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geript
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Mocsta
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On March 03 2015 17:20 AT.Epiphany wrote: First off, I'm not throwing the newbie card, literally Mocsta's entire post is about making fun of me being a newbie in his faux 'translation', so stop faking that accusation. Secondly, I'm not sure if he's scum or not, (which is why I didn't accuse him) but it does seem strange to me argue that Slam is scum because he is coherent. If he's capable of being coherent, there's no reason why he wouldn't be so as town and moreover what I objected to was that the only reasoning tubesock provided was "kochi said so this some other game" which is a very strange reason. Lets talk some more. It appears you are pouncing on the logic of others without considering your read on either player?? Tell me 2 tentative things: (1) Read on koshi (2) Read on Slam I am not looking for concrete justification. A lean will do. | ||
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geript
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On March 03 2015 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well it is a really accurate way of reading Slam. I never actually read his bits of pushes. It's a lot on tone and how he's playing. So you're really wrong there. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On March 03 2015 17:25 geript wrote: I never actually read his bits of pushes. So you're really wrong there. read this again yourself geript  | ||
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AT.Epiphany
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On March 03 2015 17:22 geript wrote: Can Epiphany please tell me more about how I'm trying to steer conversation away from who needs to die? I Could use another good laugh. I line your point on HtS. That's a really interesting read. Wrong. But interesting. Stop misquoting. The problem is ALL you're talking about is who needs to die, not how that decision gets made, and the latter is very relevant in this lynch set-up. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On March 03 2015 17:28 AT.Epiphany wrote: The problem is ALL you're talking about is who needs to die, not how that decision gets made, and the latter is very relevant in this lynch set-up. No it's not. All we need to talk about is who needs to die, the "how" is already decided. | ||
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AT.Epiphany
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On March 03 2015 17:24 Mocsta wrote: Lets talk some more. It appears you are pouncing on the logic of others without considering your read on either player?? Tell me 2 tentative things: (1) Read on koshi (2) Read on Slam I am not looking for concrete justification. A lean will do. Ok the read on Slam is easier, and my read on him is that he's Town. His post on the lynching method is accurate and correctly outlines what town ought to be doing. He's working towards a plan that has been entirely derailed by this shitstorm. The read on Koshi's much tougher because he's said/done very little and I don't know him well enough to be able to interpret that very well. I'm leaning towards Townie, partly because he strongly wants to lynch vigilante shooters who get it wrong and partly because I don't think he'd be that open about non-participating if he was Mafia. I know WIFOM, but no one really buys WIFOM defenses and he's put himself right in front of the spotlight. | ||
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AT.Epiphany
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On March 03 2015 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it's not. All we need to talk about is who needs to die, the "how" is already decided. What was decided by the way? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Let's say we decide that player X is mafia. Now X is going to be shot. Regardless of X's alignment he will attempt to shoot someone before getting shot if it's possible for him. Obviously because if he is mafia he wants to kil la townie. Obviously because if he is town there is a chance he hits mafia and the town doesn't "mislynch" him. Every single player in this game will do that. Hell even this sandroba guy who made the nice shiny utopia post Mocsta was talking about has been arguing against his own utopia all game long.. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On March 03 2015 17:31 AT.Epiphany wrote: i'm going to drop you for nowOk the read on Slam is easier, and my read on him is that he's Town. His post on the lynching method is accurate and correctly outlines what town ought to be doing. He's working towards a plan that has been entirely derailed by this shitstorm. The read on Koshi's much tougher because he's said/done very little and I don't know him well enough to be able to interpret that very well. I'm leaning towards Townie, partly because he strongly wants to lynch vigilante shooters who get it wrong and partly because I don't think he'd be that open about non-participating if he was Mafia. I know WIFOM, but no one really buys WIFOM defenses and he's put himself right in front of the spotlight. basis (1) I don't find this conversation (or Geripts productive) Seems at the moment that this is more philosphical debates on how to play mafia vs. actaul mafia interference (2) If you did find Slam + Koshi town. it would be natural to assume people attacking them are not. (3) BH is in this game  Continuing the chat I have to take a dump. But next on my list is Breche + Sepultura. THoughts? | ||
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geript
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You know what I mean Rayn. His pushes aren't what ever makes him town or mafia. They're really quite irrelevant because they're the easiest thing for him to simulate. It's his fun factor. How he seeks enjoyment while adding to the enjoyment of others. How he doesn't quite give a fuck and let's go. Like as mafia he's a total puss because he wants to trick everyone but knows that if he does his normal shit he'll get lynched at some point. So he's too scared to really be free. So yah. His pushes and shit I don't read because the content isn't great. There'll be a gem or two here and there as town but that's all you need. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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geript
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On March 03 2015 17:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: so which is it this game? Slams town this game Rayn. Ezpz. Would you like me to explain to you why so you can know for future games? | ||
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geript
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On March 03 2015 17:43 Kurumi wrote: Hi guys, I'm Chezinu! Hi CheZinU. I'm a bank robber. Will you open your vaults to me? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Mocsta could also be scum. There is one really bad comment he should never make as town. | ||
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Mocsta
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To the point. Sort of witty. Even prompted me to read into OWS, of which I like the direction. Fully agree with the assessment of: On March 03 2015 08:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Its the whole passive aggressive feel YET lack of implication in the post.What exactly are you expecting ftr? A bunch of people pressured her to draw a conclusion so would you just expect her to say nothing? Scum points for you. This is how I would write a post as scum. Like a chihuahua hiding behind a fence. barking through a megaphone. | ||
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Mocsta
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On March 03 2015 17:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I heavily disagree geript. Mocsta could also be scum. There is one really bad comment he should never make as town. Should doesnt equivocate to never would. Thoughts on OWS please. | ||
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AT.Epiphany
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On March 03 2015 17:37 Mocsta wrote: i'm going to drop you for now basis (1) I don't find this conversation (or Geripts productive) Seems at the moment that this is more philosphical debates on how to play mafia vs. actaul mafia interference (2) If you did find Slam + Koshi town. it would be natural to assume people attacking them are not. (3) BH is in this game Continuing the chat I have to take a dump. But next on my list is Breche + Sepultura. THoughts? I lean towards townreading Breske because again right from the start he's proposing a plan that is constructive and is the right decision for town in this phase. I realize this is moving again towards this 'philosophical' issue of how to pick a lynch, but this is the least chaotic, most well-defined of making the decision, so I'm very likely to townread the people who initially pushed this idea. Sepulchre I mostly scumread for the converse reason. He's the first to try and consciously steer this discussion away from plans (in a set-up where there is a great deal of point to at least to discussing a plan). Also, I'm slightly suspicious of just how many people he points a finger at, without town-reading anyone. I also don't understand his critique of the fact that 'the plan' seems to be accepted (it was being favourably at the time he posted). That's not a very confident read though and it's entirely possible that he really does believe all the planning is a waste of time and somebody will randomly shoot anyway. | ||
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AT.Epiphany
India117 Posts
On March 03 2015 17:49 Mocsta wrote: I like Sepulchre after a second read. To the point. Sort of witty. Even prompted me to read into OWS, of which I like the direction. Fully agree with the assessment of: Its the whole passive aggressive feel YET lack of implication in the post. Like a chihuahua hiding behind a fence. barking through a megaphone. And I agree, I liked his post the moment I read it because he wrote one detailed post, very well. It just indicates he's probably good, but that's not more likely to make me townread him. It's well written and witty, but I'm still leaning scum. | ||
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