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Half the Sky
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Germany9029 Posts
January 22 2015 18:45 GMT
#1826
On January 23 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote:
Got date night with me fiancee tonight. She said yes after 4 years.

Might be around for nk dont know


Congrats Kels!
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 22 2015 18:47 GMT
#1831
On January 23 2015 03:45 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Va voted for slam. Not SL.


It's still a wasted vote. My contention with him in general is he's one of those "fuck D1 players" and him hiding behind his meta...we're obviously past D1, and he comes out throwing Bats' name out there with no reason.

My only game with VA was where he was lynched D1, thus I was hesitant to do it again. If anyone here has experience with VA AFTER D1, please elaborate on whether he picks his game up. Because as of now he has not.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 22 2015 18:50 GMT
#1833
On January 23 2015 03:45 sicklucker wrote:
Htf your still scum reading me right?


Yes, leaning scum.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 22 2015 18:51 GMT
#1836
Wile, you could be defending me as either mafia or town. Anyone could.

Also posted my thoughts on SL earlier, esp in response to Kelsier.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 22 2015 18:52 GMT
#1839
On January 23 2015 03:51 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Then why on earth aren't you hardcore townreading me and bats?


Voting is PART of my analysis. I am also taking other actions into account. Like I said, I thought Bats' vote on KSC earlier was 50/50.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 22 2015 18:55 GMT
#1842
On January 23 2015 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
oh wait you're scum reading sl??


On January 23 2015 02:40 Half the Sky wrote:
To clarify for Kels, the early gameplay is still leaning in my head. I said before he can post erratically as any alignment, which is why I'm not townreading him.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 22 2015 18:59 GMT
#1845
On January 23 2015 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
I think it's pretty egregious that you even compare me returning at eod in carol where I was mafia and BEING LYNCHED to returning here when I wasn't being lynched, already explained why I was afk and a towny was being voted. The alternate being your TOWN READ SL. So apparently you're saying that me returning at deadline is mafiaish because I wanted to push the wagon off of a confirmed town and your town read onto you? When I already said i was demotivated which you have thrown out the window despite accepting everyone elses afk reason claims (but conveniently not mine)?????

Does not compute.


Holyflare, what you did to me in Carol was opportunistic, and it's the same thing here. That is what I was driving at.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 22 2015 19:15 GMT
#1854
Oats, you, Damdred, SL

Oats throwing scumreads without explanation and his defence to Damdred was poor.

You, obviously because of how you didn't care and you just came in EoD and did your thing.

Damdred called me scum for resisting the lynch. That shouldn't be alignment indicative since anyone should want to try and save themselves, although I don't understand how he didn't consolidate onto Lian. He seemed apathetic but I couldn't get anything conclusive from that.

SL I explained I didnt' like him earlier. Erratic yes, but that doesn't mean I was completely lost on the guy's filter. I explained on the voting thing that one of us on the Lian wagon had to be scum. His switch to Lian was to save himself, but he did express a desire to hammer me.

Damdred is a weaker read and there's still a very real possibility #3 could be VA, but can't really conclude yet.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 23 2015 14:54 GMT
#2046
I'm here. I would love to be posting a bit more in the mornings EU time, but work this week has been batshit insane.

That said, seeing as Holyflare is dead, flipped VT, it looks like I need to reassess what is happening in this game.

I'm starting to feel that at least 1, MAYBE 2 mafia are sitting back and letting us sort each other out to our detriment. I say this based on precedence.

In Student Mafia IV, Meat was the lurker. In Carol, it was Oats. In Newbie LX, Gumdrop did jack all and was eventually replaced.

Holyflare's death gives credence that there's one lurker in this bunch this game. Someone is just content to sit it out whilst we're all trying to sort it out. Certainly not the entire team, but definitely one.

I realise I've been criticised looking at lurkers but now thinking more, some of this does need examined more closely.

