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On January 26 2015 09:12 Superbia wrote:
Oats just seemed to fear monger. Did not interact with Onegu and his logic either. He just said "Palmar's trying hard so he's probably mafia, watch out!". Which may be relevant, but what's his thought process here? He does not come up with a plan on his own, nor does he try to figure out why Palmar's plan may be mafia favored. Is he trying to figure out palmar's alignment/rationale? Doesn't seem like it.
mderg made a comment to half-dispute Oats' question of Palmar's alignment, which I'm inclined to read null at the moment (just the comment). Comment didn't really add anything of worth, but it half-ass defended Palmar, who is sort of town. So whatever.
Dude that was a joke...........
I didnt contest because i dont think it would be that useful counterpicking you when i already made my stand clear.
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Policy lynch.
##vote Milkman
Im a probe btw.
Probes, dont claim what you picked for the moment.
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On January 26 2015 11:00 IAmRobik wrote:
Hi Oats
hi robik?
Will you join me in lynching liars?
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On January 26 2015 12:08 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 12:04 sicklucker wrote:On January 26 2015 11:53 Fecalfeast wrote:On January 26 2015 11:48 IAmRobik wrote:
FF, did you want to be mafia? I meant my powers, I would have preferred scum tbh but at least I get something more interesting than VT this game you are a vt... He said he is a VT, I have no idea how you assumed he really is VT. If he is a Townie Probe it is more interesting than a plain VT, but we know nothing about him.
what are you saying here?
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On January 25 2015 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 21:42 Palmar wrote:On January 25 2015 21:41 mderg wrote:On January 25 2015 21:38 Palmar wrote:On January 25 2015 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Meh, that plan leaves it way up to interpretation and scum could get lucky if multiple people pick the same thing so we got a ton of probes. tbh many probes is a lot better than too much kp. The way we lose this game is if town KPs the fuck out of itself and we can't tell apart dumbass cowboy townies who think they're shit and pick roles they shouldn't, and mafia who pretend to be what I just described. It's incredible how town you are. yeah it worries me too, I'm waiting for the "Palmar is trying too hard to be town"-brigade. Im scared that Palmar has put more effort into this game than the other ones he has played recently, he actually does want to win as scum more than town so this could be an indicator that hes scum, we better not let him control the game.
How the fuck is this not the most cliched and generic case ever?
its obviously a joke.
Did you even read the context?
Milkman, all I got is that FF is claiming probe.
I guess you are saying just cause FF is probe, it doesnt make him town?
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On January 26 2015 12:30 The Milkman wrote:
That's quite an overlap. Mafia as you might guess won't go for overlap, so in the groups of 4s, 5s and 7s there is at most 1 Mafia.
absolutely not fucking true, mafia overlap all the time.
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On January 26 2015 13:28 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 13:11 rsoultin wrote:On January 26 2015 09:12 Superbia wrote:
Like I feel there's at least 1 mafia in the top 4. The fact that oats did not contest my claim to 2,1 while he does not know my alignment does not sit well with me. I feel like mafia would be more scared than town to get a low position, since town is able to outnumber mafia in terms of PRs quite easily, and rolling probe as mafia is probably pretty shitty.
I feel like only mafia would do this when they have secured a top 4 spot, and just try to get a middle spot.
Furthermore, when Palmar coined his grand plan, Oats, mderg, and Onegu started questioning Palmar's plan. I'm inclined to read Palmar town for now, so I feel like mafia would step up and contest his plans in some way.
Of the three, Onegu followed it up with sound logic, which he started updating on the fly. He's my top town.
