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Part of the reason I see you doing this is to vet his alignment and see if he comes in marv!town. If he doesn't and cba we get a mafia if he does we at least have lowered the lynch pool. And lynching marv is fun | ||
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On January 20 2015 02:14 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Do you have experience in the field? Some, if hes town he yells lots | ||
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Nope never have, but have gotten him as mafia. And been called an idiot at one point. | ||
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HF makes me happy with that oats post. | ||
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I meant to vote marv before I left but voting on a phone is really painful at points. I missed oats post, while I was rereading. Willie is being a bit dodgy here. | ||
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Out of all three I think HF vote is the best, and it sparked discussion rather than afk on marv till he showed up | ||
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On January 20 2015 09:04 KelsierSC wrote: I find it hard that you didn't notice, you were in the thread and hr mentioned your name. So your pressure in Marv is legitimate then. To me it looks like you sort of trolled by saying "lynching Marv is fun" Do you know as far as I know marv has never been mislynch day 1? And he barely ever gets lynched as town? If we lynch marv it's fun because he's scum | ||
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On January 20 2015 09:13 KelsierSC wrote: I didn't know that. So you are actually pressuring Marv then ? Right now no, he probably won't show up till Tommorow. But when he does I will be | ||
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Marv would be around when game started wouldn't be around now probably. | ||
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However to hrs, art put a lot of effort into writing. So I wanted to give it a read he deserves we have 4x hours of interactions will be opportunities | ||
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When someone is self meta aware it is not as big a detriment in the thread especially when that person generally can't be bothered. | ||
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On January 20 2015 10:31 Holyflare wrote: Damdy, look me in the eyes and tell me you're town. I GOT A PM On way home | ||
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The comment made me laugh HF, but i'm town this time. going back and rereading some of the things I've missed while I was at work now. | ||
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Yes the crocodile is getting ever closer to getting the rest of me I realize this. And I got a bit distracted doing other things anyway. I'm a bit undecided on Marv but just tone wise he seemed ok compared to other games I've seen him in when hes rolled scum. I really don't have a good read on anyone at this point which is really weird for me to say, possibly its because the conversation was so heavily involved in Marvs meta. Willie was being a dick which is null and I still really do not understand where Kel was going or trying to go, I somewhat see what he meant to do I think. But I don't think it makes me scum at all. | ||
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And HF read on you isn't that bad, your damdred reason is shit, and peacing out is horrible and deserved a pressure vote. | ||
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Policy lynch from lians perspective I think would be warranted honestly and isn't that out of the ordinary for what SL pulled in his last two games. I'm not sure why SL went off about if we lynch him town loses not sure I believe that at all. SL is acting scummy though. Also Oats, for clarification. HF vote was pretty good on you and started conversation I guess is what I meant to say but I still missed that post before I saw HF post. | ||
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On January 21 2015 00:37 sicklucker wrote: hi.. Im here answering questions giving reads. Yea because you are getting voted, and self meta to me looks scummy *shrug* | ||
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SL described his town play would normally be and was like ARENT I DOING THIS. That's a form of self-metaing | ||
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On January 21 2015 00:51 KelsierSC wrote: you feel he is to focused on clearing himself than finding scum? Right now he is. I'd rather him find and convince people are scum rather than trying to clear himself one would be more convincing. | ||
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Marv is more than likely town, I spoke earlier that his tone is way different than when he is mafia it doesn't really sound dejected and he seems to be enjoying himself while hes playing. His push seems sincere and even his tiff with Vivax looks ok. I wouldn't lynch him today at all | ||
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On January 21 2015 00:59 KelsierSC wrote: Finally , what do you think about vivax? I know you said SL was scummy. Vivax is sorta a hard read right here, I do not think that I would lynch him today. He looked bad during the fight with Marv I think just for ignoring things that were important and his analysis was way to early. And pulled way to much pre-flip associative reads for my taste. It looks like crazy town vivax and his fight reminds me of his fight with Koshi in one of the titanic games. Need a bit more time to get a hard read but nullish town. And yea sl is scummy | ||
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On January 21 2015 01:13 sicklucker wrote: You guys scum read me everygame tho especially you dandred. Dandred name one game where you didnt scum read me. You cant. Just off the top of my head Titanic Imperial Metal mafia I townread you for most of the game in fact Student mafia I had you as town was just annoyed at your stupid association reads. That's four off the top of my head I had your alignment right XD, anyway catching back up | ||
