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On January 26 2015 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 09:19 Toadesstern wrote:directed at me? Null. Wasn't the same "I don't give a fuck" you had in yours, as well as being made after I told the thread that I liked your innitial vote. Sure I didn't explain why I liked it despite it being a horrible vote at that time but being the 2nd one to do something like that, especially after I point it out like that, is a lot easier than being the first to do it, so no towniepoints for that. So nothing really Isn't it odd that he didn't Unvote yet, and how do you think mafia would react to my vote on you?
somewhat. Could be multiple things right now. Maybe he thinks he's pressuring me, maybe he's stubborn, maybe it's to have his vote somewhere and look like he's doing something. Has to be seen in the next couple hours.
There is not one general strategy mafia applies when playing and pretending I'd know what mafia'd do would be foolish.
On January 26 2015 09:22 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 09:19 Toadesstern wrote:directed at me? Null. Wasn't the same "I don't give a fuck" you had in yours, as well as being made after I told the thread that I liked your innitial vote. Sure I didn't explain why I liked it despite it being a horrible vote at that time but being the 2nd one to do something like that, especially after I point it out like that, is a lot easier than being the first to do it, so no towniepoints for that. So nothing really what do you think of eden's announcement to lurk to make town easier to lynch him proposal?
I was told he's good before joining the game. If he's good that's just whatever
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On January 26 2015 09:37 Eden1892 wrote:
Wait who the fuck said I'm good?
before a certain game started a certain host said he needs more skilled people in his game and asked if I could join. I told him to reserve a slot for me while I read the OP + who's in the game and asked about the 2 or 3 people I didn't know about and he said you're good.
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On January 26 2015 09:46 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 09:31 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2015 09:06 liancourt wrote:
gb was joking and i too was joking
but since it's first day I'll tell you this.
toad claims no one can read him. From my experience a player that cannot be read by other players don't play very townie. They mostly joke around and troll but through many many games they do this so even vets know that even if they don't do anything townie like giving reads or pointing fingers the other players will just let him be. One prime example of this case is Alakaslam. Many of you playing will hopefully know how he plays. I pride myself on reading him correctly despite him using chupazi and hijole. It's because I've seen many of his games and know his slight meta change in different allignments.
However, I have no idea how this guy, Toad, plays when he is town or mafia, and he goes far as to say he is unreadable. Well that really scares me as a player. To me it's like he was saying, "Guys I'm not going to do anything townie so that's that, but read me as town." I'm usually read as obviously townie by most people in the game, no matter if I'm town, mafia or 3rd party. I took like 3 mafia hits and an SK hit when I rolled 3rd party ninja/assassin in one of Palmars (?) games during night1 + night2. (LOL bulletproof) My most recent Mafia game was the shadow-vet game I replaced into for HF (iirc?) with Sandroba being lynched d1 and ending up one of the most townish guy for everyone except for the guy I got lynched on whatever cycle wer were on. We ended up winning that in a landslide despite Marv asking me to replace into an "already lost game" My most recent game as Town was the one that had 15 people divided into 5 cells of 3 where especially HF made it his best effort to put my cell first because it was the easiest one with a lot of people, including him and Marv, agreeing that I'm town. That's the reason I said I liked qtpi's answer to my first question in the thread. If she doesn't know me it makes perfect sense, it just doesn't apply to me but no way for her to know that. You're saying you get townread whatever allignment you roll. is this the same as being unreadable? If you do townie things whichever allignment I wouldn't call that being unreadable. I'd call that being a good mafia player. I guess it depends on whether I agree with your reads or not. Even if your townie, if I don't agree with the reasoning you're prolly scum. Right now you haven't really done anything as of yet so it's prolly null
I'm more of a... I look cutish at people and make them want to cuddle and protect me kind of guy. But yeah... if I get read as town most of times for wrong reasons and I'd call that unreadable if that happens all the time
On January 26 2015 09:48 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2015 09:37 Eden1892 wrote:
Wait who the fuck said I'm good? before a certain game started a certain host said he needs more skilled people in his game and asked if I could join. I told him to reserve a slot for me while I read the OP + who's in the game and asked about the 2 or 3 people I didn't know about and he said you're good. what do you think of his play so far?
