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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
January 20 2015 11:37 GMT
#361
HTS,Vayne, Lian, Kelsier, Oats, SL, Coyote and Alakaslam (?) Probably all town.

Read my analyses, my exchanges, my conclusions, and look at how Damdred Marv and HF will try to deal with the pressure, and if we lynch one of them today, we win the game.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 20 2015 11:37 GMT
#362
also if you have dam as scum, why does it make HF scummy if dam sheeps him?
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 20 2015 11:40 GMT
#363
On January 20 2015 20:37 Vivax wrote:
HTS,Vayne, Lian, Kelsier, Oats, SL, Coyote and Alakaslam (?) Probably all town.

Read my analyses, my exchanges, my conclusions, and look at how Damdred Marv and HF will try to deal with the pressure, and if we lynch one of them today, we win the game.


I think you're going way to deep too early. You need to look at your analysis and see if it makes sense. Take out that Marv didn't actually scumread HTS it was a mistake. Think about if dam and hf are mafia does dam just sheep hf immediately d1?

Are all those people town because you think you have the scum team figured out?

Zerg for Life
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
January 20 2015 11:47 GMT
#364
Here's the quote from HF where he scumreads marv


Why are they hilarious? Are you saying that oats didn't do exactly what he was doing in carol? Why is voting marv bad when he's done absolutely nothing and is probably mafia?


Will have to reevaluate later if KElsier is scum instead of HF cause right now he's trying to work against me a lot.

On January 20 2015 20:37 KelsierSC wrote:
also if you have dam as scum, why does it make HF scummy if dam sheeps him?


Cause HF gave marv a reason to to vote HTS (while HF was scumreading marv), while Dam immediately took the opportunity to sheep HF to get off of marv.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 11:48 GMT
#365
On January 20 2015 20:47 Vivax wrote:
Here's the quote from HF where he scumreads marv

Show nested quote +

Why are they hilarious? Are you saying that oats didn't do exactly what he was doing in carol? Why is voting marv bad when he's done absolutely nothing and is probably mafia?


Will have to reevaluate later if KElsier is scum instead of HF cause right now he's trying to work against me a lot.

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 20:37 KelsierSC wrote:
also if you have dam as scum, why does it make HF scummy if dam sheeps him?


Cause HF gave marv a reason to to vote HTS (while HF was scumreading marv), while Dam immediately took the opportunity to sheep HF to get off of marv.

Vivax why do you keep repeating this when I've repeatedly told you it's untrue?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
January 20 2015 11:50 GMT
#366
I don't care, i'm taking a break, and I want the confirmed townies HTS,Vayne, Lian, Oats, SL, Coyote and Alakaslam (?) to sheep me on marv when they get back. Either marv or Damdred.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 11:51 GMT
#367
##Vote: Vivax
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 11:51 GMT
#368
You don't care that what you're pushing is a lie, because you're mafia.

Good job.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
January 20 2015 11:57 GMT
#369
So marv. I did a fuckton of analysis. I concluded on your interactions with HF and Damdred (and possibly Kelsier) that you 4 are the most likely scum constellation.

Now you vote me out of nowhere cause you're a cornered dog. Present us a full theory of who I'm scum with.
Stop just being defensive all the time.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 11:58 GMT
#370
How am I being defensive? You're pushing a lie. It's that simple.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 20 2015 12:01 GMT
#371
I'm still confused why you think hf is mafia.

if dam has sheeps hf why does that make him mafia.

Vivax I don't actually think hf was scum reading marv from that post, He was explaining to lian why people have their votes the way they are. He was vocal that dam's reasoning was fine.
Zerg for Life
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 16:02:25
January 20 2015 12:03 GMT
#372
Vote Count
Marvellosity (3): Vivax, Wile E. Coyote, sicklucker
Oatsmaster (3): Holyflare, Damdred, Half the Sky
KelsierSC (1): batsnacks
sicklucker (1): liancourt
Vivax (1): marvellosity
Half the Sky (0): marvellosity

Not voted (4): Alakaslam, VayneAuthority, Oatsmaster, KelsierSC
Currently, marvellosity is being pulled into the void.
The Void's pull is growing stronger. remains.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:04 GMT
#373
I'll break it down for everyone else. Here are things we know.

1. In Imperial, Vivax was wrong about literally everything apart from his scumread on me in later days. He pushed jat (towniest guy), he pushed sl (towniest guy), and Vivax was the only person to side with ritoky over Robik during the cop claim shenannies. In short, Vivax could not have been more wrong that game if he tried.