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Weird anger, the pressure vote falling off so fast when SL doesn't have a ton of experience with Marv. Not really scum hunting until forced to. | ||
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Newbie game that we played together or student mafia or whatever it was called, I town read you I just kept calling you back and stupid for making dumb association reads up about me and bats flipping scum when we were both town. Carol I town read you until I died obviously. I'm not sure why this is even an issue usually when GB and myself are town together we scum read each other and then we are like "oh hi you are town". You are making a mountain out of a mole hill somewhat trying to seemingly discredit me with "DAMDRED NEVER READS ME RIGHT". It just feels like total desperation to survive | ||
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On January 21 2015 02:57 Vivax wrote: ALSO: I just checked the voting thread. Why isn't KSC voting SL? He isn't commenting on any of the reasons marv and HF posted, instead His latest posts: Kelsier disagrees with SL. Ignores marv and HF arguments for SL being scum. Followup on this: 0. Does he try to push suspicion on Dam afterwards?No, he does this: Instead of going further after Dam, he tries to sway discussion to HTS to protect both Dam and SL. This still hasn't been answered by Dam. Yet Kelsier feels it's more important to go after HTS at the moment. Trust me guys. We lynch SL today, and all these interactions I just displayed will display that Dam and Kelsier are his scumbuddies. + The way Kelsier tried to buddy marv and push suspicion on me when we were fighting while both town. If SL flips town then..I'll have to go back to my old theory. You really aren't reading the thread are you vivax? I have answered that question? | ||
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On January 21 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote: Damd why do you feel so out of the loop? You're not really actively participating but instead are just really commenting on things. Limited time I suppose and trying to catch up on answering/asking things when i'm here. Its really annoying because I start typing out a good reply and then its already been covered its kind of disheartening. | ||
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On January 21 2015 02:52 Damdred wrote: Weird anger, the pressure vote falling off so fast when SL doesn't have a ton of experience with Marv. Not really scum hunting until forced to. | ||
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On January 21 2015 03:01 sicklucker wrote: But you never lynch me because you always correctly read me. Of people in this game you should be willing to give me more time. I never lynch you because I generally town read you early and it falls off later when we get to poe, if it ever falls off then I regain your towniness. And there is always a better lynch which i'm finding it hard to find a better lynch right now. | ||
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On January 21 2015 03:08 Vivax wrote: Did Kelsier reply to this reply and give a conclusion on what your reply means for your alignment or is he still trying to paint HTS scum? No I just gave this reply on my return not even 10 minutes probably ago | ||
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PALMAR AFTER THIS GAME I AM NEVER IGNORING YOUR ADVICE ABOUT THROWING MY VOTE AROUND. I never move my vote around a lot, i'm giving sl time just because I scum read him now doesn't mean I will later. You are insane vivax | ||
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This isn't a helpful conversation | ||
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This is a normal there probably isn't conversion and it woudlnt' be during the day more than likely. You have derailed thread into something that is almost impossible literally | ||
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Marv can you explain to me what your hesitation with hts is? I know yousaid you couldn't read them well previously but tell me about them | ||
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On January 21 2015 03:53 marvellosity wrote: Well, it's just that HtS has this generally kinda waffly style as town, it's almost like scales of indirectness. She's not massively direct and forceful at the best of times. I know you just read the scum game she did. Did you see any difference in that and town game? | ||
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But yea, SL keeps dodging but i'm not sure that's alignment indicative at this point. He could really believe hes answering. meh | ||
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I think kel is really towny this day, at parts he slides back a little bit and his follow up is ok mostly. His trap is pretty towny and he seems to be legit pressuring people and getting at things until he's satisfied super towny. Marv looks towny to me, mostly it was his tone early in the game, didn't really sound like it did in his mafia games and he is pushing whatever he wants whenever. HF looks towny to, he pushes things and follows up pretty good and let's things go after he is satisfied and wants people involved pretty sure this is town HF. Vivax is someone I'm really struggling with. He seems to be putting work in at some points but all of it looks pretty shoddy and is only based on association rather than anything else. And at vBulletin other points he just shuts up the thread ans fights for no reason. I don't know if he's town or not. Sl is pretty crummy, might be the lynch today. Keeps picking up on inconsequential things and . Pushing them like the surf issue. Dodging most things, discredits people when he can. Its all pretty crummy behavior. Oats looks good to he has some decent posts today and everything lines up. I think he is a good townpile. HTS and lian I really haven't paid attention to. Slam looks ok so does willie | ||
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Why is that hf | ||
