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On January 28 2015 13:10 Eden1892 wrote:
ugh please make it stop
this is like watching sandpaper scratch a chalkboard drying
why are you so butt hurt? Did my ignoring you hurt your feelings so bad that you're acting childish like this? I'd like to play a game where we don't post petty insults at each other as much as the next man. I can play like a dick as I've previously shown in titanic d1 and last days of carol and nye. I've reverted to playing my original meta that I used in FFL, FFL2, and hearthstone because I actually enjoyed those games. I'm not being a dick here on purpose like i played in my latest 3 games, but why are you being a dick here? If you keep behaving like this I'll just vote myself or get replaced out. I'd actually like to play a game of wits instead a battle of dick smashing insults. Sure you can go aggressive but insulting and being bm is uncalled for. If you believe my ignoring you was bad mannered and it pissed you off I apologize, if you want to report me for ignoring you and you want to warrant a ban for it I'll take the ban. But if you want to play the game you need to get that prejudice lifted because it is doing you no good.
This is my playstyle. I reread like this and comment on a post i agree on. You can scrutinize criticize saying it's a bad way to play and what not but down right insulting it like this is shallow and childish. I would prefer you refrain from doing these kind of actions in the future.
Good day. I will come back tomorrow before deadline if i can wake up early enough.
3 people I'm willing to lynch today is
onegu > gb > toad
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On January 28 2015 13:41 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 13:10 Eden1892 wrote:
ugh please make it stop
this is like watching sandpaper scratch a chalkboard drying why are you so butt hurt? Did my ignoring you hurt your feelings so bad that you're acting childish like this? I'd like to play a game where we don't post petty insults at each other as much as the next man. I can play like a dick as I've previously shown in titanic d1 and last days of carol and nye. I've reverted to playing my original meta that I used in FFL, FFL2, and hearthstone because I actually enjoyed those games. I'm not being a dick here on purpose like i played in my latest 3 games, but why are you being a dick here? If you keep behaving like this I'll just vote myself or get replaced out. I'd actually like to play a game of wits instead a battle of dick smashing insults. Sure you can go aggressive but insulting and being bm is uncalled for. If you believe my ignoring you was bad mannered and it pissed you off I apologize, if you want to report me for ignoring you and you want to warrant a ban for it I'll take the ban. But if you want to play the game you need to get that prejudice lifted because it is doing you no good. This is my playstyle. I reread like this and comment on a post i agree on. You can scrutinize criticize saying it's a bad way to play and what not but down right insulting it like this is shallow and childish. I would prefer you refrain from doing these kind of actions in the future. Good day. I will come back tomorrow before deadline if i can wake up early enough. 3 people I'm willing to lynch today is onegu > gb > toad
I don't mind you making posts one after another, but
A) you aren't pushing your reads.
B) your catch up posts have little to no substance
C) then you just peace out
This isn't town behavior, you are not trying to solve the game you are just trying to look busy.
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On January 28 2015 13:45 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 13:41 liancourt wrote:On January 28 2015 13:10 Eden1892 wrote:
ugh please make it stop
this is like watching sandpaper scratch a chalkboard drying why are you so butt hurt? Did my ignoring you hurt your feelings so bad that you're acting childish like this? I'd like to play a game where we don't post petty insults at each other as much as the next man. I can play like a dick as I've previously shown in titanic d1 and last days of carol and nye. I've reverted to playing my original meta that I used in FFL, FFL2, and hearthstone because I actually enjoyed those games. I'm not being a dick here on purpose like i played in my latest 3 games, but why are you being a dick here? If you keep behaving like this I'll just vote myself or get replaced out. I'd actually like to play a game of wits instead a battle of dick smashing insults. Sure you can go aggressive but insulting and being bm is uncalled for. If you believe my ignoring you was bad mannered and it pissed you off I apologize, if you want to report me for ignoring you and you want to warrant a ban for it I'll take the ban. But if you want to play the game you need to get that prejudice lifted because it is doing you no good. This is my playstyle. I reread like this and comment on a post i agree on. You can scrutinize criticize saying it's a bad way to play and what not but down right insulting it like this is shallow and childish. I would prefer you refrain from doing these kind of actions in the future. Good day. I will come back tomorrow before deadline if i can wake up early enough. 3 people I'm willing to lynch today is onegu > gb > toad I don't mind you making posts one after another, but A) you aren't pushing your reads. B) your catch up posts have little to no substance C) then you just peace out This isn't town behavior, you are not trying to solve the game you are just trying to look busy.
^^This. I'm not mad like last night, I'm just annoyed because you're in the thread posting a bunch of stuff but it makes no sense to me and I can't seem to get through to you with the questions I ask to try to get it clarified. I'm not trying to get you to replace out or banned or anything like that. I'm just frustrated with what you're choosing to reply to.
