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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 19 2015 21:40 GMT
#141
The games like 2 hours old. I obviously have no real scum target. Why not use my vote as a weapon for information?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 19 2015 21:42 GMT
#142
On January 20 2015 06:38 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
On January 20 2015 06:26 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2015 06:23 Holyflare wrote:
On January 20 2015 06:22 sicklucker wrote:
ohhh I knew I recognized va.

Hts its so no secret that marv doesint want to play scum. His last 3 games all mafia. In the first two he gave up on day 1. His most recent one being a 600 page marathon. After that game is over theres no way hes gonna try if he rolled mafia again. So thats why we all vote marv and see what happens.


you know what's better than not voting marv and seeing what happens? voting other people and seeing what happens and getting rid of free marv later!

Why shouldn't we get rid of free marv today?


Later today obviously. It's not very good pushing a lynch for a guy that's going to do nothing if he's just going to be obvious and do nothing is it?

So instead of the guy that may be here lurking we should pressure the guy that went to sleep? That is your great plan, yes?


Not only are you being absolutely useless posting like this but there is absolutely no negative to try and get people to take stances on someone that isn't here. Yes, marv is afk, yes he would be dejected if he rolled mafia again. That's the most obvious thing I've ever seen in this game and serves no purpose to talk about at all. If he's mafia his team will bus him and everyone's votes will have no effect. I'm making a post on oats - yes who is afk - I don't even care about oats to be honest, I care about people's responses. The game had 2 pages of content until I got here and started throwing up crap for people to talk about.

Please don't be useless, it's quite obvious we shouldn't waste 48 hours talking about the same topic of if someone is going to play or isn't going to play before he's even posted 3 posts.
Wile E. Coyote
Profile Joined January 2014
Mexico790 Posts
January 19 2015 21:45 GMT
#143
On January 20 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 06:38 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2015 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
On January 20 2015 06:26 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2015 06:23 Holyflare wrote:
On January 20 2015 06:22 sicklucker wrote:
ohhh I knew I recognized va.

Hts its so no secret that marv doesint want to play scum. His last 3 games all mafia. In the first two he gave up on day 1. His most recent one being a 600 page marathon. After that game is over theres no way hes gonna try if he rolled mafia again. So thats why we all vote marv and see what happens.


you know what's better than not voting marv and seeing what happens? voting other people and seeing what happens and getting rid of free marv later!

Why shouldn't we get rid of free marv today?


Later today obviously. It's not very good pushing a lynch for a guy that's going to do nothing if he's just going to be obvious and do nothing is it?

So instead of the guy that may be here lurking we should pressure the guy that went to sleep? That is your great plan, yes?


Not only are you being absolutely useless posting like this but there is absolutely no negative to try and get people to take stances on someone that isn't here. Yes, marv is afk, yes he would be dejected if he rolled mafia again. That's the most obvious thing I've ever seen in this game and serves no purpose to talk about at all. If he's mafia his team will bus him and everyone's votes will have no effect. I'm making a post on oats - yes who is afk - I don't even care about oats to be honest, I care about people's responses. The game had 2 pages of content until I got here and started throwing up crap for people to talk about.

Please don't be useless, it's quite obvious we shouldn't waste 48 hours talking about the same topic of if someone is going to play or isn't going to play before he's even posted 3 posts.

Jesus christ. So defensive.
I am a smurf for TL Mafia! ¡Comé el roadrunner!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 19 2015 21:46 GMT
#144
then get out of my way and play the game
Wile E. Coyote
Profile Joined January 2014
Mexico790 Posts
January 19 2015 21:48 GMT
#145
Sir yes sir. What do you want me to do, sir?
I am a smurf for TL Mafia! ¡Comé el roadrunner!
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
January 19 2015 21:53 GMT
#146
On January 20 2015 06:36 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 05:15 Damdred wrote:
I forgot about the vote thread and throwing down my vote. And its hard to vote on my phone.