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On January 21 2015 07:20 batsnacks wrote: ebwop I wanted to add I play similarly as scum... I give weird free town reads. I never even realized it until someone pointed it out (I think it was damdred that pointed it out to me). So even if SL doesn't consciously realize he's doing it doesn't mean he's not doing it. idk if that makes sense. I agree with you and I rue the day I told you about that </3 | ||
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On January 21 2015 07:25 Wile E. Coyote wrote: So you aren't even questioning the people who attack you? Whats there to question about exactly? Kel thinks i'm scummy for the way I went about the start of the game, HF thinks i'm out of the loop, you think I look weak. These aren't exactly accusations that can be met head on and question them exactly, these are just the way they are righ tnow. | ||
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On January 21 2015 07:31 Wile E. Coyote wrote: If this is the way things are then that means you have a decent townread on all of the mentioned players. Is this correct? Because your post heavily implies that you think we are town. I'm pretty sure in the weak post I town read all of the mentioned people, you I said looked ok. Did you even read what you said looked weak? | ||
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On January 21 2015 07:36 Holyflare wrote: what happened to the person i nominated most improved????? Having a really bad game, bad time constrints past few days I guess. Like I said before theres not much I can do at this point to convince people i'm giving thoughts but people just say i'm scummy anyway and then some form of trap that makes no sense zzzz. | ||
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Actually talk to me about this lian why are you town reading me or at least reading me this way to try to push a vote off me? | ||
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There is nothing really I have done to deserve that form of reaction to saying they would vote me is there really? | ||
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On January 21 2015 08:00 liancourt wrote: where ever did you get the idea that I'm town reading you or reading in that way to try to push a vote off you? I want SL lynched. Town will discuss things regarding you when he is lynched. psh ok | ||
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Anyway gotta pick the wife up | ||
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Tell me where you would want to lead thread today, onto hts or towards someone else? | ||
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Some of his posts seem ok, but most of his filter is just one liners and almost no follow up can be seen with what he is doing. His biggest conversation points are when he is attacked by HF and hf ends up disengaging after a bit. After that he has some questions but as I said earlier the follow up just isn't there overall. What little follow up with hts doesn't seem to be in the vein of solving the game. Most of everything is one liners with little to no insight and I see no conclussions that have been drawn, just that the thread sentiments are good lynches today. While I said he was ok early on this guy is a good possible scum. | ||
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Decent lynch for today. | ||
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On January 21 2015 23:39 Holyflare wrote: Damdred also never states that he can't keep up with 2 games. At all. Ever. Instead he just complains reallllyyyy out of the blue that he was demotivated and everyone immediately said "huh?" because it was so random/not characteristic. Nothing he has done this game is progressive. It's all answering KelsierSC questions about marv and then saying sl was lying about some meta and then into demotivated speech. Its demotivating being in every persons scum list for doing something half of the game did? Everything I've done is being categorized as scummy, its like trying to dig your way out of the pit by digging down instead of just digging steps. | ||
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Here she asks questions wants people to hold off on votes on marv for instance to see what he can do when it would be a good time to jump on. Is super inquisitive about peoples reasoning's behind things here. She does push scummy things here but she does it in a very different way than in the scum game, instead of latching onto things here she looks at them and questions before doing anything with it. She does not lack conclusions to my eyes and seems to have a pretty clear flowing line of thought. Overall not a good lynch at all, I would town her. | ||
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On January 22 2015 00:02 Holyflare wrote: Not to mention in the game which i forgot the name of but obi was a cop and everyone was suspicious of damdred apart from me at one point damd didn't say he was demotivated or anything like that at all afaik. It's very uncharacteristic from someone who I had to shoot n1 in carol because he got the whole mafia team right. I rage quit that thread like twice, and you hammered me because you thought I was scum over Palmar! | ||
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On January 22 2015 00:08 Vivax wrote: I Remember a game on omgus.net and the only thing I noticed about scum slam is that he piled up on mislynches without batting an eyelid while not doing anything besides that except posting his trolly chupazi thingy. Give me other options Dam, who's scum besides Slam? I think I said oats and wilie previous page | ||
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On January 22 2015 00:08 Holyflare wrote: I honestly don't care who gets lynched Why? thought you wanted me dead? | ||
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* Nit picks people from the sidelines * When someone is getting heat Oats adds a bit more gas to the fire * Doesn't really bring much real contribution to the thread * Most noteworthy contribution is talking about a policy lynch stance on Marv and not understanding my reasons. | ||
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On January 22 2015 00:20 KelsierSC wrote: I think oats is town explain | ||