Like this for example. You reply to one of my annoyed one-liners but not the question I just posed afterward, and you reply assuming I'm just trying to insult you without even acknowledging my repeated efforts to understand your POV so I'm not left going "wtf is this guy doing?"
What am I left to do here? You're posting what looks to me like idle babble, I've repeatedly asked you questions to try to understand how it isn't idle babble because I respect your ability enough to give it a fair hearing, and then you don't answer them and don't do anything. Then you come back several hours later, post more stuff that looks to me like idle babble, and the cycle repeats. I don't want to lynch you because I don't know that you're mafia, but you're making yourself incomprehensible to me. And if it's a deliberate choice to be incomprehensible -- and it's hard to believe that it's anything else, because you keep ducking my questions -- then what am I left with but lynching you?
A vital part of this game for town is being able to understand other players' perspectives, to get in their heads a bit and see why they would think what they think when they thought it. You are denying me the tools to do this. What am I supposed to do?
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Good morning. Up early for a workout and then headed to work.
Why does all the interesting events have to happen whilst I'm sleeping...ugh.
I skimmed through the last 5 pages, but will review more in detail midday/lunch.
Palmar, noted on the meta reads...fine. I understand what you are saying now on my use of them.
I used them to get a better understanding of you, but generally with the way things work I don't use meta in hardly any of my cases.
More to come...
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First impression of the GB/Palmar exchange...
I still find the Palmar voting sequence weird. Those two quoted posts I made, I could have sworn was based on an initial scumread on him (in addition to the one on Toad), so why did he say policy later? Am I missing something?
I'll re-read when I have more time today.
GlowingBear's exchange with Palmar, he is sounding a LOT more credible. I'd have to agree with Eden on that one.
Still I'll look harder into things there.
I don't understand Palmar punishing people because he wants to be a dick or however he phrased it but, if he's done that as both alignments, then it is probably NAI. But something doesn't feel right to me about the policy vote part when I could have sworn he was trying to find a reason to scumread GB. I don't know if what he posted on page 52 is a cover for a potential mafia action. Maybe it's just me being paranoid.
On the flip side, he's pushing Toad. Still. Which is what a townie should be doing. And the argument against Toad does get more substantial when you consider the vote.
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And finally, liancourt.
Onegu and Eden are spot on.
I think you've had ONE good read all game, but I don't know why you're posting the way you are.
You had better structured arguments in the NYE party mafia game, (using as a basis for comparison) so I know you're capable of town-driven posts, and these types of posts are clearly not it.
You're also ignoring the people who are scumreading you (or have reason to). And that's a very bad sign.
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One thing I want to draw attention to before I go - some people here suspect Toad (someone voted him too I think???) and some suspect liancourt. Possibility of that scum team - does it make sense?
I don't like associative reads again, but since night is silent I think we need to keep on the backs of our minds...
Take a note on the interactions between those two. Lian has drawn attention to Toad's way of posting like he can't get a read on him. Is that a weak enough case where if he flips we might just leave Toad alone because he scumread him?
It's WIFOM and such but it's something to consider.
Toad has leaned towards Lian being scum but prioritised Onegu over him in each of his scum lists. Though I'm not seeing hard pushes on any of them.
Maybe it sounds crazy but I thought I'd bring the idea up since some are scumreading (or at least null leaning scum) on at least one of these.
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Off I go. I'll focus more on this when I get a chance later today.
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Ah, last question to all of you, being a bit newish here...
What does L-1, L-2 or whatever mean?
Cheers.
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On January 28 2015 14:40 Half the Sky wrote:
Ah, last question to all of you, being a bit newish here...
What does L-1, L-2 or whatever mean?
Cheers.
How many votes he was away from being hammered.
Lynch -1 or lynch -2
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On January 28 2015 14:39 Half the Sky wrote:
One thing I want to draw attention to before I go - some people here suspect Toad (someone voted him too I think???) and some suspect liancourt. Possibility of that scum team - does it make sense?
I don't like associative reads again, but since night is silent I think we need to keep on the backs of our minds...
Take a note on the interactions between those two. Lian has drawn attention to Toad's way of posting like he can't get a read on him. Is that a weak enough case where if he flips we might just leave Toad alone because he scumread him?
It's WIFOM and such but it's something to consider.
Toad has leaned towards Lian being scum but prioritised Onegu over him in each of his scum lists. Though I'm not seeing hard pushes on any of them.
Maybe it sounds crazy but I thought I'd bring the idea up since some are scumreading (or at least null leaning scum) on at least one of these.
