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On February 20 2015 09:00 Tere wrote:
If I'm obvscum, and the last one, why would you have an issue with Gladiating me?
Why would I even offer it as an option.
Gladiating makes no sense for scum.
Because of WIFOM. It makes no sense so why would you offer it? But you're scum and offering it under the defense of thinking scum wouldn't offer it?
This is N2 now. No time for WIFOM. We have vote analysis and another NK coming. And I've went from suspicious to getting some townreads today. I don't expect to live through tonight. Scum can't kill Tere, as it helps confirm Trfel. Can't kill Trfel either, as it confirms Tere. Sure, that's also WIFOM but still worth mentioning. The only other viable kill is Ely to get rid of confirmed town, but they could leave him to make us doubt his claim. Risky play though IMO.
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On February 20 2015 09:15 jarjarbinks wrote:
Was that really a Trf bus? He seemed oddly desperate to kill his own teammate. Granted she was being scumread by a lot of people lol
Tere on the other hand went after Trf randomly after people started noticing Silver was in the game.
+1. I just really like this post, planned on posting one similar.
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On February 20 2015 09:15 ElyAs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote:On February 20 2015 09:05 Tere wrote:
Set up is: Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Doctor, 6 Vanilla Townie (from first post) Scum slip? Only scum knows set up. Yes, you could argue the RB flip confirms it but Ely is still not confirmed Doc. He might as well be but he isn't. I'm not really sure why you posted this, since its a point we could have all made on our own. Only 2 total setups with both a role blocker and Doctor. No Vigi claim and no N1 shot. Nope, sorry but you're wrong. It is the only possible setup from my PoV.
You're the only one who can know if you're confirmed Doctor, friend.
I have no reason to doubt your claim. However, I just find it funny that she was the one who pointed out setup to us.
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On February 20 2015 09:18 Tere wrote:You can fisticuff me tomorrow if you want, the Shining, that was invigorating 
It was hehehehe you singlehandedly brought me back into this game. Which I thank you for.
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As much as I don't feel this is necessary, I did this N2 in the last Newbie Mini and I'm doing it here.
Vote Analysis:
On February 19 2015 21:57 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 2: Counting Down
ElyAs (1): zlefin
Silverarte (1): Trfel
Tere (1): Trfel, The Shining
Trfel (1): Tere
Not Voting (3): Silverarte, ElyAs, jarjarbinks
Currently, ElyAs is set to be expelled from South Park Elementary. Day 2 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Preliminary votes of the day. Scum Silver only has 1 vote on her. Its Trfel. That's a really bad bus. But it gets better.
On February 20 2015 06:03 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 2: Counting Down
Trfel (2): Tere, ElyAs
Silverarte (2): Trfel, zlefin
Tere (1): Trfel, The Shining
ElyAs (0): zlefin
Not Voting (3): Silverarte, jarjarbinks
Currently, Trfel is set to be expelled from South Park Elementary. Day 2 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
So Tere was on Trfel. Stays on Trfel. Keeps pushing him. Continuously leaves herself an open leeway stating Silver is also scum. But really seems dead set and intent on pushing Trfel first. Now at this point, I could maybe still believe Trfel bussing Silver. Until he actively pushes Silver as an alternate lynch to himself instead of Tere. I'm sorry, I don't see scum Trfel bussing his partner AS ROLEBLOCKER WITH A CLAIMED DOC. I would expect scum Trfel to push Tere. Hard. Especially with the early case and suspicions on her.
On February 20 2015 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 2: This Final Hour
Trfel (4): Tere, ElyAs, Silverarte, jarjarbinks
Silverarte (3): Trfel, zlefin, The Shining
Tere (0): Trfel, The Shining
ElyAs (0): zlefin
Currently, Trfel is set to be expelled from South Park Elementary. Day 2 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
At this point, scum Trfel IMO would've conceded. Tere got cocky and started throwing gladiating out there once more. Was probably 100% confident in the mislynch going through. What happens? 10 mins before EoD, ElyAs shows up and screws everything up for her. Switches to Silver. JJB goes through Trfels filter, compares it to Silver, she is objectively a much better lynch. Now she's the only one besides Silver on Trfel. If she stays there, the scum team looks so damn obvious they should just concede right then.