I see Slam's been brought up by a few. Though I had tried to avoid reading Slam before as he's been hard to read, Koshi has since brought this up on reading Slam:

On January 21 2015 19:17 Koshi wrote:
Chupazi reading goes like this:
1) Does he makes himself readable. If No, ignore the Chupazi. If yes, go to step 2.
2) Does his filter make him confirmed town because it is filled with happy eagerness. If yes, ignore the Chupazi. If No, go to step 3.
3) Does the Chupazi want to die when pressured to advance town forward. If yes, ignore the Chupazi. If No, FUCKING CONSIDER THE CHUPAZI TO BE SCUM.


So I consider the Chupazi to be scum. The Chupazi got thread sentiment going in his favor. It's odd. But maybe he is town. Who knows. Just don't tell me he can't be lynched D1 because you are wrong.


I saw the exchange where Koshi did push him after he voted. After that exchange I run into this.

On January 21 2015 14:19 Alakaslam wrote:
I mean I will be able to help with PoE but ultimately I am not the best one to be pushing a lynch hey


Which lends some credence to the sitting back theory. As of late three more posts in the thread, but no thoughts.

(Sidenote: Koshi, if you are here, or someone, could you please explain to me what Chupazi is? Is this significant, or him mentioning Chupazi significant, to reading him?)

VayneAuthority - Did not want to scumread him based on D1 meta. Wasted his vote. Now we're in D2 and he is scumreading Slam and Bats, but no idea why he's doing so.

Now I see that he's sheeped the vote on me. Blending in?

On January 23 2015 09:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
slam/bats/dunno yet. I shall write something on bats later tonight, slam does not require any thought as its useless. just know that its important to lynch him and its likely hes scum.


If you feel so strong on Bats, where is that case on Bats?

Speaking of Bats, he'd fall into the lurker category as well, however, I think he's a longshot to be scum based on his pushing SL. I don't know his scum meta either.

Oatsmaster, again, is the one I'm feeling most strongly on. Not as lurkish/inactive as the others

Vivax and I had called him out on separate points, which he has yet to answer to. I think he accused Vivax of misreading, but I cannot see where this was resolved.

In my case, he was throwing out names, and again, his defence to Damdred's case was poor.

On January 23 2015 02:11 Half the Sky wrote:
Regarding Oats,

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
On January 22 2015 06:16 Damdred wrote:
we are lynching Oats today, I will put this in bullet points so that people can follow along

* Oats starts the game off by saying something is bad without any explanation and leaving the game.
* He comes back and defends his view which some agree with and some don't and never draws conclusions from this
* He never explains why he wants to lynch anyone or why he scum reads people
* During fights or arguments he adds fuel to the fire in SLs case he makes it very clear that he thinks SL is lying and heaps more pressure on him.
* Is not voting a scum read but came back said a case on him was bad put his vote down on the person who made the case said it was bad and left without explanation
* is not being controversial but more side lines and flying under the radar, is not scum hunting

Oats is scum vote for him.

1. Thats not a point
2. That doesnt make me scum at all?!? It was never meant as a discussion point
3. Thats not true.
4. I have no idea what you are smoking cause thats also not true
5. Clearly I think you are scum and the second part of that is a non point.
6. This is so general that you could apply it to half the people in the game, so clearly that doesnt make me scum either.


To be honest, I don't like Oats' defence here at all. Yes, #1 is a point because HF voted you on it, though he later moved elsewhere.
On #6, whether it's general or not, it's still a scumlike trait. Just because everyone is doing it, as you suggest, doesn't mean that you are less scum.

On #3, this is what I tried to point out with his throwing names around.

Oats, you threw Bats' name out randomly.

Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 09:36 Half the Sky wrote:
On January 21 2015 09:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey lets lynch bats.


First time I think you've mentioned him. Why?


I questioned you on that. First time you ever brought up his name. You didn't respond. You threw his name on a list later on when Vivax asked you. You seemed to pick it up somewhat after your entrance, but when you threw Bats' name out like that, that's why I scumread you.