It's not crazy, it's been bouncing around in my head for a while that they could be a viable team. I just haven't bothered with it because I'm trying to find the best lynch today and worry about it later - but since we're talking about it, no, you're more on-point than you think, iyam.
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Ugh, fuck it. This thing with liancourt is driving me up a wall. If you're town I am really sorry, I mean it. I've tilted inappropriately hard at you and it really feels bad. I feel like I've failed as a player if this is what I have to resort to doing, but I don't get your play this game so I'm lynching you. Sorry.
##VOTE: liancourt
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[g] Can we get a updated vote count with people not voting listed also [/g]
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On January 28 2015 15:00 Onegu wrote:
Can we get a updated vote count with people not voting listed also
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On January 28 2015 01:41 IAmRobik wrote:
Were you making them big plays GB with that self-vote? Was that your grandiose plan this whole time? You're a fucking genius!!!!
Oh wait, nope, you're just mafia who got scared about getting banned for playing against win-con.
robik I still need this explained. How was GB self-voting against mafia win con?
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That question isn't actually helpful, I just don't know what to do right now.
Oh wait yes I do. One sec.
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On January 28 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ehhhhh...I think I like this the most.
##Unvote
##Vote: liancourt
Palmar feel free to elaborate on your Toad read whenever you get the chance. If I agree with it I might reconsider - I'm historically bad at reading Toad, so meh. Lian is probably town, why are you voting him again?
Why do you think liancourt is probably town?
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On January 28 2015 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Eden and HTS are both super town. I'm LEANING town on liancourt because of how he "responded" to Eden freaking out. I still suspect Palmar of being mafia and I'm still suspecting GB.
Palmar coming in and actually trying to lynch someone moves him out of my lynch preferences for today, so GB is my default as of right now. Unless someone can convince me that Toad is the best lynch, I'm going to look for a better lynch than GB, in case there is one.
On January 28 2015 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ehhhhh...I think I like this the most.
##Unvote
##Vote: liancourt
Palmar feel free to elaborate on your Toad read whenever you get the chance. If I agree with it I might reconsider - I'm historically bad at reading Toad, so meh.
What changed?
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On January 28 2015 18:03 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Eden and HTS are both super town. I'm LEANING town on liancourt because of how he "responded" to Eden freaking out. I still suspect Palmar of being mafia and I'm still suspecting GB.
Palmar coming in and actually trying to lynch someone moves him out of my lynch preferences for today, so GB is my default as of right now. Unless someone can convince me that Toad is the best lynch, I'm going to look for a better lynch than GB, in case there is one. Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ehhhhh...I think I like this the most.
##Unvote
##Vote: liancourt
Palmar feel free to elaborate on your Toad read whenever you get the chance. If I agree with it I might reconsider - I'm historically bad at reading Toad, so meh. What changed?
Palmar and GB both swinging back toward townie to me. Though I WOULD like Palmar to explain his push on Toad in greater detail. I asked him once and he explained nothing. He sounded townie when he came back though. Lian is just doing the least to figure out the game to me.
Like there are things in most peoples' filters that makes me think they're town and lian just has a lack of that.
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Oh yeah I forgot, neither of these posts make sense to me.
On January 27 2015 01:27 Toadesstern wrote:I'd be happy if some of you guys unvoted GB for now. It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people. In particularly I'd like to hear some thoughts, particularly from VE and Palmar on Eden and his behavior yesterday + Show Spoiler [my thoughts, spoiler for readability] +so like I said, his innitial read on GB was bullshit but I didn't mind it that much. It boiled down to him not checking timestamps and if he's really on a party phoneposting no way in hell is he reading carefully enough for that. He then continued to get more pressure and started to post garbage like crazy. A lot more drunk, a lot more unreadable than before.
And I'm just sitting here thinking about how likely it is that actually happened... For me it's something like this:
party - phoneposting - drunk
Out of those 3 only 2 work together. If I'm on a party phoneposting I don't get that drunk because I'm reading a mafiagame and posting on my phone. Apparently not that good of a party.
If I'm drunk on a party I'm having fun, maybe I'd phonepost something early but if I'm really that drunk because the party's amazing I don't touch my phone anymore and have fun on the party
About VE:
I know I said I don't like talking about it... but it just sounds really fake to me. On the other hand, if he actually was drunk he's more likely to overreact like that ... It's just that last game as town I wanted to lynch BH, BH posted pics of his appartment and said he's moving so I didn't lynch him and it was really stupid of me (why would he sign up for a game if he knows he's going to move 2 days after the game starts...) and I don't want that to happen again I liked this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=16#310 from VE he did recently. Liked as in, I think that's something he'd post. I don't really agree with the first part and I am particularly worried that he picked that read as his vote so early when it's quite obvious that GB is perhaps one of the weak points of the playerfield (sry). GB, to me seems like the easy mislynch right now. Could be VE feels a lot stronger about that read the way he phrased it but I don't hold GB to the same standards as I hold most other people in here, so he's getting a pass based from me right now. All in all I'm leaning towards Eden, liancourt and Palmar right now. Lian because like I already mentioned I didn't like the fact that I had to be the one to point at the timestamps of HIS target + somethings bothering me about how he's appearing in here. Can't put my finger on it yet. Palmar mostly by process of elimination because Eden + lian doesn't make sense together. So it all goes back to Show nested quote +It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people.