HF makes me happy with that oats post.

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 06:33 batsnacks wrote:
On January 20 2015 06:21 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 20 2015 06:18 batsnacks wrote:
On January 20 2015 06:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I also think the opening between Vivax and Damdred was pretty awkward

"lets vote on marv"

yeh "lets vote on marv trololol"

"why do you think im voting on marv"

"here is why you are voting on marv"

"hey what a great reason for why i'm voting on marv"

I also don't like that damdred twice aleady you seem happy to town read marv as soon as he starts doing anything.

On January 20 2015 02:13 Damdred wrote:
I really don't think that Marv cba as mafia three games in a row especially last game.

Part of the reason I see you doing this is to vet his alignment and see if he comes in marv!town. If he doesn't and cba we get a mafia if he does we at least have lowered the lynch pool.

And lynching marv is fun



On January 20 2015 02:18 Damdred wrote:
On January 20 2015 02:14 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2015 02:13 Damdred wrote:
And lynching marv is fun

Do you have experience in the field?


Some, if hes town he yells lots



This isn't a very genuine post.

You paraphrased their early convo pretty poorly ("trololol" really?). And saying damdred is happy to townread marv as soon as marv starts doing anything is kind of reaching. That's not the impression I got when I was reading damdred's posts.

@damdred who's early vote was better vivax, yours, or hf?


yeh well I didn't feel the need to quote the whole thing but that was the impression of the conversation I got.

I think this is dam implying he is trolling, I think he mentions

On January 20 2015 02:04 Damdred wrote:
Maybe we can lynching Marv is fun its true



On January 20 2015 02:13 Damdred wrote:
I really don't think that Marv cba as mafia three games in a row especially last game.

Part of the reason I see you doing this is to vet his alignment and see if he comes in marv!town. If he doesn't and cba we get a mafia if he does we at least have lowered the lynch pool.

And lynching marv is fun




Well maybe you're right... he never even voted marv he voted oats.



Oh yeah I forgot about that.

Damdred isn't trolling and KSC is misrepresenting him.

##vote: KSC
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 19 2015 21:54 GMT
#147
On January 20 2015 06:37 KelsierSC wrote:
Did you think what Dam said was good?


What he said in opening made sense, but I'm more curious to know why he commented on vetting Marv's alignment and just a minute later, Marv is in thread to comment on Artanis' story, but Dam doesn't appear to push him on it even though he talks on the story.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 19 2015 21:55 GMT
#148
On January 20 2015 06:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Sir yes sir. What do you want me to do, sir?


comment on something or give your own ideas? I've not seen you do anything but agree with kelsier about a damdred point that doesn't particularly make sense and then leave it alone and needlessly pick out me wanting to explore other avenues

have you played with any of va/oats/marv/damd before? You agreed with kelsiers point on damd but do you think that it's scummy to phrase it like that? If kelsier is now saying what damdred said was actually a joke then why does it count as a point against him at all?

If damd's intentions were quite clearly to vote for marv here:

On January 20 2015 05:15 Damdred wrote:
I forgot about the vote thread and throwing down my vote. And its hard to vote on my phone.

HF makes me happy with that oats post.



then why is it a joke? or do you not think it was a joke and you are just agreeing with the first point that damd is setting himself up to town read marv?
Wile E. Coyote
Profile Joined January 2014
Mexico790 Posts
January 19 2015 22:01 GMT
#149
On January 20 2015 06:55 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 06:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Sir yes sir. What do you want me to do, sir?


comment on something or give your own ideas? I've not seen you do anything but agree with kelsier about a damdred point that doesn't particularly make sense and then leave it alone and needlessly pick out me wanting to explore other avenues

have you played with any of va/oats/marv/damd before? You agreed with kelsiers point on damd but do you think that it's scummy to phrase it like that? If kelsier is now saying what damdred said was actually a joke then why does it count as a point against him at all?

