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Trfel

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February 17 2015 18:07 GMT

#706

On February 18 2015 03:02 Tere wrote:

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Actually that's more than helpful, since it has more than half the current game in it!

Haha, be careful when you use meta

The first notable thing I ever did in a mafia game was post a huge case with maybe 5 lines of actual case and then pages and pages of meta. It didn't go so well, but since then I have greatly reduced my usage of meta.

Trfel

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February 17 2015 18:15 GMT

#708

On February 18 2015 03:12 Tere wrote:
Of course.

Trfel, have you rolled scum yet anywhere?

Please don't remind me....

Student Mafia V. What a nightmare that was. I should probably go thank the cop for red checking me to get it over with more quickly.

Trfel

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February 17 2015 18:31 GMT

#709

I'll be out for a while. Happy scumhunting!

ElyAs, I noticed that your activity died off a bit after the End of Day. Is it possible to get more recent thoughts, specifically with regards to zlefin and Silverarte?

Trfel

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February 17 2015 19:10 GMT

#717

Tere, I'm curious, how should one pronounce your name?

And I don't want to kill you... at least not yet.

Trfel

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February 17 2015 21:24 GMT

#724

That's much more like it. Both from zlefin and Tere. I approve. Though I'm not sure about Tere scumreading The Shining.

Trfel

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February 17 2015 22:43 GMT

#728

Hm? I've stated several times, very clearly, why I am currently thinking that you are town. If I didn't, well, it's in my Word document awaiting posting one minute before Day 2. In summary, you made a good response, and most of my initial comments (I hesitate to call it a case, it really wasn't) turned out to be misinterpretations.

Trfel

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February 17 2015 22:50 GMT

#729

On February 18 2015 07:36 The Shining wrote:
Oh, another thing. Trfel, care to address something for me? I forgot to bring this up earlier. When you cased me, you left yourself a little disclaimer that it was late and you'd revisit it in the morning. You also asked for a sanity check on me. You also came back the next day, cased me again and once I gave you an adequate response(which I'm not seeing many others sold on it), basically left it alone. Now you're not so sure on Tere's read on me, which is your case shrunken down(don't like the opening, defensive), but the fact remains it was originally your case.

So what exactly changed your mind about me? You say things you brought up about me are scummy. But see some real scumhunting in my filter. At that point, it seems you may have been fishing to see general thread sentiment about me. Now Tere during night phase brings up the same thing and you're unsure about her scumreading me? Are you trying to distance yourself from a 2nd mislynch?

Also, you were vocally against the Hier lynch. Trying to get some deniability for the inevitable mislynch you knew was coming? And you were really defensive about how suspicious I was of you from the very beginning of the game. You also seem to think you're invincible(one of your posts mentioned you'd never be lynched due to filter size) when all townies are equally likely to die.

Yeah, I'll be back with thoughts on Tere and a possible case on Truffle. Rereading your filter better be super townie to me.

Oh. The whole post was about me. Sorry, I took a nap and just woke up a minute ago, I'm still waking up.

I don't see myself as unlynchable due to filter length, I like to think that I am unlynchable because I have been consistently providing content and reads and because I know that I am town and refuse to be lynched. Filter length means nothing, as many of my posts haven't been particularly useful. That said, I do have a reasonable thread presence, and so it is silly to lynch me without good reasoning (which I strongly doubt will ever arise, since I am town).

To clarify, your response to my suspicions on you was very good, in my opinion. So I dropped my suspicions.

While I was against the Hier lynch, I take responsibility for my vote. It was my decision, and though I wasn't happy with it, I chose what I thought was best at the time. I also know that I am basically never happy with a lynch, even when I had created a case which basically everyone said was a slam dunk case (in fact, I switched off of the wagon that I led, which carried on without me to lynch the mafia). Rsoultin already stated that I am never sure of my vote, and that really is true.

Trfel

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February 17 2015 22:58 GMT

#732

On February 18 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote:
Yeah but in it you posted a bit where you said I mentioned my push on Zlef was "slight" as if I were trying to distance myself from the lynch? Which is exactly what you did in that same post by saying you were sleepy and might need to revisit it.

And you, you haven't actually CLEARLY stated it, or I wouldn't be pinging on it. This was your reasoning:

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On February 17 2015 05:43 Trfel wrote:

On February 17 2015 05:41 rsoultin wrote:

On February 17 2015 05:37 Trfel wrote:

On February 17 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:

On February 17 2015 05:30 Trfel wrote:

On February 17 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:

On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:

On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this?

You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it?

In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself.

Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.

Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might.

Read his case, Trfel. It was in response to his disclaimer xP The statement had nothing to do with who was or wasn't right. In fact, please read his entire case closely, since you haven't yet.