So she busses Silver. But its too late. Damage is done. IMO, one of the last 2 votes on a scum flip is usually scum bussing to screw vote analysis. Unfortunately for scum Tere, the other of the last 2 votes is claimed Doc.
I'm sorry this looks so bad but I'm on a tablet, getting posts out is difficult. Getting them to look pretty is hard. But this needed to be posted before the NK.
If town really feels like obliging the Gladiating between Tere and Trfel, I say Tere goes first.
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Wow. Town. Please don't be stupid and start running off with tin foil theories when OBVIOUS SCUM IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
Meh, JJB, I could've easily voted Trfel instead of Silver. I never changed my vote, either. I was more concerned with EoD and last minute shenanies then filter diving yet again my strongest townread.
And I'm very well aware of that, Zlefin. If you look, at one point in my filter, I mention that if someone is reading the post and is anything other than Vigi, CLAIM IT. THIS IS BASICALLY MY WAY OF REITERATING THAT. Call it town paranoia but the only things confirmed to me are NK and lynch flips. I've seen bad plays in which a CC that could win town the game never happens and we lose because of it.
Now if you look at my vote analysis and reaction to Ely's claim in general, I'm acting and pushing on the belief he is in fact the Doctor. For exactly the reasons you just posted.
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Also wanted to point this out.
I made a play in agreeing to kill Trfel tomorrow after Silver today. I wanted to see if that would be enough for Tere to back off of her Trfel push. And it was. Which is odd because she seemed very damn adamant about pushing him first. Once she rrealized there was no way out of Silver being caught, she finally bussed on the agreement that I'd mislynch Trfel tomorrow.
Bad bad bad.
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Gg Silver, sorry you rolled scum. =P
And Trfel. Lol. At this point, I wouldn't. I'm pretty sure I hammered it in with the vote analysis, willing to go more in depth if necessary. I want to see reactions to it, because AFAIC, Tere is tomorrow's lynch.
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But yeah, get that case out before EoN, if you can. JJB and Zlef both pinging on me for saying Ely isn't confirmed Doctor shows me Tere isn't as clear to them as she is to us.
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I've been scumming Tere almost non-stop and cased her based on vote analysis.
Honestly, with the way its looking, I won't case her unless I'm asked to. I just feel my stance on her has always been pretty clear.
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Honestly, the Silver flip gave me a straight up chub. XD hahahaha jk jk but yeah, I had a good feeling on it once I realized my strongest scumread and my strongest townread were scumming the same person.
Bus too stronk.
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I was set on Trfel and I did want to help defend him, hence why I moved to Silver and pushed for Tere of all people to move to Silver. Did what I could to save my town read. Let me clarify.
Objectively, my vote has just as much likelihood of ending up on Trfel as it did on Silver. However, Trfel was my townread. I couldn't cite a particular post at that moment for why he's giving me warm town fuzzies and it still is somewhat difficult but I'm stuck in the same boat RSo was D1. When he echoes a bunch of thoughts that I have had this game(like the case on Tere) while expanding on them with original points that I didn't make, it shows me its coming from a genuine place. And his best defense, imo, was bringing up the fact that a good majority, if not all, of the parts of Tere's case on him could be equally applied to her. Solid reasonable doubt.
But with an hour or less left at EoD, I thought it was better to be around and watching votes, shenanies, and reactions instead of wasting time being distracted diving Trfel for a "townie" post and coming back to a mislynch or a horrible wagon I couldn't fix.
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EBWOP: Last post is to JJB
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On February 20 2015 12:04 jarjarbinks wrote:
Shining, makes sense.
Reading through Tere's filter, it seems like she brings up silverarte regularly in the early game. Her reads went from slight townread to slight scum to thinking silver was in the mafia team. I could see a scum partner doing this, given the lack of posts from silver in the game.
Question in her defense: Do you think silver in her mainish and really only scumread of the game, would go after her mafia partner? If she was struggling to make reads because she mafia, I could see it. But I wouldn't think that would be the smartest strategy for the mafia team there, when I believe the votes were still relatively split.
It was a progressive read that tanked as time went on and she noticed her activity had waned, not improved. And I fully believe that scum!Tere would tell Silver to have her one made case be on her for this exact reason. Its WIFOM. In the game I scummed with Trfel, he scummed me in his last dying post. We were both scum.
