[M][N]Hammertime Mafia - Page 2

On January 26 2015 10:36 Eden1892 wrote:

Mafia don't go against the grain early unless their team is under the crosshairs early. No one is under crosshairs so mafia GB doesn't go against grain. Ez

On January 26 2015 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Lian, if the thread sentiment is going directly to a mislynch, mafia has no motivation to push different reads. That's where Eden is coming from.
By the way, I don't remember playing with toad.

Robik, what have you got so far?

On January 26 2015 08:27 Half the Sky wrote:
Toad, I've not played with you before, but if I had to read you off that post, I'd say a townread, albeit a weak one. You seem to be having fun with this so far, even if there is no mayor in this game.

Generally scum don't, or rather they are more apprehensive.

On January 26 2015 11:17 Eden1892 wrote:
I thought he:
Scum read toad town's opening when people seemed to like it
Scum read HTS when people townread her
Scum read me when other people were unsure (he said I was tops mafia lol)

That's rather a lot for the opening

On January 26 2015 11:46 GlowingBear wrote:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I ROFL'D WITH THIS

No because you've played imperial mafia very well and you were town.
I actually disagree that you looked that townie in that game but you got shot night1 meh.

On January 26 2015 13:04 Eden1892 wrote:
Coming-down-Magic was fun but not for why you'd think it would be.

Anyway I am back and I ?hope? of sound mind and judgment.

I feel like my liancourt read was still pretty coherent. Maybe not in execu-- no, definitely not in execution, but at least in the logic. Let me try to explain it with a little more clarity of mind.

My play style was different from both games he's seen from me, and I was mafia in one and town in the other. At the very least he's obscuring the truth by citing Imperial as the inspiration for his read without making any mention of the fact that my play is different from the time he saw me play mafiasided. I feel like a townie would make mention of this and try to give the other player a fair shake instead of simply going "different from this town game therefore mafia!" while ignoring the equally-important "different from this mafia game therefore ???"

I also kinda felt like it was a cheap shot trying this kind of obscurantist read while I wasn't quite at full mental capacity, but to be fair it's not his fault that I decided to try new alcohol right before he gave his reads. Idk maybe it's unfair to hold that to him, but I felt like it was more sinister than a misunderstanding or error.

I'm gonna go reread but off the top of my head, I have the impression that Toad was town for a particular sequence of decisions: (1) intro post kickstarting discussion into (2) repeated attempts to question/probe other players for their positions while (3) demanding more scrutiny onto himself from other players. Mafia can emulate (1) just fine and regularly do (which is why I just called him a chill dude instead of something alignment-indicative), mafia have a harder time with (2) and especially with (3) - (2) because they struggle to get into a townie mindset and ask questions that make sense / are going somewhere (although it's not a huge struggle, it still requires effort, which is a harder threshold to achieve than you'd think), and (3) because they don't know whether or not they're actually being suspicious/not doing enough to be townread, and so daring people not to townread them so hard/so quickly can come off as tone-deaf with regard to how much a townie should suspect someone and backfire badly. (Imagine the sequence: "Why don't you suspect me?" "Why should I?" "...shouldn't you?" It would clearly indicate a guilty conscience on the part of the first speaker, which wouldn't automatically exist with a townie. Naturally it would never be that obvious, but you get the idea behind it.)

None of this is to say that he strictly speaking couldn't do any of what he's done as mafia, but that I think it would be far more likely for him to do it as town. So he's town.

I also feel like GlowingBear was townie but I don't remember why. Maybe I'll know when I reread.

Robik is suspicious to me because I feel like he's not really been very genuine with his posts. I'll reread to see if I'm right about this, but I remember his post about why he voted for HTS, and his post against GB, and both of them seemed illegit. The HTS thing was probably a joke so eh, but he says "get rekt mafia scum" or whatever when arguing for a kill on GB and it's just like... no one says this. Not even Robik says this. C'mon man.

I forgot Onegu even posted so we could kill him too. Palmar as well until he posts

On January 14 2015 07:51 Eden1892 wrote:

I'll do it instead since SL apparently isn't in an explaining mood.

If lalalipop is mafia then the d2 wagons were mafia/mafia. Oatsmaster only went on a late tiebreaker -- Breshke switching off of lalalipop onto a 3rd party. If Breshke and lalalipop are partners, Breshke probably isn't on lalalipop in the first place and he's definitely not switching to a 3rd party and hoping for no vote switches; he's moving onto Oatsmaster to ensure his teammate gets saved or, alternatively, he's not moving to get that bus cred.

