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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 03 2015 19:09 GMT
#941
On March 04 2015 04:06 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 04:03 geript wrote:
I'd replace tube/ff/Koshi with slam/breschke/ +1. Probaly Kita. This doesn't remind of the game where I was mafia with him. Not really seeing agenda driven play.

why slam?

Because I'm a fucking God at reading slam and Rayn is my wayward prophet.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 03 2015 19:09 GMT
#942
On March 04 2015 04:08 geript wrote:
Except that's not how to VE seen Kita play mafia at all. He'll be a low volume poster but steer lynches despite it. Like really strongly. I don't really see that here.

I don't like the fact he decided to leave the argument between me and him "undecided".
He doesn't really do that as town.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 03 2015 19:10 GMT
#943
He was like "you are making sense here, but i don't know about this... idk... cyalaterz"


.......
table for two on a tv tray
your mom
Profile Blog Joined August 2014
262 Posts
March 03 2015 19:10 GMT
#944
moving rayn from the town pile
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 03 2015 19:10 GMT
#945
On March 04 2015 04:08 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 04:05 geript wrote:
On March 04 2015 04:00 your mom wrote:
On March 03 2015 08:02 geript wrote:
I actually am pretty sure that HTS is going to get shot by me in 24 hours. Like 98% sure unless somebody is a complete dumbass and tunnels me for a really dumbass reason.


geript do you still stand by this

No. I really liked the point Rayn made on HtS. The slam post was really interesting. Really poignant.

The problem I have with HtS is that she's not asking people for opinions. That's a staple of her town play and it's just not happening this game. Contrarily, I really like her opening and I like her justification that it's not scummy because she's town. I might be misremembering my own play, but I think I usually say that type of stuff as town and not mafia.


Mmm, I'm not as good at reading HtS as I'd like to be, but I'd say if she's not making her own opinions with something of a fuck all attitude real shortly here, she's a good shot.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
your mom
Profile Blog Joined August 2014
262 Posts
March 03 2015 19:11 GMT
#946
and into the drunk pile
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 03 2015 19:12 GMT
#947
On March 04 2015 04:10 your mom wrote:
moving rayn from the town pile

you literally just said that you didn't have him in your town pile 5 posts ago. WTF are you doing !??!?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 03 2015 19:13 GMT
#948
On March 04 2015 04:07 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 04:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 04 2015 04:03 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 04 2015 04:00 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 04 2015 03:57 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 03 2015 10:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
ok tubesack is pretty townie

yea...this post

You calling that post bad? If so you got more stuff on FF other than that post?

wtf?!?!?!?

Why wtf? Clearly I asking your thing on FF.

clearly i'm done fucking talking to you since you literally read one post of mine and drew some random fucking conclusion when in the VERY PREVIOUS POST I MADE ABOUT FF I CALLED HIM TOWN AND HAD HIM AS TOWN IN MY LIST AND GERIPT ASKED ME TO JUSTIFY WHY I THOUGHT HE WAS TOWN

Shit I relooked at your filter and the misspelling of FF was the reason I couldn't understand it. My bad bro just chill maybe.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 03 2015 19:13 GMT
#949
On March 04 2015 03:53 your mom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 03:48 Tubesock wrote:
On March 04 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:
Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. Your idea wasn't terrible, but the longer you hide behind that list, the more townie points you're losing.


Rayn, Toad, Geript are pretty obvious towns. You're town too, although I feel like Eden would scum you for having a low emote to post ratio. You have been interacting quite a bit.

Mocsta is town for his zealousness going against Epiphany. I think Epiphany is town too because he reminds me of Jarjar stubbornly holding onto his equation (device and how to shoot plan).

Keirathi, Sandroba, Robik (until a just a moment ago), Sicklucker haven't done anything. I'm scumming them for that. I have a tinfoil hat theory on how to read Sicklucker, so if a couple pieces fall together for him I could town him.

Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him.


inclined to agree on toad, too early for rayn to be obvious, didnt really see geript shining town, in fact i should take a look at him, why is geript obvious town?

WHEN THE FUCK DID YOU HAVE RAYN IN YOUR TOWN PILE?!?!?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 03 2015 19:13 GMT
#950
On March 04 2015 04:11 your mom wrote:
and into the drunk pile

another bad reason, not drunk.
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your mom
Profile Blog Joined August 2014
262 Posts
March 03 2015 19:14 GMT
#951
On March 04 2015 04:00 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 03:51 your mom wrote:
On March 04 2015 03:48 Tubesock wrote:
On March 04 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:
Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. Your idea wasn't terrible, but the longer you hide behind that list, the more townie points you're losing.


Rayn, Toad, Geript are pretty obvious towns. You're town too, although I feel like Eden would scum you for having a low emote to post ratio. You have been interacting quite a bit.

Mocsta is town for his zealousness going against Epiphany. I think Epiphany is town too because he reminds me of Jarjar stubbornly holding onto his equation (device and how to shoot plan).

Keirathi, Sandroba, Robik (until a just a moment ago), Sicklucker haven't done anything. I'm scumming them for that. I have a tinfoil hat theory on how to read Sicklucker, so if a couple pieces fall together for him I could town him.

Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him.


rayns arguments are that i scumread people off a few posts before looking at the entire game, and keep scumreading them for those posts (which is supposed to make the whole "fabricated")

now point me to the part you find convincing please. rayn called me mafia on the get go so he couldnt have thought that i was mafia cause stubborn, since it was shortly after game start and before i went to bed. he called me mafia after i woke up today for reasons. but the first time he calls me mafia, do you see a reason for it?


I didn't see a reason for him scumming you at first. But later he does, and lays them out. I read Rayn's case and thought that makes sense. I then reread your filter and the first few pages looking at you and skimming the rest, but then I don't see the scum. But I really think Rayn is town. So, I'm conflicted and unsure. It is why I'm not voting you just yet.

Geript is doing stuff and interacting a lot. He grilled Epiphany (still even but more politely). He doesn't appear to be afraid to say anything and is pushing an agenda. There's some things he's done that seemed scummy (pushing for chaos with plan rejection and not pushing an alternative, pushing the ninja stuff) but that stuff is either outweighed by or explained by his other actions. It's definitely possible he's scum, but we can't shoot him today. No way.


there are no votes today. scum would be dumb not to shoot and let the day end that way, the good ones will try their best to prepare their reasoning for the shot they are going to choose. in fact i find it scummy you didnt think about this, it gives me the impression youre disconnected from the game. in fact you play all the way like youre trying to not get your hands dirty, moving responsibility away from you etc.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 03 2015 19:14 GMT
#952
On March 04 2015 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 04:08 geript wrote:
Except that's not how to VE seen Kita play mafia at all. He'll be a low volume poster but steer lynches despite it. Like really strongly. I don't really see that here.

I don't like the fact he decided to leave the argument between me and him "undecided".
He doesn't really do that as town.

Yah Rayn, but just fucking trust me on the goddamn fucking read. Like you know how god tier my townreads usually are. Look at The Game if you want. But it feels exceptionally different. I'd deeply meta it if I real needed to convince you. But I shouldn't have to.
your mom
Profile Blog Joined August 2014
262 Posts
March 03 2015 19:14 GMT
#953
On March 04 2015 04:13 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 03:53 your mom wrote:
On March 04 2015 03:48 Tubesock wrote:
On March 04 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:
Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. Your idea wasn't terrible, but the longer you hide behind that list, the more townie points you're losing.


Rayn, Toad, Geript are pretty obvious towns. You're town too, although I feel like Eden would scum you for having a low emote to post ratio. You have been interacting quite a bit.

Mocsta is town for his zealousness going against Epiphany. I think Epiphany is town too because he reminds me of Jarjar stubbornly holding onto his equation (device and how to shoot plan).

