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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 00:19 GMT
#973
Ah, and one last thing...

GlowingBear...if you're town, let's start seeing some town agenda/actions from you, please.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
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Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 00:24 GMT
#977
So I'm not going to bed quite yet...

Palmar....you didn't answer my question.

You were scumreading Toad.

Why would you throw in a policy vote over pushing Toad, a scumread of yours? Am I missing something?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 00:24 GMT
#978
On January 28 2015 09:20 Palmar wrote:
HTS

STOP TRYING TO USE META.


I'll admit I tried. I admitted I hated it. I gave up.

Next?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 00:28 GMT
#981
On January 28 2015 09:26 Eden1892 wrote:
Wait hol up Palmar

What is case on Toad


Page 37.

It looked pretty legit, which is why I tried following up on it.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 00:30 GMT
#982
Alright, now I need to really go to bed.

Good night everyone <3
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 05:16 GMT
#1084
Good morning. Up early for a workout and then headed to work.

Why does all the interesting events have to happen whilst I'm sleeping...ugh.

I skimmed through the last 5 pages, but will review more in detail midday/lunch.

Palmar, noted on the meta reads...fine. I understand what you are saying now on my use of them.
I used them to get a better understanding of you, but generally with the way things work I don't use meta in hardly any of my cases.

More to come...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 05:25 GMT
#1085
First impression of the GB/Palmar exchange...

I still find the Palmar voting sequence weird. Those two quoted posts I made, I could have sworn was based on an initial scumread on him (in addition to the one on Toad), so why did he say policy later? Am I missing something?

I'll re-read when I have more time today.

GlowingBear's exchange with Palmar, he is sounding a LOT more credible. I'd have to agree with Eden on that one.

Still I'll look harder into things there.

I don't understand Palmar punishing people because he wants to be a dick or however he phrased it but, if he's done that as both alignments, then it is probably NAI. But something doesn't feel right to me about the policy vote part when I could have sworn he was trying to find a reason to scumread GB. I don't know if what he posted on page 52 is a cover for a potential mafia action. Maybe it's just me being paranoid.

On the flip side, he's pushing Toad. Still. Which is what a townie should be doing. And the argument against Toad does get more substantial when you consider the vote.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 05:31 GMT
#1086
And finally, liancourt.

Onegu and Eden are spot on.

I think you've had ONE good read all game, but I don't know why you're posting the way you are.

You had better structured arguments in the NYE party mafia game, (using as a basis for comparison) so I know you're capable of town-driven posts, and these types of posts are clearly not it.

You're also ignoring the people who are scumreading you (or have reason to). And that's a very bad sign.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
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Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 05:39 GMT
#1087
One thing I want to draw attention to before I go - some people here suspect Toad (someone voted him too I think???) and some suspect liancourt. Possibility of that scum team - does it make sense?

I don't like associative reads again, but since night is silent I think we need to keep on the backs of our minds...

Take a note on the interactions between those two. Lian has drawn attention to Toad's way of posting like he can't get a read on him. Is that a weak enough case where if he flips we might just leave Toad alone because he scumread him?

It's WIFOM and such but it's something to consider.

Toad has leaned towards Lian being scum but prioritised Onegu over him in each of his scum lists. Though I'm not seeing hard pushes on any of them.

Maybe it sounds crazy but I thought I'd bring the idea up since some are scumreading (or at least null leaning scum) on at least one of these.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 05:39 GMT
#1088
Off I go. I'll focus more on this when I get a chance later today.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 05:40 GMT
#1089
Ah, last question to all of you, being a bit newish here...

What does L-1, L-2 or whatever mean?

Cheers.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:16 GMT
#1124
Back.

After reviewing everything from when I went to bed, I'm going to say Lian and Toad are my top two for lynch (in that order). Stick to one of these since most of us are pretty sure.

I don't see how Onegu is even on the table when he could have hammered a town GB during the time Palmar voted/unvoted (around 4:30pm GMT yesterday, and I'd quoted that). I recall him discouraging us from voting GB because of the martyr thing. Unless people are saying his arguments are bad, but he has been pushing Lian.

Robik has been doing less and less. Off the cuff, my issue with Robik is that he doesn't seem to have any other scum reads than GB.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:17 GMT
#1125
##vote liancourt

Can we get a vote count please?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:20 GMT
#1127
Never mind. If I vote Toad, I will be #4 on him.

We have 10 more hours we can try and discuss things otherwise we have to brace for a hammer at any point.
Is anyone else in thread? (Palmar?)
In which case I have no problems voting Toad.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:27 GMT
#1129
Palmar, if you're in thread, can you answer one last question I had?