2. Even at the end, and this is important, Vivax had me as mafia in a team with Kelsier and LM. All his connections were wrong and incorrect.

3. What else can we note about Imperial? Go and take a browse through the first few pages of his filter. Does Vivax, at any point, push theories of multiple mafia together and confidently declare them mafia?. The answer is no. That's not how Vivax played that game, he came out the game pushing and prodding at people.

4. So why in this game, when in the previous game it was shown to him that all his connection theories were incorrect, and given he didn't start the game like this, why is he trying to put together the full team? That doesn't add up.

5. Why does Vivax repeatedly push me on my vote on HtS when it was clearly a mistake (as evidenced by my reaction at the time and subsequent explanations). Why does Vivax repeatedly ignore these clarifications? Why does he keep pushing me on this alone?

6. Vivax expects me to jump on HF for his scumread at me at that point, when it was clear that HF said it was because if I did nothing, I was going to be mafia. Later HF said he was undecided on me, because i'd posted some and I guess it looked ok.

Executive Summary
Vivax is pushing the idea that he can name the full scumteam, even though the previous game showed decisively that he cannot do this, and it's a mistake to try.
Vivax did not play Imperial like this, he came out in a different fashion.
Vivax is pushing a lie.

So Vivax is mafia. QED.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
January 20 2015 12:10 GMT
#374
On January 20 2015 20:24 marvellosity wrote:
Can people not read? I didn't sheep HF. I literally voted HTS because the post I responded to voting Half the Sky, I thought HTS had written, and it was incongruent with everything HTS had written before.

But obviously it was incongruent because Holyflare wrote it, not HTS. Hence my instant reaction and general amusement at my misread when I noticed my mistake.


Where the hell is the post from HF that made you vote HTS?I'm skimming his filter for 10 minutes and can't find it.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 20 2015 12:13 GMT
#375
You're the one that keeps bringing it up to push me, shouldn't you know?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Wile E. Coyote
Profile Joined January 2014
Mexico790 Posts
January 20 2015 12:16 GMT
#376
I think it is scandalous how marv is just sheeping Holyflare on HTS.
I am a smurf for TL Mafia! ¡Comé el roadrunner!
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 20 2015 12:17 GMT
#377
On January 20 2015 21:16 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I think it is scandalous how marv is just sheeping Holyflare on HTS.


lol
Zerg for Life
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
January 20 2015 12:19 GMT
#378
On January 20 2015 21:01 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm still confused why you think hf is mafia.

if dam has sheeps hf why does that make him mafia.

Vivax I don't actually think hf was scum reading marv from that post, He was explaining to lian why people have their votes the way they are. He was vocal that dam's reasoning was fine.


Cause then Dam found a reason, given from his scumbuddy, to get off of marv.


Vivax I don't actually think hf was scum reading marv from that post,


On January 20 2015 10:17 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 20 2015 10:07 Damdred wrote:
No answer why does it matter if thread knows how town marv would act


it matters because this logic makes no sense to me

"I am going to pressure this person so they can prove to me they are town"

"This is what the person has to do to convince me they are town"

........(that person i want to pressure is here, better not question them)

"oh they did that thing, well they have to be town then"

I don't know why you would write line 2 unless you wanted an excuse to town read marv in the first place.

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 10:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
anyway damdred's reason is bad because you cant start off by calling someone scum if he doesnt do literally anything.
Hes gotta do something to be called scum.

The read should be, if marv does "thisthisthis" then hes scum, not if marv doesnt do "thisthisthis" then hes scum.


this just isn't true at all, marv has been mafia and we know he's mafia in past games when he's just done absolutely nothing at all hence why posts like damdred's make sense

Wile E. Coyote
Profile Joined January 2014
Mexico790 Posts
January 20 2015 12:19 GMT
#379
On January 20 2015 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
5. Why does Vivax repeatedly push me on my vote on HtS when it was clearly a mistake (as evidenced by my reaction at the time and subsequent explanations). Why does Vivax repeatedly ignore these clarifications? Why does he keep pushing me on this alone?

I have a hard time seeing the mafia motivation to do this.
I am a smurf for TL Mafia! ¡Comé el roadrunner!
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 20 2015 12:20 GMT
#380
On January 20 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
I think it's fascinating how sicklucker jumps on the marvtrain right at the start.

And yet calls lian "super scummy" for his policy lynch attempt on him.

Interesting.


your not a policy lynch tho. Your a policy pressure. Theres a big difference in my mind.
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