If damd's intentions were quite clearly to vote for marv here:

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 05:15 Damdred wrote:
I forgot about the vote thread and throwing down my vote. And its hard to vote on my phone.

HF makes me happy with that oats post.



then why is it a joke? or do you not think it was a joke and you are just agreeing with the first point that damd is setting himself up to town read marv?

What about the damdred point I agreed with does not make sense? Don't you think that it is surprising how he says nothing about oats when it happens but is eager to jump on it when someone else mentions it later?
Yes, I played with those players before.
I am a smurf for TL Mafia! ¡Comé el roadrunner!
Wile E. Coyote
Profile Joined January 2014
Mexico790 Posts
January 19 2015 22:05 GMT
#150
Or at least with most of them.
I am a smurf for TL Mafia! ¡Comé el roadrunner!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 19 2015 22:09 GMT
#151
On January 20 2015 07:01 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 06:55 Holyflare wrote:
On January 20 2015 06:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Sir yes sir. What do you want me to do, sir?


comment on something or give your own ideas? I've not seen you do anything but agree with kelsier about a damdred point that doesn't particularly make sense and then leave it alone and needlessly pick out me wanting to explore other avenues

have you played with any of va/oats/marv/damd before? You agreed with kelsiers point on damd but do you think that it's scummy to phrase it like that? If kelsier is now saying what damdred said was actually a joke then why does it count as a point against him at all?

If damd's intentions were quite clearly to vote for marv here:

On January 20 2015 05:15 Damdred wrote:
I forgot about the vote thread and throwing down my vote. And its hard to vote on my phone.

HF makes me happy with that oats post.



then why is it a joke? or do you not think it was a joke and you are just agreeing with the first point that damd is setting himself up to town read marv?

What about the damdred point I agreed with does not make sense? Don't you think that it is surprising how he says nothing about oats when it happens but is eager to jump on it when someone else mentions it later?
Yes, I played with those players before.


I'm not saying it doesn't make sense, I just want you to expand on your reasoning. I don't know what damd was doing or how it transpired because from the looks of it he was reading the story and just posted and missed the one tiny post from oats. Although this shows more the lack of caring about what others have posted more than anything else which I agree is bad, I wanted him to comment on things and answer for himself before I posted my own thoughts on it.

On January 20 2015 06:13 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Sounds to me like KelsierSC's point is that damdred sets himself up to townread Marv as soon as he starts yelling/being loud.


I was also referring to this point, I wanted to know if you agreed further with kelsiers assumptions that damdred was actually joking about his marv vote and was setting himself up to town read marv or not. From what it looks like you think damd wasn't serious about his reasoning (for the record I have no problem with his reasoning of if marv does nothing he's likely mafia) and I can't tell why.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 19 2015 22:11 GMT
#152
I mean you're voting for marv here:

On January 20 2015 02:10 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
##Vote Marvellosity


which means you're on board with his wagon of pressure of if he does nothing he's mafia but then are critical of damdred for wanting to vote marv for the same reasons. It's pretty weird.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 19 2015 22:11 GMT
#153
On January 20 2015 06:14 Half the Sky wrote:
Greetings everyone!

Reading through, I've not played a game with Marv so I'm not familiar as to how he plays as scum. I find it interesting though that when the pressure votes are on, he posts a few things on Artanis' story. (Why?)

HF, on VA, I agree with you as to why he is looking bad. However, last game with Vayne, I voted him for being completely useless not helping us solve the game and Batsnacks told me that his D1 meta is basically dicking around and not caring. He was lynched and flipped town.

I'm just dying to know why this is interesting, twinkletoes
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
January 19 2015 22:13 GMT
#154
Did you like the story marv?
Wile E. Coyote
Profile Joined January 2014
Mexico790 Posts
January 19 2015 22:14 GMT
#155
On January 20 2015 07:11 Holyflare wrote:
I mean you're voting for marv here:

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 02:10 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
##Vote Marvellosity


which means you're on board with his wagon of pressure of if he does nothing he's mafia but then are critical of damdred for wanting to vote marv for the same reasons. It's pretty weird.