So first thing is why did you ever scumread me for phoneposting while drinking at birthday dinner? This is a really dumb reason to suspect someone. Basically why so serious? Why not either try to interpret what I was saying (which wasn't THAT jumbled, I was clear on one point at least because I've kept raising it throughout the day), or say "Meh, I can't read his posts, he's null until he does something coherent." Makes no sense. And even if it were true that I were at a party, the idea that I'm mafia for taking time out of the party makes me more suspicious, when as mafia I could afk for 100% legit reasons, is silly. You would basically have to believe I made that whole thing up and spent like 1.5 hrs pretending to drunkpost for this to make sense, and that's ridiculous.
Why did you POE Palmar as mafia here when you would later go on to declare him null slightly town (without any kind of signposting in-between to indicate a shift in opinion) and also declare several other nulls?
Why did your townread of liancourt evaporate because he didn't notice any timestamps in posts?
On January 27 2015 15:54 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 14:57 Half the Sky wrote:Sanity please. Good morning. Took about 10m to skim through. Will post my initial impressions before I jet for work. I'll look a little harder into Liancourt's posting, but I have some thoughts and some criticisms. This post from Lian is making me reconsider a scum read on him. Here's why: On January 27 2015 13:51 liancourt wrote:
@toad
I know you're trying to be the thread mayor and all, but I really expected HF/marv/koshi level play from you, but I'm somewhat disappointed...maybe I had high expectations of you or maybe you're holding back for some reason. It's like you're playing politics and moderating everything instead of pointing fingers and pushing things hard.
How many scumreads does Toad have right now? From what I can tell, zero. This part of Lian's post is making me think that what if a (potential) mafia Toad could cruise on being so widely townread? It doesn't look likely at this point, but the fact that it made me think, and it shows that Lian has made some broad observation of a player relative to the entire game, despite Toad himself only having a three page filter. I took a look at Toad's filter, and he seems to be in that information gathering/analysing phase of scumhunting, but if I don't see him pushing something/someone soon, I might just start to wonder. His first vote was on Liancourt on what I believed to be a pressure vote and then he unvoted. Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading Toad as town, but this was a very provocative post by Lian and makes me think he's town for this observation. At the very least, I might actually move him upwards from my scumpile. I'm one of the guys that figures out who's town and lynches into whoever is left, starting with the guy my stomach likes the least as I'm usually incredibly confident in my townreads. You're probably not going to see me make long cases about people being mafia. That mostly goes out to you and lian who said he expected me to be someone like Marv/HF... I even told you that I'm the kind of guy that just looks cute and everyone wants to cuddle :3 That being said, a walkthrough of my thoughts lately would be: We lynch into Eden / Lian / Onegu, preferably Lian or Onegu at the point of when I made my general list. Robik if we havn't won by then. Right now I'm fairly confident that I don't want to touch Eden at all, he has been quite impressive the last 24~30 hours or so and like I already said I agree with that one point on GB you did, so he dropped in my list. So for right now it's between Onegu and Lian, leaning towards Onegu. GB for me is an option I'd be willing to discuss but that to me has the same value as a policy lynch because a potential mislynch on GB would be a disaster. Meaning if that guy ends up town we had the easiest votedump for mafia ever for d1. Onegu has that under-the-radar but not just completly afk feel to him I don't like. Lian I have to reread some because people apparently think he got super towny in the last couple hours? I'd also like to add Palmar to the list because he still hasn't done shit at all but let's be honest here, he knows me good enough to know that I'd only be pressuring and asking people to give him one more day if push comes to shove. I've seen him behave exactly like this as town multiple times (I think? at least once), which doesn't make him town but I'd try to avoid that lynch d1.
If the first sentence about finding townreads is true then why did you spend the whole first half of the phase naming your scumreads instead of your townreads?
How can you say "preferably Onegu" when he was ahead of me and liancourt?
If you're paying so much attention to timestamps that you scumread liancourt for not doing so, how do you manage to call me "impressive" for the entire length of the game to that point while also wanting to kill me for the entire length of the game to that point?
Why did you have Palmar as a POE mafia read if your policy is to give him a day to prove himself town?
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