I was expecting something else after Artanis called him good 
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On January 26 2015 09:58 liancourt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 09:54 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2015 09:46 liancourt wrote:On January 26 2015 09:31 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2015 09:06 liancourt wrote:
gb was joking and i too was joking
but since it's first day I'll tell you this.
toad claims no one can read him. From my experience a player that cannot be read by other players don't play very townie. They mostly joke around and troll but through many many games they do this so even vets know that even if they don't do anything townie like giving reads or pointing fingers the other players will just let him be. One prime example of this case is Alakaslam. Many of you playing will hopefully know how he plays. I pride myself on reading him correctly despite him using chupazi and hijole. It's because I've seen many of his games and know his slight meta change in different allignments.
However, I have no idea how this guy, Toad, plays when he is town or mafia, and he goes far as to say he is unreadable. Well that really scares me as a player. To me it's like he was saying, "Guys I'm not going to do anything townie so that's that, but read me as town." I'm usually read as obviously townie by most people in the game, no matter if I'm town, mafia or 3rd party. I took like 3 mafia hits and an SK hit when I rolled 3rd party ninja/assassin in one of Palmars (?) games during night1 + night2. (LOL bulletproof) My most recent Mafia game was the shadow-vet game I replaced into for HF (iirc?) with Sandroba being lynched d1 and ending up one of the most townish guy for everyone except for the guy I got lynched on whatever cycle wer were on. We ended up winning that in a landslide despite Marv asking me to replace into an "already lost game" My most recent game as Town was the one that had 15 people divided into 5 cells of 3 where especially HF made it his best effort to put my cell first because it was the easiest one with a lot of people, including him and Marv, agreeing that I'm town. That's the reason I said I liked qtpi's answer to my first question in the thread. If she doesn't know me it makes perfect sense, it just doesn't apply to me but no way for her to know that. You're saying you get townread whatever allignment you roll. is this the same as being unreadable? If you do townie things whichever allignment I wouldn't call that being unreadable. I'd call that being a good mafia player. I guess it depends on whether I agree with your reads or not. Even if your townie, if I don't agree with the reasoning you're prolly scum. Right now you haven't really done anything as of yet so it's prolly null I'm more of a... I look cutish at people and make them want to cuddle and protect me kind of guy. But yeah... if I get read as town most of times for wrong reasons and I'd call that unreadable if that happens all the time On January 26 2015 09:48 liancourt wrote:On January 26 2015 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2015 09:37 Eden1892 wrote:
Wait who the fuck said I'm good? before a certain game started a certain host said he needs more skilled people in his game and asked if I could join. I told him to reserve a slot for me while I read the OP + who's in the game and asked about the 2 or 3 people I didn't know about and he said you're good. what do you think of his play so far? I was expecting something else after Artanis called him good so you like to buddy up to people when you role scum? i know eden can play good. But for some reason he's playing like he really doesn't care how ppl read him. I don't know his sudden reason for change of meta, but I'm down for a policy lynch on him.
I'd say I buddy more as a townie for hilarity reasons in general. Marv told me he just lynches me when I'm against him because I seem to have a tendency for that whenever I roll mafia.
It's more about having balls and being able to not care about what I say as a mafia, which seems to be quite rare and thus makes me look townish most of the times.
Take my opening for example. It's pretty damn obvious I did this to kickstart the discussion and get us talking about reads rather than the weather straight away. I like what I've gotten out of the game so far considering how early we're in.
I really like some of the early reactions I've gotten and I like that there's people talking about stuff like reads and votes from the get go. And if you look at it that way, it is something blatantly townish but I'd do it as mafia as well because I'd be confident that people don't catch me anyways and being able to help out my allies better that way.
That's the one thing I don't like about Eden right now. Yeah I've been somewhat trollish with my first posts all right but I think I gave my reasoning and like I said, people have started talking about "serious" things a lot sooner. But he hasn't.
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and as I say that, there goes a post by him, brb reading :D
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I like the QTPI read. She indeed seemes genuin in general. No fake toughness like
On January 26 2015 10:05 Eden1892 wrote:
Man, now there are expectations and I have to pretend to give a damn. Fiiine. in her posts. No weird phrasing. Whatever it is she's doing it does feel like it is natural to her. More than anyone else in the thread right now.
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which popular opinion was the one he went against?
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On January 26 2015 10:50 liancourt wrote:
i'd read gb town for the analysis not because he went against popular views which imo is really an odd reason to say someone is townie.
I don't even think he went against any popular views and Eden never specified what he went against...
What I remember GB doing/saying:
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On January 26 2015 11:17 Eden1892 wrote:
I thought he:
Scum read toad town's opening when people seemed to like it
Scum read HTS when people townread her
Scum read me when other people were unsure (he said I was tops mafia lol)
That's rather a lot for the opening
the first two weren't popular opinions before he made the posts that are referring to that though.