Please quote the post where I criticized Damdred for voting marv. I am pretty sure I never did such a thing.
I am a smurf for TL Mafia! ¡Comé el roadrunner!
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 19 2015 22:16 GMT
#156
What do people think of Vivax?

I don't like his reason for suggesting to vote Lian esp when Lian posted well before the game started (and Artanis said he couldn't post anything but popcorn).
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 19 2015 22:18 GMT
#157
Marv, my expectation is that you would have responded to Damdred/Vivax and the pressure votes, one way or another.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 19 2015 22:20 GMT
#158
Ok, so what do you make of it? Or is it just "interesting" in a vacuum...
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 19 2015 22:24 GMT
#159
On January 20 2015 02:10 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
##Vote Marvellosity


On January 20 2015 02:15 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 02:13 Damdred wrote:
I really don't think that Marv cba as mafia three games in a row especially last game.

Part of the reason I see you doing this is to vet his alignment and see if he comes in marv!town. If he doesn't and cba we get a mafia if he does we at least have lowered the lynch pool.

And lynching marv is fun


I like this reason.

Wyle isn't up to date with recent events so he probably thinks we're just doing this for trolling.
But just keep piling up the votes in my absence and see what happens.


You join vivax's train onto marv. Damdred gives his reasons to be on it which vivax agrees with. You maintain your vote on marv. You know their wagon is to pressure marv too see if he does anything and if he does he's probably not mafia - or at least might not be. You know this because you are reading the game and commented on their follow up posts. Yet, later you continue to go onto damdred points with things like:

On January 20 2015 06:13 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Sounds to me like KelsierSC's point is that damdred sets himself up to townread Marv as soon as he starts yelling/being loud.


you add to kelsier point, you don't particularly weigh in but this comment looks like an agreement/criticism. Yet, we're still on you voting for marv despite you seemingly agreeing with kelsier about damd. It's weird that you stay on the marv wagon and even point out the damdred thing but still stay on the wagon which was made specifically for the reason damd pointed out
Wile E. Coyote
Profile Joined January 2014
Mexico790 Posts
January 19 2015 22:27 GMT
#160
On January 20 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 02:10 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
##Vote Marvellosity


Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 02:15 Vivax wrote:
On January 20 2015 02:13 Damdred wrote:
I really don't think that Marv cba as mafia three games in a row especially last game.

Part of the reason I see you doing this is to vet his alignment and see if he comes in marv!town. If he doesn't and cba we get a mafia if he does we at least have lowered the lynch pool.

And lynching marv is fun


I like this reason.

Wyle isn't up to date with recent events so he probably thinks we're just doing this for trolling.
But just keep piling up the votes in my absence and see what happens.


You join vivax's train onto marv. Damdred gives his reasons to be on it which vivax agrees with. You maintain your vote on marv. You know their wagon is to pressure marv too see if he does anything and if he does he's probably not mafia - or at least might not be. You know this because you are reading the game and commented on their follow up posts. Yet, later you continue to go onto damdred points with things like:

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 06:13 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Sounds to me like KelsierSC's point is that damdred sets himself up to townread Marv as soon as he starts yelling/being loud.


you add to kelsier point, you don't particularly weigh in but this comment looks like an agreement/criticism. Yet, we're still on you voting for marv despite you seemingly agreeing with kelsier about damd. It's weird that you stay on the marv wagon and even point out the damdred thing but still stay on the wagon which was made specifically for the reason damd pointed out

Did my vote on Marvellosity seem very serious to you? Maybe you should have added this post to your little collection:
On January 20 2015 02:13 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 02:11 Vivax wrote:
Time for some looking around all of this: Why do you think I'm trying to start t´his wagon?

@ wyle and Damdred

I don't really care all that much.


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