So Breshke's vote move makes no sense if lalalipop is mafia, ergo lalalipop is town

On January 27 2015 01:32 Palmar wrote:

Correct.

Now look within yourself, is there a correlation between what you have just discovered and the alignment you imply I have received?

On January 27 2015 01:55 IAmRobik wrote:

If you're town this game, kindly see that you don't fucking /in any game that i ever play in moving forward. I'm tired of your bullshit. you think I'm mafia every fucking game. You're wrong and annoying and you don't deserve to ever be in a fucking game with me.

From this point on, I will not be reading or responding to any fucking post you make [redacted what i wrote because i don't want to be banned]

On October 26 2014 15:28 IAmRobik wrote:
There's my flip. Good luck town. These mods are literally the worst things in any game ever. Gb has been shit talking me all game and that fucking piece of shit didn't even get warned most likely. Like fuck that. I literally don't give a fuck. I'm not getting mod killed this game for playing the game.

On January 27 2015 02:37 IAmRobik wrote:

WTF are you doing? You literally just said you think Palmar is town and now you're grilling him. Palmar will play the game when he wants to play the game and if he doesn't want to play the game then he'll sub or we'll lynch him

On January 22 2015 05:52 Koshi wrote:

I now lynch people I know will be though to read later over people that will be readable. Because I don't lynch enough scum D1.

On January 27 2015 04:01 Half the Sky wrote:


Lian is in Korea AFAIK. I'd say give another 4h. If he doesn't do jack all, then I think a pressure vote is appropriate then.

On January 27 2015 04:10 Palmar wrote:
Announcement: I am considering releasing the first read I have this game tonight. Stay tuned!

On January 27 2015 04:13 Half the Sky wrote:


Yes.

Liancourt's town play in Carol (he was the veteran in that game) was a PERFECT example of this. He was criticised for not being convincing, he pissed away 4 cycles yelling at people his reads, particularly to lynch Holyflare but people ignored him. He was right but failed to be convincing.

On January 27 2015 04:21 Half the Sky wrote:
In the Void game which we both recently played (disclaimer: that game is still in progress, but both of us have been eliminated from it...so my discussion on that is somewhat limited intentionally) Lian said the same thing about playing a certain meta and was lynched D1 for doing jack all, effectively policy lynched so I believe that's why he "switched metas" again this go.

But what has been consistent across all metas I've seen is the lockdown on a singular target. And his confidence about it.

On January 27 2015 04:22 Toadesstern wrote:


though if he's tunneling he has confirmation bias by definition. If that's what he's doing it's likely he might ignore the parts you're blaming him for simply because he's certain you're mafia and looking at it only one way: Try to point out things that don't fit with your townmeta because you're mafia anyways

Both what you said and what I said come down to the same thing I feel. It could very well be malicious just the way I think locking on to just one target could be something malicious because that way he doesn't have to make up stuff about a lot of people and can just focus on one guy. But if he does tunnel a lot that's a moot point.

On December 20 2014 10:05 liancourt wrote:
U know why ppl arent lynching hf? Because they are reading his posts and not ignoring the content.

All of hfs posts whether scum or town are all superb. They are alwsys pro town in both alignments.

The thing u have to realize is hf busses nearly everytime. And when he s town he generally gets scum most of the time.

The only scum tell he prolly has is how he reacts to certain posts. If his reaction is genuine fake calm angry etc. Town hf is more angry more frustrated. Scum hf is calm then tries to be angry on purpose and fakes reactions. Ppls pov will differ on whether hfs reactions are fake or not but imo hf has been faking a lot this game. Just like the vote deadline faking anger. He can be angry in both alignments yes but it looked so fake to me. U guys cant put a case on hf for content cos he busses teammates. His content will alwsys be good. U have to read him as how me and slam read him. Slam knows hf so well. I still believe slam is town but dont know why u didnt vote hf when u did last time....slam??? Why????

At gb i m from asia

On December 20 2014 10:13 liancourt wrote:
Gb what is wrong with u???? Are u reading his posts? Stop reading hfs posts. And think for yourself.

Why its korean standard time. Because i m in korea.