I have in fact read it. He's stated that you could just be an inexperienced player at least once before. While I find this notion humorous, I still don't think that you needed to emphasize that you are more experienced than he is. Whatever, I guess it shouldn't be a big deal, and I shouldn't fuss over it.

Okay, maybe I didn't lol.

I don't get where he's coming from as town...but as scum throwing that in there if he somehow does manage to mislynch me xP doubtful unless people just fall for the big shiny case strat...gives him something to go back to and say oops about.

You're a better player than to get mislynched. Don't be silly. If we actually get enough votes to lynch you, you are going to flip scum, or you gave up on the game.

So I guess we're down to Hier or zlefin? And I really don't like a zlefin lynch.

Unless you still want Shining? I could see him being scum, but I don't want him over Hier at present lol

Nah, man, I've been mislynched twice. On the same day, ironically. It happens lol. But I was actually talking to intent. I expressly said how much I've played to Tere earlier, so it's not a secret -shrugs- Course, he could just not be reading.

I guess I don't want to lynch The Shining at the moment. While I still believe that the things I brought up look scummy, as I stated at the time, several other parts of his filter look like real scumhunting.

Were you actually mislynched twice on the same day??? I have some research to do. One of those was LYLO in Student Mafia V, right?

So you guess you don't want to lynch me but things still look scummy but things look like real scumhunting, too. It just felt too inconsistent to me.

Is it not wrong to allow for the possibility that being sleepy could negatively affect my play? In the past, I've usually played fine while extremely tired, but in my last game I made a terrible blunder at about 4:30 AM. I don't see sleepiness as being a problem to hold back my reads for, but it would be silly to not mention it as a possibility. As for distancing myself from my scumread of you, it was NOT a scumread. I found a few things I felt were suspicious, and I wanted to hear thoughts from you and other people. Believe me, if I am scumreading someone, I will make it absolutely sure that everyone knows.

Some things you did looked scummy, some things you did looked fine. I concluded that the result didn't make me want to lynch you at that time. Is that a problem?

Trfel

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February 17 2015 23:03 GMT

#733

Hrm, I might have lost a post somewhere. I was sure that I made a post commenting on The Shining's response to my post and about how it seemed to mostly have started in misinterpretations. But at a quick glance, I couldn't find it.

Oh well, that was why my read changed. If you would like, I can probably go back and reconstruct my thought process at the time.

Trfel

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February 17 2015 23:11 GMT

#735

On February 18 2015 08:07 rsoultin wrote:
You did, Truffle. Close to EoD I think.

Ah, thanks. There it is.

On February 17 2015 11:24 Trfel wrote:
Ok, I definitely owe The Shining a response.

Thanks very much to responding to my comments. I like that response a lot. It seems that a lot of my suspicions were just me misinterpreting something that you said. There is a reason that I wasn't pushing for your lynch, but was instead voicing some thoughts.

Trfel

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February 17 2015 23:21 GMT

#738

On February 18 2015 07:58 rsoultin wrote:
Shining, I have a problem with you, actually ^^

You have this wonderful way of conveniently being absent at key points when you're scum. Telling us you're going to read 10 pages then oops, just gonna sheep instead. Now, I know this can happen, but you really milked these sorts of things your last scum game.

Are Tere and Trfel your scumreads right now?

I actually find this quite interesting. I'll take another look at The Shining's filter. Is it possible to get a response to this from The Shining?

(Note that I have not yet succeeded in actively following a game I have not been playing in and actually alive in. I barely, if ever, checked on Student Mafia V between the time where I died and the end of the game. Soon enough I hope to learn how to follow games without playing in them.)

Trfel

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February 17 2015 23:28 GMT

#740

I still think that The Shining is leaning town. If anything, his last several posts have made me more convinced in this.

Trfel

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February 17 2015 23:33 GMT

#743

On February 18 2015 08:31 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hey guys I just got back and read everything. I'll go back and answer questions before I filterdive. I'll do the one-two bullet thing before EON just in case mafia doesn't like starwars lol

You haven't been very active in the night, have you.

That makes me a little suspicious.

I still don't see much reason to scumread you right now, but tomorrow I am expecting more from you.

Trfel

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February 17 2015 23:42 GMT

#746

On February 18 2015 08:39 jarjarbinks wrote:

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It's OK i'm suspicious of you too lol

Only question I see on second glance is the two bullet thing so i'll chime in in a few minutes let me go read up a little on some filters before I narrow 4 to 2

Who are the four you are looking at? And why?

Trfel

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February 17 2015 23:57 GMT

#748

On February 18 2015 08:50 jarjarbinks wrote:
You Tere Elyas and Silver were my top four based on day 1 votes.

Looking through filters I'm shooting Elyas and Tere. I'll explain those first.