Oats just seemed to fear monger. Did not interact with Onegu and his logic either. He just said "Palmar's trying hard so he's probably mafia, watch out!". Which may be relevant, but what's his thought process here? He does not come up with a plan on his own, nor does he try to figure out why Palmar's plan may be mafia favored. Is he trying to figure out palmar's alignment/rationale? Doesn't seem like it.
mderg made a comment to half-dispute Oats' question of Palmar's alignment, which I'm inclined to read null at the moment (just the comment). Comment didn't really add anything of worth, but it half-ass defended Palmar, who is sort of town. So whatever. Mmm. Why four specifically, I guess is my first question regarding this. But the basic premise seems sound. I also saw nothing scummy from Onegu. Only reservation with Oats is he's not the easiest player for me to read, anyway. My other question is, while scum wanting top spots to secure the line-up seems likely, what part of Palmar's plan is likely to deny scum the more scum-alighned roles? There were several that town didn't plan to claim, or at least that's how I understand it, so I'm not sure that contesting the plan in general would be alignment indicative in that sense. Eh, we just had to be on par with Mafia, they had enough time to discuss important roles, picking order and such, so we needed to make an analysis as well (and make it known). Palmar originally did not understand Warp Prism, the best role for Mafia. We had to make sure we know where it is going in the draft, so we can check the person holding it or at least keep them on the spotlight. The numbers as I have said will tell us more and more as the game goes on. Already we see three groups of the same numbers which tells us there is at most 1 Mafia in each of them. I do not agree with Oats that Mafia coincide with their picks. That's just sub-par play. Having a number and a high place in the queue does not make you Mafia although having a number that one person or two (sic!) makes you less likely to be Mafia on the account that it is sub-optimal to go for the same number as Mafia.
sub-optimal or not, check every fucking pyp game before. Mafia always pick coinciding numbers. Always.
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On January 26 2015 13:41 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 13:36 The Milkman wrote:On January 26 2015 13:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On January 26 2015 13:28 The Milkman wrote:On January 26 2015 13:11 rsoultin wrote:On January 26 2015 09:12 Superbia wrote:
Like I feel there's at least 1 mafia in the top 4. The fact that oats did not contest my claim to 2,1 while he does not know my alignment does not sit well with me. I feel like mafia would be more scared than town to get a low position, since town is able to outnumber mafia in terms of PRs quite easily, and rolling probe as mafia is probably pretty shitty.
I feel like only mafia would do this when they have secured a top 4 spot, and just try to get a middle spot.
Furthermore, when Palmar coined his grand plan, Oats, mderg, and Onegu started questioning Palmar's plan. I'm inclined to read Palmar town for now, so I feel like mafia would step up and contest his plans in some way.
Of the three, Onegu followed it up with sound logic, which he started updating on the fly. He's my top town.
Oats just seemed to fear monger. Did not interact with Onegu and his logic either. He just said "Palmar's trying hard so he's probably mafia, watch out!". Which may be relevant, but what's his thought process here? He does not come up with a plan on his own, nor does he try to figure out why Palmar's plan may be mafia favored. Is he trying to figure out palmar's alignment/rationale? Doesn't seem like it.
mderg made a comment to half-dispute Oats' question of Palmar's alignment, which I'm inclined to read null at the moment (just the comment). Comment didn't really add anything of worth, but it half-ass defended Palmar, who is sort of town. So whatever. Mmm. Why four specifically, I guess is my first question regarding this. But the basic premise seems sound. I also saw nothing scummy from Onegu. Only reservation with Oats is he's not the easiest player for me to read, anyway. My other question is, while scum wanting top spots to secure the line-up seems likely, what part of Palmar's plan is likely to deny scum the more scum-alighned roles? There were several that town didn't plan to claim, or at least that's how I understand it, so I'm not sure that contesting the plan in general would be alignment indicative in that sense. Eh, we just had to be on par with Mafia, they had enough time to discuss important roles, picking order and such, so we needed to make an analysis as well (and make it known). Palmar originally did not understand Warp Prism, the best role for Mafia. We had to make sure we know where it is going in the draft, so we can check the person holding it or at least keep them on the spotlight. The numbers as I have said will tell us more and more as the game goes on. Already we see three groups of the same numbers which tells us there is at most 1 Mafia in each of them. I do not agree with Oats that Mafia coincide with their picks. That's just sub-par play. Having a number and a high place in the queue does not make you Mafia although having a number that one person or two (sic!) makes you less likely to be Mafia on the account that it is sub-optimal to go for the same number as Mafia. sub-optimal or not, check every fucking pyp game before. Mafia always pick coinciding numbers. Always. I must be an oldie then. Yeah, my memory sucks. Still I think it's better not to coincide, especially because this game has roles with sharp distinction of their usage pretty muich.
actually it doesnt really matter that much in a smaller game.