On January 27 2015 18:03 Palmar wrote:
Eden is town

So this leaves:

GB
lian
Toad
Onegu

But then again I'm bad and idk.

The best argument against GB is that he attempted to create a framework for his thought process and didn't really follow it through. It is very tempting to create a framework for yourself when you're mafia "I am only going to read 2 people today", "I am going to do list posts and update them", because it makes posting easier, you just follow whichever formula you have supplied and no one suspects a thing! simple, right?

I can't remember why I think Toad is maybe mafia. But he really could be. The other two I haven't read that much.


On January 27 2015 23:30 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 21:54 GlowingBear wrote:
HTS I'm not ignoring your posts, I'm just not reading a lot from the thread yet. Sometimes I get a random page and see what's going on. That's all.

You're calling me mafia for things that doesn't make me mafia. You're too tunnelled.

who is mafia.

Clearly, by this post, you don't think HTS is mafia, as do you think robik is. Me and my bro VE are town, and in your world you must be town.

So that leaves

Toad
liancourt
eden
onegu

two of which were your original townreads.

lian/toad

so that leaves Eden and Onegu as the mafia team.

Eden isn't mafia, so.... onegu is mafia?


I'm still a tad confused on what you were trying to do with GB. Were you scumreading him at all when you looked into this?

And if you were how did a scumread become a policy vote?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:29 GMT
#1134
On January 28 2015 22:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like what kind of stuff do you want to discuss? And how do you know that anyone will even be around near lynch time?

Honestly I think we should start thinking about just coming up with a lynch we can all agree on. Right now I'm looking at Onegu and lian, but Palmar could (if he tried) convince me to vote Toad.


Fair, then, since I am ready to vote two people. Vote is already on Lian, but 3 are voting Toad. I'd be #4.
Palmar's chief case on Toad, was on page 37.

I think if you take that case on Toad along with seeing what he's done (or not done) lately will show why he's a good vote too.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:29 GMT
#1136
VE, page 37 is the original case.

On January 27 2015 23:41 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 18:22 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 27 2015 18:03 Palmar wrote:
Eden is town

So this leaves:

GB
lian
Toad
Onegu

But then again I'm bad and idk.

The best argument against GB is that he attempted to create a framework for his thought process and didn't really follow it through. It is very tempting to create a framework for yourself when you're mafia "I am only going to read 2 people today", "I am going to do list posts and update them", because it makes posting easier, you just follow whichever formula you have supplied and no one suspects a thing! simple, right?

I can't remember why I think Toad is maybe mafia. But he really could be. The other two I haven't read that much.

if you take out my name from that list those other three have been the ones I want to lynch every since the last... 24 hours? ... what does that tell us about what you should be thinking about me?

This post is complete horseshit

Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 15:54 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 27 2015 14:57 Half the Sky wrote:
Sanity please. Good morning.

Took about 10m to skim through. Will post my initial impressions before I jet for work.

I'll look a little harder into Liancourt's posting, but I have some thoughts and some criticisms.

This post from Lian is making me reconsider a scum read on him. Here's why:

On January 27 2015 13:51 liancourt wrote:
@toad

I know you're trying to be the thread mayor and all, but I really expected HF/marv/koshi level play from you, but I'm somewhat disappointed...maybe I had high expectations of you or maybe you're holding back for some reason. It's like you're playing politics and moderating everything instead of pointing fingers and pushing things hard.



How many scumreads does Toad have right now? From what I can tell, zero.

This part of Lian's post is making me think that what if a (potential) mafia Toad could cruise on being so widely townread? It doesn't look likely at this point, but the fact that it made me think, and it shows that Lian has made some broad observation of a player relative to the entire game, despite Toad himself only having a three page filter.

I took a look at Toad's filter, and he seems to be in that information gathering/analysing phase of scumhunting, but if I don't see him pushing something/someone soon, I might just start to wonder. His first vote was on Liancourt on what I believed to be a pressure vote and then he unvoted.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still reading Toad as town, but this was a very provocative post by Lian and makes me think he's town for this observation. At the very least, I might actually move him upwards from my scumpile.

I'm one of the guys that figures out who's town and lynches into whoever is left, starting with the guy my stomach likes the least as I'm usually incredibly confident in my townreads. You're probably not going to see me make long cases about people being mafia. That mostly goes out to you and lian who said he expected me to be someone like Marv/HF... I even told you that I'm the kind of guy that just looks cute and everyone wants to cuddle :3

That being said, a walkthrough of my thoughts lately would be: We lynch into Eden / Lian / Onegu, preferably Lian or Onegu at the point of when I made my general list. Robik if we havn't won by then.