The third one I wouldn't call a popular opinion at all, you even say your self "when other people were unsure"
Sounds more like he's comming to other conclusions than most people. He doesn't look like the kind of guy I'd want to sheep (sry) but that's something else than what you said.
I doublechecked the timing of his posts after I read your reasoning for townreading him and came to the conclusion that I don't agree with the way you did the read so I would have expected you to check those things as well when formulating your read
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On January 26 2015 11:30 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 11:27 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2015 11:17 Eden1892 wrote:
I thought he:
Scum read toad town's opening when people seemed to like it
Scum read HTS when people townread her
Scum read me when other people were unsure (he said I was tops mafia lol)
That's rather a lot for the opening the first two weren't popular opinions before he made the posts that are referring to that though. The third one I wouldn't call a popular opinion at all, you even say your self "when other people were unsure"Sounds more like he's comming to other conclusions than most people. He doesn't look like the kind of guy I'd want to sheep (sry) but that's something else than what you said. I doublechecked the timing of his posts after I read your reasoning for townreading him and came to the conclusion that I don't agree with the way you did the read so I would have expected you to check those things as well when formulating your read In gonna reread this late when I can make send of it
what you said was popular opinion only was popular opinion after he made his posts. He could not have willingly gone against popular opinion unless you're saying it's not about him going against thread sentiment but about being wrong and being wrong makes him town, which is something entirely different.
Anyways I'm off for now
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I lied, I wasn't sleeping yet. Just to get this out before actually sleeping:
This is going to be real annoying. I called your reasoning wrong and you figured out why. I never really called you mafia yet because all I have on you is giving a bullshit townread that might as well be a townie that didn't doublecheck his facts. Shit happens. And now we've got you suddenly posting super drunk (way more than before the pressure started) to the point that everyone will read this and think about if this is legit or just way over the top... and that's a stupid thing to argue about... especially if I have to fight confirmation bias myself because I already thought your early oneline inbetween sounded fake
As an example:
I don't like the fact that I had to be the one to point out that you never doublechecked your facts either. liancourt only realized that after I asked you what the popular opinions were GB supposedly went against and pointing out again that the timestamps don't match the story. I only checked that because he was pressuring you but he never bothered to himself either. And I'm the laziest fuck around...
It's 3 hours into the game. I like being open. What I've done so far I wouldn't even call reads but rather stating things that I find odd for some reason or another to get discussion going. I want them explained and I have people to talk about actual stuff like that rather than having people talk about how likely it is someone actually was drunk all along. So calm down a little and let's see what happens tomorrow. If I get enough of these small things that I'm convinced it no longer might just be coincidence I'll call you or him mafia and you'll notice that. So far I'm just calling your argument wrong.
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I'd be happy if some of you guys unvoted GB for now. It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people.
In particularly I'd like to hear some thoughts, particularly from VE and Palmar on Eden and his behavior yesterday
+ Show Spoiler [my thoughts, spoiler for readability] +so like I said, his innitial read on GB was bullshit but I didn't mind it that much. It boiled down to him not checking timestamps and if he's really on a party phoneposting no way in hell is he reading carefully enough for that. He then continued to get more pressure and started to post garbage like crazy. A lot more drunk, a lot more unreadable than before.
And I'm just sitting here thinking about how likely it is that actually happened... For me it's something like this:
party - phoneposting - drunk
Out of those 3 only 2 work together. If I'm on a party phoneposting I don't get that drunk because I'm reading a mafiagame and posting on my phone. Apparently not that good of a party.
If I'm drunk on a party I'm having fun, maybe I'd phonepost something early but if I'm really that drunk because the party's amazing I don't touch my phone anymore and have fun on the party
About VE:
I know I said I don't like talking about it... but it just sounds really fake to me. On the other hand, if he actually was drunk he's more likely to overreact like that ... It's just that last game as town I wanted to lynch BH, BH posted pics of his appartment and said he's moving so I didn't lynch him and it was really stupid of me (why would he sign up for a game if he knows he's going to move 2 days after the game starts...) and I don't want that to happen again
I liked this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=16#310 from VE he did recently.
Liked as in, I think that's something he'd post. I don't really agree with the first part and I am particularly worried that he picked that read as his vote so early when it's quite obvious that GB is perhaps one of the weak points of the playerfield (sry).
GB, to me seems like the easy mislynch right now. Could be VE feels a lot stronger about that read the way he phrased it but I don't hold GB to the same standards as I hold most other people in here, so he's getting a pass based from me right now.