Regardless, you cant analyse alignment based on number picks.
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On January 26 2015 13:51 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 13:45 Oatsmaster wrote:On January 26 2015 13:41 The Milkman wrote:On January 26 2015 13:36 The Milkman wrote:On January 26 2015 13:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On January 26 2015 13:28 The Milkman wrote:On January 26 2015 13:11 rsoultin wrote:On January 26 2015 09:12 Superbia wrote:
Like I feel there's at least 1 mafia in the top 4. The fact that oats did not contest my claim to 2,1 while he does not know my alignment does not sit well with me. I feel like mafia would be more scared than town to get a low position, since town is able to outnumber mafia in terms of PRs quite easily, and rolling probe as mafia is probably pretty shitty.
I feel like only mafia would do this when they have secured a top 4 spot, and just try to get a middle spot.
Furthermore, when Palmar coined his grand plan, Oats, mderg, and Onegu started questioning Palmar's plan. I'm inclined to read Palmar town for now, so I feel like mafia would step up and contest his plans in some way.
Of the three, Onegu followed it up with sound logic, which he started updating on the fly. He's my top town.
Oats just seemed to fear monger. Did not interact with Onegu and his logic either. He just said "Palmar's trying hard so he's probably mafia, watch out!". Which may be relevant, but what's his thought process here? He does not come up with a plan on his own, nor does he try to figure out why Palmar's plan may be mafia favored. Is he trying to figure out palmar's alignment/rationale? Doesn't seem like it.
mderg made a comment to half-dispute Oats' question of Palmar's alignment, which I'm inclined to read null at the moment (just the comment). Comment didn't really add anything of worth, but it half-ass defended Palmar, who is sort of town. So whatever. Mmm. Why four specifically, I guess is my first question regarding this. But the basic premise seems sound. I also saw nothing scummy from Onegu. Only reservation with Oats is he's not the easiest player for me to read, anyway. My other question is, while scum wanting top spots to secure the line-up seems likely, what part of Palmar's plan is likely to deny scum the more scum-alighned roles? There were several that town didn't plan to claim, or at least that's how I understand it, so I'm not sure that contesting the plan in general would be alignment indicative in that sense. Eh, we just had to be on par with Mafia, they had enough time to discuss important roles, picking order and such, so we needed to make an analysis as well (and make it known). Palmar originally did not understand Warp Prism, the best role for Mafia. We had to make sure we know where it is going in the draft, so we can check the person holding it or at least keep them on the spotlight. The numbers as I have said will tell us more and more as the game goes on. Already we see three groups of the same numbers which tells us there is at most 1 Mafia in each of them. I do not agree with Oats that Mafia coincide with their picks. That's just sub-par play. Having a number and a high place in the queue does not make you Mafia although having a number that one person or two (sic!) makes you less likely to be Mafia on the account that it is sub-optimal to go for the same number as Mafia. sub-optimal or not, check every fucking pyp game before. Mafia always pick coinciding numbers. Always. I must be an oldie then. Yeah, my memory sucks. Still I think it's better not to coincide, especially because this game has roles with sharp distinction of their usage pretty muich. actually it doesnt really matter that much in a smaller game. Regardless, you cant analyse alignment based on number picks. But Mafia's first agenda in PYP is to create a number picking strategy. It is not a stretch to say they'll try to put one guy as high as they can and then aim for some kind of mediocrity. I don't understand why you wan't to delegitimize analysis of Draft, numbers and picks.
Whatever it is, it doesnt help us TODAY.
So lets stop talking about eh?
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On January 26 2015 13:54 The Milkman wrote:
Adding to that: Mafia in this game can get A LOT of additional KP. Basically, they can enforce Armageddon on N2 with good enough picks and given they're not carelessly caught on D1/D2. So them getting good picks and then getting powerful roles is just freaking terrible.