Right now I'm fairly confident that I don't want to touch Eden at all, he has been quite impressive the last 24~30 hours or so and like I already said I agree with that one point on GB you did, so he dropped in my list. So for right now it's between Onegu and Lian, leaning towards Onegu. GB for me is an option I'd be willing to discuss but that to me has the same value as a policy lynch because a potential mislynch on GB would be a disaster. Meaning if that guy ends up town we had the easiest votedump for mafia ever for d1. Onegu has that under-the-radar but not just completly afk feel to him I don't like. Lian I have to reread some because people apparently think he got super towny in the last couple hours?

I'd also like to add Palmar to the list because he still hasn't done shit at all but let's be honest here, he knows me good enough to know that I'd only be pressuring and asking people to give him one more day if push comes to shove. I've seen him behave exactly like this as town multiple times (I think? at least once), which doesn't make him town but I'd try to avoid that lynch d1.


Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 08:19 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 27 2015 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 27 2015 07:51 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - what also struck me was people in this thread townreading GB simply because he seemed to be putting in the effort for his notetaking posts.

I'm mostly still townreading him for the vote on me that had a townish confidence to it to not give a fuck

About your case. I actually quite like it and am considering GB a null at best right now...
I don't care so much about your first point about him and your last point, but the second one about Onegu just commenting on the vote without trying to figure anything out when indeed he was confused and asked about wether it's a troll / mayor / lynch vote at just that time.

That could very well be painting someone red rather than trying to read someone.


the more I think about that one point, the more I like it actually. It is clearly showing mafia agenda, more so than any other case done so far, including my own reads that are all based on how people are interacting here because d1 is usually really hard to get some mafia agenda when noone has flipped yet.

I'd be voting him if I didn't want to make sure we get more time right now. There's still the lingering fear that he's bad and the easy mislynch but it makes me feel way better about this.


Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 27 2015 07:51 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - what also struck me was people in this thread townreading GB simply because he seemed to be putting in the effort for his notetaking posts.

I'm mostly still townreading him for the vote on me that had a townish confidence to it to not give a fuck

About your case. I actually quite like it and am considering GB a null at best right now...
I don't care so much about your first point about him and your last point, but the second one about Onegu just commenting on the vote without trying to figure anything out when indeed he was confused and asked about wether it's a troll / mayor / lynch vote at just that time.

That could very well be painting someone red rather than trying to read someone.


Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 07:15 Toadesstern wrote:
can someone restate the things that make GB mafia that don't boil down to "he's bad"?
I don't care about him being wrong with what he does. I want to see why doing what's wrong is more beneficial for him as mafia than as a townie.

Because I still only see him as the easy mislynch to be honest.


In fact I am much more sure on Toad being mafia than GB. But lynching both might be fine.

The point here is Toad is waffling so hard on GB that it's almost painful

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Half the Sky
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Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:30 GMT
#1139
Palmar, do you have anything to add to your original case?

Why don't you think Lian, for example is a better candidate?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:31 GMT
#1141
Well shit, I can't count. I thought Toad had three already.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 28 2015 13:39 GMT
#1144
VE, by itself it might be weak but there are a few more things.

The other problem I'm having is he's not particularly pushing anyon aside from listing scumreads. At least not that I can recall.

Also I knew there was another suspicious exchange...here it is.

[QUOTE]On January 27 2015 19:53 Toadesstern wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 27 2015 19:43 Palmar wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 27 2015 19:33 Toadesstern wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 27 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:
Do you think my concern regarding GB is irrelevant Toad?[/QUOTE]
I've never done that as mafia ever. I'm not even sure if "against GB" means "against GB lynch" or "against GB (being town)" with the topic being what it is recently.[/QUOTE]
So what?

I feel like it's a mafia thing to do. Unlike all the baddies who cling to meta, I don't care if it's been done before or if he has done it before. I think it's a scummy way to frame your posting this current game.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]On January 27 2015 19:56 Toadesstern wrote:
besides... I don't think I should talk about this stuff. I think I made my point clear: I'd prefer one of the other 2 for today. If GB happens to be the lynch I'm fine with lynching him too[/QUOTE]

I don't like these quotes. Because to me, they sound like a scum who doesn't want to be held accountable for something he said if he were to backtrack, etc.

What do you think?
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