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On January 22 2015 05:07 Vivax wrote: And by in some way I mean he's trying to get Damdred or HTS lynched instead of lian. So Kelsier, give me one good reason for you suddenly townreading lian or you're scum. | ||
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I have done things, so stop trying to make me look scummy because I don't fit into the mold you want. | ||
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On January 22 2015 05:37 KelsierSC wrote: because we're not. I haven't seen a single good case yet. My points against oats are actually good, you are town reading him for really crappy reasons honestly. | ||
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I could say Marv is mafia because he only eats fish as mafia and he ate fish in the thread therefore he is mafia. That is a good case, it doesn't need 10 yards of proof to make it true because it is true if you read the filter and see the proof. Quote cases leads to bias being built and narratives and many people skip over the important pieces. | ||
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You can't look at his filter and tell me concisely who he is scum reading and why. He gives a random lynch of people that barely show up in his filter at all and once I post against him he instantly votes me and leaves. he has no semblance of scum hunting at all and is being totally useless and you town read him. k | ||
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On January 22 2015 05:47 KelsierSC wrote: right and I think he has been pretty controversial so far and a few people have already pinged him out for it. no...no he really hasn't been controversial for oats hes been really on the side lines and just randomly throwing thing sin | ||
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On January 22 2015 05:52 KelsierSC wrote: but you said he called you bad when most of the thread agreed with your reasons..isn't that controversial? He called me bad before anyone had weighed in. That's not controversial | ||
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And this is a scum read? this is a reason to vote someone before deadline and fuck off? | ||
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* Oats starts the game off by saying something is bad without any explanation and leaving the game. * He comes back and defends his view which some agree with and some don't and never draws conclusions from this * He never explains why he wants to lynch anyone or why he scum reads people * During fights or arguments he adds fuel to the fire in SLs case he makes it very clear that he thinks SL is lying and heaps more pressure on him. * Is not voting a scum read but came back said a case on him was bad put his vote down on the person who made the case said it was bad and left without explanation * is not being controversial but more side lines and flying under the radar, is not scum hunting Oats is scum vote for him. | ||
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On January 22 2015 11:37 Damdred wrote: Trying to be as objective as possible with the vote analysis Slam didn't vote so theres that to look into, also its possible slam is a mafia here as liancourt indicated in one of his last wills (lian has an affinity of reading slam somehow) Oatsmaster, Damdred, VayneAuthority were the lone voters. There is a good chance that there is one scum in this group of three even if I include myself. The way the wagons formed and people refused to switch its possible that HTS or SL is scum here because of the resistance to consolidating on the lynch leaders at the time (which is not scummy in of itself), however it seemed like people were happier to just afk lynch Lian than do anything else. The other two scum are more than likely hiding on one of the top two lynch wagons one on Liancourt more than likely and one on SL (I am townreading sl so pretty sure at least one scum is on his wagon) I think that that HTS wagon is pretty pure with KSC (one of my top town) and HF trying to pull off the lynch at the deadline. Just looking at the people who were here and active at the time, Damdred refused to move onto one of his town reads in HTS or SL but did not consider moving onto lian to strengthen that lynch which is suspect as it looks like he was trying to shift blame potentially or just trying not to be on a town lynch. Koshi was one of the main proponents of the liancourt lynch, pushed it fairly effectively but at the end made it seem more of a policy lynch than anything in some of his posts. Vivax sheeped on but was not present for eod. HTS was trying to save herself and SL wanted to switch but was unable to as he potentially could hammer himself. On this wagon I think HTS has the greatest shot at being scum even though I townread him before EoD. (If there is a scum on this wagon) The SL wagon is headed up by a push in the early goings of the day cycle by HF who switched to HTS. The wagon had great momentum but SL looked and acted really towny in the 2nd half of the day cycle and added to the game. Batsnacks was afk during this period and not sure that he can't be scum here, he showed a surprising lack of wanting to switch to another wagon while he was here due to what people saw as dodging of SL to HF. Wilie E. Coyote is another possible scum on the wagon, his general lack of care to switch wagons was surprising especially since nobody was wanting to switch to SLs wagon at the EoD, plus his being critical towards people who were trying to secure another lynch instead of push either of the larger wagons which were town raised my eyebrows since his wagon had no traction at that time. Very possible scum on this wagon and would lean towards wilie over Bats. The extreme lack of care even by myself to consolidate on a lynch is really disturbing in this case, it caused the votes to be extremely spread out and really helpful for scum to hide in it. But I believe there is one scum in the three single voters and one on both lead wagons at this point. Out of everyone involved just by looking at EoD and shortly afterwards I would go with a scum team of, HTS (due to the extreme resistance that was felt against the lynch) Wilie (for discouraging the push onto HTS, being generally aggressive towards anyone pushing another wagon and disparaging towards others tone read obviously), the last is hard I would like to say Oats, but I am not sure as I've been quite bad up to this point. But yea, seeing as it was a town wagon that got lynched I think it effectively clears HF of scum as scum would have no real wanting to pull people off a mislynch and it clears kel fairly nicely as well. | ||