Keirathi, Sandroba, Robik (until a just a moment ago), Sicklucker haven't done anything. I'm scumming them for that. I have a tinfoil hat theory on how to read Sicklucker, so if a couple pieces fall together for him I could town him.

Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him.


inclined to agree on toad, too early for rayn to be obvious, didnt really see geript shining town, in fact i should take a look at him, why is geript obvious town?

WHEN THE FUCK DID YOU HAVE RAYN IN YOUR TOWN PILE?!?!?


literally a few posts before that one
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 03 2015 19:15 GMT
#954
On March 04 2015 04:14 your mom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 04:13 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 04 2015 03:53 your mom wrote:
On March 04 2015 03:48 Tubesock wrote:
On March 04 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:
Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. Your idea wasn't terrible, but the longer you hide behind that list, the more townie points you're losing.


Rayn, Toad, Geript are pretty obvious towns. You're town too, although I feel like Eden would scum you for having a low emote to post ratio. You have been interacting quite a bit.

Mocsta is town for his zealousness going against Epiphany. I think Epiphany is town too because he reminds me of Jarjar stubbornly holding onto his equation (device and how to shoot plan).

Keirathi, Sandroba, Robik (until a just a moment ago), Sicklucker haven't done anything. I'm scumming them for that. I have a tinfoil hat theory on how to read Sicklucker, so if a couple pieces fall together for him I could town him.

Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him.


inclined to agree on toad, too early for rayn to be obvious, didnt really see geript shining town, in fact i should take a look at him, why is geript obvious town?

WHEN THE FUCK DID YOU HAVE RAYN IN YOUR TOWN PILE?!?!?


literally a few posts before that one

So you moved him from town to "too early to read" to "not town" in the matter of 5 posts?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 03 2015 19:16 GMT
#955
On March 04 2015 04:14 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 04 2015 04:08 geript wrote:
Except that's not how to VE seen Kita play mafia at all. He'll be a low volume poster but steer lynches despite it. Like really strongly. I don't really see that here.

I don't like the fact he decided to leave the argument between me and him "undecided".
He doesn't really do that as town.

Yah Rayn, but just fucking trust me on the goddamn fucking read. Like you know how god tier my townreads usually are. Look at The Game if you want. But it feels exceptionally different. I'd deeply meta it if I real needed to convince you. But I shouldn't have to.

You mean on kita being mafia? I can do that.
I don't trust your read on Koshi being 100% mafia because i am not sure of it at all anymore.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 03 2015 19:18 GMT
#956
ehh are you saying he is not mafia because of your meta read?
well that does not work out, he usually steers lynches as town aswell.
table for two on a tv tray
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 03 2015 19:20 GMT
#957
On March 04 2015 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
your mom - kill with fire right fucking now
sandroba
kita
batsnacks


i don't know about the rest but somewhere between
Onegu/Koshi/Slam/Sepulchre/Damdred/Robert.

My order:
Koshi--Bitch plz
Onegu--I'm actually really glad you brought him up. I had kinda forgotten about him. That's actually quite telling.
Sandroba--I think there's better ways of finding his alignment but probably not a bad shot
Your Mom--Maybe rayn is right. Maybe rayn is crazy.

Those are the only people I really agree with. Robik is kinda tbd but his townlist is pretty solid for the most part I think. Slam's town. I remember thinking Damdred was town.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
March 03 2015 19:22 GMT
#958
On March 04 2015 04:20 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
your mom - kill with fire right fucking now
sandroba
kita
batsnacks


i don't know about the rest but somewhere between
Onegu/Koshi/Slam/Sepulchre/Damdred/Robert.

My order:
Koshi--Bitch plz
Onegu--I'm actually really glad you brought him up. I had kinda forgotten about him. That's actually quite telling.
Sandroba--I think there's better ways of finding his alignment but probably not a bad shot
Your Mom--Maybe rayn is right. Maybe rayn is crazy.

Those are the only people I really agree with. Robik is kinda tbd but his townlist is pretty solid for the most part I think. Slam's town. I remember thinking Damdred was town.