All in all I'm leaning towards Eden, liancourt and Palmar right now. Lian because like I already mentioned I didn't like the fact that I had to be the one to point at the timestamps of HIS target + somethings bothering me about how he's appearing in here. Can't put my finger on it yet. Palmar mostly by process of elimination because Eden + lian doesn't make sense together. So it all goes back to
It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people.
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On January 27 2015 01:27 Toadesstern wrote:I'd be happy if some of you guys unvoted GB for now. It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people. In particularly I'd like to hear some thoughts, particularly from VE and Palmar on Eden and his behavior yesterday + Show Spoiler [my thoughts, spoiler for readability] +so like I said, his innitial read on GB was bullshit but I didn't mind it that much. It boiled down to him not checking timestamps and if he's really on a party phoneposting no way in hell is he reading carefully enough for that. He then continued to get more pressure and started to post garbage like crazy. A lot more drunk, a lot more unreadable than before.
And I'm just sitting here thinking about how likely it is that actually happened... For me it's something like this:
party - phoneposting - drunk
Out of those 3 only 2 work together. If I'm on a party phoneposting I don't get that drunk because I'm reading a mafiagame and posting on my phone. Apparently not that good of a party.
If I'm drunk on a party I'm having fun, maybe I'd phonepost something early but if I'm really that drunk because the party's amazing I don't touch my phone anymore and have fun on the party
About VE:
I know I said I don't like talking about it... but it just sounds really fake to me. On the other hand, if he actually was drunk he's more likely to overreact like that ... It's just that last game as town I wanted to lynch BH, BH posted pics of his appartment and said he's moving so I didn't lynch him and it was really stupid of me (why would he sign up for a game if he knows he's going to move 2 days after the game starts...) and I don't want that to happen again I liked this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=16#310 from VE he did recently. Liked as in, I think that's something he'd post. I don't really agree with the first part and I am particularly worried that he picked that read as his vote so early when it's quite obvious that GB is perhaps one of the weak points of the playerfield (sry). GB, to me seems like the easy mislynch right now. Could be VE feels a lot stronger about that read the way he phrased it but I don't hold GB to the same standards as I hold most other people in here, so he's getting a pass based from me right now. All in all I'm leaning towards Eden, liancourt and Palmar right now. Lian because like I already mentioned I didn't like the fact that I had to be the one to point at the timestamps of HIS target + somethings bothering me about how he's appearing in here. Can't put my finger on it yet. Palmar mostly by process of elimination because Eden + lian doesn't make sense together. So it all goes back to Show nested quote +It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people.
EBWOP
woops, the "About VE:" inside the spoiler was supposed to be the first thing outside of the spoiler, not inside the spoiler.
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On January 27 2015 01:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like Palmar is talking to me as if he knows I'm town. If no one else is noticing this, there isn't much else I can do.
nah he's assuming you are town for the sake of discussion which isn't weird at all.
On January 27 2015 01:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 27 2015 01:34 Palmar wrote:On January 27 2015 01:32 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 27 2015 01:32 Palmar wrote:On January 27 2015 01:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Doing you are fuck the?
I don't know what that means.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
Palmar's first day is his strongest, and he's not trying to get reads on anyone. He claims to not be reading the thread, and he's not trying to get anyone lynched.
GB's response to HTS is at least quasi-reasonable, Palmar is being maliciously bad. Correct. Now look within yourself, is there a correlation between what you have just discovered and the alignment you imply I have received? The "I'm playing too scummy to be scum" means literally less than nothing when you point it out yourself Palmar. If that is what you believe, who am I to question it? I'll lynch you, you know. If you're town you know I'm bad enough. I have never doubted that this is true.
that's a jest and nothing more to read into it imo
On January 27 2015 01:39 Half the Sky wrote:
Toad, thoughts on Robik so far? Have you played with him?
I know I have played with him once... I think I lynched him instead of a confirmed mafia because he was annoying... Or he was the mafia I should have lynched and I lynched someone else because I was annoyed.... all I remember is being furious about him and someone else
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On January 27 2015 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 01:42 Toadesstern wrote:On January 27 2015 01:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like Palmar is talking to me as if he knows I'm town. If no one else is noticing this, there isn't much else I can do. nah he's assuming you are town for the sake of discussion which isn't weird at all. On January 27 2015 01:37 Palmar wrote:On January 27 2015 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 27 2015 01:34 Palmar wrote:On January 27 2015 01:32 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 27 2015 01:32 Palmar wrote:On January 27 2015 01:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Doing you are fuck the?