But because of Palmar's plan, nobody was supposed to take any of the kp roles.
So it didnt matter how high they were.
Who is scum now?
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Yeah thats why i didnt say we should claim the probe stuff.
Theres not enough info to do shit rolewise, so back to normal mafia.
Whos scum milk?
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On January 26 2015 14:20 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah thats why i didnt say we should claim the probe stuff.
Theres not enough info to do shit rolewise, so back to normal mafia.
Whos scum milk? I don't like Obi, too much going on with his plans and he did not yet say if he conformed to Palmar's plan. Robik got only 'active' after role picking was close, the disinterest in planning phase is worrying at best. Marvellosity seems disinterested and did not really contest Palmar, which is weird. At one point he is like "directing roles, revealing numbers is very good for town" and then he goes to hide his number. I expect that things will be more lively tomorrow, everybody seems to be enjoying their weekend or something.
So why is Palmar calling obi scum?
Is robik the only one disinterested in the planning phase?
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I said that but with less words.
AM I TOWN PALMAR??!?
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On January 26 2015 18:09 The Milkman wrote:
I was the one putting the plan forward Palmar, I was first. I was talking about the roles. I was saying which ones should be picked or not. I landed on 9th, I said to myself that I won't probably get a strong town role and I might as well pick something that is hard to kill during the night and if not (this is something that you omit! 2 armor and massive give great night survivability, for which Mafia does not need to care!) , I gain important information that in the eight of people above me this role sits.
I'll say that again: I was first to acknowledge that Carrier is Mafia role, I was first to acknowledge that Warp Prism is the most Mafia role. I don't care about what read people had on me before the pick. I could've not claimed and I would not be lynched. Why would I claim then? I knew what I was undertaking. I honestly thought Carrier would be gone. I just wanted to know where it landed approximately, of course.
I won't send interceptors. Moment somebody claims you lynch me, confirm me as Town and lynch the liar. It doesn't take a big brain to know that I should send them as fast as possible! But what if I am part of Mafia and I claimed Carrier, but some other guy actually has it? Well, nobody said that they gunned for Carrier in higher positions and I am full of shit, so I guess Carrier was not much of an importance to the Mafia team and supposing Onegu is Town, HT was neither. I honestly have no idea how these two roles might have landed in Town hands, especially at the spots I and Onegu are.
Palmar, did you go for WP as planned?
Obi, did you go for Colossus as planned?
why do you think someone would pick carrier when they would get lynched when they claim eventually?
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also cpr doc is way different from your pick milkman.
Yeah storm Milkman, im willing to roll the dice
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On January 26 2015 20:47 Palmar wrote:
Oats why do you sound so much like mafia?
@Oats, do you think it's reasonable to assume marv is mafia?
i sound nothing like mafia.
Nah its not reasonable.
Mafia marv plays the game.
this marv apparently doesnt.
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Why not milk? The role is for scum.
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On January 26 2015 21:35 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 21:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why not milk? The role is for scum.
Because it is AMAZING for Scum and for some reason I was the first to pick it on 9. It is just bogus for me. Sure, they could go for a Stalker and a Zealot, easier picks, try to nab Immortal so they can defend themselves and such, but KP armageddon is just the way to go, especially considering that Town KP will be flowing like one tough motherfucker.
So far, you have failed to give any reasons why scum didnt pick it.
It sounds a lot like you went for it because Palmar and your plan pretty much ensured no town would pick it.
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On January 26 2015 21:46 mderg wrote:
As far as claimed roles go we have Palmar - Warp Prism, Onegu - HT, Milkman - Carrier?
I'm pretty sure Palmar is town because he put in lots of effort and made a good plan.
Onegu I'm not quite as sure about. He participated in making the plan and went along with it. But it didn't seem like he wanted do bring in much of his own ideas. Leaning town ,though.
Milkman I can't see picking Carrier as scum. With that claim he will most likely get checked or killed before a Carrier can really do much.
Also, if marv doesn't shit town rainbows today, we should kill him.
Whats the point of this post?
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