Better work quickly

In case I die:
It's been a fun Day 1/Night 1, albeit somewhat stressful and frustrating. I don't actually feel like we are completely hopeless, we have stuff to work with, we have some critical thinking and town feels to be working much, much better than in Newbie Mafia LX. I'm actually finding myself excited to see what happens next, and how people proceed. Good luck, and happy scumhunting!

Serious post will follow in a few minutes.

Trfel

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February 17 2015 23:59 GMT

#749

Yet Another Post from Long-Winded Trfel

This post serves as a summary of my reads and the direction that I believe that town should go in. Take note that I tend to go lynch by lynch, and try to choose the best lynch given the information at the time. So I will not tell town who to lynch, as the coming 48 hours could likely provide plenty of reasons why a different lynch is preferred. That said, here are my general thoughts and reads, I hope they are somewhat useful.

I didn't get to Silverarte, sorry. This is largely because of her late entrance to the thread, I don't feel that she has left enough to get a solid read at this point. And also because I'm tired and lazy, and the deadline is coming up.

Tere
I have already posted my thoughts on Tere. My main post is here. Later additions to this would be here and here. My biggest problem with Tere's play was how she seemed to be making a lot of posts and trying to seem extremely helpful, while not actually contributing that much scumhunting behind it. Tere's recent list post has been a departure from that trend, and I like it. At the same time, the events of the next 48 or so hours should prove extremely useful in determining Tere's alignment.
zlefin
I have already posted my thoughts on zlefin as well, you can find them here. I am inclined to give zlefin the benefit of the doubt, though I really hope he can show more scumhunting in the future. His recent posts on ElyAs, Silverarte, and The Shining seem to be significantly better, so I currently don't have much desire to lynch him.
rsoultin
I haven't really shared my thoughts on rsoultin very much this game. Ever since she started the early push on Hier for the purposes of getting the game started (thanks a bunch for doing that btw, I'm not sure where we would be without that at this point), I have sort of accepted her as town. In addition, we have been discussing the game a bunch together, and I have not seen any indication that she is mafia. It is probably worth a reread, but for the moment I am comfortable in assuming that rsoultin is town for these things alone.
The Shining
A while back, I posted some suspicions of The Shining here. However, The Shining's response was really good, so I dropped my suspicions. Upon rereading The Shining's filter while more awake, I am fine with it. While I am disappointed by The Shining's lack of posting for most of the night, it is silly to attribute this to anything other than real life business at this time. Recently, The Shining has returned with some questioning of me (Trfel). I find the nature of this push to be more towny, again, because I can understand how The Shining would think this and because mafia wouldn’t push a player with a reasonable thread presence unless there are clear reasons to do so.

Since scumreading The Shining has recently picked up popularity, I will elaborate on a few random points. The push on zlefin makes a lot more sense as a pressure instead of a definite scumread. While the reasons for the push were still weak, as a pressure push, I am willing to accept it. This also explains why he stops with the pressure on zlefin and votes for Hier instead.
ElyAs
First, I will note that ElyAs has only played one game on TL Mafia before, and it was in 2010. Thus, I would be a little more hesitant to lynch him.

I agree with the suspicions voiced of ElyAs. Earlier in the game, his play was acceptable, but by this point I expect more from him. Instead, his play seems to have died off. That said, his early posting showed some good things, and I can see hints of scumhunting. Given his relative inexperience, I am suspicious of him, and could see myself lynching him on Day 2, but I still think he deserves leeway.
jarjarbinks
Just a brief note. For now, I am fine with accepting him as town, since his response to Hier's Bridges method seemed to fit his character. In addition, rsoultin hasn't voiced any suspicions of jarjarbinks. That said, I do expect to see more scumhunting from jarjarbinks tomorrow.

In summary, at the moment I feel that the best Day 2 lynch is probably one of Tere, ElyAs, or Silverarte (maybe jarjarbinks). However, please take this very loosely, since a lot will happen between now and then. My hope is that people find my thoughts useful, not necessarily my specific reads.

Good luck, all. It's been a fun game.

Trfel

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February 18 2015 00:01 GMT

#753

My goodbye post is superior to yours, rsoultin. 1-0 me.

Trfel

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February 18 2015 00:02 GMT

#755

Well, I'm still alive. That's interesting. I wonder if that means I'm completely off track. Or if it means that someone on the mafia team is cruel and wants to torture me.

Rsoultin, I'll take a look at your filter and your reads. I still think that we are mostly in the same place, though.

Trfel

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February 18 2015 00:07 GMT

#757

On February 18 2015 09:05 rsoultin wrote:
>< sorry guys for that terrible goodbye post

glhf <3

Thanks, we'll need it. To be fair, you played an absolutely killer D1/N1.

I'm going to be lonely without you here

Who else would stay up until 4 AM dealing with my crazy thoughts?