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On January 22 2015 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Thats not a point 2. That doesnt make me scum at all?!? It was never meant as a discussion point 3. Thats not true. 4. I have no idea what you are smoking cause thats also not true 5. Clearly I think you are scum and the second part of that is a non point. 6. This is so general that you could apply it to half the people in the game, so clearly that doesnt make me scum either. Great case Damdred. .. There was some insane struggle to almost get HTS lynched, makes me think shes scum. Your right Oats, im playing like shit so might as well try to change it and do better. I give you point 1 and two do not make you scum. I do feel like you never explain your later scum suspects you list three and i'm never one of them at that point. I don't think its clear at all you think i'm scum from your filter or when you vote me you just say I need to die and leave the thrad its hard to see past the small omgus you could be having there. Perhaps this last point is true, but you are usually a lot more likely to say stuff that gets you in trouble or what not than most people. | ||
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so I'll just afk until I die or just sheep koshi or hf who knows but I'm not spending one moment more in this thread then I need to, you people can just so all the work | ||
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Kel you don't make sense, you like what I wrote but still put me in the scum team smh. | ||
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Why is wilie a Oats on your town list? Why is HF not on your town list? | ||
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On January 23 2015 00:17 batsnacks wrote: I'll condense too. I think wile e has responded really well to pressure this game it all seems genuine. And oats is half meta half tone. I've played with oats as town the last few games and he's doing more this game than he has in some of the others. Feels like town oats. I could see the second more than the first at this point I think, could you explain how wile has responded well to pressure or things that look towny? | ||
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And I don't agree with the wilie response he seems to be more taunting hf than anything... | ||
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On January 23 2015 00:51 KelsierSC wrote: I guess this question Is for dam,hts , koshi and hf. What did sl do to make you read him town? Once he moved from being under constant pressure he did some towny things, his thought progress read progress seemed ok to me. His filter wasn't that bad and the biggest thing against him is that he can't remember exactly what happened in a game 3-4 months ago where he couldn't remember he killed HF night one and thought hf was rayn? | ||
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Lian did act strange but thanks for taking a very early comment and not my later parts. That has true scum motivation behind it. Resistance to a lynch isn't about you resisting its about how the thread resists which makes you likely scum. on way to work | ||
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Lets see what hts gives us today and we go from there | ||
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HF kill is not surprising as he was the person who was pushing the most things at EoD, but I don't want to go to far down the rabbit hole but the kill could be made to frame hts who will probably be lynched anyway but I think we need to look elsewhere. Slam is being way to serious today, and in the game in general. I think he should be the lynch today just so we have more time for hts to actually do things and I really hate killing into the wifom nk. | ||
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Everyone is happy ark voting hts | ||
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But wilie is a good lynch today | ||
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Heres the deal I don't like the way that the lynch for HTS is going about, its going to happen no matter what people do or don't do (or what hts says or doesn't say). If HTS flips scum that's fine, I really doubt it now in the way that shes going about this basically marching to her death anything people ask her to do, she does any amount of reading or work. Theres still a bit of time for her to answer and give final reads so that's a good thing and I hope that she does, but she shouldn't be the lynch today because of the wifom of the kill and with the amount of votes that piled up unless you think the scum team is koshi, damdred, hts. Im not totally sold on Wile being scum. I just don't know if I have anyone I feel great about (besides not liking the hts lynch). Slam could be mafia lian brought up some good points I think and Slam has been super serious this game it feels like and would rather get lynched than FIGHT ME. | ||
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It reminds me of the kill on Koshi last game to frame vivax even though it didn't quite work that way and people here are jumping on it a lot more. | ||
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And that's a bit to omgus for me VA, while its an unlikely pairing I don't think its alignment indicative to think that. | ||
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obviously I missed a word, or phrase should be as scum after information | ||
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On January 25 2015 02:38 Koshi wrote: Damdred broski. I love you. It breaks my hearth to see you sad. But in this game of deception. Can I trust my hearth? So if you keep this up, I got to see you as Damned Red again. This made me laugh cause this was what you called me in storm 2 <3. | ||