I don't know what that means.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
Palmar's first day is his strongest, and he's not trying to get reads on anyone. He claims to not be reading the thread, and he's not trying to get anyone lynched.
GB's response to HTS is at least quasi-reasonable, Palmar is being maliciously bad. Correct. Now look within yourself, is there a correlation between what you have just discovered and the alignment you imply I have received? The "I'm playing too scummy to be scum" means literally less than nothing when you point it out yourself Palmar. If that is what you believe, who am I to question it? I'll lynch you, you know. If you're town you know I'm bad enough. I have never doubted that this is true. that's a jest and nothing more to read into it imo On January 27 2015 01:39 Half the Sky wrote:
Toad, thoughts on Robik so far? Have you played with him? I know I have played with him once... I think I lynched him instead of a confirmed mafia because he was annoying... Or he was the mafia I should have lynched and I lynched someone else because I was annoyed.... all I remember is being furious about him and someone else .........okay, so why are YOU assuming Palmar is town?
because I'm trying to think about why'd he do it from both perspectives. I think what he said there is perfectly fine if he's town and doesn't have to be him *knowing* you are town. Therefore I think it's a null because both explanations make sense. I'd say mine makes more sense if anything.
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he's talking with you. Wether that's a good discussion is another question
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VE... when you say
On January 27 2015 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 01:34 Palmar wrote:On January 27 2015 01:32 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 27 2015 01:32 Palmar wrote:On January 27 2015 01:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Doing you are fuck the?
I don't know what that means.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
Palmar's first day is his strongest, and he's not trying to get reads on anyone. He claims to not be reading the thread, and he's not trying to get anyone lynched.
GB's response to HTS is at least quasi-reasonable, Palmar is being maliciously bad. Correct. Now look within yourself, is there a correlation between what you have just discovered and the alignment you imply I have received? The "I'm playing too scummy to be scum" means literally less than nothing when you point it out yourself Palmar. If that is what you believe, who am I to question it? I'll lynch you, you know. If you're town you know I'm bad enough.
everyone will take that jab at you. No matter of alignment, no matter of player. Everyone.
If everyone does that it is not alignment indicating. I'm all up for lynching Palmar if he continues like this but we're not lynching him for taking a jab at you...
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On January 27 2015 01:54 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 01:53 Toadesstern wrote:VE... when you say On January 27 2015 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 27 2015 01:34 Palmar wrote:On January 27 2015 01:32 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 27 2015 01:32 Palmar wrote:On January 27 2015 01:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Doing you are fuck the?
I don't know what that means.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
Palmar's first day is his strongest, and he's not trying to get reads on anyone. He claims to not be reading the thread, and he's not trying to get anyone lynched.
GB's response to HTS is at least quasi-reasonable, Palmar is being maliciously bad. Correct. Now look within yourself, is there a correlation between what you have just discovered and the alignment you imply I have received? The "I'm playing too scummy to be scum" means literally less than nothing when you point it out yourself Palmar. If that is what you believe, who am I to question it? I'll lynch you, you know. If you're town you know I'm bad enough. everyone will take that jab at you. No matter of alignment, no matter of player. Everyone. If everyone does that it is not alignment indicating. I'm all up for lynching Palmar if he continues like this but we're not lynching him for taking a jab at you... I don't want to lynch him for taking a jab at me. I want to lynch him for being a non-entity this game when D1 is BY HIS OWN ADMISSION his very BEST day. He has done nothing but troll this day. Is he capable of such as town? Sure, absolutely. Do I find it likely? Given that he's more interested in trolling WHEN SCRUTINY IS ON HIM and less so when people aren't talking about him, I find it far more likely that he's doing it as mafia.
and that's fine. All I'm saying is that the one point you brought up about him talking as if he knew your alignment is wrong.
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can we expect you to tell us what you're after and what you got out of it by the end of today Palmar?
Today as in this literal day, not the mafia day
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On January 27 2015 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Initially it was all about your lack of engagement with the game, while simultaneously feeling it necessary to troll. Initially you hadn't made a read on ANYONE, including myself. And even after you started engaging with me you never EXPRESSLY said you thought I was town, which is WHY I found it odd that you were speaking to me AS IF you knew I was town.
he's asking you what post he did seemed like that. He wants you to point it out, maybe highlight it with a [*b] or [*red] tag and point it at him saying "this is where you are talking to me as if you know my alignment"
Even after I got into that discussion giving my 2 cents on what I thought you were referring to, you never really said what it was.
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