I will discuss the more active folks in a separate post.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 23 2015 14:55 GMT
#2048
EBWOP - I know it's buried in there, but for Koshi or another veteran, please explain...

(Sidenote: Koshi, if you are here, or someone, could you please explain to me what Chupazi is? Is this significant, or him mentioning Chupazi significant, to reading him?)
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 23 2015 14:56 GMT
#2049
On January 23 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote:
Chupazis are vultures that vomit.


So this has nothing to do with his gameplay or someone he's trying to emulate?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 23 2015 14:58 GMT
#2051
I'll take that as a no, unless someone says otherwise. Moving on.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 23 2015 14:58 GMT
#2052
On January 23 2015 23:57 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2015 23:56 Half the Sky wrote:
On January 23 2015 23:55 Koshi wrote:
Chupazis are vultures that vomit.


So this has nothing to do with his gameplay or someone he's trying to emulate?

Slam posts in the way of the Chupazi.


"in the way of the Chupazi".....so in spurts then, I take it. Alright. Cheers for the clarification.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 23 2015 15:12 GMT
#2055
Also since I didn't explicitly say it in the above, I would definitely say at this point leaning scum on both Slam and VA based on the points presented. Leaning town on Bats. Scum on Oats.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 23 2015 15:45 GMT
#2061
Which is why I'm exploring everyone individually first. If had to rank the three lurkers from most to least likely, I'd say Oats first because I felt there were scumlike tendencies, followed by VA (lack of followup, sheeping the vote) and then Slam.

I don't want to make associative reads, since I'm not a fan of that, although vote analysis could help with that to some extent.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 23 2015 15:47 GMT
#2063
EBWOP - Vote analysis could help connect some people.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 23 2015 15:47 GMT
#2064
Yes Koshi, I am looking into him. I had a hard time with him initially because he was throwing a lot of stuff at everyone everywhere. Hang tight...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 23 2015 16:00 GMT
#2076
On January 24 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2015 00:47 Half the Sky wrote:
Yes Koshi, I am looking into him. I had a hard time with him initially because he was throwing a lot of stuff at everyone everywhere. Hang tight...


Is vivax mafia?


The one point that sticks out at me as scumlike is him sheeping Koshi's vote on Liancourt. And then if I recall correctly he turns around and accuses Koshi of being scum in his VCA. I found this odd. This is off-the-cuff and I need to look further into why he did that.

On January 23 2015 08:20 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 08:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Final Vote Count
sicklucker (3): liancourt, Holyflare, marvellosity, batsnacks, Half the Sky, Vivax, marvellosity, Wile E. Coyote
Liancourt (4): Koshi, sicklucker, Half the Sky, Vivax, sicklucker
Oatsmaster (1): Holyflare, Damdred, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): marvellosity marvellosity, Oatsmaster
Alakaslam (1): Koshi, VayneAuthority
Half the Sky (2): marvellosity, sicklucker, KelsierSC, sicklucker, Holyflare
Marvellosity (0): Vivax, Wile E. Coyote, sicklucker
KelsierSC (0): batsnacks
Damdred (1): Holyflare, Oatsmaster

Not voted (1): Alakaslam
liancourt was pulled into the void.
The Void's pull is growing stronger. remains.



VA in cursive font cause he's an idiot, but probably a town idiot.

Don't mind me on the liancourt wagon as I'm a sick guy who was on prescribed drugs and got fooled by sheeping Koshi.

People on SL are town heroes. People on HTS are town heroes.

Oats probably just the usual dumb town Oats are this point, might have to check later.

Now, we need to figure out what all those marv votes mean. Cause they mean he was bussing on two instances (SL and HTS) before replacing out.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 23 2015 16:01 GMT
#2077
In any case, Bats, he needs some further digging into.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 23 2015 16:03 GMT
#2079
Also looking at Vivax's VCA, I'd like to know why he thinks three scum are on the same wagon on a D1 vote. That REALLY makes zero sense.
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