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On January 25 2015 02:50 VayneAuthority wrote: I think you missed the point, a scum team consisting of me and alakaslam makes little sense. why the hell would we talk to eachother at night randomly and call eachother scum if we dont have to? its an asinine scumteam that is not in touch with the game Could say the same thing about a lot of scum teams that's proposed like HTS, Koshi, Damdred or HTS, Damdred X. I don't think a lot of scum teams proposed here have a really solid founding and I hate associative reads. But I do see your point here. I'm ok with people lynching HTS but I don't like the lynch or want to be on that lynch and the thread won't listen to me at this point anyway. | ||
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On January 25 2015 04:00 sicklucker wrote: Im always voting hts. But we gain no info from a landslide vote so I dont mind dandreds efforts here Why don't you talk to me SL, I know you want to kill vivax. Can you explain to me why you want to? | ||
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Moving on, Vivax is one of the scum this game I believe. Day one he was super active, but a lot of what he pursued did not help town really catch scum. Very early on he started analyzing things before there was anything really to analyze. He was looking like he was doing things without actually having need to do them, his reasoning was not sound and many attributed this to him being sick or it being to early. As time went on however, he continued down this track and instead of it helping town it caused a few fights and town to actually get off track and really cluttered up the thread so that things didn't have a steady progression. After this instead of pushing his own lynch, he laid back and sheeped Koshi onto lian and just went away. While its plausible he was sick and just didn't care this usually isn't town Vivax way of doing things. He will stay around and push a lynch that he wants. Then you look at his n1 and d2 and hes vanished with everything that he has done. Even on dead days (look at imperial mafia) he looks back and finds things to try to spark the thread back to life. He is not doing this here, most of his contributions were weird associative reads that were obviously incorrect. And he has several questionable reads such as koshi being scum even though Vivax sheeped him. For his fall off (which is a scum trait of his) cluttering up the thread without much real intent, and for the other reasons Vivax is scum and should be voted off. | ||
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On January 25 2015 04:13 KelsierSC wrote: Dam you keep talking like you know hts is town I don't know HTS is town, but I feel like that the nk incrimidates HTS especially with HF final words being lynch HTS. HTS goes into today with a noose around her neck and works her ass off even though people disagree with some things she said? That seems incredibly town favored and siding with town. Knows shes going to die but still works, yea feels town to me. Also Vivax isn't a policy lynch per se, its more of a he showed up to throw his two sense in after his name was mentioned and then vanished. His d2 play has been atrocious compared to his d1, which is 100% his scum game. He falls off the map faster than anyone after d1, look at Storm Mafia 2 he does the same thing activity wise. How he pushes things is incredibly different and hes acting really really different from imperial. He still has the tin foil hat theories at times but hes not really working or pushing them or really pushing people past a certain point like he was there. This guy is scum. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 24 2015 03:23 Half the Sky wrote: Back in thread. Koshi, continuing onto Wile's filter. First sign of trouble/scumlike behaviour - he's saying push Sicklucker (page 6 of filter) and then he suggests a list of people on a scum basis that does NOT include Sicklucker though he thinks it's debatable on him getting lynched. (Note that he says VA is policy, so everyone else he's scumreading) Now, from what I can see he's made no mention of myself/Lian/Oats/Damdred prior to page six of his filter. On page 7, HF pushes me, and then Wile says this: So Wile puts me on a scumlist and wants HF to explain why I'm mafia. I would expect this if Wile is scumreading HF, but from the quoted on page 6, he's not. HF wasn't in his scumlist. Post-lynch, it would have gone a long way to see VCA from him, but he didn't do this. This guy could very possibly be the scum on the D1 Sicklucker wagon if there is one. QUOTE]On January 25 2015 03:37 Half the Sky wrote: I realise Oats is likely asleep at this hour, shame he missed me when I left for Pilates... On January 23 2015 02:11 Half the Sky wrote: Regarding Oats, To be honest, I don't like Oats' defence here at all. Yes, #1 is a point because HF voted you on it, though he later moved elsewhere. On #6, whether it's general or not, it's still a scumlike trait. Just because everyone is doing it, as you suggest, doesn't mean that you are less scum. On #3, this is what I tried to point out with his throwing names around. Oats, you threw Bats' name out randomly. I questioned you on that. First time you ever brought up his name. You didn't respond. You threw his name on a list later on when Vivax asked you. You seemed to pick it up somewhat after your entrance, but when you threw Bats' name out like that, that's why I scumread you. On January 24 2015 05:11 Half the Sky wrote: I'm out for date night. Brutal week at work calls for wine, chocolate fondue and the like. Huzzah! So far, Damdred is looking mostly okay through D1 lynch, though I find his VCA confusing, and I'm going to look into that further when I return. I'm also trying to sort out where his read of Lian changed before he started pushing Slam and Oats, because I thought he was scumreading Lian (and I'd scumread him for that prior to pushing Slam and Oats). Damdred is showing a bit of apathy in this game. However, I am cohosting