I remember thinking slam was town too -- and i have no idea how to read slam
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 03 2015 19:25 GMT
#959
On March 04 2015 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ehh are you saying he is not mafia because of your meta read?
well that does not work out, he usually steers lynches as town aswell.

No like, D1 Bugs made a case on Greymist because GM was busy and he could get him lynched. But like, throughout the game Kita was in and out picking and poking. Like it's not because he's pushing lynches. It's because of like how he's posting. Like as mafia I remember reading him and bugs after that game like 8-10 times trying to figure out what I could improve. Like it's more that his posts don't seem idk directional. Like there's not a clear purpose or agenda that he's trying to make. Rather that he's just try to make points. Like that's what I remember thinking and that's what I find very towny about him.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
March 03 2015 19:26 GMT
#960
On March 04 2015 04:14 your mom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 04:00 Tubesock wrote:
On March 04 2015 03:51 your mom wrote:
On March 04 2015 03:48 Tubesock wrote:
On March 04 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:
Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. Your idea wasn't terrible, but the longer you hide behind that list, the more townie points you're losing.


Rayn, Toad, Geript are pretty obvious towns. You're town too, although I feel like Eden would scum you for having a low emote to post ratio. You have been interacting quite a bit.

Mocsta is town for his zealousness going against Epiphany. I think Epiphany is town too because he reminds me of Jarjar stubbornly holding onto his equation (device and how to shoot plan).

Keirathi, Sandroba, Robik (until a just a moment ago), Sicklucker haven't done anything. I'm scumming them for that. I have a tinfoil hat theory on how to read Sicklucker, so if a couple pieces fall together for him I could town him.

Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him.


rayns arguments are that i scumread people off a few posts before looking at the entire game, and keep scumreading them for those posts (which is supposed to make the whole "fabricated")

now point me to the part you find convincing please. rayn called me mafia on the get go so he couldnt have thought that i was mafia cause stubborn, since it was shortly after game start and before i went to bed. he called me mafia after i woke up today for reasons. but the first time he calls me mafia, do you see a reason for it?


I didn't see a reason for him scumming you at first. But later he does, and lays them out. I read Rayn's case and thought that makes sense. I then reread your filter and the first few pages looking at you and skimming the rest, but then I don't see the scum. But I really think Rayn is town. So, I'm conflicted and unsure. It is why I'm not voting you just yet.

Geript is doing stuff and interacting a lot. He grilled Epiphany (still even but more politely). He doesn't appear to be afraid to say anything and is pushing an agenda. There's some things he's done that seemed scummy (pushing for chaos with plan rejection and not pushing an alternative, pushing the ninja stuff) but that stuff is either outweighed by or explained by his other actions. It's definitely possible he's scum, but we can't shoot him today. No way.


there are no votes today. scum would be dumb not to shoot and let the day end that way, the good ones will try their best to prepare their reasoning for the shot they are going to choose. in fact i find it scummy you didnt think about this, it gives me the impression youre disconnected from the game. in fact you play all the way like youre trying to not get your hands dirty, moving responsibility away from you etc.


I guess I just don't understand your reasoning here. If you mean that I'm going to only post the "counts" and not throw out any reads then yes, that is a reasonable reason to scum me. That to me would be keeping my hands clean, but I'm also putting out reads which I think moves responsibility back to me. I don't see how I'm skirting that.

good mafia preparing their best reasoning for a shot is going to happen whether or not we do a vote count. They do this for lynches, and the shot is going to be seen by everyone, no shooter can hide from it. Why is this relevant or an argument for or against deciding the shot victim by majority?

There's been a couple players saying they were going to shoot at deadline no matter what. I don't think my idea is insuring the shot goes at deadline any more than what they've already said even before I proposed this idea. I'm still not seeing anyone introducing a more town favored plan. The only objections were from people saying it's a naive idea.

Is there something that Rayn is doing that is scummy other than scumming you?
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