Meh, like I said. Wifom. I don't wanna run myself in circles too much over it. But I do note that Tere's tone is one of confidence and aggression. I believe 100% she is proud enough to think she could win without Silver.
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Also, note Tere's night phase silence post-flip.
And Trfel makes a good point about Silver going back to lurking and not pushing once she realized she was actually more at risk than Trfel was. She could quite possibly have been told to stop bussing her partner for fear of giving away too much.
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Regardless, JJB. Fact of the matter is, SOMEONE here bussed Silver, as she was the only vote on Trfel. This is basically my vote analysis dumbed down but Trfel started the push. Zlefin jumped onto it way too quickly and kept saying he preferred Silver over Trfel and Tere. These two, purely off of vote timing, are the least likely to bus.
Next vote? Me. Votes were tied 2-2. Trfel/Zlef on Silver. Tere/Silver on Trfel. If I'm scum, which I'm not, I just pushed my partner into the lynch lead with that vote. Horribad. I am not scum.
Next vote: You! You were the deciding vote and voted Trfel! Immediately, Tere becomes aggressive. Wants to gladiate Trfel. Super cocky. You come back with saying Trfel reads town to you and the filter is too big. Her tone changes. Immediately wants you to believe big filter isn't alignment indicative. It isn't the size of the filter for Trfel, it is the content. You could have saved your scum partner here if you are scum. But you saved Trfel and lynched Silver. Town move.
Last vote? I ask Tere to lynch Silver and we'll lynch Trfel tomorrow. She obliges. Her scum partner is already dead. Why be the only one voting with her when she flips?
Tere is literally the most and only logical explanation for a bus here.
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On February 20 2015 12:20 Trfel wrote:
I don't mind Tere's silence. Pretty sure she would go to sleep, it's late in Europe.
Maybe an argument could be made for it, but there are so many other strong arguments, why use a question mark?
Fair point. I should be scumread for all my time zone and timing issues this game ROFL.
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XD. Just left work, mobile time. Yeah, I can do that when I get home, Trfel. I'll answer you when I get home because honestly, I don't see a place where Tere isn't scum. You're hypothetically asking me to consider a diff game altogether, in which I'm wrong about everything if I'm wrong on her.
Logic dictates if I'm wrong on her, I'd be wrong on you, as well. It could very well be you, and I'm not intentionally trying to put you two in a Gladiator scenario.
But she is scum so point is moot.
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Wasn't really towning you until N1/D2. Between you and JJB, I see I'll have to explain exactly why when I get home.
Your Hier vote seemed a bit scummy. You seemed to try to distance yourself from it while trying to give Hier some town cred but not really pushing anyone else.
Then again, I was busy and sheeped a vote from RSo on him so I have no right to judge anyone's Hier vote. You did try to engage him and feel his thought process out, it really felt like you wanted him to help us decide if he was scum or town, instead of just reading him as scum, which is easiest for a scum agenda.
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Well played, Ely. I actually really enjoyed rereading your filter from a Blue Medic perspective.
And welcome, Palmar. I'm totally sorry about the hand you just got dealt. I'll parrot Trfel, though. I will wait for your entry post before putting my vote down. Unless you'd like to concede?
Trfel, stellar case. Granted, it felt pretty much open and shut here but your willingness to go in depth in that case and make such cohesive points and examples anyway, and during Night, pretty much erased what little anxiety I had over you. And you successfully pocketed the hell out of me if by some disastrous act of God you flip scum because I literally see no way that happens anymore.
Sorry for my absence last night. I'm going to be completely honest in that I invested a lot, emotionally, into D2, especially in my interaction with Tere. Revisiting it after such a clear cut case from Trfel just feels like overkill for me, even more so now that Tere has been replaced. If you really, REALLY want me to do so, I can but I'm not sure what we can get from it, since the player is no longer a part of the game.
Tere, regardless of alignment, well played. If it was something I did or that deception I pulled concerning Silver's lynch(promising to lynch Trfel next to guarantee scumSilver being lynched), I apologize but I was just playing to my wincon. You obviously have a lot of mafia experience and I'd love to see you in another game here. Preferably one where you can start from the beginning. Replacing is never easy, from keeping up with the thread to dedicating time to playing. Thank you for the obvious effort you put in while you were here.
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