07 2015 02:12 geript wrote:
Like I've never played with Sandro's town game, but I've never seen him recognize contrasting information about people. Whether it's your point on misreading Breshke or look at meta or anything.


sandroba's point about Breshke was that Breshke concluded sandroba was mafia.
I pointed out that Breshke came to the opposite conclusion.

So if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that a mafia sandroba would refuse to acknowledge the text that refutes his point?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 19:56 GMT
#2469
The math would be without replacement so in the 64% range, but that is besides the point

sandroba I asked you a couple times about your comment about your mom. If you felt it was an awful shot, why didn't you saying anything ahead of time?

Also why did you change your mind about deadline shooting if your mom was the target?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 20:00 GMT
#2472
Furthermore, aside from sick/tube, which players in particular are shady for voting you and why?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 20:03 GMT
#2475
[QUOTE]On March 07 2015 04:56 kitaman27 wrote:
The math would be without replacement so in the 64% range, but that is besides the point ?/QUOTE]

And while this is completely irrelevant, the calculation assumes that 1 mafia was randomly selected and the remaining 3 slots were randomly selected from the pool. In reality, you probably want to assume that 4 players were randomized and rerolled until at least one was mafia, which would be a bit different XD
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 20:06 GMT
#2478
On March 07 2015 05:03 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 06:11 sandroba wrote:
On March 04 2015 06:07 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 04 2015 05:10 sandroba wrote:
Breshe ends up agreeing with rayn that my behavior is scummy, even though he himself thought it wasn't scummy to do what I proposed. Wouldn't him as a towny think that I might have been thinking the same thing as him and didn't consider what rayn said like he didn't?


On March 03 2015 22:30 Breshke wrote:
Yes I didn't think sandroba is scummy because i didn't think about the device being a distraction when town was in a bad way......I'm town and the good reason (the one you gave about it being a distraction) did not occur to me so I find it hard to scumread sandroba for not realizing something that I also did not.


Uhh sandroba, doesn't Breshke eventually come to the same conclusion that you're willing to shoot him for not coming to?

uhu somehow I misread that, and that was really what tipped me off
well, back to the filter diving I guess. I don't really like either YM or koshi shots tbh.

I didn't go much into it because I didn't think anyone would actually shoot him but, I did mention it. Not sure what's your point though.


Not sure if this is response to me or not, but this is what I'm asking about:

On March 04 2015 08:52 sandroba wrote:
Rayn I'm torn about right now, his shot was awful


Why did you not comment earlier about rayn's arguments if you felt this way?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 21:27 GMT
#2528
lol I've gone back and forth in my head so many times -_-

Voting SL.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 21:46 GMT
#2551
On March 07 2015 06:28 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2015 06:27 kitaman27 wrote:
lol I've gone back and forth in my head so many times -_-

Voting SL.


I'm not trying to be cynical here, but did you flip a coin or are you going off the copcheck?


You know what's funny? I did flip a coin earlier in the day and it told me to vote sandroba. I'm going against fate here XD

I'm actually ignoring the cop check here.

I think the cop check is legit, but a town spirit can give a role to any faction and I think sandroba probably claims the check as any faction.

I know he didn't follow through, but sandroba claiming to shoot at the start of day one is a high risk policy as scum. sandroba is the type of player willing to make high risk players though which is why I'm back and forth so much.

SL got really worked up after the cop check. I'm wondering if he felt that he would lose straight up against tube which is why he went strong against sandro. The whole "I didn't know about roles in this game so I'm town" thing still bothers me. As town your posts are genuine, but as mafia you can lose track of what you've said earlier.

meh at least the deadline is interesting this cycle
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 22:11 GMT
#2566
On March 07 2015 06:14 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2015 06:10 sicklucker wrote:
I dont want to understand what hes saying if his logic is to kill the green check and not the person claiming the green check


Also, if you understood what he's really saying, then you'd understand what he's really doing and what that really means.


Do you feel that it is beneficial not to interpret what "he's really saying" for the rest of us?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 06 2015 22:16 GMT
#2573
On March 07 2015 07:12 sicklucker wrote:
Last 5 votes on me in order

Slam
Kita
Hts
Obi

Those are the most likely mafia if my theorys right. Kita might be a wrong town but hes in bad company


Rebel souls, deserters we are called
Chose a gun and threw away the Son
Now these towns, they all know our name
6-gun sound is our claim to fame
I can hear them say

Bad company
And I won't deny
Bad, bad company
'Til the day I die, oh, yeah
'Til the day I die
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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