the other game he is in. He is showing some apathy in that game too. I am assuming maybe he's just bored in general, so I am considering this attitude for now, NAI. JAT is looking bad to me as it stands, disregarding meta of course as I've never played with him. If another veteran can elaborate on how a mafia JAT plays, I'd appreciate it. And of course, I need to take yet another look at Sicklucker... On January 23 2015 23:54 Half the Sky wrote: I'm here. I would love to be posting a bit more in the mornings EU time, but work this week has been batshit insane. That said, seeing as Holyflare is dead, flipped VT, it looks like I need to reassess what is happening in this game. I'm starting to feel that at least 1, MAYBE 2 mafia are sitting back and letting us sort each other out to our detriment. I say this based on precedence. In Student Mafia IV, Meat was the lurker. In Carol, it was Oats. In Newbie LX, Gumdrop did jack all and was eventually replaced. Holyflare's death gives credence that there's one lurker in this bunch this game. Someone is just content to sit it out whilst we're all trying to sort it out. Certainly not the entire team, but definitely one. I realise I've been criticised looking at lurkers but now thinking more, some of this does need examined more closely. I see Slam's been brought up by a few. Though I had tried to avoid reading Slam before as he's been hard to read, Koshi has since brought this up on reading Slam: I saw the exchange where Koshi did push him after he voted. After that exchange I run into this. Which lends some credence to the sitting back theory. As of late three more posts in the thread, but no thoughts. (Sidenote: Koshi, if you are here, or someone, could you please explain to me what Chupazi is? Is this significant, or him mentioning Chupazi significant, to reading him?) VayneAuthority - Did not want to scumread him based on D1 meta. Wasted his vote. Now we're in D2 and he is scumreading Slam and Bats, but no idea why he's doing so. Now I see that he's sheeped the vote on me. Blending in? If you feel so strong on Bats, where is that case on Bats? Speaking of Bats, he'd fall into the lurker category as well, however, I think he's a longshot to be scum based on his pushing SL. I don't know his scum meta either. Oatsmaster, again, is the one I'm feeling most strongly on. Not as lurkish/inactive as the others Vivax and I had called him out on separate points, which he has yet to answer to. I think he accused Vivax of misreading, but I cannot see where this was resolved. In my case, he was throwing out names, and again, his defence to Damdred's case was poor. I will discuss the more active folks in a separate post. | ||
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Doesn't really matter about how many posts doesn't feel like town jat really trying to solve the game. | ||
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Kochi has a good point. | ||
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Sl what do you think of vaynes post | ||
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Hts would hammer town Sl there to survive another day IDK why you don't see this | ||
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I read wile filter and I was actually wrong and was misrepresenting his push on SL a bit, for that I apologize. In that regard the point on him that he tried to sabotage the HTS lynch is wrong because he was trying to push what he seemed to think was a superior lynch over a weaker lynch and that is not alignment indicative at that point in the game, and he directly fought against shenanigans off of HTS which mafia would possibly consider (wifom bomb there because they didn't and what not). Its not as bad as I remembered his filter being, so i'd rather not lync him today. | ||
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And then he pushes Bats? It just feels like someone trying to find a lynch that could get traction, its really weird and feels scummy to me | ||
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Vivax push feels somewhat like what he did storm and i'm not sure if he dropped everything in storm like he did here i'd need to reread day one in depth there before I talk more about that. If you look at imperial however even if vivax changed something in his theory or pushed something different he would always come back to what HE thought and what HE wanted to do. This pushing and sheeping someone elses things is just really weird to me and feels scummy. | ||
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Bats tell me your thought process behind vivax. | ||
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On January 26 2015 23:52 KelsierSC wrote: Who is your mafia number 2 If this is to e i'm not sure right now. I thought it was Wile but rereading his filter made me realize my reason for scum reading him was off and a lot of it had to do with him being an asshole at the time. | ||
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idk why me thinking Hts is town at points is against me, people misread people flip flop on them all the time. I misrepresented wile so idk where I am on second scum. | ||
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Signups: 2. Geript Alakaslam 4. batsnacks 6. Vivax 8. VayneAuthority 9. Wile E. Coyote 10. Oatsmaster 11. sicklucker 13. KelsierSC I have basically four people that I need to find one scum in. Which I am putting off for today, I think I don't want to consider slam because how he would rather get lynched today and as scum no matter what Slam is a tryhard totally. So that leaves one scum in Batsnacks, Wile, Oatsmaster. I don't think that Wile fits the bill that much in a vivax and hts team, he could but its highly unlikely so that leaves me with a bats and Oats. Im not sure out of those two which one I would go towards I would rather figure that out during the night and go from there. I'll look at votes again to see what they were doing obviously. As for Vivax, heres what I think about him and why we should lynch him. Look at how he started the game off, it was a bit crazier than what he would normally do it felt to me. He lacked a real focus and really started