It's amazing that I have to be the one that tries to come up with a strategy. You all suck and mafia will 100% win this game.

I'm reading the roles and here is what I have so far.

Mothership can be picked by town. As the mothership is not a high priority target for mafia to hit, the PGO part is fairly useless. The doc part on the other hand is strong. This means that anyone who picks mothership and doesn't claim day 1 is always going to be mafia.

zealot/stalker is essentially the same role. I think it's a bad role for town, but I think the zealot may be less bad because of transparency.

Dark templar pick = mafia. We're policy lynching/shooting anyone who at any point claims the Dark Templar. Seriously, picking probe is better for town than that mf.

High templar pick = mafia. Way too much random uncontrolled KP in a setup that can literally end on day 2 or something dumb because town shoots each other.

Sentry is just a roleblocker. I don't think we should allow this role to be picked.

Archon is a great pick for both factions. I might pick it, or we might try to find someone really townie to pick it for us in the top player list. Please start being townie guys.

Observer is quite strong, although I think his delayed check is just pointless. Another role I might pick. Observer is probably going in the top 3-ish, so whoever is mothership should absolutely claim and then protect the obs.

I like the immortal. Strong role that has potential to protect other players from KP.

Colossus is probably a good vigi role. This is a role that needs to be 100% controlled by town. We have to make the colossus shoot whoever we want it to shoot. Basically because I don't think the colossus can be roleblocked, he should claim day 1 or night 1 and announce his targets and allow town to discuss them. Basically lynches are generally better for town than vigi shots, so if you allow other people input into where in the player list you shoot, the chance of success increases. I might actually just pick this role so we know where it is.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 25 2015 10:28 GMT

#229

oh phoenix is another cop. We need to get that one in good hands, and the oracle is one too, although the oracle is the most mafia favored one (only one check which is easy to "fake" and they get a shot).

Void ray is just yet another vigi it seems like. It's good for town as it doesn't allow shots until n2.

Tempest is a good bait target. ie we should pick it and claim it. He's sorta hard to kill and gives the observer and phoenix a free night of checks it seems?

Carrier = mafia role. Multi-shot vigi that can be set up to go off? The shots are set up before information is available? It's a terrible role for town just like DT. Picking it = scumclaim.

Tempest = doc that's hard to kill. This is the doc that doesn't have to day 1 claim (the core should always day 1 claim because of the PGO part that can be activated).

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 25 2015 10:29 GMT

#230

I don't understand the warp prism so I just ignored it.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 25 2015 10:32 GMT

#231

The OP specifies that attacks on warping targets have a 60% chance to hit. Does the same hold true for doc saves, checks and roleblocks?

Nevertheless I think anyone doing an unauthorized warp-in should be considered mafia.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 25 2015 10:34 GMT

#232

I wish I had like 2 town reads to act as "checkers"

Basically it's a good idea to force people to pick something, and then have a check on some of the mafia roles. So if we make a townread in slot maybe.. 8? pick DT or Carrier or HT or any other clear mafia role, they can then immediately claim as the day starts and tell us if they got the role, or if they became probes which means someone in front of them is mafia.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 25 2015 10:35 GMT

#233

It's good talking to you guys.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 25 2015 10:39 GMT

#234

Okay so to make it more clear:

Good town roles:

Core (only with a day 1 claim)
Archon
Obs
Immortal
Colossus
Phoenix
Void Ray
Tempest (only with a day 1 claim)
Mothership

That's 9 roles and there are 13 players. I'm trying to figure out if we should really allow any other roles. Warp prism messes with the colossus shot, the zealot and stalker are both massive wildcards (mafia taking them can both shoot people, and mess with checks/town kp) Carrier/DT/HT are clear mafia roles.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 25 2015 10:40 GMT

#235

oh I forgot the oracle.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 25 2015 10:46 GMT

#236

The day 1 strategy SHOULD be this:

Core and Tempest claim.

We then proceed to day 1 scumhunting and lynching as normal.

During the night the following should happen:

Colossus shoots 2 people with the help of town. Void ray charges his lazer. Archon, immortal, and the motherships do whatever they please.

Obs
tempest (has claimed)
oracle
phoenix

All make checks. Hell, we could even claim all these 4 roles because it will take mafia a long time to kill off all the check roles (that's assuming they're all controlled by town of course

)

Actually yes, we force all the checking roles to claim this means that by day 2 we have the following info:

3 checks (assuming mafia kills one, and doesn't get owned by the mothership docs)
1 lynch
2 people killed by town
1 people killed by mafia

+ whatever shenanigans the mafia pulls.

This is clearly a MUCH better strategy than "everyone does his own thing".

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 25 2015 10:52 GMT

#237

I just read Milkman's role analysis, seems we sorta disagree on some things.

In other news, I have a townread now, it's Obi.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

January 25 2015 10:53 GMT

#238

sorta weak but him insisting he should pick the DT and immediately claim it, along with the reasons he gave for doing so (I'm easy to read!!!) feel sort of town.

It just seems not very mafia like to immediately saying "hey look, imma do something controversial, and something that means people will look extra hard at me, to help town".

mderg

Germany1740 Posts

January 25 2015 11:08 GMT

#239

Town definitely wants Tempest, Mothership, Immortal. We should also not let anyone pick ht, dt or Warp Prism. Alignment check roles should be good for town in general. Everything else is on some middle ground. So my take on roles is pretty similar to Palmar's.

I think we shouldn't take too much kp. That only brings chaos and makes the game shorter which means less time to make good reads.

Onegu

United States9699 Posts

January 25 2015 11:16 GMT

#240

I made my pick my only concern is if marv is town he would pick it. It's something not on your list palmar.