his analyzing off way to early instead of interacting with what was going on in the thread he would rather look at the first 5-6 pages and do that than interact with his actual reads that were there? that feels off to me later in the game when you have more information its good but that earlier it doesn't make sense and Vivax would know that so hes doing things to look like hes contributing rather than actually having a real impact on the thread. HTS had some interesting interactions about Vivax also he seemed to be lightly calling him scum at first but then completely dropped it out of the blue basically. It feels really strange and like a bus attempt when you read it or to give vivax credibility as the game goes along that a scum wanted him out. Its a really weird push and its really bare with nothing to show for it. I think its a likely partner trying to give the other cred for a flip. Vivax sheeps Koshi for no reason really, and is just happy to afk his vote. While its possible that hes just sick and not thinking straight he was sick last game as well I believed and wasn't happy just sheeping he was happy pushing what he thought and getting on the person who was the best lynch. Koshi had basically said that lian was just a policy and vivax just sheeped away and hammered lian at that point. On his return he called the person he sheeped scum and didn't do much else besides some weird associative theory that led to no where. On Koshis death, Koshi had said vivax is possible scum and Vivax comes into the thread and sheeps Koshis top scum reads totally without any thought himself and after disappearing for most of the day not even seemily paying attention to the thread. This isn't town Vivax this is scum vivax looking for somewhere to put his vote, he doesn't even read everything koshi wrote (since koshi called him scum to). If you look in Vivax scum games (Storm mafia 2) his activity after day one drops a huge amount compared to his town games (look in imperial, titanic, carol) he stays the same or gets stronger as the day goes along. Here it plays just like his scum game he goes from a relatively high activity to almost no activity except when a lynch is being somewhat discussed or he is being talked about and he appears like a genie at that point and then disappears. His scum pushes today really don't line up with the rest of the game but seem to be pushing towards just a mislynch at this point. And to answer your question Kel its hard to describe what I don't like about the push, on the surface its fine but when you compare it to the rest of his game and the push he made in his town games it doesn't look ro feel the same to me it looks like his scum game that he is just trying to help amislynch through. | ||
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Wile and Bats could be scum but you have to convince the rest of the people. | ||
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I'd rather people be motivated to play and actually play rather than give up like this that last sentence was directed at vivax beliefs rather than my own. | ||
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Also its kinda towny that Vivax won't vote me to survive, which is a kinda meh reason but its what it is.... | ||
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That post would be dumb for scum to make, and vivax won't vote to save himself so that's towny points. Maybe I am wrong on him i'm not sure. | ||
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Vivax might be town here, his not wanting to lynch me is really towny and his angry post is believable Wile is town, kel town. Va town. Lynch into bats, oats, slam | ||
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Vivax looked ok in some responses I'm sorry | ||
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On February 03 2015 08:27 sicklucker wrote: If you really think this im glad. I won without any effort Im gonna go nuts on you in the future! JAT legit carried you from d2 to end game, he pushed all of the lynches through or showed enough wariness on town lynches to get some cred from it. You played a decent scum game but it wasn't earth shattering *shrug* | ||
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On February 03 2015 09:26 justanothertownie wrote: Damdred how I react to people scumreading me depends on the way they do it/the reasons they give/who does it and my mood. I don't know if you can read me this way but you can try I guess. Nah I don't think it would overall justify a scum read on you, but it is the way that you pushed against a shenanigans lynch that hf brought up I know I harped on it a bit and rescinded. It was just weird especially later knowing who you were that you don't mind shenanigans and don't super oppose it like you were doing there and picking a bit of a fight in my eyes. | ||
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On February 03 2015 09:39 justanothertownie wrote: Thanks, but I somewhat disagree. I think this was clearly my worst scumgame so far. Town just played really badly and made it easy for me. I do agree if you compare it to heavy weight or p2p that it is weaker but you still played really well and you influenced town to play poorly in that regard as well | ||
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On February 03 2015 09:40 KelsierSC wrote: i'm just going to avoid all future postgames No don't do that Kel. Overall you playing pretty well I just think that you gave into the tunnel and you weren't really willing to reconsider up to a point. I think that was your biggest flaw and read way to much into activity, but town wasn't helping you | ||
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But town just made it exceptionally hard, when the only people who are really pushing is mafia JAT theres a bigger problem in the thread. Koshi said a lot of good things but nobody was really taking them and checking them in filters or trying to push them. I said a couple of ok things, a lot of town just didn't give a damn and its not your fault kel. You tried yoru best and need to balance paranoia and trusting I think. | ||
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